Hey so my sister and I got into an argument about feminism. Which in the end, I admitted I didn't know that much about.
Any good starter feminist literature that's a staple in /lit/? Thanks.
>>7989943
gender trouble is ok but it relies heavily on foucault
>>7989945
Thanks, checking it out
are you talking books with feminist themes or books on feminist theory?
>>7989943
>girlsinventedpunkrocknotkurtcobain
Huh?
>>7989943
>>7989943
this is what you must know
>>7989967
what are contraceptives for men apart from condoms? obviously contraception is a lot more important for women
>>7989963
WE WUZ
>>7989980
PUNKZ
>>7989978
Not when you take into account the fact that a man will pay to raise the child if the woman so much as hints that it's his.
feminism is cancer
>>7989987
>>/b/
Grown ups are talking now :).
>>7989987
All identity politics is cancer.
>>7989983
Punk comes from the Spanish for where, so I feel you're working against yourself here
>>7989986
what does that have to do with contraception? if you don't use protection, it likely IS yours. cant you just get a dna test?
>>7989992
SHIIIIET
>>7989989
>anyone i don't like is a /b/tard
please, reinforce the fact that feminism is cancer more
>>7989999
>a guy saying meanie words to me online is the reason why a movement is bad
You're as triggered as the legbeards
>>7990001
there are plenty of reasons it's a shit movement
>maybe if i say legbeards it'll hide my samefagging
>>7989997
Not if you're french.
>>7990006
I can guarantee that you hate feminism because of what you've seen online but you've never actually interacted with a female other then family.
Lol, so sad
>>7990006
>being this buttblasted
>>7990015
i am female, anon. try to avoid the "anti-feminists are just loser neckbeards" arguement in the future
and yes, i've seen many self-proclaimed feminists irl through school and old friends. it is absolute cancer
>>7989978
From a moral standpoint it's a responsibility of equal scale
>>7990040
Hhahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaa
>>7989943
Read about intersectionality. Know your enemy.
literally all of feminism's 'achievements' could be undone overnight if men willed it
the history of feminism may as well be the history of men giving women shit so they'd shut the fuck up
>>7990056
sorry for the callousness of this post lads I just broke up with my (ex)gf and she sent me a nasty message today
>>7990056
gb2b
Thanks.
Read Stirner and Nietzsche.
>>7990070
Yeah, give him more outdated, bias male trite. Typical /lit/.
>>7990072
lmao shut up landwhale
>>7990072
You think feminism isn't outdated male trite? It's repackaged protestantism, which is repackaged catholicism, which was repackaged neoplatonism to begin with. Women are completely irrelevant to the development of feminist ideas.
>>7990072
Trite is an adjective, my dude.
>>7990075
Lol.
>>7990075
might deploy this one irl
>>7990087
Enjoy not being able to back it up with any real evidence when they ask you to go further in depth.
>>7990072
>bias male trite
FYI: "bias" is a noun, and "trite" is an adjective. A certain minimal level of literacy is expected on /lit/, and your post did not pass muster.
>>7990094
>pass muster
Pa's mustard you damn squid
>>7990093
the damage will have already been done
>>7989943
>girls invented punk rock not kurt cobain
Is this a joke? Is she being ironic?
>>7990056
>literally all of feminism's 'achievements' could be undone overnight if men willed it
women do not take risks, nor make effort, since they get men to take risks for and make effort them.
and men are happy to take risks, to make effort for women (men think that they are valuable, if they manage to win something, once they are in a situation that they believe is risky or requires effort).
in fact, men even feel sad and depressed when they do not get noticed by women.
Kollontai (pic related) was responsible for the institution of the International Working Women's Day and the only female leader after the Soviet Revolution.
"Kollontai believed that, like the state, the family unit would wither away once the second stage of communism became a reality. She viewed marriage and traditional families as legacies of the oppressive, property-rights-based, egoist past. Under Communism, both men and women would work for, and be supported by, society, not their families. Similarly, their children would be wards of, and reared basically by society."
That's a feminist, the rest is garbage
sxa
>>7990072
It was unknown to me that wales of the land dwelt here.
>>7989991
All forms of politics and all ideologiea are cancer.
>>7990101
Kek'd, fair enough you won it for me.
>>7990101
Yeah whoever you're talking to will have realized that you're retarded enough to parrot shit you read on 4chan to people in real life. Generally speaking, any information you see on 4chan is bad advice. Well informed people with reasonable perspectives do not post here.
>>7990125
>identifies as Black
What they're saying is if you're a mixed race person but you see yourself as Black check that box. It isn't for transracial otherkin or whatever you saw on reddit
who /#redpillarmy/ here
>>7989967
>>7989977
>it's a bourgeoisie egalitarian cucks try to argue against feminism episode
>>7989943
idk man just ask if her why aren't women fighting to become plumbers and grass cutters. instead of the comfy jobs that everybody else including men can't get
equal pay shit is misleading. All the girls at my college make way more money then me part-time because they can get jobs being a babysitter or a secretary. I'm stuck working retail and sometimes construction to help myself.
but idk I feel like feminist is just some phase that's dying out by 2017 nobody will care again
>>7990178
>Why isn't your sex fighting to become plumbers?
>What?
That would be a productive convo, thanks for the rec
Frances Swiney was pretty redpilled check out some of her work
>Frances Swiney, a prominent Edwardian suffragist and Theosophist, used both scientific/eugenic ideas and spiritualism to argue that women represented a higher stage of evolutionary development than men and that women therefore should assume positions of greater prominence in British society. Although eugenics lent scientific authority to feminism, its emphasis on physical reproduction also meant that women were increasingly defined in terms of their childbearing potential and that anything which interfered with motherhood, such as careers, was a threat to civilization. Swiney proved instrumental in circumventing the eugenic dilemma and its seeming biological imperative by redefining eugenics as a moral and spiritual enterprise in which women could modify evolution through force of will. In particular, Swiney drew upon Theosophical spiritualism to argue that human evolution would reach its highest phase in the feminization of the species. Frances Swiney's work helps complexify the Victorian women's movement and remains important to that feminist paradigm which has sought to define women in terms other than biological.
"The bar of Isis : or the law of the mother" is on archive.org:
https://archive.org/details/barofisisorlawof00swin
>>7990121
and that in itself is collectivist garbage
>>7989991
this desu
>>7989943
Do you know about how good transgendering your dick off is? you can't disagree with it until you read about the facts first and let all transgenders have your money.
>>7990178
Why would somebody fight to do something shit? Also it is illegal to discriminate against men as well as women for jobs.
Oh and finally, please do tell me about how you so badly want to be secretary.
>>7989943
what is the picture even supposed to mean?
also who the fuck thinks kurt cobain "invented punk rock"?
>>7989945
this man is correct.
>>7989943
if you really want to then start with simone de beauvoir.
though to be honest i'd much rather read someone less feminist and more interesting like margaret mead.
>>7989967
BOY I SURE WISH I COULD GET A FREE ABORTION
oh wait, i can't have babies.. i'm a man
>openly discriminated sexually by famous airlines for sitting enxt to a minor in unfounded fear of sexual assault
what the FUCK does this even mean
fucking MRAs these days, man
>>7990387
It's pretty clear in what it's saying.
>>7990040
>i am female, anon
yeah.. right
>>7990400
shut up virgin
>>7990133
how much of a sour beta loser do you actually have to be to identify with this image?
>>7990178
>All the girls at my college make way more money then me part-time because they can get jobs being a babysitter or a secretary.
just kill yourself you shitstain
>guys can't be babysitters or secretaries
how many applications did you send out? be honest
>>7990406
>mfw not a feminist
>mfw definitely not a virgin
>>7989943
>I admitted I didn't know that much about.
It's ok she probably doesn't either.
feminists fucked up Star Wars, Mad Max and True Detective
they should be in forced labor camps
>>7990438
>watching TV and movies
What did you expect?
>>7989943
This isn't a great place to ask, most people have are either explicitly sexist, or unconsciously biased.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_philosophy
Start with the majors thinkers, read their works or their bios and build on it from there.
>>7990456
This gives a basic overview, if an idea of thinker interests you, pursue it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_theory
>>7989967
Oh boo hoo hoo. Only women get free contraceptives. How will men ever benefit from that? Besides, you can usually pick up free condoms from somewhere in a hospital.
The rest seems to be complaining that men can't force women to have abortions. Jesus Christ.
>All these posts conflating feminism and post-structural theory.
>>7989943
feminism is just women complaining online
it's like their version of /r9k/
>>7990166
Why should I listen to you then?
>>7989943
Feminism would be laughably absurd farce if it wasn't taken seriously. As it is, it's just terrifying.
It's 100% projection. For example, the woman in this image is acting "entitled" to participate in a technical subculture when her idiot gender contributed approximately nothing to it, and she's demanding this completely male subculture invented and sustained by males cater to her, while calling them "entitled" for enjoying the fruits of their efforts.
Liberals tend to assume that life imitates art/ideology, which is the reverse of science and sanity. Things are associated with males because males do them and have always done them, not the reverse.
>>7990438
>expecting something out of the new star wars movie
>"mad" "max"
>actually watching television
why the fuck do i have to share a board with lowlifes like this?
>>7990583
I am a virgin NEET ascetic currently at stage IV of the Norwood Scale and an addict to hardcore pornography for the best part of ten years, and what I've noticed in my reading of hundreds of blog posts, reddit comments and message board discussions between women or at least frequented by women is that "slutty" women, aka women who are perceived to be very sexual and whose characters are associated with sex and eroticism tend to be relatively predictable and unadventurous in terms of open-mindedness when it comes to having sex and personal preferences associated with the act itself, largely, in my opinion, because their characters and perspectives are overwhelmingly the result of a culture which promotes the sexual experience while continuing to shame and ostrichsize those who may be perceived as "weird" or "obsessed" about something that is not conspicuously advertised as something one is allowed to be obsessed with, while those girls considered "shy" or "studious" etc tend to be extremely perverted, in terms of their appreciation of unconventional sexual acts, I mean I myself have viewed hundreds of amateur of videos wherein the female protagonists resembled the kind of girls that I mistakenly perhaps in retrospect identified as naive, innocent, childlike in their desire merely for romantic affection and so on during my four years in college (during which time I attracted but failed to ask out a single one of these girls, for reasons my psychologist and I have spent the past 1.5 years attempting to work out) but who were actually likely to be the exact kind of girls who enjoyed things like golden showers, analingus (given), "rape-play", daddy roleplay, choking, spitting, hitting, spanking and roleplay in which she was the "unwitting" victim and / or captor of a malevolent, aggressive, callous male using her body for to appease his sadistic ambitions.
>>7989943
watch dumb little youtube videos.
Bearing, Shoe0nhead, Armored Skeptic, etc. They lay it out pretty clearly. Feminism is not worth reading about.
>>7990645
good for you stale pasta man, good for you..
>>7989967
Fuck off back to /pol/ with your shitty infographics.
Then kill yourself.
>>7989991
> hurr durr people talking about categories of which I am not a member is bad
>>7990133
>>7990409
Half of them aren't even fucking true. For all their talk of how feminists are logical, most MRAs can't even begin to evaluate a claim critically. Some of this shit is blatantly self-contradictory
> It's expected that women don't play sports or go to the gym
> All you have to do is be good looking
To be honest, that list doesn't read like it was a written by a mere anti-feminist. The author seems to be a full-blown woman hater. Pathetic.
>>7990684
he's right though, divisive shit like that is diverting a lot of resources away from poverty alleviation and space travel
>>7990120
ITT: litizens attempt psychology.
>>7990463
>men can't force women to have abortions
It's actually saying that women can force men to provide children, while being able to choose whether or not to provide or care for children themselves. In the interest of equality, men should be allowed, within the amount of time a woman has to get an abortion, to decide whether or not they want to support the unborn child. This way the woman can choose whether or not to get an abortion based on the support of the father and/or her own financial situation, not with the support of the father as a given.
(•╬•) nobody cared who i was until i put on the mask
>>7989967
pls kill self
White People Lack Empathy
>>7990645
Agreed. Which is sad
This thread is proof that feminism is a pretty bad time for everybody involved.
Can't we all just be in support for true equality?
>>7990895
This is true: as a white, cis male, I can vouch that I am often invited to the high-class "white only" clubs where other white, cis males such as myself discuss new ways to oppress people who aren't us. I just got off the cellular phone to Donald Trump and he told me that I did a good job for being white and I told him thank you, Lord.
It is true, us Caucasians don't really care about anything but ourselves which is why we are unable to mentally conceive critical thoughts and opinions.
Sorry, I must totter off, the white country club are intending to resurrect Ayn Rand and discuss how higher education can get even more thoroughly fucked over. It's good to be white.
>>7990125
Do Portuguese and Romanians get affirmative action now? And jews and protestants?
>>7989943
>When you go into urban outfitters to kill time
but that has never happened to me and hopefully never will
>>7990125
>Jewish orphan studying aeronautical engineering
>>7990704
Then do it. If you really want to figuratively wipe the arse of someone who makes ten times your pay instead of just sitting around in a building, go ahead.
>>7989943
Jesus Harold Christ. Feminists think store displays are "misogynistic" now? Why the FUCK do you think it's a good idea to read up on this? Please tell me you see how absolutely pants-on-head-diaper-shittingly retarded that is.
>>7990166
>Yeah whoever you're talking to will have realized that you're retarded enough to parrot shit you read on 4chan to people in real life.
Doesn't really matter. All you have to do is spout memes and people will eventually believe them. See /pol/ for reference
>>7990999
No she thinks it's sexistic.
>>7990895
and you're a racist and a bigot for saying that
>>7990704
Even the highest earning secretaries don't earn that much. Even if you have a great and understanding boss it's still a shit job overall with little opportunity for advancement.
I'm not even remotely glorifying being a security guard but I've been one and it's a pretty comfy job. I did three fucking things at the job. Sit around writing/reading/shitposting on my phone, give people directions and answer questions, and occasionally walk around to inspect stuff.
I got all the fucking free shit I wanted from the concession stand nearby as well.
Only thing I didn't like about that job was the pay.
>>7990999
its a cherry picked image by someone who spends hours searching the web for things to get mad over
>>7990387
Doesn't think board read? That's basic fucking english
>>7990463
Are you dyslexic? As it stands, women can get abortions without consent of the father
>>7989992
Punk
Donde
>what
>>7990056
Hey, if it works, it works.
>>7990133
>women have it so easy!
>men have it so hard!
This just isn't fucking true. And if MRAs want to be taken seriously, they need to make their argument a hell of a lot less reductive and self-centered.
>>7990463
Why would you not want a male birth control pill, I mean, so long as they put enough research into it so it doesn't turn you into a bitch-titted fat ass with liver problems? Also >>7990802 this
I wouldn't advocate for that position except for the fact that some states are completely in the wrong in giving women all of the decision holding power. I don't think it would ever come into play as a decision for myself, but from a legal standpoint it is hypocritical and flat out wrong to not make it equal.
>>7991811
>that's a bad thing
![Feminist1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Oc3LGeT.jpg "Feminist1[1].jpg")
>>7989943
"The Political Economy of Women's Liberation" by Margaret Benston is a short essay that outlines the basis of Marxist/Materialist feminism pretty well.
I don't think you'll find anything that explains all of feminism, because even the feminists themselves can't decide on what they believe in. There are like 50+ different strands of feminism, and most of them seem to hate each other.
>>7993349
Here's a link because I know you people are lazy so you wouldn't look it up otherwise:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:m_DQAhnrbbYJ:cws.journals.yorku.ca/index.php/cws/article/download/10447/9536+&cd=2&hl=sv&ct=clnk&gl=se
>>7990994
a secretary is a butler outside of the house. it is comfy
>>7989943
KEK
>>7990015
Having interacted with feminazis I can assure you third wave feminism is not feminism and opposes what the first two waves stood for. Fuck that shit.
>>7989943
AV is Lisa Simpson bitching about meaningless lib shit
is this a joke it's too on the nose to be real
>>7990929
>Can't we all just be in support for true equality?
Yes but don't get mad when the top is jews and WASP's and black at the bottom
>>7989943
Bitch doesnt understand basic product placement by target audience. If audio gadgets is majorly purchased by men, then it SHOULD FUCKING BE PLACED AT THE MEN SECTION. Do they expect the store to build "gender neutral counter" with a possibility of losing revenue? Fuck no. Could be said the other way around too, if a men want to buy groming stuff such as nail clippers and such, where is it placed? Most likely the women section, why ? Because its MOSTLY used by women and so would be more strategic to place in that section. Bitch needs to learn marketing and pragmatism
Bitch doesnt understand basic product placement by target audience. If audio gadgets is majorly purchased by men, then it SHOULD FUCKING BE PLACED AT THE MEN SECTION. Do they expect the store to build "gender neutral counter" with a possibility of losing revenue? Fuck no. Could be said the other way around too, if a men want to buy groming stuff such as nail clippers and such, where is it placed? Most likely the women section, why ? Because its MOSTLY used by women and so would be more strategic to place in that section. Bitch needs to learn marketing and pragmatism
>>7989967
pretty much none of that is true
>>7994259
but anon trying to make money is capitalism and thet is bad becuse my gender queer interpretive dance prof told me
>>7994319
Well those landwhales better grow up because at the end of the day, no matter how much crowd you have behind your ideas, its going to get stumped if opposed to money
>>7990175
Not an argument. Go roleplay Che somewhere else
>>7990670
Little lefty babby triggered
>>7990065
nice false flag
>>7990168
What?
>>7990168
So if I have a 1 percent semitic blood it makes sense for me to identify as an arab?
>>7990191
>a woman thinks she is better than man
Alert the presses
