What is some good anti-feminist literature?
>>7986475
mein kampf
>>7986475
Anything pre-19th century?
The Manipulated Man Paperback by Esther Vilar
>>7986475
Re: rightwing/conservative lit charts
See sticky
Gtfo
I found The Human Stain by Phillip Roth to be fairly anti-feminist. Anything by Houellebecq is very anti-feminist too, but he's essentially just bait for left-wingers so he doesn't really count.
Also, not literature, but The Blank Slate by Steven Pinker is a book about human nature, and has lots of criticism of feminists and their belief that there is no such thing as innate gender.
Introduction to Logic
>>7986547
>innate gender
kekorino
>>7986475
My Twisted World
>>7986475
The Holy Word of Allah, as transmitted from the Angel Gabriel to Mohammed (PBUH) the Holiest of books, the Qu'ran.
>>7986475
The Koran
>>7986584
0:^)}
>>7986584
They may be Islamaphobes, but they aren't wrong. Few religions aren't misogynist, most especially the Abrahamic. At any rate Islam doesn't promote any form of feminism, so troll/10
>>7986584
>anti-feminist means you hate women
Nice try, feminist scum.
Houellebecq.
Aristophanes' Women in Power
>>7986475
Textbooks on Logic, Biology and Statistics
>>7986612
> a bloo bloo bloo, I'm a cultureless anglo monoglot, let me tell you about the world!
The Way of Men
why would u want to learn about such things, misogynist pig
It's not about feminism specifically but there's a good deal of literature attacking trends in the humanities. Harold Bloom and that one Atlantic article are both worth reading.
There's not much criticizing SJWs outside of alt-right edgemasters (ie. >>7986636), mostly because they have no influence outside of social media and college campuses.
>>7986475
>good
>anti-feminist literature
There's some works targeting bourgeois "feminism" (which actually is against the interests of actual feminism), which is likely to be the same thing you think is feminism and hate, without realizing that you share your opinion with feminists, and that feminism is also against the social structures which made you, as a man, suffer in such a way that you develope an unhealthy and misinformed view on lefist theory the first place.
>>7986652
this
all the anti-feminist lit that comes to mind is like black feminist love politics from the 70s, or bell hooks, or some of the really whacky queer stuff like Preciado's Testo Junkie which seems feminist at first but gets all into hyper accelerations of masculinity to destroy capitalism
>>7986654
Mein Kamph.
>>7986584
I want you to leave.
>>7986654
> all the authors are white
no thanks
>>7986704
Angela Davis is black, Öcalan is is a Kurd.
>>7986654
you're telling me Beauvoir does not ignore the realities of class inequality and capitalism?
brekekekekek
>>7986654
there are other /leftypol/ charts?
>>7986654
>all these books were written decades ago
Woah big surprise
>>7986654
>ywn never fight for democratic-confderalism with the YPG
>ywn settle down with your qt kurd comrade
This
>>7986715
Yeah, essential literature on a subject tends to be older works.
>>7986709
Davis is black, but Kurds are not.
So basically you threw in THAT ONE BLACK CHICK into your pic so you'd look "totally not racist - I love having just one black friend!"
There's way more to Feminism that what this chart posts. It needs a lot of improvement.
>>7986612
> probably is a Kurdaboo
> hurr durr Islam goes against feminism!
Kurds view themselves as Muslim. You do not?
>>7986727
Yes I agree. I'm not the person who made the chart either. Kurds are not white though, as whiteness isn't defined by skin tone, but is a political category.
>>7986551
underrated
>>7986731
Tell us more about the Kurds, anon.
Nothing else lit related going on ITT
>>7986475
Feminism=Nazism=Communism=Racism=Capitalism=Socialism=Atheism=Autism
ISMS are bad, they divide people and create SCHISMS, what the Earth needs is more LOVE and less ISMS
>>7986731
>If you don't like an opressive religion, you are not allowed to sympathise with the struggle of a group, which members happen to have been socialized into said religion.
wheew, lad
>>7986747
underrated shitpost
>>7986748
Don't be an orientalist pig.
She literally said Islam doesn't ever generate feminism. Kurds are Muslim and apparently feminist.
Sympathize with whomever you wish, but don't deny that Kurds are Muslim just because it contradicts your worldview.
>>7986758
Being socialized in a muslim community doesn't make you a walking islam-machine.
Also you don't sympathize with Kurds for that dumb reason you named.
>>7986731
Progressive Muslims tho.
>>7986758
To begin with, the term "feminist" is often a loosely defined one.
Kurdish women still wear head coverings, still get treated as second class citizens in all the usual ways. Their branch of Islam isn't the same as the others but the religion is still oppressive.
>>7986715
Yeah, I said the same thing when I saw /lit/s recommended starter kit.
This
Within the book she explains how females (not males) induce a psycho systematic socialism upon girls at an Impressionably young age. And how women are hardwired to be more timid therefore, replacing a young girls happiness and potential with order and affability gives her the ability to become a special snowflake.
>>7986818
>Kurdish women still wear head coverings, still get treated as second class citizens in all the usual ways. Their branch of Islam isn't the same as the others but the religion is still oppressive.
Men have restrictions as well. What's your point? Are restrictions inherently wrong? Do we need the same restrictions for everyone? Was this mandated by your deity or is it a conclusion you have come to based on your culture?
>>7986843
:'(
>she explains how females (not males) induce a psycho systematic socialism upon girls at an Impressionably young age.
You think this fits OPs bill for anti-feminist? This is how the patriarchal system perpetuates. Enlisting the captives to be the guards, so to speak.
Wollstonecraft's book was an attack on middle class women's behaviourisms
>>7986717
I know that feel - I know people who went there to be foreign fighters, I kind of want to go but I know I'd be unprepared, almost certainly cowardly under fire and completely useless. Gotta work on that.
What the hell is going on in this thread? Is this tumblr or some shit?
>>7986858
'feminism' is ultimately another construct created by Western liberal imperialists, who want to fashion all the women of the world into interexchangeable 'strong, independent' consumer units.
>>7986747
How's High School going so far?
>>7986843
>psycho systematic workers-owning-the-means-of-productionism
>>7986858
>Are restrictions inherently wrong?
I would say mostly so, but especially those dictated by our ancestors through bogus "sacred texts"
>>7986847
Pretending to be tumblr is a long standing /lit/ tradition.
>>7986864
If you know a trade you can go there and help them build infrastructure.
>>7986879
>pretending
is that what you tell yourself
>>7986893
Yeah, I guess you're right.
I mean, who'd lie on the internet?
>>7986887
I study Philosophy - in short, I'm completely useless. Laugh all you like, you wouldn't be wrong. Now that you're talking about it, picking up a trade wouldn't be a bad idea at all.
>>7986483
This. It's a small paperback but it's fucking brutal.
>>7986731
>Kurds are Muslim
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidis
>>7986547
>not literature
>but The Blank Slate by Steven Pinker
ass
>>7986495
Fuck off cunt
Anything by Warren Farrell
>>>7986843 (You)
>>psycho systematic workers-owning-the-means-of-productionism
> workers-owning-the-means-of-productionism
What is the primary means of new sentient life for humans.
A] Women
B] Women
C] Women
D] Women
>>7986944
Yazidis and Kurds are two different groups. Yazidis are neither Muslim nor Christian.
Kurds are Sunni Muslim.
>>7987027
>I'm implying that feminism's core texts are outdated
For you.
>Sexism in the first world
So mission accomplished. We can stop feminism now. Makes perfect sense. Not.
Your post is a meme. Just stop talking about what you don't understand
>>7986475
/pol/ plz go
>>7986861
>Wollstonecraft's book was an attack on middle class women's behaviorisms
Are you sure you want to say that?
She spends a lot of the book talking about a utopia that women could great if they just harnessed their special feminine powers properly. She firmly believes in men and women have their own roles and should not really overlap.
So what book is an attack on Wollstonecraft's middle-class woman behaviorisms?
>>7987027
>I'm implying that feminism's core texts are outdated
i don't think you've read them
>>7987069
Xe is right though.
Feminism has moved way beyond these dated works.
>>7987084
explain how the arguments made in the second sex aren't valid today.
>>7986909
>I study Philosophy
Perfecto
>>7986475
>please tell me some books that I can quote, so I'll sound intelligent next time I'm on /r9k/ saying women are all dumb whores
CANCER PLS GO
It's interesting everyone mentioning Houellebecq.
In <<Soumission>> one of the characters points out how patriarchy is, for obvious reasons, superior to feminism/SJWism because patriarchy actually replicates itself.
Patriarchy creates more humans who believe in patriarchy and in turn create more etc.
SJWs do not create more humans who will believe in SJWisms. It's basically a one-generation movement.
>>7987098
I dunno about that. There's certainly a set oflargely Jewishacademic families who have been radicals since the 40s and basically present day SJWs the whole way.
Going to a school where they're common is a weird redpill.
Why are there so many pro-SJWs here? I would think that people who enjoy reading literature and have a less narrow minded view of the world would be against stifling free speech in favor of the denial of basic biology and the vast majority of philosophy
>>7987086
It's founded on terrible Sartrean philosophy and her critiques of Freud are very weak.
>>7987069
>We can stop feminism now
Yes, because most of the core tenants of historical feminism (women's suffrage, gender equality, ect.) are accepted by the whole of society and are no longer on any sort of vanguard. Calling yourself a 'feminist' these days makes about as much sense as saying you're an anti-monarchist. It's fighting a battle that's been won already, and even in the third world it's only a matter of time. Globalization and modernization will bring women's rights regardless of how hard Islamists or traditionalists push against it. But your average Westerner can do little to improve the situation, because you can't 'give' someone rights without playing into the hands of neoconservative war hawks.
The New Totalitarians - Roland Huntford ; Feminism in Sweden
Tammy Bruce - The New Thought Police ; Ex Member of NOW
Taken Into Custody: The War Against Fathers, Marriage, and the Family - Stephen Baskerville ; Divorce - Industriali-Complex and punitive legislation
F Roger Devlin - Sexual Utopia in Power
Anatomy of Female Power - Chinweizu ; Critique of African Society/ Feminism
>>7987084
The condition "in the first world" nullifies the whole thing. I admit to some progress in the so-called first world. Everyone agrees there, but what a selfish prig this person is to think we need to stop there.
And this >>7987086
>>7987114
that didn't explain at all why it's an irrelevant work today.
have you read it?
>>7987027
>spousal rape and domestic abuse are illegal
>something is illegal therefor it doesn't happen
oh wow
>>7987108
not an sjw but it could be because that biology and philosophy is fucked up, wrong, boring, and stupid and literature with a world view where people of any sort can express themselves without being dehumanized can make for some pretty interesting and fulfilling read.
>>7987135
I appreciate your dismantling of gun control arguments.
>>7987135
>something is illegal therefor it doesn't happen
You do realize that this is how 100% of Americans think, right?
>>7987142
>fantasy is fun
Yes, we know.
>>7987134
Yes. If you're familiar with philosophy and you come to encounter Sartre you will either cringe very hard or be very confused because he can't POSSIBLY being saying THAT.
He's retarded and it's bad for a Beauvoirian concept of freedom/authenticity.
Beauvoir is essentially the only reason why we haven't completely dropped Sartre. Because if we drop Sartre, it's difficult to continue teaching Beauvoir seriously. And she's convenient to teach because teaching theory does not require deep reading.
>>7987142
I would argue that calling a woman a woman (praising femininity, etc.) isn't dehumanizing. Calling biology and philosophy entirely "Wrong, boring, and stupid" is extremely ignorant (despite the Oxford comma).
>>7987108
>biology is normative
wew lad
>>7987123
>implying birth control isn't extremely controversial still in 1st world countries
>implying paid leave for pregnant women isn't still absolutely fucking abysmal in America
>implying abortion isn't still a controversial issue in 1st world countries and isn't illegal in a lot of places
You're an idiot. Sorry you can't see past the /pol/ fog clouding your vision of the world but there is still a lot that needs to be done for womens rights
>>7987108
if I wanted my narrative or otherwise literary experience to be limited to a world of white men acting in a vacuum of white male affirmation under some fabricated notion of exceptionalism I'd watch hollywood movies or play video games without character creators
>>7987073
Yeah, most books are about more than one thing.
>>7987114
You haven't read it.
>>7987123
>We can stop feminism now
>Yes,
Prig.
>ect.
It's "etc."
>>7987108
Because most people in this thread are trying to point that feminism and SJWism aren't the same thing and that, while engaging with the same topics, they do so in different ways, especially when it comes to one's right to express his or her opinion - similarly to how there's a difference between "progressive democracies" and places like Rojava, where the militia protects you even if you long for ISIS rule, without harassment but trying to convince you their way is better by example and discussion.
>>7987143
Nice fallacy my man
>>7987143
This hardly dismantles a damn thing.
Standing against sexism and wanting there to be less murders and mass shootings is something the left generally want. So sue.
Who Stole Feminism - Christina Hoff Sommers
Women and the Common Life: Love, Marriage, and Feminism - Christopher Lasch
HL Mencken is not exactly antifeminist but on in In Defense of Women roasts both sexes equally ; He is really fun.
>>7987164
Woah there. I'm referring to people like Yukio Mishima and Ruyard Kipling. Not to mention the vast amounts of primal cultures that also involve men and women in patriarchal roles, or the vast and differing European cultures that are labelled ignorantly as "White". Also, many women are amazing authors without taking up this feminist cause. You have a very privileged and sheltered view of the world and seem to believe that everyone who is not a Western female is inferior insofar as they have no ability to write or think critically.
Third wave feminist literature
>>7987173
Uhhh...authenticity and freedom are one of the most important notions for her critiques.
If you cannot save the Sartre in Beauvoir then it looks like she really cannot make her sex-gender distinction and she basically cannot critique any patriarchal institutions like marriage etc
>>7987142
>biology and philosophy is fucked up, wrong, boring, and stupid
this is what leftists actually believe.
>>7987189
>if we make guns illegal the dealers of already-illegal substances who commit practically all of the murders won't have the illegal guns
ayy lmao
>>7986475
This masterpiece.
>>7987108
Show me what non-shitty philosopher said that it's ok to treat certain types of people worse than others.
George Gilder - Sexual Suicide
A former student, Bianca Lamblin (originally Bianca Bienenfeld), in her book, Mémoires d'une jeune fille dérangée, wrote that, while she was a student at Lycée Molière, she had been sexually exploited by her teacher de Beauvoir, who was in her thirties at the time. In 1943, de Beauvoir was suspended from her teaching job, due to an accusation that she had, in 1939, seduced her 17-year-old lycée pupil Natalie Sorokine.Sorokine's parents laid formal charges against de Beauvoir for debauching a minor and as a result she had her license to teach in France permanently revoked. She and Jean-Paul Sartre developed a pattern, which they called the “trio,” in which de Beauvoir would seduce her students and then pass them on to Sartre. De Beauvoir and Sartre would both take part in political campaigns to abolish the age of consent laws for sexual relationships in France.
Just Feminist things.
>>7987249
>Potty
How about we just have restrooms for the fastidious and the slobs?
I'd like a fix on those slits on the stalls though.
>>7987232
Biographic informations are to be separated from an author's work, at least to an extent.
>>7987267
I wouldn't say that. Treating people differently based on differing circumstances isn't treating them worse, it's simple equity.
>>7987126
>pic
Normie politics is just type stratification. Leftist libertarians and Marxists are usually aposematism 'resist the white man' sorts, regardless of the finer details or truth behind the theory they profess.
Leftism is dead. So is the right. Nihilism has prevailed
>>7987262
>He thinks he knows that I want to abolish weapon ownership.
Just get out.
>>7987290
You are right, but social justice is about getting rid of opressive mechanisms in society.
Out of interest, what do you define as treating people differently?
>>7987292
Said the NEET, as he ignored the world.
Put it on a fortune cookie, baby.
>>7987292
I think you mistyped "capitalism"
>>7986649
this
nobody important is going to risk their career writing anti feminist literature
>>7987135
So why don't we just make rape legal then?
>>7987281
Yeah...I can tell YOU haven't read The Second Sex.
No biography here, unless you mean this nasty stuff>>7987277
I'm speaking of the Sartrean concepts of freedom, facticity, authenticity in Beauvoir's The Second Sex. Beauvoir inherits Sartrean existentialism but Sartrean existentialism is itself a terrible misinterpretation of Heidegger (who himself wrote an essay distancing himself from Sartre).
>>7987249
oh man this is some facebook tier political discussion
very depressed that people like you inhabit /lit/
>>7987262
What a great strawman you've created
>>7987301
Well, in the specific case of women, their biologically (generalized) lower muscle mass means that they are more likely to be victims of violent crime, which means that protecting them is more important. Also, the stark differences in the brain of a female would change the way in which a male and female converse in order to minimize confusions and misunderstandings.
>>7986475
it depends what you mean by good. If you mean things that criticize various forms of feminism as a means of achieving gender equality then you should look a post-feminism. If your angle is that gender equality is bad or has always existed then you should shoot your own face off.
>>7987310
Because the fear of going to prison deters people from committing crime
Doesn't mean people will stop committing crimes though
>>7986727
>>7986733
h-haha, good satire
>>7987314
*ignores your argument*
*calls you a liberal*
*pulls cape over face*
"A wiser man than you would see that the Right way is the right way"
*bow my head and walk into the darkness*
(muttering) "heh, nothing personel, cuck"
>>7987318
Okay, what part of any proposed gun control will keep America's violent underclass that thrives on all manner of illegal trade from acquiring and using firearms?
>>7987267
Nietzsche
>>7987290
>You are right, but social justice is about getting rid of opressive mechanisms in society.
Name one lefty.
>Out of interest, what do you define as treating people differently?
Being racist/ sexist/ overtly righteous
>>7987303
>>7987305
Occupy Wallstreet was (remember that??) and college campuses are rife with nominal far-left identification. How do these people typically behave? Goodness, think about what they look like. Far-left ideologies are just crudely appropriated (often in name only) to serve as both a virtue signal and social vehicle for what ever ulterior first principle these crazy minded people have concocted. Principled leftists do exist, but they're very rare.
>>7987267
Stirner
>>7987332
No one ever mentioned gun control other than you
>>7987342
You didn't read Stirner
Fuck off
>>7987314
i'm not the one denying biology and 2000+ years of philosophy because muh feels but ok
>>7987339
You're right, of course. I mean, I agree with your view of contemporary leftism but I'll say finding "principled leftists" is easy if you know where to look, that is, mainly outside campuses. Maybe as a euro I get it easier.
>>7987366
I wasn't the one you were arguing against
I was just pointing out that using facebook tier memes makes you look like a complete moron in any argument
>>7987366
I really, really, really like this image
>>7987325
So what you're saying is that most sane people(the majority)are moral law abiding citizens?
And any rapes, sexual abuse that do occur is the MINORITY, a small portion of the total?
>>7987292
>wants to be taken seriously
>nihilism
is this bait?
>>7987386
>sane people
>believe in morality
I know this is bait but come on
>>7987387
Give me a reason to live that will have a lasting impact upon the world after I'm gone.
Other wise Nihilism is a viable meme.
>>7987353
Butterfly and the person she was talking to. Read who I was addressing and who they were addressing.
>>7987397
Not him, but I suggest reading Camus. You might enjoy Absurdism.
>>7987420
Never implied any of that
You said the majority are sane because they're law abiding citizens with a sense of morality.
I said that just because they have moral values doesn't mean they're any more 'sane' than people without morals.
>>7987394
>Implying most people aren't morally conscious.
>Implying most people are antisocial.
>Implying everyone is just like you.
>>7987397
You living is already having a lasting impact on the world
>>7987439
Care to explain how a 19yr 6"4 half black half arabic is any more but a sliver of a drop in the univerae compared to the 8billion people on this planet?
>>7987339
So it's an education issue.
>>7987380
>ad hominem
my memes make up in Truth what they lack in ''dankness''. triggered much?
>>7987461
>le informal fallacy mem
>le ironic trigger joke
You ever considered suicide? I haven't read any of your other posts, but I can guarantee the world would be better off without you
>>7986873
>this is what leftists actually believe
>>7987454
Not a manlet
>>7987433
Most people don't run around being nice for absolutely no reason.
Samurais followed an honor code in which if they ever disgraced their lord they would have to commit suicide.
No one will commit suicide for pure ambivalence.
Most people have a moral code which they follow.
Any that don't the defacto moral code which follows suit with societies ethics are deemed unintelligent, primitive, dangerous. ie satanist, MS13 the Mexican death worshiping gang, Christans
>>7987484
it's true tho. feminism, like other individualisms doesn't liberate anyone. It dismantles traditional forms of social organisation so capital can excersice it's control directly over every 'individual' consumer unit.
>>7987108
It's the schools these days. Lit degrees these days come with an implied side of marxism and free coupon into the cult of 3rd wave feminism and membership into the LGBTQA2 degenerate club. The only cost being that your future wife is going to have to satisfy hordes of newly immigrated black bulls and you need to pray to Allah 5 times a day.
>>7987405
Seconded anon it might actually change your whole life. Pay special attention to the idea of the Absurd Warlord
>>7987484
I don't think anyone who longs for ISIS rule would be using words (and not bombs) to talk to their local militia.
>What is a narrow minded view of the world.
>>7987510
fucking eew
if you were in my party I would night of the long knife you
>>7987510
Who's in behind the machinery? Give me names.
>>7987526
I wasn't the dude saying ignorant stuff about Kurds I was just commenting on this silly leftist Focaultian conspiracy mindset that comes up every once in awhile. Always makes me giggle.
>>7987536
>K*rds
Don't ya mean Mountain Turks
>>7987545
If the Turks haven't been separate from the Kurds for long enough to consider them different peoples than where does the line even fall?
>>7987168
I don't think anyone who longs for ISIS rule would be using words (and not bombs) to talk to their local militia.
>What is a narrow minded view of the world.
>>7987553
Thanks CIA 8^)
>>7987108
this thread is just trolls trolling trolls
>>7987108
I am become SJW, the destroyer of Worlds
>>7987559
Well, let me correct: what I wanted to convey was that an average (so not a fanatic) person in the country may prefer to live under ISIS rule (or any other rule) and he is not harassed for holding that view; I was, specifically (and maybe unfairly) referring to a conversation, of which I've read a translation, where a man, asked to express his opinion on the political situation, said that he preferred when ISIS had control of the town he was in because, when properly bribed, they were less of an inconvenience to his day to day life than the militia was - which, I thought, was an interesting expression of how "normal" people live these situations and generally interface with politics. Still I think the fact he isn't harassed or ostracized for holding this opinion is remarkable and something to admire.
>>7987620
That man is a fucking idiot
Id rather [that] militia sleep in my home and eat my food.
Then constantly bribing ISIS not to come rape my daughter and (wive)s and probably torch my village.
>>7987620
Cause muh interests
Do you have this audio thingy?
>>7987643
they are commies and probably interested in redistributing your hard earned property. while ISIS leaves you alone if you pay taxes and don't make trouble
>>7986584
>Be christian
>Call yourself "Abrahamic"
>Against leftists, be sure to note you are, as such, a follower of Islam
>Be immune to criticism
My God, I've done it!
>>7987643
I agree with you, just thought it was a good showing of how actual leftists (horrible definition) actually care about freedom of speech.
>>7987649
It's in Italian and written, I'll translate and post it if I can find it.
>>7987650
Not really, no, but if it makes you feel better keep saying it. Try and be more interesting next time, this is /lit/ after all - if want to make ISIS the not-so-bad guy maybe give us a slice of life or something.
>>7987108
You're on 4chan. We like to troll.
>>7987163
>implying abortion isn't literal baby murder
>>7987676
ISIS, Assad/Putin and the PKK are merely three different forms of Totalitarianism.
>>7987704
>pkk
>totalitarian
Oh my god dude I'm an American libertarian too but Jesus Christ learn your history.
>>7987164
You realize 80% of good game are Japanese, right?
Do people honestly believe shit like "this has nothing to do with Islam" when a Belgian muslim goes to Syria and behead a Yezidi man in front of his family?
What I love about the debate concerning religion in this decade is that you can't say in our cultural relativist world of kneejerk liberals that some religions are less violent or not as prone to violence as others.
They have convinced themselves that every religion out there is basically producing an equal amount of kind family men and women and that when you have guys shouting "god is great" before they blow up people standing in a queue at an airport, they aren't "really" muslims, and that's that. Because obviously a religion is all about being altruistic and feeling the bern in premodern times.
But in reality, Islam is, next to Christianity, one of the most revolutionary religions in world history and as such it not only appeals to the revolutionary, but has the ability to turn the average Joe into one.
>>7987854
Not that person, but yes. The "tyranny" of the traditional chieftain is that he acts in both your interest and the tribe's interest
Rational Male
Way of Men
basically anything which deals with the real world holistically, such as Robert Greene's work like 48 Laws of Power
>>7987854
The alternative is an unverified future post-scarcity utopia where everyone shares. The catch is we have to go through a violent phase first where a small group of people needs all the power to lead us there, to this magical future world.
Just trust them on that.
>>7987779
that is youre opinion.
>>7987854
That's not tyranny.
Tyranny is modernity in all its forms, from Stalinism to what we praise about modern democracy, which is ALL a will of another ( the leader or the 'people' ) forced upon yours.
In that "dark" age of chieftains, you always had the option of leaving and going for another lord, or hell, even another city.
Feudalism is in its very essence and practise reciprocal.
Try leaving your country for another without the demons of bureaucracy chasing after you. You can't swear allegiance to another.
>>7987887
Maybe so, but it isn't a rare one.
She is a cutie.
>>7987863
>Way of Men
>deals with the real world holistically
That book is fanfiction of the homosexual lifestyle, I've never read a more ludicrous book. To imply that it's in any way "real" or "holistic" betrays that you're living in your parents' basement.
>>7987849
You deserve a hug
How did this thread turn into a debate on Islam?
By the way, liberals like to say that radical Muslims aren't 'real' Muslims and conservatives say moderate Muslims aren't 'real' Muslims, but there's no such thing as a 'real' Muslim. Islam is whatever Muslims want it to be. If tomorrow all Muslims decided that Allah wants them to fist their sister then that's Islam regardless of whatever Qu'ran verse you can site against it. In a sense, it's the same as feminism - liberals say "Oh, they're not a real feminist" when a self-proclaimed feminist says to kill all men. But just like Islam, feminism is whatever feminists say it is.
>>7987689
>>7987108
/lit/ is very divided.
>>7987108
I doubt that anyone can read the Greeks and the Western Canon and yet remain unconvinced of the Virtues of traditionalism, faith and the natural order. I have reasons to believe the Leftists are mostly teen poseurs or else shill operators coming in droves from leftypol or reddit
>>7988268
is this what ppl think? or is this one of those joke sentences ppl say??
>>7988268
like what the fuck do you mean 'the natural order'? like 'a natural order' but the one you're most about? or just whatever 'natural order' happens to be in place in some less local context?
ppl be going on like 'the' natural order is anything but one arbitrary regime of signification and materialization through definitive representation (which can never, really, be definitive)
>>7988463
>like what the fuck do you mean 'the natural order'?
Monarchy. Power held by aristocratic elites continually improving their bloodlines through eugenic breeding. Traditional values and religion. There is no cult of victimhood, thus masses accept the superiority of their betters.
>>7988493
oh i see
at least thats an absurd enough answer that I can assume you aren't being serious
>>7988000
Dubs confirm anon speaks tha trutha!
>>7986475
Just came here to say:
What a qt.
>>7986584
But I'm a sinocentric sinophile and we've dealt with our Muslim problems directly over time. We are also dealing actively with our turkroach problem. Grey wolves? More like grey dogs! Woof! Just wish EU and US of A would cooperate instead of funding separatist elements in China.
>>7986878
If the moral guidelines established by a religious doctrine produce a better society, who cares what fiction is used to get the people's buy-in?
>>7987108
It's not pro-SJW so much as comparatively left-leaning in general; /pol/ accuses everything of being cultural marxism, while /lit/ is full of actual Marxists.
>tfw not socially conservative enough for /pol/, too capitalist for /lit/
my diary desu
>>7987849
What strikes me as odd is how Islam was supposedly friendlier to women's rights back when it started, at least relative to pre-Islamic tribal customs. Did Islam just stay there while social changes happened among Christians? Are the progressives right and it really is just a relatively recent wackjob takeover? Supposedly Iran had more in the way of blue jeans and rock music before the revolution.
>>7987871
Honestly, the whole "revolt against consumerism" thing I see among the left and right strikes me as wrong-headed. I don't dispute that corporations influence society for their own commercial ends, but the thought process seems to end there and jump straight to "benefits CEO's = bad." Of course corporations want more women working because more labor, for instance, but it's very much possible that it's a case of mutual benefit as opposed to evil capitalist/Jew exploitation. Even as a consumer unit corporations fight among themselves to best serve you, and when they do screw you over an absolute monarch will have the same incentives.
>>7987901
Fair enough on broader-reaching bureaucracy, though that's not really an issue with capitalism or the bourgeoisie; once it comes down to power coercing you it's just the broad problem of government as opposed to the particular issue of corporatism or consumerism.
>>7988000
Everybody needs to learn to focus on what they are for and against, otherwise arguments boil down to subdividing groups into crazies and moderates. Someone supporting feminism should just specify and argue for what they support, it doesn't matter if literally everyone else who calls themselves feminist is out for your balls.
In the case of debating Islam it makes more sense because it's a question of demographic risk factors as opposed to how thing should/should not be.
>>7986584
Europeans are literally the best race and Islam is a shit tier religion.
>>7987266
Most feminist book ever written, fight me.
>>7986704
some of them are jewish though
>>7986475
Anything religious, since women cannot be religious, if they are not practicing before their puberty, but can and do always pretend to be religious.
>>7987098
>SJWs do not create more humans who will believe in SJWisms. It's basically a one-generation movement.
you are joking. The liberals and libertarians have been creating laws, spending billions, each year, over 20 years to educate a child, to produce more liberals and libertarians, through their mandatory education.
Very few people are not liberal-libertarian today.
>>7986495
Real butterfly or fake?
>>7989554
>>7987098
Thank fuck for that. People are only a bit annoyed by lefties at the moment because they've forgotten how completely insufferable and batshit crazy the alternative is.
>>7986727
He can't help it that niggers can't write
>>7986475
>>7986475
dd
>>7987057
M8, they cover Sunni, Shia, and sufi. They even have some Jewish Kurds in there.
>>7989334
>Are the progressives right and it really is just a relatively recent wackjob takeover?
The death of Nasser sort of started it and the assassination of Sadat totally brought it to fruition.
>>7989554
but how will they reproduce if they're 'taught' not to?
we're reaching peak sjw
>>7990702
All women are breeders whether they admit it or not. SJWs become single moms.
>>7990702
SJW is good.
>>7986584
Deus Vult!
Crusade Now!
>>7989558
By all means elaborate on how the left is better than the right.
Dialectical Materialism xD!!
What the fuck has happened to this board? Can we please go back to arguing about 80 year old books
>>7986475
rachel dolezal?
>>7986475
anything written before second wave feminism. The further back you go, the more inherently anti-feminist it is.
DSL
>no one asking about demon
Glad lit has gotten over this shitposting
i'm honestly curious, is there really any legitimate reason to still call yourself a feminist? is there any other argument to still clutch to a label that the vocal "minority" has obviously tarnished beside "that just isn't TRUE feminism!" because trust me, i would love to support a movement for equality, but it's painfully clear that those "silent true feminists" don't give a damn about preserving any sanity. even it's as sensible as egalitarianism (literally derived from the word "equality") so many feminists absolutely refuse to give up feminism for any other name
>>7992039
Chirstina Hoff Sommers aka based mom still calls herself a feminist despite being very sane. I'm sure there are others, some possibly less conservative. Names I've heard: Susan Haack, Susan Wolf, Martha Nussbaum, Anna Gullickson, Judith Jarvis Thomson, Daphne Patai, Jennifer Saul.
>>7989334
Sufi Islam has been around for centuries, it's just that recently their biggest proponents happened upon a horde of the world's most valuable resource and can fund megachurches and fox news on crack all over the islamic world.
>>7986475
Who is this semen demon?
>>7986626
Top 10 shittiest memes. People who say this have clearly never done research in any science, taken a single logic class nor do they have any knowledge of statistics. You know I'm right because feminists say the same fucking things about logic, biology and statistics being on their side. I'm fucking livid 10/10 bait
Am I the only one who has never experienced "feminism" or "SJW" in real life?
>>7992240
I take it you don't go to college. Am I right?
Reality
>>7986475
All of it.
>>7992304
if it only happens at colleges then why is it such a big deal?
>>7989374
unspoken truth
>>7989374
>Europeans are literally the best race and Islam is a shit tier religion.
Muslims are the johny depp of 2016
>>7992721
current Johnny Depp or pic related JD?
>>7986475
The Art of insulting - Schopenhauer
Female part
>>7992756
Current Johnny. Way too old, ubiquitous, and should probably just stop.
>>7990925
The march of history is to the left
