By Crom! Steel is strong but flesh is stronger.
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>Fantasy
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>Sci-Fi
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>What are you reading right now?
>Got any weird tales like those mentioned above?
>Post your favorite Frank Frazetta art
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Come on guys, this shit isn't hard
No femshit allowed.
What is the most aromantic and asexual epic fantasy series that currently exists?
How old are you guys and what's your favourite series?
I'm 18 and I've only read GotM and Deadhouse Gates.
Both are my favourite.
>>7985785
Stormlight Archives. Closest thing to a romance is a girl squeeing that her arranged marriage partner's a hunky prince. Gruff old general literally sold his wife's memory to the Devil and hunky spearman only likes his bridge-bros (platonically) and JUSTICE.
>>7985785
LOTR. There's no sex and only passing mention of romance.
>>7985788
>>7985790
If you speak true you may have finally convinced me to read Sanderson.
Is LotR really the closest to darksouls
>>7985833
As an 18 year old I have to say no.
The blade itself is
>>7985788
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Discworld, without any doubt. They are the world and all its workings, blown open and reassembled in a beautiful shape.
Book of the New Sun is a new favourite as well and please, don't call me pretentious. I'm just fascinated by Wolfe's writing and use of normal techniques, which is mot exceptional but fairly interesting nonetheless.
By the way, anyone has read the Vorrh? Thinking about buying the paperback when it comes out - and what about Michael Cisco? Any of you guys know where one could find pdfs/reasonably priced editions?
Any sci-fi or fantasy with a little girl protagonist?
>>7985908
Anita Blake the Vampire Layer had a bad ass loli vampire villain in the first book.
I hope she gets a back story prequel novel one day
>>7985908
>>7985950
There's no blood spatter in the bottom left panel...
>>7986024
I know, it's a real shame Anita Blake became so crap so fast.
First book had so much promise, but everything just had to go south.
>>7986028
That is obviously the first picture in the sequence.
>>7985913
>>7985950
Anita Blake has gone from a good Urban Fantasy(even though it was written by a woman ), to a joke focused on Anita and her personal harem and why other people with a vagina always hates her, and how she is self conscious and calls herself ugly because her stepmom called her that like 30years ago, even though tens of men literally line up to run train on her "so wet, so tight"vagina.
There is also the police hate because she is a US Marshal now, but they come around by the end of the book. There is also the mother of darkest who they killed(which the first like 15+ books was building up to) and the series still isn't over even though Anita's vagina has a godhood now, once you stick your penis in there you get qn automatic power up.
What more can she do? I don't want to read about you and your 30+ boyfriends(they are aware of each other, so it's cucking with intent and consent), I want to read about zombie raising and killing vamps and wereanimals.
Is this any good?
>>7986362
It is alright but dated. People tend to say Malazan and Traitor Son Cycle are better versions of it.
>>7985788
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Everyone knows my favourite series, Solar Cycle, Lankhmar, Amber, Gormenghast.
Why do you guys hate Abercrombie?
>>7986367
Thanks!
I've only read Tolkien,asoiaf and Malaz. Would you recommend me the Traitor Son Cycle?
>>7986406
Definitely. Great series.
>>7986391
He is irredeemable in just about every aspect. There is nothing good in his writing. Characters are boring caricatures, writing is empty of style, he doesn't even have even the most basic descriptions, the world is generic and lacks imagination, his action scenes are a mess.
>>7986411
Thanks! Will read.
>>7986034
That is a confusing set of panels.
>>7985791
That's what gives the chapter with Faramir and Eowyn so much of an impact.
This thread needs more awesome pulps in it.
>>7985788
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Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser
Elric
A Song of Ice and Fire
Conan
>>7986553
Can't tell if new guy or Wolfe anon trying to fit in by mentioning ASoIaF.
Any good books based on fairies? Looking for more Pan's Labyrinth or Changeling: The Lost style stuff.
I know there's a few paranormal detective series that deal heavily with fae, (Mick Oberon, October Daye, Dresden Files a bit) but I'd like some more options.
>>7986650
>unironically reading urban and paranormal shit
>that fucking picture
end life
>>7986650
The Red Knight series. Set in fantasy counterpart England heavily featuring Fae and other shit like that.
>>7986663
Red Knight is the first book, series is called Traitor Son Cycle.
>>7985788
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Dune's probably my favorite series, but other than that I'm a way bigger fan of Delany (Stars In My Pocket... is the best damn scifi book I ever read)
I started getting into the series that starts w Ancilliary Justice but have finished the second one yet
so I guess that just leaves Dragon Ball Z
thats sci fi, right? (it is.)
>>7986650
Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell. It's worth it, trust me.
>>7986656
You are quite the fag
>>7986686
Nah, I'm the guy who asked and I know they're not very good books. I just like them and don't care. Sometimes it's fun to wonder if a native american skinwalker babe will find love while hunting monsters.
>>7986683
>>7986663
Those both look great. A bit nervous about Jonathan Strange since having a story set in Victorian England (or thereabouts) is a HUGE red flag for me, though I'll definitely give it a shot.
>>7986708
Red flag for what? It's not a shirtless Darcy romance, but it is quite tedious in many parts. It's a very good imitation of an actual Victorian novel.
>>7986708
Jonathan Strange isn't exactly unknown, it's a pretty acclaimed book. Low fantasy and very slow pacing though.
Stirner pill me on ASOIAF
>>7986712
I find that most books set in that period tend to be very derivative and they rely too much on the setting. They tend to all be very samey with just character names changed I've been able to guess entire passages from books I've never read before.
http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2016/04/guest-review-children-earth-sky-guy-gavriel-kay-novel-savored-not-devoured/
Who hype for GGKs new book?
>>7986767
Ah. No, you won't be able to do that.>tfw Jonathan Strange brings back the Portuguese soldiers from hell to interrogate them but he can't send them back after and they're just on a wagon screaming for weeks till he figures it out
>>7986663
Just finished reading The Red Knight this morning.
It's written from multiple perspectives in a similar fashion to ASOIAF, but I enjoyed it more than asoiaf.
The central premise is a large siege, stealing Poul Anderson's nature/chaos vs christianity trope from Three Hearts and Three Lions.
The most fascinating part of the book is the historical accuracy. The descriptions of troop composition, architecture, etc are fairly good.
It's biggest fault is the overuse of magic. By the end of the book it seems that every single character can use magic and is an invincible god who has unlimited potential to heal and blow things up. There is literal deus ex machina where an angel appears and brings people back to life.
The fight scenes are fairly weak.
The plotting is decent and draws together several strands without seeming forced.
The setting isn't forced on you. This isn't a book where the author wants to show off his special creative special snowflake world. It's generic fantasy england, and that's that.
6/10, because I enjoyed it more than I didn't enjoy it.
>>7986820
>By the end of the book it seems that every single character can use magicThey can.
>There is literal deus ex machina where an angel appears and brings people back to life.That ain't an Angel. Oh so fair and dressed in white.
>>7986820
That's a pretty harsh rating, but book 2 and 3 get much better, with 3 being considered the best.
What books do you consider 9/10 and 10/10?
>>7985788
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No particular favorite but a fan of old weird fiction/sword and sorcery from the likes of Howard, Leiber, Smith, etc
And more poetic or mythological type fantasy such as Dunsany, Tolkien, and such.
Also WoT of course, the Ryhope Wood series by Holdstock is nice also
I guess if I had to have an absolute favorite book it would probably be the Silmarillion.
For a series... I don't know, maybe WoT the whole setting is more or less burned into my mind though that may be more a result of reading it as I was growing up in the 90s, but I do love it.
>>7986827
(Spoiler) I know, I think the angel and de vraili are the most interstitial part of the book. He's supossed to be an asshole but I liked him. I also thought the hints that the angel is lying to him and using him and that the angel isn't really an angel was a nice touch (/spoiler)
>>7986830
>harsh rating
6/10 indicates a better than typical book, and one I enjoyed.
>what books do you consider 9/10 and 10/10
For fantasy:
Dunsany's short fiction: Poltarnees Beholder of the Ocean, In the Land of Time, Bethmoora, Idle Days on the Yann, The Fortress Unvanquishable Save for Sacnoth, etc
Burrough's heroic novels: Tarzan, A Princess of Mars
Tolkien's Farmer Giles of Ham, The Hobbit
Dodgson (Lewis Carol)'s Alice in Wonderland books
Eddison's The Worm Ouroboros and trilogy
Any Vance, his wit and beautiful language and absurdities are delightful.
Smith's Tale of Satrampa Zerios and Dark Eidolon, Lovecraft's Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath, Lieber's Bazaar of the Bizarre, Howard's Tower of the Elephant
>>7985788
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>favorite series
Flashman
Not fantasy, but a hell of a lot of fun
Sup /lit/, I'm about to self-publish a satiric YA fantasy novel about a Mary Sue saving the world. A lot of the inspiration comes from Greek mythology, Dante, Tolkien, Joseph Campbell, and Manly P. Hall.
Any advice while I get myself ready to market the hell out of it in the streets of New York City?
>>7987094
I'd read it if not for the >YA. Good luck
My friend wants a primer on sci fi and fantasy books, I'm not an expert and I tried to distill the list into like 5 books I feel you should start with, based on my favorites:
Starship Troopers (I am an armyfag, I'm legally supposed to love this book)
Sirens of Titan
Fahrenheit 451
American Gods
And I told him to skip the first Ender's Game book (he saw the movie) and just read Speaker for the Dead
What would you add to the "further reading" category?
>>7987094
Give free copies to people, not just reviewers. The premise sounds abysmal and might scare some people off; it would definitely scare me off. But, if I was given a free copy, I'd read it (and I'm sure others would also) giving you a chance to prove me wrong. Get that word of mouth/word of blog going.
>>7987112
Lord of Light & Lion of Al-Rassan, for SciFi and fantasy respectively. Both very good stand alones.
>>7987094
What's the name?
Is the Mary Sue a little girl?
I WILL read it.
>>7985766
The Great and Secret Show & Weaveworld by Clive Barker
>>7987190
Just tell the name so I know what I should buy.
>>7987094
Did you name the main character Mary sue?
>>7987202
anyone has a bigger more detailed cyberpunk recommendation list other than the section in the op?
>>7985790
that chapter of Dalinar at the end of WoK, when hethreatens Elokharand then tells him "btw I'm fucking your mom, get used to it"
>>7987224
Saved
I'll be on the lookout to deposit shekels into your account
Hes anyone here ever read the Tschai quadrilogy (Planet of Adventure), written by Jack Vance in the '60s?
It's the first scifi book I ever read, and I remember it being absurdly good
>White Human American Male™ crashes on alien planet
>proceeds to export democracy and fucks up the equilibrium between the several alien species that had been at war on the planet for centuries
>fucking obliterates one of the enemies cities in a matter of two pages, leading the enslaved semi-humans around the planet to rebel against their respective alien lords
>finds the time to fuck several women among princesses, daughters of chiefs and mind controlled subservient slaves
>one of the enemies he faces is a cult of batshit crazy raving fat women who tries to have a princess raped by an alien troll and then burned because she's young and hot, and they hate her because they'll never have that
>kills, steals and plunders in his steel-strong conviction that his ways are the more civil and just
>fuck Star Trek's rule of non-interference, he steals a spaceship and vows to come back to bring the True American Dream to this godforsaken planet full of alien sandniggers
I had so much fucking fun reading that book, it was obviously a power fantasy of the author, but the worldbuilding was amazing
>>7985908
bumping
I want to give johnathan strange and mr. norrel another shot but the first time I tried it was just so boring. I got maybe 5% in before I put it down and never picked it back up
Where do you find older books, /sff/? My local chain bookstore only has newer authors, the uber popular stuff like Tolkien and Asimov, and like one book by Wolfe. Should I be going to used book stores?
>>7985766
I loved the original Conan stories, and pulpy sword ad sorcery in general. Is the subgenre dead though? Are there any good sword and sorcery books written in the past decade or two? Seems like everything is "epic" fantasy and if it is anything less than 6 books long it isn't getting published, so the books are bloated to hell with huge casts.
I miss that old heroic feel where authors weren't afraid to get really weird and mix in some scifi and horror.
1/10. It was a shit book. Didn't even have pages.
>>7986830
>That's a pretty harsh rating
No worries my brother, I still gave it 5 stars on Goodreads.
>>7987371
It was mentioned in this thread already, but Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser, the first book being Swords and Deviltry I'm pretty sure, is a great addition to the genre.
My favorite entries to the genre used to be Conan, but honestly, Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser took his place, just check out the first one at least, it's great. Still pretty old though.
>>7987368
I just go to thriftbooks. Though I do feel bad buying used if the author is still alive
>>7987316
Planet of adventure are the worst of all Vance's writing.
It's absolute garbage, and this is coming from someone who loves vance
Does this get better after the first book? It was way too formulaic and it never feels like there's an actual conflict. Everyone assimilates perfectly, everyone falls in love, they have unlimited power, food, and ammo, and only a single unnamed good guy died.
>>7987446
Dude no
I loved it
Pls no
I don't know why, maybe it's because it was one of my first books, but I find the different parts of Tschai as they were described actually amazing, thay have an atmosphere and a feeling that I tried to find in other works of fiction but that I was never able to replicate exactly
>>7987446
What are your favorite Vance novels?
>>7987423
Yeah Leiber is great too. I've read and loved most of the big name old sword and sorcery authors. Was more curious about any recent books that fall into the category. Sadly seems like a pretty dead genre these days. Everything is grimdark epic fantasy or urban fantasy.
>>7987371
It's been dead for decades, the format which made it possible is no longer a thing and the fantasy audience went from normal teenagers and young men to millenial faggots and nerds.
It was also kind of a literary movement and those appear and disappear.
What's the best fantasy novel/series with a non-European aesthetic?
>>7987548
Bridge of Birds
>>7987497
It could be argued that ebooks are the new pulp. Look in the Kindle store, you'll find a shitload of SFF titles, the vast majority of which are trash pumped out for a quick buck - a lot like dime novels or Weird Tales. We just have to identify the Lovecraft/Howard style talents who are doing good work within that format. Unfortunately there's vastly more cheap ebooks than there were pulp novels, so it's harder to separate, but they're sure to be out there.
>>7987482
I don't like Planet of Adventure, I'm not a huge fan of The Demon Princes, the second compilation of Cugel stories is a let down, and the later books of the Cadwal Chronicals are weak.
The Lyonessee trilogy, Araminta Station, The Dying Earth, The Eyes of the Overworld, Rhialto the Marvellous, The Dragon Masters, The Miracle Workers, The Languages of Pao, The Last Castle, The Moon Moth, The Brains of Earth, are good stuff. I honestly can't remeber everything I've read by vance.
>>7987615
What should I give a shot of his if I thought Dying Earth was hella boring plot-wise (dropped it under 100 pages in I think) but I thought the prose was neat, something with better pacing perhaps?
>>7987615
>Not liking The Demon Princes or Cugel's Saga.
I'm glad someone else recognizes how great the Rhialto stories are though, they're usually handwaved away as being "not Cugel".
>>7987626
Almost else anything Vance wrote. The Dying Earth was the first thing he ever wrote--written during the 40s, published a little later--and it shows. However, he was publishing quality work well into the goddamn 90s. The Dragon Masters is short and really good, probably a good place to start.
>>7987548
This gets asked every thread.
And like clockwork, the first response will always be Bridge of Birds, and rightly so because it's brilliant. Then I'll come along and recommend Under Heaven and River of Stars.
What's wrong with erikson, /lit/?
>>7987714
Shit prose, for one.
Hey friends. What are some good dark fantasy novels? Like the type of shit you see in metal album covers, or like dark souls I guess
>>7987670
I looked at a couple novels of his and I'm probably gonna go with Lyonesse if for no other reason than that I fell in love with this picture. I'm weak to cute girls in green backgrounds.
>>7987725
The Sad Tale of the Brothers Grossbart
>>7987723
Compared to anyone else in the genre I've read he easily has the best.
>>7987714
A really bad first book. Otherwise he's alright.
>>7987748
Read more.
>>7987761
Got any recommendations? Cause from what I've read in fantasy, Erikson is easily the best. Obviously there are a lot better authors, but specifically within fantasy?
>>7987748
>he hasn't read Wolfe
>>7987773
B a k k e r
>>7987782
Going all out with the bait tonight?
![Vance-Lyonesse[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sv2sixo.jpg "Vance-Lyonesse[1].jpg")
>>7987734
Lyonesse is good, but it's also pretty long (~1000 pages for the trilogy), and a tad more mellow than average for Vance. Still, I don't think you'll be disappointed.
>>7987793
> thinking Erikson writes better prose than Bakker
>thinking Erikson writes better plots than Bakker
Not that Erikson is bad, he's just not as good as Bakker
>>7987813
disgusting racist piece of shit
>>7987773
Wolfe and Vance are both excellent prose stylists.
>>7987848
If you read Darkness and didn't like it, you probably won't enjoy the rest of the series. His writing does improve, but it's all more or less the same style, unless it was just one PoV you didn't like.
What are some fantasy book with some "Dark Souls" vibe?
>>7987896
Have you read the Malazan books?
>>7987898
Nope, been on my "to read" list for a while.
>>7987864
Fair enough. I read it a while back, can't really remember the specifics. I'll give it another whirl then.
>>7987446
What makes it shit? I've always read consistently stellar reviews about it.
>>7987734
Lyonessee is strange.
The main plot and politics and wars are very badly plotted, although that isn't Vance's forte.
Everything concerning the magicians is absolutely fantastic however.
The parts of Suldruns Garden concerning shimrod are insane, the adventure in the alternate world in The Green Pearl is fantastic, and Madouc is a very solid story all around.
>>7986680
What did you think of Dhalgren?
>>7987839
I love vance but can't get into wolfe's style of prose.
Any suggestions for reading it?
>>7987969
I like how the climactic war near the end of Madouc is probably about five pages long. That could've been an entire separate book.
On the other hand, if you want to write an epic fantasy and not end up producing something that's thousands of pages long, you've got to prioritize, and that's what Vance was doing.
>>7987839
Another anon, which Wolfe's books would you recommend me? Only fantasy series I've read are Tolkien and Asoaif.
Want to check Wolfe since they told me it has a Dark Souls vibe.
>>7988007
Regardless of the setting, vance seems to care the most about food and booze and witty assholes lying to each other and the colors of the sky at different times of day.
Just finished the first Malazan. I was definitely in the right mood for this book. I'm glad I was weak and returned to snag all the rest. Only missing two of them.
>>7988017
I've heard the torturers apprentice is the best.
I picked it up a copy, but I'm having trouble startin it.
>>7988049
The first book is the worst in the series too, so it's all up hill from here. As much as people shit on Malazan, it's a great rainy day read and a hell of a ride the whole way through. Worth noting the first one is better the second time through. I stopped following the series for awhile due to other circumstances and when I picked it up again I reread through the first few and found a lot I missed in Gardens of the Moon first time through.
The other books by Esslemont are pretty decent, and fill in some nice spots the main books gloss over or don't touch much on.
>>7988088
>The first book is the worst in the series too
?
>toll the hounds
>Crippled God
>>7985788
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C. J. Cherryh's Chanur series. Pretty much anything she's written is gold.
Two books that really impressed me recently are For a Breath I Tarry and A Voyage to Arcturus.
I'll read, and likely enjoy, pretty much anything SFF. Only subgenre I tend to shy away from is Urban Fantasy.
>>7988095
Are better, yes.
>>7988088
>Worth noting the first one is better the second time through.
Wouldn't surprise me. I kept checking the map for certain place names until halfway through the book when I finally realized that the Malazan were from a different continent entirely.
>>7988108
>admiring the beauty of muchness twice in the same post
Kill me please desu senpai.
Why is it that in most scifi the setting seems so irrelevant to the story that's being told?
If you're going to the trouble of writing an in depth world couldn't you at least use it properly?
>>7988403
Modern scifi is more "[other genre] in space" than it is science fiction.
>>7988631
>tfw the best sci fi novels came out 60 years ago
Will anybody ever top the big three?
>>7988769
Problems with developing settings weren't something the big three were immune to. Clarke was an early pioneer in concocting settings so detailed and original that he completely forgot to include a plot.
>>7988403
This is the reason why most genre fiction that tries to be deep is shit
The best way to do things is just focus on creating a world that is fun for fun's own sake
>>7987969
That chapter in the first book with the talking mountains was cool as hell
How are the second and third books compared to the first?
>From the author of Legion and the #1 New York Times bestselling Stormlight Archive comes an action-filled novella about privilege, culture clash, and expectations.
zzzzzzzz
>>7988990
I actually had to look that up to see which Sanderson book it was even though I'd read Perfect State. Not how I would have described it or tried to market it. I thought it was a fun, quick read but nothing really stuck with you or made you think about it afterwards.
>>7989016
Should I read it?
>>7987714
His prose isn't boring in a bland way that just describes events plainly, but is still serviceable enough to enjoy the story, like say Sanderson; it's actually actively bad, and detracts from the story because he doesn't know how to set a scene or describe action.
I get the feeling he was trying to emulate traditional mythological texts with the massive scope where loosely defined gods with vague motivations play with the lives of flat and boring mortals who all have the same speech patternrs, leading to lots of deus ex machina twists and resolutions.
I still thoroughly enjoyed Malazan for the mythic vision Erikson has, but it's not as perfect as it's built up to be outside of /lit/.
>>7989027
Is Malazan a meme series or is it actually readable?
>>7989039
Anyone who uses "meme" as an adjective should probably just stick to Sanderson and Jim Butcher.
>>7989016
Is that description accurate?
>>7989049
But you did not answer my meme question
>>7988403
You might be interested in Delany's books on the language of science fiction, The Jewel-Hinged Jaw and Starboard Wine
>>7987743
This was ok, but I liked The Enterprise of Death way more (even though the ending made no sense).
>>7989039
Malazan in my opinion was not worth it. It was overblown and I found it dragged quite a lot. Is it readable? Yes, it is, it's not as bad as Sword of Truth or anything but I just didn't enjoy it as much as others say they did.
>>7989027
>Sanderson; it's actually actively bad, and detracts from the story because he doesn't know how to set a scene or describe action.
How did this retarded idea actually gain traction on this board?
>>7989089
>How did this retarded idea actually gain traction on this board?
Bandwagoning.
>>7989073
>touching delany
>ever
Did he fuck underage boys and get fucked in the ass in those 2 books also?
Have any of you Erikson haters tried reading one of the ICE books?
>>7989113
>>recommending esselmont ever
I like Erikson and even I know esselmont is trash
>>7989027
While I can agree that the general plot is nonsensical, filled with ridiculous powerups at crucial moments to save the day and none of the characters develop at all, certain scenes are just so beautifully well done that it makes me forgive everything else. And he really learns how to piece it together in forge of darkness, goddamn that book was spectacular.
>>7989065
Lets just say its like 4chens.
/v/, /lit/ and /tg/ inhabit /g/ and the elitist on lit looks down on v and tg.
If you read the book this would make 100% sense.
>>7989120
he gets another bump up because he doesn't take 15 years to write a book either. dude started and finished the malazan series in the time it took martin to write 3 asoiaf books
>>7989120
>the general plot is nonsensical, filled with ridiculous powerups at crucial moments to save the day and none of the characters develop at all
So...
Anime?
>>7989163
anime written by a phd archaeologist
>>7989179
But anime.
I love Malazan
The characters are so masculine and strong and buff and attractive it's so awesome
>>7989224
fuck off bredd
>>7985908
I'm wondering too.
>>7985908
Mistborn
>>7985908
A considerably large number of anime.
>>7985908
Does she have to stay a little girl?
>>7989186
Anime is a spook
>>7989288
spook did NOTHING wrong!
>>7989288
what is /lit/'s definition of spook? isn't it just a derogatory term for black people
>>7989288
Spooks are real if I'm real.
>>7985908
Second Foundation.
Thought I was browsing /a/ for a moment.
>>7989300
Pic related.
Beat it
>>7989305
I thought she was a teenager.
>>7989306
>meme philosophers
It's a good meme though.
![M-John-Harrison[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LgJQaGF.jpg "M-John-Harrison[1].jpg")
>>7989288
Worldbuilding is a spook.
>>7989309
/lit/ is the biggest Stirner stronghold.
>>7989308
Teenagers are little, right? They're little to me.
>>7989300
I don't understand the meme about spook? What does it mean can anyone explain it to me in leymens terms?
>>7989311
This isn't /lit/ though, this is /sffg/. Different animal.
>>7989312
The cutoff for Little Girl is 13 years old.
>>7989313
See >>7989306
It's not a big book and you can download it legally.
>>7989313
Things that exist because people agree on them, like laws and society, and are thus totally not real, as opposed to things that exist because you agree with them, like your own self-interest and access to booty, which are completely real.
>>7989321
So our eyes are a spook because mirrors aren't real yet we agree they are real and therefore we only see the mirror because we agree our eyes are real and therefore our eyes are a spook?
Am I getting this right?
>>7989324
You've got it, now take what you own (everything) because you're the only one keeping yourself from your desires.
>Start reading Malazan
>The first book's preface is already filled with vulgarities
Sigh...
I'll have to find a new book series to read now, one that isn't written by a 13 year old
>>7989598
What vulgarities?
I don't remember anything vulgar from GotM, Deadhouse Gates had Felisin though.
But I wouldn't call the biggest majority of it vulgar.
>>7989604
In here, "Preface to Gardens of the Moon redux"
He's cursing and cursing and writing like a drunken sailor, it's too problematic for me to keep going.
>>7989598
>marines swearing is problematic
In other news, I was offended that grass was green today.
>>7989598
The cursing isn't a problem, it's the general shit tier writing in the book.
Peake and Wolfe as far as series go have really great prose.
Did you go through the usual shill list for people with at least some taste?
>>7989618
They're also boring as heck.
>>7989619
"Boring" is the measure used by retards.
>>7989619
Try Mistborn.
>>7989618
No I was asking around for decent fantasy books with interesting stories and strong female leads, I had just finished Mistborn, I just loved Vin in that series, but when I started reading this one? Nope.
So I am looking for a new series now.
>>7989619
How are they 'boring'? Do you enjoy anything other than generic pop fantasy doorstoppers?
>>7989626
There isn't a single good fantasy novel with a female lead that I know of.
>>7989613
So I read the preface real quick, and I noticed he said hell once.
Have you ever met a sailor?
>>7989626
>guy who reads a YA novel can't deal with swear words
Why is this not surprising
>Mistborn has girl protagonist
>But is written by Sanderson
I don't think I'll read it
>>7989626
Oh you're that guy.
Malazan has a few strong female characters but there are more men in it.
There's Felisin though ;^)
>>7989629
The first Anita Blake (Guilty Pleasures)
But stop reading after the first novel.
>>7989631
Yes, they didn't curse at all because they aren't swine when around their family members.
Not the YA problematic cuck reading female strong lead anon btw.
>>7989632
Swear words don't mix very well quality literature for the most part, I haven't read any that use curses and would consider a good book so far.
>>7989636
>I haven't read any that use curses and would consider a good book so far.
Lies of Locke Lamora
>>7989629
Sabriel
>>7989638
Yeah, I said good
>>7989629Discworld
>>7989642
Oh look, it's the contrarian 'I only like dead authors and pulp' guy again.
>>7989644
Isn't that like 40+ novels?
female MCs are a big immersion breaker.
Females can't write and shouldn't be mains because it's unrealistic.
>>7989645
Having taste isn't being a contrarian son, if I wanted to be one I'd go to reddit where people are known for shit taste and not here as this wasn't infested with retards when it started.
>>7989636
>Wanting strong female leads makes me a cuck
I know how sexist this site can be but come on.
>>7989646
Well yeah, but a good portion of them have female protagonists. Most notably Monstrous Regiment and Witches Abroad (and its various sequels),
>What's wrong with erikson, /lit/?
>shit prose
>well which fantasy writers write better then?
>those two guys only
okay...
>>7989665
And they don't even write better, just more pretentious.
>>7989670
I havent seen one modern author do a character intro on the level as the Chef in Titus Groan so stop talking shit
>>7989676
i think his point was
>give erikson a tidal wave of shit
>can only come up with two people in the genre who are better
>>7989665
A bunch do, I just didn't feel like giving the same list for the 3rd time this thread.
It's thousands of pages across 5 authors and we'll soon add GKK, Delany and Wright to the meme list so finding something across those authors is hardly a problem.
>>7989676
Peake is a seriously underappreciated author, he's one of the best modernists l know of. It's also quite unique as a mixture of Proust and a drawn out saga. Too bad he died young.
http://bestfantasybooks.com/top25-fantasy-books-for-women.html
Guy Gavriel is in that list.
I don't know anyone can seriously recommend him.
>>7989703
>Gavriel Kay has never written a bad fantasy novel. He always populates his worlds with fully realized characters. His female characters are always strong, with sassy personalities and strong intelligence.
I don't see the problem?
>>7989708
>Write a guy
>call it a girl
>this now constitutes to good writing
FFS
>>7989712
>sassy personalities
>guys
In Sanderson maybe.
>>7989719
>gritty when a male does it
>sassy when it's a female
>>7989703
There are a lot of bad lists with good books. Goodreads top 100 with all the shit that it has on it has Tolstoy and Dostoevsky. There are often elements that plebs will like and lists like that should always be ignored.
>>7989737
Like "strong" female "protagonists"
>>7989089
Honestly, Sanderson is miles ahead of Erikson.
Sanderson's prose actually makes sense and doesn't detract from the story, even if it is workmanlike. Because plotting and worldbuilding are his strong points, he presents the smallest possible barrier between the reader and the story. Better than Erikson shooting himself in the foot with his overwrought attempts at dense prose.
>>7989647
What a faggot.
>>7989703
Aren't you getting bored of this by now?
>>7989665
Are you fucking retarded? The list of literary fantasy authors is posted every 5 minutes in these threads.
>>7989681
Nobody asked for an exhaustive list of authors who can write well. I could name 50. The respondent asked for *recommendations*, and I provided some.
>>7989703
Thanks for this list, greatly appreciated.
>>7989928
Now you know what to avoid.
>>7989929
The exact opposite I'm afraid.
>>7989703
>books for girls
>it's not entirely full of of cute boys doing cute things
>>7989966
Cute x doing cute things is a thing that appeals to men
Women like drama heavy shit much heavy
Why are men incapable of writing proper female characters?
Is it that they have never interacted with them?
They are all cliches or troupes or something
>>7990012
what are the cliches aside from the tough girl and the manic pixie one?
>>7990012
Why are females incapable of writing proper anything?
>>7990022
Why are you a virgin?
>>7990024
>false assumptions
Not an argument
>>7990017
Brandon Sanderson writes the same girl.
Every book.
>>7990030
And what is that?
>>7990028
Not him, but I doubt very much you are not a virgin.
Do youeven have a life outside of thisthread because you seem to be lurking here 24/7 constantly shitposting about women.
>>7990037
All my posts have been on topic, I don't know what you're on about.
>>7990031
The smart, strong, hot, snarky girl.
>>7990140
>Vin
>hot
>>7990146
>he doesn't want to fuck Vin in the ass
gay
![John-C-Wright-600x347[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2E6hvri.jpg "John-C-Wright-600x347[1].jpg")
>I was represented by a historical record number of nominations for my short fiction: no one in his right mind can look at my archaic diction, concern for the highest philosophical matters, erudite allusion to the classics, and consummate craftsmanship and claim my work is not literary, but that grotesque experimental stories about lesbian were-seals being splashed by dinosaur water from nowhere onto Tibetan gay men when the world flips upside down because a punk loser lost his cheating harlot because priests murder people is literary.
>>7990154
He is right mostly. He is a good writer, but gives himself a bit too much credit.
>>7990154
Is this the Rohtfuss of science fiction?
>>7990156
No, because his writing is good. Not great, but on Hyperion level.
>>7990154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVzvJGjvE_Y
Pretty interesting interview
Based on what i have here recommend me some shit.
>>7988843
None of other two books had anything as melancholic as Suldrun's arc. The second book is a great adventure, the third tied up some loose ends in a very rushed manner but overall a good finish.
>>7990184
Did you manually name all those folders?
>>7990184
Are you saying you already read all of those?
>>7990184
It's sorted by title instead of author. How do you live with yourself/are you using software to organize this?
>>7990184
>The
Isn't it standard to do the "the" behind the word as (the)
Because your way does not seem the proper way.
Hope I worded it out well enough, English isn't native to me
>>7985908
The Diamond Age
which i think is good btw
>>7987714
No follow through.
His stories are quite slow, but he gets there. The characters almost always turn out to be really intriguing and they keep you invested in the story.
But he abandons his cast at the end of every book, starting the character building again from scratch. Eventually you'll hit a character you don't like, and you'll have no reason to stick around. The overarching plot is just not given the focus it needs.
