>7963174
Marc Aramini getting a Hugo? /lit/ shitposters doing something with their lives
Recommendation Charts:
>Fantasy
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>Sci-Fi
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>Hugo, Puppies, Wolfe, Aramini, Wright, cucks
HUGO NOMS:
http://midamericon2.org/home/hugo-awards-and-wsfs/2016-hugo-finalists/
>>7968907
This Marc guy looks like some kid from Jersey Shore lel
Guys, I seriously need something new to read. I still can't believe I wasted my money on Soldier of Arete when I didn't even like Soldier of the Mist
What's some good asian-inspired fantasy?
>>7968940
Bridge of Birds
>>7968940
Look for that question in the last thread. Can we get an Asian-inspired fantasy infographic?
>>7968946
By which I mean let's gather books for an infographic which I will make.
>>7968940
I haven't read it but the guy who translated The Three-Body Problem into English coined the phrase "silkpunk" w.r.t. his new book.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/author-ken-liu-explains-silkpunk-to-us-1717812714
There's also this author I heard about from someone.
https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/4632661.Zen_Cho
>>7968939
Probably not the best choice of clothes for a video on literature
Tell me about a cool concept in a fantasy or sci-fi book that you particularly liked, /lit/.
Any good recent dying earth stories? I'll even take just recent.
>>7968960
Part of the magic available to women is a form of telepathic bond. Normally the bond is only formed after a lengthy ritual, but there's a genetic defect where a girl will automatically force a bond with nearby women and permanently join their personalities, forming a hivemind. Men can't get too close because the rat-queens are good at emotion magic, women that get too close get added, so they're generally dealt with by radioactive dust from a distance.
>>7968968
John C. Wright's Night Land shorts. Also Greg Bear did a Dying Earth novel, but I haven't read it.
>Golden Son didn't make the nom
I hope Jemisin is happy.She's never happy.
At least Pierce Brown can still get the Campbell. Whatever you want to say about Red Rising, Golden Son was incredible.
>>7968988
>Young Adult shit
Nah.
>>7968960
I really enjoyed the concept of The Wild in the Traitor Son cycle. Fairly unique way of creating fantasy monsters.
![Zegapain_Ep13_New_Wizard_[720p,BluRay,x264]_-_WiKi.mkv_000158.768.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0Wm3DYa.jpg "Zegapain_Ep13_New_Wizard_[720p,BluRay,x264]_-_WiKi.mkv_000158.768.jpg")
>>7968992
>Golden Son
>Young adult
It is anime though.
>>7968907
Does Aramini actually come here?
>>7969007
Not sure where you're looking but it does have a epub/mobi version around.
>>7969002
fuck me
>>7969002
So if Space Raptor Butt Invasion were tagged "classic" would you have to defend it as a classic?
>>7969007
Maybe you need to have immigrant parents or something but I was underwhelmed by Liu's The Paper Menagerie.
>>7969022
Nice fallacy bud.
>>7969027
>YA is bad
>Golden Son is YA
>Golden Son is bad
Yeah, don't see any fallacies there.
>>7969032
Neither do I, good we agree.
>>7969025
I was too, but there were two good stories in it: the one about chinese prospectors and the one about fox girl who became a fucking transformer
>>7968997
Elaborate, baka.
>>7969001
Who do you think made this thread? Is Aramini even known to anyone but Aramini?
Anyone know any good sci-fi time travel books that are set in the modern day or near future?
I'm looking for ones that focus on the science of time travel and the effects of it. I want something that doesn't involve travelling to years in the past or set in a fantasy setting.
I just ordered Quantum Break Zero State which is based on the game Quantum Break, something along the lines of that is what I am looking for.
Finding new books to read is fucking hard
>>7969052
Not really.
>>7969050
>good time-travel books
There's your problem.
>>7969050
A lot of sci-fi books have time travelthrough time dilation.:-)
>>7969007
Here you go senpai
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005ISOYLK/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3VKZ1X2BXLWKG&coliid=I3HPEEA9H8ECU4
Bridge of Birds is first of a trilogy
>>7969057
I know, but there has to be some out there
>>7969052
Depends how high your standards are.
>>7969080
There was that 70s-80s one that's just about the guy getting time travel and realizing he doesn't like godhood, and so he ends up in a room with fifty other versions of him all having a lemon party, and there was The Time Traveler's Wife, some people liked that, I remember that one had the guy using time travel for gay selfcest too.
>>7969097
The Time Traveler's Wife is one of the worst books I've ever read. Granted, I was 15 at the time.
>>7969070
thanks anon
>>7969050
The Anubis Gates
11-22-63
>>7969109
I was also a teenager and hated it. I remember it was one of the only books I skipped to the end. I guess he accidentally teleported in front of his in-laws while they were hunting and got shot or something?
>>7969097
>I remember that one had the guy using time travel for gay selfcest too
I don't even...
The Time Travellers Wife looks somewhat decent, but it isn't really what I am looking for.
Guess I will have to do some research on Google and Goodreads to find some good ones.
THE TIME HAS COME
>>7969122
It was just one scene IIRC. The book was crap for other reasons.
>>7969118Yep, he gets killed by them by accident. He had also time travelled far into the future and bangs his wife when she's old. Really shitty, forced romance, imo.
>>7969143
That reminds me of another present-day time-travel novel, where everyone on Earth gets a vision of what they'll be doing twenty years in the future for a few seconds. It was really boring, but the main character is also banging his elderly wife in the future.
>>7968960
The SEP field from HGttG.
I'm not exactly sure why, but it seemed like a really funny, and at the same time functional, idea. Granted, there's not much you can do with it outside of camouflaging shit, but still...
>>7969038
Well, kind of hard to explain but... The book takes place in old medieval England, it's basically King Arthur, I guess.
The Wild is a force of magic opposite to God. The creatures there are just nightmarish abominations that eat each other's souls in an orgy of violence. Men push The Wild back by burning the forests, but the forests regrow and the creatures return. Endless cycle that humans are losing. They want to eat us, I guess because we have extra juicy souls.
>>7969168
SEP field was where they painted it pink right? With the story about the dude shipping away a mountain?
>>7969149
flashforward?
>>7969184
Yeah, that's the one. Neat concept, but it bored me to tears. I don't even remember how they reconciled the flash-forward proving free will doesn't exist with people committing suicide to get out of their drab future lives.
>>7969179
Yeah. This magician bet his life he could make a mountain invisible. The point was that an SEP would have saved him a lot of time and mortality.
>>7969179
Not sure, a pink elephant was used as an example, but it was used to hide Slartibartfast's ship in front of everyone's faces.
>A S.E.P. can work in much the same way in dangerous or uninhabitable environments. Any problem which may present itself to a person inside an S.E.P. (such as not being able to breathe, due to a lack of atmosphere) will become Somebody Else's.
Now i remember why i liked it so much.
>>7969173
Sounds like the Fae in Coldfire.
>>7969215
Never read coldfire. What's their deal?
>>7968960
I'm writing one, but I think it sounds too much like Vance.
>>7968992
Implying you don't still secretly enjoy young adult shit a little
>>7969325
>a little
>“Safe Space as Rape Room” by Daniel Eness (castaliahouse.com)
>SJWs Always Lie: Taking Down the Thought Police by Vox Day (Castalia House)
>Perfect State by Brandon Sanderson >(Dragonsteel Entertainment)
>>7969521
Name a better comic book from last year.SSSS, I know.
>>7969507
Yeah, at least last year was somewhat about the merit of the work, this is just a cringey pissing contest.
>>7969571
>Article exposing the rampant pedophilia in SFF writers and fandom
>pissing contest
>>7969600
Whats the problem with that?
>>7969571
At least I get to append Hugo Nominee to my name even if they No Award the shit out of me.
Do the ends justify the means? Probably.
you can't make this shit up
I thought about reading 2nd and 3rd Dune book in order to read God Emperor but then I remembered I forgot most of what the first one was about... I remembersand people were commandos and Sardaukars were basically Dune version of Iraq's 'Elite Republican Guard' in Gulf War and that protag was some sort of prophet Jesushammad figure that... won? I'm too lazy to read all that shit again. Can't even remember what happened to most of them.
>>7969623
It's just a pity you BLaS had to be up this year, when the whole puppy drama hangs over everything. It's good enough to get the nod purely on its own terms, but having shit like space Raptor Butt Invasion just drags everyone down.
>>7969173
Thanks for recommendation, just started, and it's pretty decent :)
Why do you keep bringing up fucking reward shows to this thread?
Why?
Why the retarded idiotic adviceanimals meme for the opening picture
What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>7969664
We apologize for the interruption and will now return to our regularly programmed Dark Souls and why women can't write.
>>7969651
I really enjoyed it, but man it was bizarrely difficult for me to get into. Haven't really read any books like that before, like almost a historical non fiction tone with some "by the blood of jesus christ!" shit going on but with magic bears
>>7969667
Fuck off you fucking retard and take your reward shows and identity politics somewhere else, can't believe even the smallest of boards have to deal with this vile shit
>>7969202
>greentext
Now i want to include that in my story as a sort of literal plot device that later gets destroyed to avoid people saying "why didn't they just use that to take the bad guy out?".
>>7969507
Best Related Work should be restricted to books about genre fiction. No blogposts or fan drama allowed.
>>7969650
I signed the contract before the Hugo debacle of last year ... if Castalia didn't publish it, it wouldn't be up at all. No one I sent it to reviewed it, no other publisher was interested. Vox didn't give me the run around, he took it and my editor helped me immensely in formatting, etc, so even though ideologically I am not quite aligned with every aspect of my publisher, I DON'T have to agree with my friends, and they don't have to agree with me, as long as we like each other. Between Light and Shadow would never have been nominated without Vox, and that is certain. If my loyalty to someone who has given me exposure costs me, so be it. At least I know that I had integrity, and refusing the nomination makes no sense for an obscure work like mine - I believe it deserves to be there, and it is there. Justice is *almost* served.
>>7969679
>avatarfagging
>not vile
/sffg/ I have two similar ideas for a short story, help me pick which one to go with
>Two childhood friends fall in love, but the girl is a werelion and any transformation could be her last. Worse, the leoanthropy gene is dominant and having a child is a coin flip
or
>in ancient Amazonia, a child set fire to one of the rare sacred trees that allow Amazons to give birth through parthenogenesis and for that she was cursed to become a were lion and banished until she brings back a sacred sapling
>>7969507
Ideologies aside Vox is a retard, no matter how you look at him. John "Korrasami in the trash" Wright is at least intelligent.
>>7969808
Yeah but he's our retard.
>>7969808
Our dark knight.
Having every successful scifi/fantasy writer being a straight white male is a problem. Without diverse influences art becomes a stale echo chamber
There are so many dull european epic fantasies, dresden clones, supernatural romances, steampunk detectives, space operas and dystopias that unless we adapt, and diversify SFF is doomed
>>7969808
John C Wright is the personification of fedoradom.
>>7969808
Is Wright as pompous in his novels as he is on his blog?
>>7969852
So why haven't SJW types written any diverse scifi/fantasy novels, let alone successful ones? Is it because they're a bunch of no talent hacks whose only skill in life is crying and demanding other people give in to their demands?
>>7969869
He uses elevated vocabulary, but it doesn't break immersion, at least not in the pre-Castalia novels.
>>7969869
More so lately, he used to be pretty solid back in the Golden Age/War of the Dreaming days.
>>7969867
>hat an' beard
Every time.
>>7969892
Jeminsin
>>7969892
Butler? Delany? Do these names mean anything to you?
Including different sexualities and ethnicities in your work is just the start. Too much SF is utterly conventional in style and form.
>>7969852
Patently false. What matters is never the author, but the idea. Card, Correia, Sanderson, Hickman, Mull, and McClellan are not only white and straight but Mormon, an incredibly conformist group. Do they all write the same things? In the same way? From the same perspective? Are you literally incapable of separating the work from the author?
why do you people manage to take the stalest day 1 bait and fall for it
>>7968907
>>7969679
This is literally the day they released the nominations. It's like asking /a/ on a Sunday in 2008 to not talk about Code Geass.
http://www.steven-erikson.com/index.php/on-authorial-intent/
>>7968949
There's at least one anon other than me suggesting the Feist/Wurts Empire Trilogy.
>>7969922
The works of white authors will be better if the works of nonwhite authors are more prevalent. Ideas don't spring fully-formed from the void, but are cobbled together from many different influences. The more varied influences there are, the more combinations are possible. It's simple permutation theory
>>7968940
The braided path
>>7969953
That's implying both that there is something fundamentally different about one's thought processes if one has more melanin in their skin, and that that difference is greater than the other factors affecting their thought processes. You might as well ask for more SFF authors who were alphas in high school, or who know how to program, or who have military experience.
>>7969852
This is the most racist fucking thing I've ever read, and I went to /pol/ once.
>>7969965
The fundamental difference is culture, not race, and different cultural influences create different fantasy and scifi.
Do you know how few native american fantasy stories there are? I want some shit with wendigos and Quetzecoatl. Where the fuck are the french-and-indian war epic fantasies from a native perspective?
>>7969972
how the fuck is that racist? I'm saying we need fresh cultural perspectives to keep shit from getting stale! I'm fucking white and I'm saying that!
>>7969922
You understand that all the authors you listed are horrifically bad, and in the same plebby way, right?
>>7969983
Actually, very similar cultural influences create different fantasy and sci-fi. Turns out you don't need to be something to write about something! It's disappointing because it means Heinlein was not an alien and Asimov was probably not a robot, but them's the breaks. You want a native American fantasy series? Servant of the Underworld, Aliette de Bodard. French-Vietnamese, so she definitely didn't have to be Aztec to write it. You're welcome.
>>7969994
You seem to be unable to separate race from culture. Say "I'm middle-class American and saying that!" instead.
>>7970001
And they are all white! I think we are on to something here.
>>7970001
If you want to generalize past credibility, sure, none of them are Wolfe, granted.
>>7969994
Race matters jack-shit you dipwad. You're essentially saying you can only write a character, or about a culture, that you belong to. So a man can't write a woman, or a white author can't write about black culture. It's retarded beyong description.
>>7969852
This is some uneducated shit, anon. Pick up a Literature 101 textbook at the very least.
>muh authorial intent
>>7970006
Are you sure heinlein wasn't an alien? I don't see how a human could write starship troopers, stranger in a strange land, and time enough for love
>>7969953
Actually, the difference in experience between members of the same race can be much greater than the difference in experience between members of different races. So what you're trying to say is that more people should write, period, and I agree.
>>7970006
The only proof for Asimov not being a robot was that he somehow didn't foresaw telephones being a big part of the future, or he chose to leave long-distance communication out of focus a lot of the time. And even that's debatable.
>>7970016
>>7970006
The point isn't that people can't write about other cultures, but many details are lost because people are on the outside looking in.
Case in point: most of how we picture vikings comes from a non-scandanavian perspective. If you read the norse perspective however, you learn shit like how the men obsessively braided their hair and beards or how it wasn't uncommon to have to give up your dream of being a lawyer to settle for a job as a professional musician like a mature adult.
STOP FALLING FOR OBVIOUS BAIT
goddamnit
![Vinland Saga Ch.112 The Duty of Revenge [KissManga].zip-019.png](https://i.imgur.com/7NZJ1Fi.png "Vinland Saga Ch.112 The Duty of Revenge [KissManga].zip-019.png")
>>7970046
That's the point, you learn that and then you can write about it. Nobody alive has met a Viking. Nobody has a monopoly on Viking knowledge. And that is especially true for elves and Martians. Being black will not help me write better elves.
>>7970072
Speaking of vikings, is there any good fantasy involving nordic gods?
>>7970078
American Gods was actually pretty good on that point.
>>7970072
But being a woman will surely help you write better tea-drinking scenes where you explain how cool not having a language with genders is!
>>7970087
How the fuck was Ann Leckie nominated?
Is China Mieville the only modern fantasy author who lifts?
>>7970078
Glen Cook's Instrumentalities of the Night. Takes a while for the Nordic elements to appear. The whole thing is the not-Crusades, set in not-Eurasia. With norse gods thrown in.
>>7970095
Lots of marketing and general accessibility, same way Scalzi keeps making the shortlist.
>>7970072
You need to learn that before you can write it! Everything we create is a reflection of our experiences. Different beliefs, different practices and different environments create unique experiences that can only be taught to others through expression. You can create something you've never experienced but it will always be a rehashed version of your own experiences.
Try to imagine a new color, or an animal with new limbs unlike any you've ever seen in your life (no claws, tentacles, hands, paws, wheels, branches, or plungers)
And for the record, Elves and Martians are LITERALLY the same idea recycled in space: Intelligent humanoids from another world who are indifferent to humanity but periodically abduct people for strange reasons
>>7970114
you argue like a nigger
no offense
>>7970119
and YOU'RE calling ME racist?
What are some novels similar to Dune? I really enjoyed the gritty, brutal feel of that universe.
>>7970125
All he did was call you a nigger. You said that it's impossible for people with certain skin colors to have certain perspectives, and called the entire spectrum of Eurogenic science fiction and fantasy bland because of their skin color.
>>7970072
Being black would help you write better orcs though.
>>7970129
No I didn't you're putting words in my mouth while simultaneously spouting racial slurs. You're either a racist moron with no self-awareness or a troll, but considering this is 4chan it's likely both
>>7970136
Oh no, a racial slur, what ever will happen now, oh no how horrible
>>7970135
Bakker writes pretty good orcs and he's white
>>7970125
>Implying people don't learn these things before they write them
You're a complete dunce. A real ignoramus, a pretentious imbecile who said and thought the "right things" coming up in the post 9-11 world and thinks he's some enlightened sparkling star who is here to free others from their ignorance, shedding warm tolerant light from your anus - which sometimes you let other men fuck teehee wow edgy! - as if they don't already know better than you.
Sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and realize you're not a messianic helper, you're a noisy twit with a stick up your ass.
>>7970136
You objectively did do exactly what he described. You're not very self-aware, are you?
You people never are.
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>>7970104
too bad he is a socialist. would he share those muscles with his impoverished skinny cohort? I dunno.
>>7969994
Of course you're white.
Only upper middle-class white kids says stupid, racist bullshit like that.
>>7970104
>not posting peak drinks-pouring China
Probably. Not just fantasy, though, he's done a hard sci-fi and... whatever This Census-Taker was.
>>7970125
There is literally nothing racist about calling someone a nigger.
>>7970181
Exterminate all whites ASAP.
enough /pol/posting. lets go back to talking about books.
>>7969787
bumping. Which is less shitty
http://www.amazon.com/Slammed-Butt-Hugo-Award-Nomination-ebook/dp/B01EUC93RE/
>>7970234
He cant keep getting away with this.
>>7970234
>>7970232
Would read second one, but I also read The Elfstones of Shannara, so take that as you will.
>>7970307
Additionally, would watch anime of the first one.
>>7969787
>both about werelions
wouldn't read either sorry pal
>>7970323
Werelions was where it all started. I'm a concept-first writer.
>>7970334
I can accept that.
>>7970334
Is it bestiality if you are a werelion?
>>7970364
only if you fuck their lion or half-lion form
>>7970125
No, I'm calling you a nigger and a retarded white Bernie voting American teenager.
>>7968940
Under Heaven and River of Stars
>>7969237
Sorry, went to sleep.
I'll just copypaste a brief bit from the Wiki because I'm only finished with the first book and not sure when I'll read the other two in the trilogy:
>the Fae is a vast energy field that comes from within and around Erna to envelop its surface. Some individuals are possessed of the ability to manipulate, or Work it, to perform spectacular feats of magical ability
Essentially, the world that the Fae are on was the only world in the Galaxy that humans were able to settle on, and it works on a 'belief' system like as example during night time if you exhibit fear/fright/etc, more 'monsters' will appear. That is a poor way of explaining it on my end but it's done fairly well.
>>7969521
There's a phone game too or something.
>>7968934
I always thought Marc seemed like a cool guy from the Gene Wolfe threads he posted in and his analysis of The Fifth Head of Cerberus is on point. But holy jesus shit, everything else on that page makes me feel ill. I've never been really into the happening and current science-fiction scene. Why does a shortlist of what's meant to be the best of the best resemble the /v/ catalog? It's all social justice wars and Captain Mary Sue kicks alien ASS but it's all an analogy for the Tienanmen Square incident.
Why?
>>7970655
Should have included this in the previous post but another example is that when humans settled on the planet, there was another primitive human-like race that existed. Humans were a bit worried/scared over that race rivaling them or becoming more powerful, or some such (don't remember exact details) so because humanity actively thought this to such an extent, it changed the molecular makeup of that race drastically over something like three generations to where they would be inferior to humans.
>>7970655
Although that idea isn't as rare as you think it might be.
Shinsekai Yori has a pretty similar system and theme to CF going on, with equivalents for the Rakh/evolution by subconscious andand by the end of book three they have a 'can only use magic if saving life' thing which can be compared to SY's death feedback going on. What's interesting is how different authors attempt to conceive of resolving imagination based systems for example CF sticks toTarrant'smonotheistic 'single god' model andmurder of infantsor just discouraging the practice whereas SY practices themurder of infantsand1984/Brave New World tier mindrape to ensure obedience.
I'm still fucking mad that at the end of ColdfireTarrant and Damien never travelled to Earth as I was expecting full scifi divergence but it stayed soft scifi.
Then there's the softer imagination based/Cognitive systems like Sanderson's use of Spren or the Ix and Fain in the Last Dragon Chronicles (read that shit as a child many years ago) so I guess many authors use those ideas but tweak it such that it fits the world that they want to portray - whether forgiving or non forgiving.
>>7970687
>Shinsekai Yori
One of my favourite anime of all time.
Best series written by female?
>>7970687
>Although that idea isn't as rare as you think it might be
I didn't mean to imply that, if I did. Coldfire was just the first example I thought of in that context. There is even Death Gate Cycle's magic system being based on possibilities, which I thought was pretty cool.
How is the overall Coldfire trilogy, specifically the second and third books? I enjoyed the first book--perhaps a hair above-average in personal taste--but I felt like it took a lot to get through the book and I'm not sure why. Maybe the pacing was slow? Although there WAS a lot of stuff happening. I did like the way Friedman described emotions involving any character or concept and definitely think that she probably does that in one of the best ways in which I have read. A part of me wants to read your spoiler and overall, not bother with the last two books--mainly due to an already-huge backlog--but the other part of me wants to keep it as a surprise.
Yeah, apparently Spren were around before the Shattering too (Seons on Sel are basically the same thing too, iirc, just a different form of spren). Guess we'll see where those ultimately lead up to.
>>7970697
Farseer by Hobb
>>7970701
Stop saying this meme, it's awful.
>>7970706
>obsession
I just want to know the best what women can write.
And then laugh because it's probably Sanderson level at best.
>>7970706
>Where does the obsession with women writers come from?
It is /pol/ b8.
>>7970693
It's definitely worth reading Coldfire if you like it then. Coldfire and SY are quite alike in ideas but it is interesting how both stories deal with the Post Earth fallout in different ways.
>>7970700
>How is the overall Coldfire trilogy, specifically the second and third books?
I liked the second and third books but they aren't as GOAT as the first one. Second one is a bit filler-ish. Third one suffers from one trope that I particularly dislike and I didn't like the romance in it. However, the ending is GOAT.
>>7970709
Le Guin. Although her best aren't series of novels and you should look outside sff, Flannery O'Connor for example.
>>7970711
So they're both inferior to BSR? Kind of assumed that. Maybe it's a natural occurrence with most trilogies. Is the second book filler because ofthem going to confront the BAD THING that probably isn't as significant to the overall plot as assumed?What trope is involved in the third book? I'm not too keen on the romance either;thought that Damien's love for Ciani was a bit forced.
>>7970720
How much worse than Sanderson is she?
>>7970697
I thought Jonathan Strange & Mr Norell by Susanna Clarke was a really good novel. It's not a series though.
>>7970721
>So they're both inferior to BSR
Yeah, this is Locke Lamora all over again but not to such a significant degree. BSR is clearly designed to be standalone, though, but the benefit of reading all three is that Tarrant gets some characterisation.
Second book deals with what you expected in the first book but didn't get. Third book goes soft scifi.
With regards to Ciani, Friedman ultimately decidesnever to show her again which is pretty surprising because I thought that she was Friedman's Shallan.
Spoiler tags get progressively more spoilery with spoilers for the ending of the third book by spoiler 4. The trope involved in the third book isimportant to the plotandinvolves the trope known as Char Cloneandof the character Tarrantandwho has basically been breeding an exact copy of himself for all of milennia via selective breedingandunfortunately for the readers his distant relative is a fucking annoying drug addicted bratandwho spends all book wooing the girl that Gerald spent time in the forestand thus making me fucking annoyedthe annoying shit got introduced in the first place for the explicit purpose of disappointing my expectations in the outcomeand then theultimate clincher is annoying ass brat with a victim complex does everything wrong by killing the most interesting character in the book, slanders his name, causes a biblioclasm and he's supposed to get his personality taken over but holy shit it never happens.. The most frustrating thing isthe ending gets plot twisted so hard that I kept getting falling for the bait.
>>7970760
wut
I like this kind of discussion, it gets me interested in stuff.
I highly encourage anyone reading or having finished something write a impression post on it here, we need more of that kind of thing.
>>7970759
Fuck it I'll read the spoilers. I've owned this goddamn trilogy for like five years and I've only recently read the first book.My backlog is a disaster and continues to grow, even.So here I g-go!
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SoCiani doesn't appear beyond the first book? That's really surprising and a peculiar decision.
Why wasTarrant trying to make a copy of himself? I thought that he hadcharacterization to a decent degree in the first bookbut I can understand fleshing him out more. I'm assuminganti-Tarrant killed Damien? What happens in the overall ending? Sounds like a disaster, honestly. I doubt I'll even pick them back up. Fuck that horseshit. I specifically hateterrible character getting away with terrible deeds because fuck you that's why.
>>7970747
Sanderson can't write for shit, she has elegant characterisation and supremely well thought out anthropology. I'm by no means a big fan, but it's impossible to deny she has a respectable degree of quality.
>>7970777
Cianiyeah it really is a peculiar decision.
It's never explicitly stated butTarrant let whichever one of his descendants look the most like him survive and killed the rest. There are multiple explanations for why he does this. The first explanation is he does it because he's an egotist and sadist, the second explanation is that Damien thinks that Tarrant can be redeemed because he couldn't bear to let himself go and the third explanation which is my personal opinion, is that much like a time travel story Tarrant keeps his lookalikes around because he is unable to let go of the idea that if he had made a decision differently he could have decided to become someone other than the Hunter.
And with regards to Damienno he doesn't kill Damien, Tarrant clone kills Tarrant. Which is frustrating mostly because of the amount of falseflagging going on.Firstly it looks like Tarrant kills himself in self sacrifice, which Damien saves him from.Secondly it looks like he dies at the hands of his 'clone' but then that turns out to be an elaborate arrangement between Tarrant and his clone so he 'dies' in the minds of the people.And then they let the entire forest burns down which means no more records of what really happened on Earth but it also turns out that Tarrant survives as long as he renounces his identity.Then there is his Hunter persona walking around as an Iezu and the fact that nobody can communicate with the Fae at all unless under specific circumstances...
>>7970819
What happened tomake Damien think he can be redeemed? Seems like a notable personality shift on Damien's part.
>Tarrant clone kills Tarrant
Oh shit. That does seem really dumb.How does his Hunter persona stick around?And what's up with the Fae? Did Tarrant's death block the ability to use the Fae or something?
>>7970822
>make Damien think he can be redeemed? Seems like a notable personality shift on Damien's part.
There are a lot of little incidents dropped in the second and the third book, however most notablyTarrant 'accidentally' discloses the future to another character shifting the future to a more positive outcome and invalidating the bargain.
>How does his Hunter persona stick aroundIt's purposefully left vague as to whether or not that even is the Hunter or his persona or Andrys or Gerald but you have to read the third book carefully to figure out who he is and make up your own interpretation. But apparently the truth was is out because a fan asked who the guy was. And he's an Iezu but you have to read the third book to figure out how that worksbecauseIezu's are alien lifeforms that their mother created to communicate with humanity by extricating specific aspects of humans. Thus Iezus are half human constructs and the Hunter Iezu regards Gerald as his 'dad' and the Hunter persona gets displaced into the Iezu. Presumably his descendant/clone - Andrys - is now free of his fate.. Due tothe sacrifice that Gerald makes no one can work the Fae without being willing to sacrifice their life for the altruistic deed. Tarrant 'technically' survives but he gives up his identity.
>>7970843
Oh yeah,he could read the future or some such. Okay.
Huh. That's all mildly intriguing. So at the end,Tarrant made it so where you could only work the Fae for 'good' intentions? Since you mentioned altruism and sacrificing life.
Thanks for explaining everything.
>>7970904Which makes you wonder if he knew that he had to have an exit strategy in mind which was why he was grooming Andrys/descendant boy to kill him and take over as the Hunter.
At the end:>How many sorcerers would practice their Art when death was the price of a Working? How many men would be willing to part with their lives as casually as they had once parted with books, or artifacts, or even the lives of others? Those few who might dare to Work wouldn’t be men of greed or cowardice now; the new rules would scare those away. Perhaps one man in a million would dare to pay the price the fae demanded, to serve a higher goal. Perhaps. As for the rest, they would observe that the fae was now a distant force, unWorkable ... and slowly the fae would respond to that belief, and become so in truth. As it had changed after Casca’s sacrifice, so it would change again.So they can only Work if they are willing to die..
>>7970930
>>7970933So he essentially reverted the planet back to an Earth-like planet instead of the magical place they had settled on. I guess that would be satiable as a conclusion.
>>7970938
Yeah he did. Of course the ending was much more open ended than I made it out to be.
Don't know if this series is any good or not but the Kindle version is currently free on Amazon
The Decent series by SM Reine
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B009YADS38/ref=pe_385721_130328741_TE_M1DP
>>7971145
>That cover
The fuck do you think? And every ebook is free.
>>7971153
>That cover
Autist
>And every ebook is free.
Degenerate poorfag scum
>>7971158
Go back Reddit.
>>7971159
I'm not the retard that judges a book based on the picture on the cover.
I'm also not so poor I can't afford the few $ an ebook costs on Amazon.
The only person that belongs on Reddit is your retarded degenerate poorfag ass.
>>7971168
Reddit is where they read books like that bud, you seem to have gotten lost.
>>7971171
Whatever you say, kiddo.
Any female author recommendations?
>>7971176
Females can't write.
>>7971179
Thought so already.
Still wondering though.
Maybe at least one is at least Sanderson's anime level.
>>7971181
I haven't read it but Mists of Avalon is supposedly decent. Probably your best bet, bonus points if you like the Arthurian legend.
>>7971189
>marion zimmer
just look at her "feminist" haircut.
Can't take her serious.
>>7971176
C. J. Cherryh.
Don't come back until you've read her entire body of work.
>>7971217
>read through 60 YA trash before you can comment
LOL
She looks like a drug addict.
>>7971226
Is your life really that sad that you lurk these threads all day to shitpost about female authors?
>>7971226
>LOL
I'm glad you were amused, my friend.
Communicate to me what you enjoy reading about and I'll attempt a recommendation.
>>7971236
Maybe you should read real literature instead of shit.
The reason why so much today is shit is because of women ruining it and buying shit en masse.
If you don't write to comform to females you simply don't get published at all.
And women have objectively worse tastes.
>>7971247
DUDE
MISOGYNY
LMAO
>>7971236
its not even that shes female, honestly. didnt she write a series about furries in space
>>7971256
I don't know. Are aliens with characteristics somewhat reminiscent of certain non-sentient earth based life forms considered to be furries now?
>>7971273
this is my fav one.
>>7971256
HAHAHAHAHA
Did I really get some female author recommended who writes furry.
LOL
>best female author according to ones who recommend
>it's fucking furry trash
Lol, women can't write for shit
just saying
>>7971278
thats a bit unfair lol.
ursula leguinn, robin hobb, madeleine l'engle, terry windling and connie willis are all solid lady sff writers
>>7971285
If you have low standards maybe.
>>7971277
It is good, but it doesn't help my case...
>>7971280
I learned something new today, thank you.
>>7971289
Le Guin passes the high standards, but not the highest.
>>7971314
i missed the part in the dictionary where sentience was defined by "being able to pass a mirror test"
/pol/ was a mistake
>>7971325
How can a being that's not self aware be sentient?
>>7971314
what specifically do you dislike about their writing?
>>7971333
since when is being self aware defined by being able to recognize yourself in the mirror? are you saying my cat doesnt know she exists?
>>7971278
>HAHAHAHAHA
>Did I really get some female author recommended who writes furry.
>LOL
Laughter is good for your health. If furries amuse you so much, I recommend Hestia.
>>7971327
This
>>7971347
hahahaha ok. keep doing what youre doing, later
Is Hobb actually good? Asking senior Wolfags and other patricians for assessment.
So I posted yesterday asking for time travel sci-fi that is set in the modern day that focuses on time travel and the science of it. No one knew of any good books so I did some research on Google, Amazon and Goodreads.
This is a list of a few books I found that seem to be good and involve what I was looking for. I have ordered Quantum Break: Zero State, which is based on a video game of the same name. The story and science involved in it was pretty interesting in the game, so I will look forward to reading it.
>>7971427
Good for a female, not good for a writer.
>>7971428
Nothing on the bottom row is good and top row also looks very suspect.
>>7971427
She's shit
>>7971434
But anon, you haven't even read them. Are you another one of these people that bases how good a book on by the picture on the cover?
>>7971427
Nah dropped after Assassin's Apprentice and my discernment bar is far from elitist.
>>7971437
Nope, a cover doesn't tell you whether a book is good. But it can tell you that it is extremely bad before opening it.
>>7971430
I asked for senior wolfags, not polfags.
Every wolfag knows that Flannery O'Connor is just as good as any of the greatest writers... Well ever.
>>7971442
Can you tell me this weeks lottery numbers please?
>>7971444
I don't see what that has to do with my comment. Try working on your reading comprehension.
>>7971442
A cover is useful because it shows the audience it's meant to sell to. And if it's meant for retards the book itself is probably retarded.
This however isn't foolproof. For example, I was in a bookstore looking for a book for friend's birthday and we saw a Master and Margarita with a big "BOOK WHICH INSPIRED MICK JAGGER TO WRITE SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL"
On basis of that I would have never even thought it was even remotely good.We decided for Bolano in the end
>>7971456
>A cover is useful because it shows the audience it's meant to sell to
This is retard logic.
>>7971449
No writer is good for a female or whatever. It's either good or bad, author being a woman isn't relevant at all. My comprehension is fine and you are a retard.
>>7971458
It's how marketing works fellow redditor. If you want to sell it to teenage girls you make it appealing to teenage girls.
>>7971427
I'm not sure what's gone on with Hobb the last few days and the memeing. Discussing her a few months ago she seemed generally well regarded.
I like her writing style. She writes some absolutely tragic characters that you form an emotional connection to and in general I think her writing is more character driven than plot driven (compared to most fantasy), which is a plus in my book.
I doubt I'm what you'd call a patrician though. BotNS is the only Wolfe I've read.
>>7971466
>It's how marketing works fellow redditor.
>>7971475
Because the real men have woken up and she's IS NOT GOOD
just saying
>>7971475
>I'm not sure what's gone on with Hobb the last few days and the memeing. Discussing her a few months ago she seemed generally well regarded.
Indeed, but so was First Law and it tricked me into reading it and it was absolutely horrible. It wasn't even well done entertainment.
>I like her writing style. She writes some absolutely tragic characters that you form an emotional connection to and in general I think her writing is more character driven than plot driven (compared to most fantasy), which is a plus in my book.
Characters are always a plus.
>I doubt I'm what you'd call a patrician though. BotNS is the only Wolfe I've read.
So would she fall in line with quality sword and sorcery in line of Leiber or Moorcock?
>>7971485
I agree for the most part, but I'd say the chance is 98% and not 100% because I always remember that New Sun cover and cringe.
>>7971486
She's definitely a better writer than Abercrombie who I agree writes schlock.
I haven't read Leiber or Moorcock, or any of that classic sward and sorcery type to be honest. So I can't help you with a comparison there.
Came here to see if Aramini was Araminiposting or not.
>>7971524
He was of course, he's real easy to identify. He probably knows me too though.
>>7969787
These are both autism
>>7969994
You are a pathetic excuse for a man.
Two options lie before you:
1. Please kill yourself
2. Read the Greeks and visit /fit/
>>7971502
>I haven't read Lieber or Moorcock
Absolute cancer.
Why the fuck doesn't the op read:
Anderson
Bradbury
Burroughs
Dunsany
Eddison
Farmer
Heinlein
Howard
Le Guin
Lieber
Lindsay
Lovecraft
Merritt
Moorcock
Smith
Tolkien
Vance
Zelazny
Stop reading fucking edgy sjw anime
>>7971658
>Le Guin
Opinion trashed
>>7971658
All of those are meh writers inferior to the big names such as Sanderson and Rohtfuss. Stop trying to be a hipster.
>>7971486
Whatever she is she's not sword and sorcery.
>>7971658
But Moorcock is literal garbage.
