Does anyone else think that The Golden Rule or Kants Categorical Imperative, which is basically a bourgeois version of the Golden rule, is completely sociopathic?
Only treat others well because you wanted to be treated well? Sounds incredibly selfish and self-centred and not genuine
why do you say that?
>>7966543
are you a conservative?
>>7966543
Only if you're already a fucking sociopath, you mongoloid.
>>7966543
It's just meant as a general guideline for normal fucking people and children - it's not gospel. So of course it's not useful to say that to a sociopath or sadist.
>>7966577
>normal people
Define this
>>7966568
I'm saying it feels sociopathic, not that people who actively practice it are sociopaths
>Only treat others well because you wanted to be treated well?
are you completely dense? thats not what it's saying at all, you'd have to be already completely lacking in empathy to even perceive it as such. its just saying, if youre thinking of yelling at someone, reconsider it keeping in mind that you'd feel like shit if someone did that to you and you wouldnt want to make anyone feel like that
>>7966590
That sounds the exact same
>deontology
hmm for example like "we can't tax people because that would be taking their property which is NEVER ok"? "If a secret police officer asks you where the jew is hiding you have to tell because lying is never ok"? sounds reasonable and pragmatic :)
>>7966596
maybe if you are a literal retard?
>treating people well solely because you want to be treated well
>treating people well because you dont want to upset them
"Treating others as you would like to be treated" and "Only treat others well because you wanted to be treated well" are two totally different concepts. How did you even finish typing this post and not realize that?
>>7966543
The entire point of the Golden Rule is that it is a recognition of our common humanity.
I think you may be autistic OP.
>>7966608
thats the same desu not even op
>>7966700
treating people well because if you don't people might be a dick to you which you wouldn't want vs treating people well because your sense of empathy allows you to understand that if you don't others might be upset
not the same u mong
Pretty sure everyone is a sociopath but me, lol
>>7966543
> Kants Categorical Imperative, which is basically a bourgeois version of the Golden rule
The resemblance is superficial. Firstly, Kant's categorical imperative requires that maxims are universalized, and not merely dependent on what any individual wills his/her treatment to be. So a better approximation would be the maxim "Do unto everyone what we would all have done unto us."
Secondly, and maybe more relevantly, the categorical imperative absolutely prohibits that we decide our actions based on any desires for pleasure, for happiness (if this is what you mean by "treated well"). If the determing factor that makes us choose action X is that we expect it will add to our happiness, and/or to the happiness of other people, then action X is not a moral action; it might be a selfish action, or it might even be a loving action - but even immoral criminals can act in dispicable ways out of concern for their loved ones.
Kant says that an action is only moral if we choose it based on respect for rational autonomy - that is, human dignity, freedom - and we do this when we test our maxim by the categorical imperative, ensuring that it is consistent with the rights of all moral agents to pursue their own ends in a free community (that is, the maxim can be universalized, so that all moral agents can will it while agreeing to be bound by it). And if everyone acted in this way, then our collective happiness would increase as a result - though the desire for this outcome, again, could not morally be the determining factor by which people choose to act in accordance with the categorical imperative.
>>7966543
project much?
just realize that when you wonder why people treat you like shit it's because you probably treat other people like shit and when people talk about karma and 'what goes around comes around' it's really a reference to patterns that you follow and what you do to others that will eventually be given back to you. how you treat others is really a reflection how you treat yourself.
also being 'genuine' is a boatload of fucking shit there is no genuine there is only what you do and what you don't. you can only be genuine when you're 60 and your patterns become set in stone.
kant literally ruined philosophy with his secular christian bullshit
>>7967595
>how you treat others is really a reflection how you treat yourself.
this is the spookiest post I've seen in a while, reads like a hallmark card or something fat women would share on facebook
>>7967609
overcomplicate simple ideas because you can, no wonder so many writers kill themselves.
>>7967620
"how you treat others is really a reflection how you treat yourself" is a meme phrase with exactly zero content
>>7967627
>using meme as an argument
nice content you have there. it's common sense really if you don't get it you probably lack self-awareness and don't interact with many people.
>>7966543
"Simple Definition of empathy
: the feeling that you understand and share another person's experiences and emotions : the ability to share someone else's feelings"
>Only treat others well because you wanted to be treated well?
This makes it sound as if the idea behind the rule is to treat others well out of the vain hope that they'll then do the same to you, which isn't the idea. It's more like understanding that you should care for others as you care for yourself rather than yourself above others because other people carry the same value you do.
>>7966577
>it's not gospel
>>7967517
What are morals what are ethics what is a social norms xdixtion. Commas are a plus
>>7967669
Go away.
>>7967658
Fuck that. Confucius said it much better many years before Matthew the Cuck.
>>7967862
Confucians are the real cucks, stop misusing that word.
>>7966543
Rawls's Veil of Ignorance makes it more objective.
>>7967874
Stay mad christcuck
A little oldfag advice here: you go around advertising the fact that people can shit you out and you'll take it because you wouldn't want that to happen to you... You all are pretty smart, do the math as to what that leads to.
An idea, by definition, cannot be sociopathic. Google what "sociopathic" means.
:^)
>>7966543
It is selfish, but that's not really a bad thing.
You're looking after yourself AND other people.
Consider a distinction between being selfish and self-centered.
