What books have protagonists who are legitimately bad people?
all of them
>>7922162
Lolita
>>7922162
Well I don't the TCoL49 is one of them.
In fact I don't think there's many desu, but these sort of are:
> Notes from Underground
> Dom Casmurro
> Therese Raquin
>>7922186
>Dom Casmurro
"NO"
Capitu was a whore
If you think Oedipa was a bad person, then probably like 90% of literature protagonists are bad people by your judgement.
>>7922197
The Dom's a crazy fuck, there's no telling whether his perspective is the right one, that's the magic of the book really
>>7922186
> I don't THINK
I'm tired.
>>7922162
>>7922162
bonus: question also applies to author*
>>7922162
Okonkwo
>The Tunnel by Ernesto Sabato
and I think "Ask the Dust by Fante" too, rather often I felt like I wanted to end the book and then... all of sudden it just ends, I don't get it.
>>7922304
He doesnt identify as a human being ;^)
Kleiner Mann, was nun? (Little Man, what Now?) by Hans Fallada.
>>7922200
90% of lit protagonists don't fuck around on their devoted spouses without remorse
White Noise
Lolita
American Psycho
Notes from the Underground
The Stranger, debatably
Vineland, No Exit, depending on who you consider the protagonist
others
What the hell makes Oedipa a bad person? Are you just mad that she defied the patriarchy and the male, I-I mean mail conspiracy?
>>7922654
>devoted spouses
>Mucho who cheats on Oed constantly with underage girls
eeeehhhhmmm
The Tin Drum
White Tiger
The Wasp Factory
>>7922197
There's no way those hints were planted for no reason. Even if she had cheated, though, he still committed serious profanities by making promises and not delivering, which is way worse than infidelity (the most overrated of transgressions desu)
>>7922654
cuck detected
Paradise Lost
>>7922816
>White Noise
what the fuck? he's as normal as a postmodern novel's character gets
The Floating Opera
Naked Lunch
Cosmopolis
>>7922861
That's just her paranoia
>>7923234
That's an interesting angle, I've looked it up in my copy now, it's true the description of Mucho's affairs is entirely in the theoretical, though Oedipa claims she 'knows' what goes on we don't get any real solid evidence. While she means to confront Mucho about it all she asks is if "he wasn't worried about the penal code." To which he answers "of course" and no more from possibly half sleep in the middle of the night.
You have a point it may just be paranoia, but all the same I doubt it. Mucho's introduction as a character is him complaining about being called "too horny" by his boss. It also fits nicely the distant relationship/broken communication themes, the feminist angle, and doesn't make a whole lot of sense as paranoia since it happens chronologically before the novel starts and Oedipa only really becomes paranoid on the trail of Tristero - but then again she always is a bit nutty, weeping openly in the art gallery and so on, laughing at the death of her ex lover.
Interesting point.
The Sound and the Fury - although that is largely the crux of the novel
The Stars my Destination - although that probably doesnt count as lit
I can think of many books with main characters who are a bit shitty, but few who are 'genuinely bad' whatever that means
Hopscotch
The Sound and the Fury (Jason)
Macbeth
Story Of The Eye
A Confederacy Of Dunces
The Outsider
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Blood Meridian
And like a million others c'mon OP
>>7922186
>>7922816
> Notes from Underground
But how can you say this? How can you read it and think the main character is legitimately bad?
He doesn't even believe "bad" to be a thing, but even in the conventional sense, he seems quite neutral. Maybe he is rude and bitter but how can anyone blame him after reading the first half?
Even if you ignore all that and judge him only on his actions he's not evil.
A Visit From The Goon Squad. Sashastealing the dudes "I BELIEVE IN YOU" paperwas literally unforgivable to me
Someone explain to me why I thought Oedipa was black. I can't think of any reason why I believe this, but I can't picture her any other way.
>>7923379I imagined her as kinda hot.
>>7923418
>>7923379
She's a bourgeois cutie who becomes more and more unkempt and unhinged as the novel goes on.
>>7922654
yeah, pynchon was very clear in illustrating the deep and loving connection in their marriage. definitely.
>>7922654
Did you miss the part where it says Mucho fucks all those highschool girls
>>7923159
He kills Mr. White (?) in cold blood
>>7923589
He just didn't get it, he's probably a pleb.
>>7923313
Idk if the kid was a bad person
>>7923379
I thought she was in her forties first time I read
Weird that, in 1966, a 28-year-old qualified as an "older chick"
>>7923379
I maintain she was mexican
>>7923159
wow, you really misunderstood the novel
you should be embarrassed by this
>>7923952
from the perspective of 20 year olds it does
>>7923290
>The Sound and the Fury
Who would you say is the main character? Caddy?
>>7922311
There were also good things about him though, which is why he's a tragic hero type.
I can see where you're coming from though. He's pretty shitty.
>>7924278
Caddy is the absent center so probably not?
Yet in a way she is. Hmm.
I guess I would say the four children are the main main characters.
>>7923379
One cover shows her as a white woman with a purple Afro afaik
>>7923379
because you saw this cover? p sure it's not supposed to be oedipa though
>>7924817
that lady looks European featured to me
>>7923313
>Jason
Jason was the sane man trying to keep shit together when everyone else in the family was either retarded, suicidal, incestuous, a smart-ass or a mixture of all four.
>>7924826
Hey man, whatever floats your cock.
>>7922162
High-Rise J.G. Ballard
Blood Meridian
A Hero of Our Time
>>7922260
Journey to The End Of The Night ftw
Flashman revels in his cruelty, treachery and cowardice. He's great fun.
>>7924820
Her skin is literally black
>>7925236
If you're talking about Celine's antisemitism you're just proving that he was a great man.
Madame Bovary. Even though Emma inspires sympathy to a degree, she is, for the most part, a pretty despicable person.
>>7925267
Lewd
>>7923594
> single slice of bread
>>7923594
Why is the bread in his collar
>>7923313
Macbeth wasn't a bad person, he got tricked by a bad person
>>7922162
Do you guys think Bazarov from Fathers and Sons was a bad person?
People bashed me in a previous thread for suggesting it was uncertain.
Is this a nice boy?
>>7924278
Caddy is the definitely the MC of the book, tho by the "bad person" he meant Jason i think.
If you ask me
>>7926004
The crust is in his zipper
Not sure if it's been posted, but...
Wuthering Heights
>>7925262
race is more than skin m8
>>7929246
Who? Catherine or Heathcliff? I can't decide which one was the bigger piece of shit.
>>7926191
He had agency. I knew what he was doing was bad.
Just like adam taking the apple from eve. He knew he shouldnt have.
>>7922311
Eh, I actually kinda liked and understood Okonkwo. By western standards, yeah he was a sexist, abusive dick, but you can't judge other cultures by the standards of your own.
He just wanted to protect his culture and community, which I can fully respect and appreciate. Reading the book, it felt like observing the extinction of a species/culture.
![Thus-Spoke-Zarathustra-by-F.-Nietzsche-ebook-cover[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mLclH4f.jpg "Thus-Spoke-Zarathustra-by-F.-Nietzsche-ebook-cover[1].jpg")
>>7929179
This too.
>>7922879
american detected
>>7929475
>By western standards, yeah he was a sexist, abusive dick, but you can't judge other cultures by the standards of your own
Yeah you can. Sexism is sexism, idiot.
>>7922494
he wasnt a bad person, he was just unhappy
>>7928850
literally illiterate
>>7929988
He cheats on his wife and masturbates to you girls
>>7929179
did you even read the book you nigger?
>>7929976
Agreed, you can judge whatever you wanna judge by whatever standard. Doesn't mean it's right or wrong, but you can do it.
>>7929976
>I don't understand cultural moral relativism
That's how you sound.
>>7930312
apathy does not make you a good person
sure he didn't have any specific evil in him, but he didn't care until his life was threatened. he wasn't a good guy. he was a nihilist of the worst sort. the whole point of the book is to not live like meursault
>>7929976
That's no different then judging middle ages with modern standards. Just a different kind of anachronism.
>>7922846
extremely underrated post
>>7922897
Sure thing, cuckboi. Capitu was a whore and you shouldn't feel bad for Bentinho.
>>7922846
Oh shit, do you think Pynchon did that on purpose?
>>7930922
Yes. Trystero's mute takes many forms, the conspiracy at large is not synonymous with patriarchy, but Oedipa's tower is female oppression.
The Brothers Karamazov. Fuck Alyosha. He is slave morality, untermenschen ... bah!
I wash my hands clear of such filthy books.
