The opposite of addiction is not sobriety. Its community.
>>7906528
i like this. where did it come from
>>7906528
i don't like this. please put it back.
Hope that means something to you because it is nothing to me
What if you're addicted to community?
I guess it might be right, when you're an addict you're somehow isolated from society, so it can cause the same effect (in this strict sense) when you're a sober person but exlude yourself from society. The interesting thing happens when indeed all the society is addicted (social media, tv shows, drugs like alcohol).
Woah that's deep dude!!
What about a community of addicts?
>>7906528
sorry no, i had many more friends when i constantly did drugs. problem was i only had drugs in common with them
>>7906528
nigga that is the gayest shit I ever heard.
>>7906528
Nah. Your direct community usually encourages your addiction in one way or another. If you're looking to break addiction, you should shed your community and find a new one.
As far as opposites go, I'd the opposite excess is laziness (addiction is doing something automatically as if/because you need it, laziness is deeming things not important enough to move or act on at present) or possibly timidity (fear of doing anything, all decisions are anxiety-inducing).
Of course, the Aristotelian mean would be temperance. Do that one.
>>7906528
I get this. Everyone else is a boring dork when you're into something. Irvine Welsh does enough work on the idea
>>7906652
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ao8L-0nSYzg
i'll cite OPs sources for him
OP rot in hell you faggot
>>7906587
stop watching shitty shows then
You guys are treating the OP as a wishy washy aphorism but the guy who ran a video game addiction clinic in Europe shut it down and claimed that video game addiction doesn't exist and it's a lack of relationships
>>7906528
Both are a distraction from the thought of death, one is through self denial, the other by role playing.
>>7906738
> You guys are treating the OP as a wishy washy aphorism
He gave no reason why he believes that so of course we did. ( >>7906625 here btw) You and >>7906656 provided some reasons to believe that. I can see why you do now and it also explains why I'm still miserable, just not addicted to drugs. Oh yea, I agree OP should rot in hell for his lack of sources or reasons
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/03/shame.html
>>7906624
temptation island season 6, sign me up baby!
>>7906528
That's AA-tier thinking lad.
What if you're meant to be addicted? What do you gain in sobriety?
I really don't understand why some people can't just accept that their on the wrong side of the statistic. I also realized that all of this addiction talk was started by people living in very, very different times. This leads me to be very doubtful of the validity of the claim that sobriety is somehow superior to addiction.
It's that age old argument that jews throw out. "There's something wrong with you on the inside. You should not be happy, because..." And you can fill in the blank. The same story as the "success" meme being pushed by people born in the 40s.
All of the current memetic trends were started with different generations, who lived vastly different lives, and had vastly different sensations. Don't trust this bullshit. It's spouted by boomers, retards and faggots!
>>7906791
>What if you're meant to be addicted? What do you gain in sobriety?
i know you think it's romantic to be addicted to things but i'd rather have a cohesive family than a sexy story due to the destruction of one person's addiction.
if you can't imagine an answer to the question "what do you gain in sobriety" for yourself, you are just going to continue to be hopelessly in the dark about this topic.
maybe you should pick up a heroin addiction and see if you think that it would be better for you to just accept your fate.
>This leads me to be very doubtful of the validity of the claim that sobriety is somehow superior to addiction.
please leave your bedroom sometime in the next year.
this video is so stupid
Communication + Unity = Community. And we call this community culture.
>>7906811
damn, I thought it had some good points but your critique made me change my mind, thanks
>>7906804
>i know you think it's romantic to be addicted to things but i'd rather have a cohesive family than a sexy story due to the destruction of one person's addiction.
I know you know better than throwing strawmen around.
>if you can't imagine an answer to the question "what do you gain in sobriety" for yourself, you are just going to continue to be hopelessly in the dark about this topic.
I really can't. I think that the only people who fetishize sobriety are addicts, and people who have a different set of vices, and are usually jealous of the addict in question (or they do not realize, or wish to realize that they cause a lot of pain to the addict, under the guise of love; in this case, the addict is also to blame for engaging in fucked up relationships, and is just as much to blame for the pain, as the person causing it).
>maybe you should pick up a heroin addiction and see if you think that it would be better for you to just accept your fate.
Speaking as an alcoholic, I can say this: we choose our poison. There are people who have quit heroin, and there are people who did it to the death. If you cannot find a reason to quit heroin, all I'm saying is that maybe you are meant to die from it.
But, there's still more to my point. This constant desire to quell every single addiction hides something much more sinister behind it. It is not about the addiction itself, it's about shaming the addict into submission. Porn addiction, video game addiction, food addiction, sex addiction... These is all smoke and mirrors, designed to obscure the truth. The addict chooses these addictions as scapegoats which ultimately hide the real conditions, which are universal and inherent to life.
>please leave your bedroom sometime in the next year.
Yes, because sex and people laughing at your jokes are somehow superior to posting on 4chan.
>>7906775
started ok then went to shit
>>7906830
>This constant desire to quell every single addiction hides something much more sinister behind it. It is not about the addiction itself, it's about shaming the addict into submission.
I'm curious, care to explain?
>>7906825
i have no desire to watch the video again so correct me if i misrepresent some of it's points but iirc the two main arguments were 1) this rat thing and 2) this example from war
1) is bullshit because, obviously, you can't compare rats with humans since their psychologies are completely different and 2) is misrepresented; the soldiers were forced to quit heroin cold turkey before they were allowed to go home
doesn't mean what they say is wrong but doesn't prove it neither (and makes it less credible because they use wrong examples/evidence)
additionally, i didn't like the politicization at the end of the video
Addiction is necessary
The stigma attached to the word gives it a negative connotation
Without addiction there is no community
Sobriety is Anarchy
>>7906548
Looks like the pigeon man from Hey! Arnold.
>>7906834
Why?
>>7906528
(I) At face value, this statement sounds stupid. Beyond face value, you haven't supported it with any line of reasoning that might justify it.
(II) This image does not give me feels, since I am one such "different" person and am not unhappy about it. You can probably assume that most people browsing /lit/ are also like that
>>7906528
Thanks for the banal platitude David.
>>7906836
Think about it. What is the purpose of giving up an addiction, in other words a pleasure?
If the only answer is to live longer, you have to ask yourself if you want to live life without what causes you the most pleasure in the world.
If it's for the people you love, you have to ask yourself how much value you add while sober. Not all of us can live up to the ideal our loved ones have for us.
If it's for monetary success, there's not enough money in the world.
If it's for spiritual growth, you'll be surprised to find nothing.
So if you cannot find your reason to quit within these four (are there more?), then you really do not have to quit at all. You will use the fact that someone calls your vice an addiction as a way to spare yourself the realization that you actually have the answer. You've actually found happiness, and you do not deserve any more than what you have.
When someone bashes your addiction, they're basically denying you your happiness. They're afraid, for who knows what fucked up reason, that you'll figure them out if you stop focusing on yourself. There are way way worse vices out there.
Don't get me wrong, when it's time to go, you'd better be ready to go. But never blame "addiction" for character flaws you faggot!
>>7906885
Wow dude, talk about staying haunted
>>7907174
I guess you're more enlightened than me. What do you mean?
Must you loose some individualism for community?
It works if you work it!
>>7906528
Keep Coming.
>>7906528
>The opposite of addiction is not sobriety. Its community.
No, the opposite of community is anomie.
My name is Yunus, I am 19 yrs old and addicted to pornography. 8 days sober.
>>7908065
I misread your post as
>My name is Yunus, I am 91 yrs old and addicted to pornography. 8 days sober.
kek
>>7908076
I most certainly will better my ways until then desu
>>7906885
I kind of see what you're saying, but what if I feel better sober than when I was fucking around?
What if I feel better when I don't watch porn than when I do watch porn?
The pleasure is actually in keeping these animals urges in check.
I try to keep my desires in check for myself, and no one else. If anything, I was a "better" person in a few ways when I was doing a lot of psychedelics, but it felt hollow because it was essentially induced by an external agent and temporary.
I fast regularly (not anything crazy, usually just a couple of days) and I feel great during that. I don't enjoy the word "spiritual", but I do feel like I'm learning something during the times I've stayed sober.
Not trying to knock you, my friend, just adding to the discussion.
>>7908088
but if u stop wackin it to pornos then u'll start wackin it to imagining chicks u know which is rude and mysogynistic and gonna make it sketchy when u talk to them cuz u gonna feel guilty (since u already guilty for beatin it to pornos u obviously suffer from easyguilt) and so like it's actually better to wack off to a professional porn actress than mentally turn ur female acquaintances into pornstars against their will, u sick man
>>7908109
Im not going to masturbate either. I just want to come closer to my God thats all I want...
>>7906885
Happiness is the final goal for humanity according to you then? What if I don't want happiness, don't care about it? What if I just want a clear head so I can remember what happened yesterday and actually learn from life? Your world sounds very small.
>>7908106
I think you only have true freedom when you have the power to control yourself and limit yourself.
>>7908123
>not going to masturbate
well i hope u like randomly waking up to spermy sheets in the morning
>>7908137
ya this is like the only insightful shit dfw ever said about how the ability to have self-discipline is the only way to be free otherwise u are a slave to the tv, to mcdonalds fries, to4chanetc.
>>7908139
I have been trying to get rid of this disgusting habit for 2 years. Never have I experienced that. Luckily. Have you tried it?
>>7908142
right now i got freeleech on a normally ratio torrent site with mad seedboxes so it's a bitch to ever get upload credit and like i can't control myself just leeching every damn thing until my disk space runs out, ruined my whole sunday, i wanted to be productive but now it's a mad dash to leech every movie and porno i can think of and i don't even like movies
>>7908148
I attempted multiple times and after a week and a half it always happened. The dreams weren't even sexual either. I would wake up from them anyway with a hot load in my boxers.
>>7908148
>only been wackin it for two years
underage ban
>>7908168
No it was only then i realized i didnt want to be a prisoner of my lust. I dare you all to try it. For just one week.
>>7908198
>>7908198
now ur a prisoner of ur "chastity" or whatever, god just learn to do it moderation...like all these vegetarian assholes who try to slave morality u out of eating meat, it's like all their arguments are good arguments against mcdonalds or eating a god damn steak every night but they aren't good arguments against ever eating a damn chicken sandwich once in a while, u feel me? instead of beatin ur meat for hours a day, or going around junglistically horny from no fappin, why don't u just put aside a little time once or twice a week for a fap, like people go out for drinks after work on thursday or something, but if u go out every night then u got issues but if u never go out then u just a fag
>>7908211
>all these vegetarian assholes who try to slave morality u out of eating meat
I'm not trying to hijack this thread but that is something people do out of concern for the environment and the animals. People don't eat meat to feel good the same way you give a homeless guy some change to feel good. People don't masturbate to feel good the same way shut ins keep to themselves to feel good, they think they are doing themselves good (whether they are is the point of your argument with Yunus). Basically don't treat an altruistic act like not masturbating. Also if you accept the idea that meat, especially red meat, is harmful to the environment it's only natural to strive for the good of avoiding it all the time. You don't practice moderation in say, screaming in strangers faces, because you believe it's wrong. If you believe something is wrong it isn't only wrong on Wednesdays or something, its just wrong. I'm not going to try to convince you to go veg*n, whether you want to look into/act on the impact of animal agriculture is your choice, my main/only real point...
veg*nism isn't remotely related to never masturbating
>>7908492
i bet you have a car which also damages the environment, but no one ever fought a war over steaks u feel me? i don't drive but i don't fucking preach about how cars are morally repugnant...but if u gonna use environmentally harmful stuff to drive the vegan restaurant and use electricity to power your animal rights website how is that worse than eating a steak once in a while? sorry, but veganism is not even healthy, humans are not made to live on grains and beans...agriculture is oppressive to be honest with you, veganism is very shallow in my opinion
>>7908514
> i don't drive but i don't fucking preach about how cars are morally repugnant
You only dont drive because you're lazy
> no one ever fought a war over steaks u feel me
This is because rational people don't kill by force unless absolutely necessary.
> u gonna use environmentally harmful stuff to drive the vegan restaurant and use electricity to power your animal rights website how is that worse than eating a steak once in a while
As if websites even register in the grand scheme of things. Also all restaurants use electricity, if one store is selling non energy intensive products it uses less energy than one with high energy intensive products. If you don't understand that... then I don't know what you're doing on /lit/. If there were a healthy, easy alternative to cars I'd do that too whenever possible (i ride my bike unless I'm going somewhere more than a half hour drive by car). I could throw facts at you but I'm not even interested in converting you (I know /lit/ is too unwilling to consider they might be wrong). I could point out all the unnecessary steps first world diets add to feeding (less of) the populous, but I won't. My goal is don't equate veg*nism, which is at worst, a misguided attempt at making the WORLD a better place, to self imposed chastity (a misguided attempt at making YOURSELF better).
I'm done talking to you. To sum it all up veg*nism isn't comparable to chastity. One is to try to improve self, the other is to try to improve the world
>>7908580
>My goal is don't equate veg*nism
sorry My goal is to get you not to
>>7906528
In many ways this is true. You can of course go further and say that many of our ills are also a result of broken communities. Modern late capitalism puts the individual or the couple as the end all be all, and that everything you need can be bought, but without tight knit families and communities, life is hard and depressing. You need help in many things, like raising kids, or taking care of the parents. Right now the kids will go to shitty day care, and old people into nursing homes where they rot. This is a social sickness, that needs to be addressed with some kind of communal system. Either a national daycare like France for example, or a strong return to a different ideology of local activism and socjal volunteerism and coho using with family. But I reckon the former is more likely.
>>7908211
>junglistically
hmmm....
>>7908514
>humans are not made to live on grains and beans...agriculture is oppressive to be honest with you
spooky
The opposite of the known universe is consciousness.Enjoy that statement.
>>7906528Cigarettes.
You are all such fucking idiots, I'd laugh if I wasn't so annoyed
