Besides this what are some other great post-modern Christian books?
>>7887281
guess all the christposters found a new fad
>>7887281
gene wolfe, book of the new sun
the grifter
>>7887281
By what standard can you claim this is a Christian book?
>>7887951
Because the average person would rather be crucified than read it.
>>7887951
>"We come back to the Faust story and to the original Clementine Recognitions, which has been called the first Christian novel (I remember thinking mine was going to be the last one)"
-William Gaddis
I wouldn't say this book can be described as a Christian book OP; in fact, Gaddis often has nothing but what seems to be vitriol for the derivative nature of modern religion. I think he argues for spirituality and a return to simplified worship rather than advocating Christianity.
>>7887951
Probably all the plot centred around Christianity and its hermeneutics, bruv.
I guess it doesn't have the 'God is great join your local protestant cult today' evangelical message you Yanks like with your McChristianity though, so by those standards it wouldn't be a Christian book.
>>7888008
And lol.
>>7888114
From what little of it I've read, I agree with this. Whether it's any form of Protestantism or Catholicism, I wouldn't call any depictions of Christianity in any of its flavors in this book positive in the least.
>>7887281
Gravity's Rainbow has some vaguely Christian (albeit heretical) ideas in it. Hawkes uses Christian imagery and ideas in The Cannibal and some of his other books.
>>7888114
He points out human nature of being extreme and wanting to be something or striving to be something that is not attainable- so, the degenerates, the pseudo-intellectuals, whacked out christians....extreme variants of personalities taken all the way
everything is ruined by too much or too little imagination, and everything is already a reflection of something else.
so, i agree that it argues for a simplified, more suitable form of religion, but one that fits man's nature. I think Gaddis was angry or sick of people when he was writing this, because he nails people down with an eerie accuracy.
it's a wonderful book, long, but wonderful.
Finished reading this a few weeks ago. Anyone know of a place to get JR?
>>7888258
amazon or abebooks
>>7887281
Book of the New Sun, although it's actually playing with postmodern elements to prove how post modernity is shit so I'd say it's somewhere between modern and postmodern.
Infinite Jest. In addition to all the obvious pro-AA, pro-religion, anti-drug stuff, I remember with distaste a scene near the end in which Hal describes papa Incandenza getting down on one knee and explaining to Orin and him that pornography is bad because it gives them bad ideas about sex. The novel may have a hip, intellectual East Coast facade but its core is Midwestern conservatism, wholesomeness, and sentimentality.
>>7888341
sounds post-post-modern desu b/c y'know p.m. was all about playing w/ m. tropes to show how m. was shit
>>7888433
Similarly, I would say the recognitions. I would say a whole lot of the book is about Christianity being usurped by some strange biomedical, futuristic logical positivist quote. On the cruise Franzen really pounds you over the head with the aslan metaphor.
>>7888462
Corrections*
>>7888433
I thought Infinite Jest was anti-AA? I haven't read it, so I wouldn't know for sure.
>>7888435
It wasn't all about that, it was just a superficial element in itself, it's used for a greater message on absolutness of truth, mystery of God and his mercy.
>>7888174
I agree, I absolutely loved it.
>>7888116
I was asking a serious question.
>>7887281
Flannery O'Connor and PKD
>>7889988
>Flannery O'Conner
>post-modern
TRY AGAIN
>>7887578
It's not pomo...please don't confuse it for pomo trash.
>>7889988
>PKD
No heretics please
>>7890263
not all pomo is pomo trash anon
btons is pomo by the btw
>>7890263
>The Recognitions isn't pomo
How about you read it first?
>>7887281
anything from pynchon
it's there if you know what you're looking for
>>7892371
Source on Pynchon being a Christian?
>>7888258
Where do you even live? I'm pretty sure I've seen a copy of JR at Barnes & Noble in the past year.
>>7888651
It's pro-AA. DFW recognized the banality and intellectual vapidity of AA but still swore by it because he thought it worked in spite of, or even because of its flaws.
>>7892737
Mason & Dixon and Gravity's Rainbow probably have the biggest Christian influence out of all of his books.
>>7892737
the recognitions is so good guys, i really hope you would give it a shot sometime
>>7892737
His upbringing is Catholic and allegedly attended confession while still at Cornell.
Who knows what he believes. M&D and GR don't strike me as Christian but they deal with religion and Christianity to some extent.
>>7887281
It's literally about how Christianity "these days is so fake." It deals with Christianity but I'm not sure I would call it a Christian book.
If you want a book with simple writing that will slap your beliefs in the face and prove why 99% of denominations get Christianity wrong, read Muscle and a Shovel.
>>7893246
I hope you're saying the book is Catholic
>>7893187
I'm saying it's close enough because I don't really care.
>>7892292
Read the post again
>>7893665
So you like meme wolf and think pomo is trash.
>>>/rbooks/
>>7893692
New Sun has a lot of postmodern elements
>>7893722
So does my dick but I don't see you sucking it do I?
>>7893737
No but your mom does
