Anyone on /lit/ read Education & The Significance of Life?
http://www.kritischestudenten.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/J-Krishnamurti-Education-and-the-Significance-of-life.pdf
Thoughts on Krishnamurti in general are welcome.
>>7876992
Huh, about time I see a Krishnamurti here. His stuff seems to pop up in used bookstores and displayed like he's someone important (I say that without bias. I haven't read him.) Then a not-so literary friend of mine was trying to get me to read him. I watched a youutbe lecture of his. But it just seemed like he was sampling from Hegel and standard Eastern mindfulness, transcendental-y stuff. He also lacked a certain rigor, that can't let me to call him a philosopher, proper.
Maybe I'll give him another shot, though.
False prophet. Total fucking asshole. Megalomaniac, treats sincere students like garbage for daring to respect him.
>>7877197
source?
>>7876992
This guy seems to really have some qualms with our most established forms of education.
I like it. I have felt the same way.
He sounds a little too serious though, like all other philosophers.
> Present-day education is a comple
te failure beca
use it has overemphasized
technique. In overemphasizing technique
we destroy man. To cultivate capacity
and efficiency without un
derstanding life, without
having a comprehensive
perception of the ways of thought and
desire, will only make
us increasingly
ruthless, which is to enge
nder wars and jeopardize
our physical security. The
exclusive cultivation of technique ha
s produced scientists, mathematicians,
bridge builders, space conq
uerors; but do they unders
tand the total process of
life? Can any specialist experience life as
a whole? Only when he ceases to be a
specialist.
I half agree with this but there is something "spiritual" about him that I don't like. Like he's just another of those people looking for something invisible.
He must have wrote this during a time when being highly technical at something was a commonality for all young people looking for education.
Now, we don't praise technique at all in the slightest, I think we are a facing a problem this is the opposite of what this guy is saying. We look far too much on hedonism and lofty spiritualism instead of proper technique.
>>7877228
>He must have wrote this during a time when being highly technical at something was a commonality for all young people looking for education.
I hate Krishnamurti but he's addressing a central pillar of criticism of modernity, the criticism of Technik.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technikphilosophie#Technikphilosophie.2C_Lebensphilosophie_und_Sozialphilosophie
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophie_de_la_technique#La_techno-logie
http://creativeevolution.blogspot.ca/2004/09/instrumentalization-of-reason-in.html
>>7877247
I don't study philosophy, so I am pretty sure this is over my head, but I am guessing the gist of it is people are using scientific reasoning and logic as a blade rather than a tool of enlightenment? Like over-organization and all that stuff?
My problem with this is this: Where are all the people using "technik" in the first place? I live in America, so my perception is that we are being driven away from anything technically oriented. We are born to consume without thought, not analyze and deduce anything given to us with logical reasoning.
I could be misinterpreting all of this though. I'm not a college student.
>>7877197
>Megalomaniac, treats sincere students like garbage for daring to respect him.
Aren't this like, opposite?
>>7877274
Sort of. It's more that they are instrumentalizing the entire world as a subject-of-tools and themselves as both tool-user and another kind of tool. There's no room for "human" or anything beyond exploitation in general, in that scenario.
It's not so much about ephemeral problems like people temporarily shying away from technical vocations, it's more about how the entire collective consciousness of the age has absorbed certain ideas about the world and human interaction with it.
>technically oriented
By technical, they mean not just technology in the mechanical or electronic sense, but technologies of the self and technologies of social organisation. Any totalitarian regime that sees its people in terms of indistinct "units" that exist to fill "functions" is like this, and liberal capitalism just does the same thing in different ways. Education that in the 19th century were (at least idealistically) intended to give every single pleb prole retard nobody a genuine philosophical sense of his own soul, his place in the world and history, his opportunities and will, etc., has been replaced by vocational training so people can fill pegs. Lives are run by punchclocks. Even entertainment and leisure, instead of just being pushed to the margins, are routinised and made up of factory-stamped identical experiences, to the point of total inhumanity.
People internalise this life and you get a race of drones who not only don't care about cultivating their souls or having deeper experiences of life, they can't even imagine imagining what that could mean.
College students are faggots though.
>>7877318
>People internalise this life and you get a race of drones who not only don't care about cultivating their souls or having deeper experiences of life, they can't even imagine imagining what that could mean.
Sounds horrible. But people actually support it? Wow.
>>7877318
Interesting, I agree with most of this.
>and liberal capitalism just does the same thing in different ways.
This is the key thing that I care about. I have had theories since highschool that whoever is top brass in America, the government, the bankers, the Micky Mouse illuminatti, whatever it is, they have developed formulas for keeping us not smart enough to reject their products. They consciously have molded our culture and society so that products are being easier and easier to sell to us without question.
Like every trend we see these days, it's been guided. It's not a spontaneous creation of our culture's mind. Nothing spontaneous has happened since the 70s.
I don't know though, I am not smart either.
i like the other krishnamurti
>>7877318
>People internalise this life and you get a race of drones who not only don't care about cultivating their souls or having deeper experiences of life, they can't even imagine imagining what that could mean.
>College students are faggots though.
I'm trying, senpai.
>>7877326
>support it
what you're implying is something a little like false consciousness, but ideology is slightly more horrific than that. it's not so much that they support it, and it's not even far enough to say that they don't understand what they're doing and continue to do it. it's more that they understand they are making their souls cruder, and believe that this is the better way to be.
“What we now call education is a matter of accumulating information and knowledge from books, which anyone can do who can read. Such education offers a subtle form of escape from ourselves and, like all escapes, it inevitably creates increasing misery. Conflict and confusion result from our own wrong relationship with people, things and ideas, and until we understand that relationship and alter it, mere learning, the gathering of facts and the acquiring of various skills, can only lead us to engulfing chaos and destruction.”
“MANY of us seem to think that by teaching every human being to read and write, we shall solve our human problems; but this idea has proved to be false. The so-called educated are not peace-loving, integrated people, and they too are responsible for the confusion and misery of the world. “
Are you triggered yet /lit/?
>>7877534
Yes, wouldn't a megalomaniac revel in his students admiring him?
