Just ordered this. How fucked am I? Any good resources online that anon would be kind enough to recommend?
(I have an undergrad phil degree so I'm not a complete novice.)
>>7846569
Are you saying you spent 4 years studying philosophy and never bothered to read this book?
Not too bad. Do you have access to a uni library? I've always found that works akin to "Reading Through Hegel" or "Beginner's Guide to Hegel" at the library have been infinitely better than their choppy online counterparts.
>>7846625
>Do you have access to a uni library?
No, unfortunately.
Not fucked unless you take up Brandom's guidance.
>>7846569
reminder that the german from nlab formalizes, with toposes, the philosophy from hegel
https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/Hegelian+taco
Get Hegel's Ladder.
>>7846600
If you're trained in the analytic tradition, then it's pretty unlikely that you will read Hegel, or any German philosophers besides Frege and maybe Kant if you're lucky.
>>7848146
how is that possible, you just get to choose in your college? you didn't have to read continentals, phenomenology, marxists, or structuralism?
>nophilosophy here
its probably a dumb question since lit majors also get to shop around
>>7848184
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/080812_jacoby_great-masters
>>7848146
>>7848184
OP here-
I read some Frege in a philosophy of language course and I took a course on Kant. I did not encounter any Hegel directly.
>you didn't have to read continentals, phenomenology, marxists, or structuralism?
No- Plato, Aristotle, Hume, Hobbes, Descartes, Kant, etc.
Certainly nothing as recent as structuralism. Besides, I'm not sure Marx or structuralists would fall strictly under philosophy as it is conceived by whoever determines the university curriculum (e.g. metaphysics, ethics, epistemology, etc.) Marx being more political science. As far as structuralism/post-structuralism- I am still baffled by what exactly this is which is part of my motivation for reading Hegel. I've heard that all of these contemporary intellectual movements trace their genealogy back to him.
Idk why you ordered that. It will gather dust on your shelf after a few days. Perhaps you will order a guide from Amazon, after failing to absorb any meaning from your brute force attempt at the first 100 pages. No matter how many times you force your eyes over those words, it will surely not give you any enlightenment or enjoyment. Sell the book and buy some comfy P.G Wodehouse instead.
<spoiler> If you are really determined for indept analysis for free, check out "Half Hour Hegel" on YouTube, though it isn't complete yet but you have tons of videos to go through before you catch up anyway. </spoiler>
>>7848252That was the first time I tried tospoilerin a post
>>7848252
Ha- I was actually listening to that guys channel at work today. In preparation. The fact that he's spending 30 minutes discussing every paragraph is starting to make the weight of my situation sink in...
>Idk why you ordered that. It will gather dust on your shelf after a few days. Perhaps you will order a guide from Amazon, after failing to absorb any meaning from your brute force attempt at the first 100 pages. No matter how many times you force your eyes over those words, it will surely not give you any enlightenment or enjoyment.
haha god damn it
>>7848248
I've only seen Marx in the history department, never poly sci or econ or philosophy.
Not OP. I plan on reading Philosophy of History before [ever] reading Phenomenolgy.
Am I fucked?
>>7848260highlight textctrl+ssenpai
If you are diligent and read it three times you can do it.
Don't imagine you can read it once without taking notes and be okay.
Hegel is a radical thinker in a way you don't really realize until you get into his work properly.
haha i'm listening to the audiobook right now, can u listen to hegel and shitpost op? get on my level
>>7848184
Phil degrees come in basically four flavors: 1) analytic, which will often also include some Phil of law courses; 2) moral fag philosophy, which is your Kant, your muh rights, some liberal law shit, classes full of butthurt retards who judge the past with their current beliefs they only formed in first year, and the Marxism shit, etc; 3) theological stuff, Bible early continental thinkers, enlightenment, Spinoza etc, usually these people also worship Nietzsches; and, 4) your continental which is usually either "Nietzsche/heidegger/Hegel! Philosophy needs to cut off the heads of all Frenchies!" Or the Frenchies who hacked out carriers based on Nietzsche/heidegger/Hegel.And added nothing.
***reminder this is a generalization for undergrads***
>>7846569
Find free university lectures on it in YouTube. That's how I'm self studying Sartre now
>>7846600
Since Americans have daycare instead of high school, the first two years of college loosely follow the last two years of high school in developed countries.
>>7848757
You'll be fine.
>>7848657
>not studying philosophy as a history major specialising in intellectual history/the history of ideas
Anyone who actually majors in philosophy deserves everything they get
>HURR DURR IS JUSTIFIED TRUE BELIEF KNOWLEDGE?
>MUH SEARLE
>I POST ON /R/PHILOSOPHY NOW!
>>7848985
is he the one saying I should hide the threads or is it telling me to hide them because I want to avoid those people?
>>7846569
I picke dup Razor's Edge, Human Bondage, and Sixpence at a thrifht store. Which one is good to start with?
>>7848604
PoH is basically cooler and easier to read. Not to mention more influental in mass culture.
>>7850444
>studying the 'history of ideas' without actually engaging with any of it
good job m8
>>7846569
reddit: the book
>>7850454
the latter
>>7846569
>translation
Not fucked at all. Read slowly and diligently, take notes with your interpretations on individual phrases or sentences or paragraphs, re-read things until you understand them, and so on. Scholarly reading takes time and diligence, and Hegel is notoriously difficult, but don't fall for the meme of introductory readings or analysis because that shit is cheating.
Also you came to the wrong place for advice. Everyone here either doesn't understand it and will be derisive or they understand it partially and will be patronizing.
>>7848657
This is inaccurate. I, and colleagues who seemed to be enrolled in similar courses, appeared to follow a largely analytic tradition. Though I can't speak to the courses of my colleagues, I never took one "philosophy of law" course. I took Ethics (major requirement), and some of my history of philosophy classes touched on this subject, but never did I actually engage in a course dedicated to this subject aside from a Political Science course I took in my first semester, before I had decided to become a Philosophy major.
We took continental philosophy courses and logic courses. Analytic philosophy was practiced in all courses. That's what philosophy is to me, and I don't understand how anyone could come up with the archetypes you or this guy >>7850444 listed from interacting with anyone who has completed a philosophy undergraduate program.
Most people who partake in the program switch majors, so maybe you're conflating experiences of interactions with people from the courses that believed they would like the subject with those that actually partake and complete the program?
In any event, you're both kind of describing what I might imagine from someone who taking strictly History of Philosophy courses, something particularly ironic for the second poster.
To the OP- >>7846569
We read selections of Phenomenology of Spirit in my "History of Philosophy: Hegel" course. It was interesting, but I still don't think I understood it completely, even with office hours with our guest professor, who was apparently quite prominent in Germany as some sort of expert on Hegel. I think it's just fundamentally extremely difficult to grasp in terms of the concepts and subject matters it explores. Of course, it we only had 3 - 4 weeks to get through this work before moving on, so that could have been a more significant factor.
Anyways, while on the subject of debunking misconceptions about the Bachelors of the Arts Philosophy program, I just wanted to say one more thing. I have met many competent philosophy majors in my line of work (E-commerce Marketing). Others went on to study CS and work as software developers or a unique niche professions with similar pay and skill grades.
In fact, every Phil major I kept in contact with went on to work fairly decent white collar jobs or continued on to graduate school. Also, I think statistically, we're one of the most employable liberal arts majors and the highest paid liberal arts major ten years after graduation. That may not be true anymore, and I actually hope someone look sit up, just for the update. Anyways,I apologize for the long post and any typos I may have made.
>>7851850
You certainly can't hope to comprehend Hegel in 3 weeks.
>>7851850
I woud have to agree with this poster. I did a philosophy program too. I took classes on history of philosophy, logic, analytic philosophy, and continental philosophy. Of course, if you wanted, you could specialize to some degree but, in general, it was a very thorough and well-rounded curriculum. As an elective, I actually took a two semester upper division course where we painstakingly went over the Phenomenology of Spirit. And this was at a school most would consider "analytic" being, as it were, in America.
>>7851850
OP here, thanks for the advice.
>In fact, every Phil major I kept in contact with went on to work fairly decent white collar jobs or continued on to graduate school. Also, I think statistically, we're one of the most employable liberal arts majors and the highest paid liberal arts major ten years after graduation.
Also, this is true.
