>tfw you realise it is all one and you're it
Tag, you're it
>mfw I realise 'one' is an external concept
>>7822046
Yes anon, you are it, One. But only you, nobody else. You are in fact the world and the rest of us, just as real as you, are inside of you. In all your orifices. With our dicks.
>tfw ...
Welcome back to 6th century BC and Lao-Tzu's Tao te Ching.
>>7822046
And... What're you planning to do next (since time is also one)?
define "one"
>>7822105
define "define"
>>7822125
I know that's what i was saying.
>>7822128
woah.
>>7822046
It can't be it if it's everything it just is.
>tfw parmenides was right
>tfw I have lifted the veil of seeming and peered into the vast depths of truth
>tfw change is an illusion
>nothing is really nothing
>there is only being
>everything is one
>>7822305
One is only one possible mode how one will show itself so there is more than one.
>>7822046
You're not it alone, everything is.
>>7822046
Thank God I'm not the only one.
>>7822474
If there was anything making you think you were the only one you haven't read enough. People have been saying this since there's been language.
>tfw you realise you are
Sometimes i freak out at the absurdity of this moment and this is actually happening.
>>7822501
I think he was making a joke
>>7822518
Oh, derp. I was projecting. I didn't read when I started tripping. I actually did think I was the only one for a bit. Luckily I read the right stuff and realized how old hat my delusions were.
>>7822522
What's the proof for not being the only one?
>>7822555
If I were to accept that I literally were the only one, then on some level I wrote all of you into existence, and all the literature and history i've covered that showed me that there hasn't been a new thought on the grand nature of life and consciousness in thousands of years. Meaning I worked very very hard to convince myself that I wasn't the only one. Might as well listen to me and try to enjoy it.
>>7822046
>tfw you realise it is all one and you're it
>and the one is fucking horrific
>>7822587
so edgy
>>7822573
I didn't understand. Sorry. You don't have to try making me understand again.
>>7822596
If I were the only one, then I made the decision for the universe and all the people in it to be organized in such a way that very much seemed separate. So I did that for a reason. I'll listen to me and play separate for a while and believe that you guys are you guys.
>>7822598
Couldn't it be that you are the only one and nothing else exists and all the phenomena are arbitrary (not dependent on your will, but only your existence)?
>>7822501
What he said >>7822518
At this point I'm trying to work out the sociopolitical consequences of a dharmic ontological order. Once you realize you can't actually just shuffle off into oblivion, you realize it is of extraordinary importance to make the world better for your future self.
Want another joke?
Dalai Lama walks into a pizza shop and says "Make me one with everything."
>>7822573
>>7822598
The claim isn't necessarily that your individual personality is the one and only thing there is; such would be closer to solipsism.
Instead, the claim could be that your individual personality - along with all other individual personalities and individuated objects - isn't special compared to other humans, but is just a manifestation of one being, without intrinsic differentiations, that underlies all the differentiated beings appearing in nature.
>Solipsism
How can solipsism exist if other people are capable of becoming solipsists? There cannot exist more than one truth (the self); this would be paradoxical, would it not?
>>7822085
dude... we're all made of star dust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en-3Bz1RMig
I will never ever understand this whole "wow man, don't you just feel connected to the universe like we're all one, dude?"
Maybe I suffer from severe autism or something but I have never felt anything close to that in my life.
>>7823512
have you ever taken psychedelics?
>>7823486
If you're referring to OP, I don't see how it necessarily implies solipsism.
And a solipsist would simply deny that there are
> other people
(meaning other minds) in the first place.
>>7823516
Nope, I suffer from OCD so the thought of a bad trip has always kept them a no-go area for me.
>>7823512
> "wow man, don't you just feel connected to the universe like we're all one, dude?"
Do you think this is the only basis on which someone could infer OP's conclusion? As if there aren't any more rigorous ways of defending the concept?
>>7822048
Tag, you're it! No tagbacks.
>>7823539
Probably.
I don't understand the concept at all to be fair. It just seems ridiculous, I'm clearly a single entity, a brain generating a single consciousness, I am not the Universe.
It's not even a logical process that I've thought out, it's just I simply don't feel that way.
I read somewhere that high oxytocin develops feelings of a oneness with the universe, so I guess you could say I have low levels of oxytocin.Which is a shame because I'd like nothing more than to feel like this world isn't a cold, uncaring hell :^)
Rock on, dude.
>>7822052
>mfw no f to mfw with
>>7823539
yes. scientifically, everything is just energy undergoing a state of transition. organically, everything is just dirt: food for worms. the earth doesn't care about socially-constructed identities brought about by language. dichotomies are false differences used to construct superficial identities. the conception of self is just that: a conception that has no real basis in reality. nature is mute, silent, and not conscious enough to actually care.
>>7823570
Sounds like you're pretty close actually. What you're not noticing is your atomism (e.g. your answer to "what are things, ultimately?"). Atomism, or the idea of the world as constituted by "bits and void," is a false difference to construct a superficial identity, n'est-ce pas?
The phenomenal self is an appearance, but in reality, *anatta*. All the world is an appearance, and science speaks quite clearly of appearance but even science faces the same limits as language and metaphysics.
As to psychadelics, and noting they are essentially unnecessary to reach this insight (although they can help for grasping it viscerally), they are able to produce the sense of "oneness" because the appearance remains while the sense of self dissolves, leaving an appearance of "existing now" without the sense, or appearance, of "here is where 'me' and 'the world' divide."* In other words, you continue to sense the world but without being conditioned through a sense of self, producing the feeling of unity with the world.
I don't know if this helps to give more explanation to the more analytic approach to this conclusion, or maybe it just makes it more confusing.
*Gonna pull out my inner Zizek here to illustrate: the DS game "The World Ends With You" quite literally suggests an ontological continuity between the external world and the inner self such that the world exists for, and is determined ultimately by, the protagonist because he and the world are identical.
>>7822046
>mfw I have some lsd to use tonight
>mfw we all will be tripping tonight
Tune out of your own ego and tune into mine for some wild stuff. I know I will be doing that.
>>7823570
>>7823656
dirty socialist
>>7822085
actually, the real you is just a bunch of advanced mechanisms and physical reactions in your brain, fooling you into thinking you're actually some sentient being walking around on purpose
>>7823570
But should we think that the physicalistic, scientific domain within which these claims are (seemingly) made excludes any deeper, non-physical and non-scientific domain(s)?
>>7823667
No one actually thinks this anymore
>>7822046
Start by getting comfortable in the body. See if there is a local Qi Gong group where you can practice with others. This will help lots. Practice it every day and do this for a couple of months at least. I think this is a much easier way to learn breath energy than sitting. After you get a sense of the energy, then you can take that into a sitting practice.
For sitting: approach it with a sense of exploration, wonder, and curiosity. Don’t think about getting anything nor about interpretations. Have fun with it. When the body and mind relax, the energy will present itself - trying to do something or force something - to expect something - is not a relaxed mind. If you try to push forward, you block your way. When you sit, give the mind a chance to settle down - this can take 45 min or more. Sometimes the magic works and sometimes it doesn’t. When the mind is caught up in thoughts, that’s where you are at - so always need to attend to experience as it is happening and not trying to want it to be different. So how is it that thoughts are grabbing your attention such that you get sucked into them? You need to see what is going on here. You need to experience the feeling of ‘abandoning’ - that is a key skill.
Remember that the breath energy is like a set of training wheels on a bike - it gives you a pleasurable experience away from thoughts - a way for the mind to learn to be aware outside of attending to a flow of thoughts and it can carry you much deeper then that. If you are not aware of the breath energy then that is not the training wheels you should be using at that time. Find some sensation - could be just the sense of pressure on the bottom of your feet, or a sense of warmth in the body or coolness - something that you can use as an anchor for awareness to stay with in a relaxed way. It has to be something that you are aware of right now - not something sought after - which just creates tension in the mind. The breath energy will appear when it is ready. Attending to your experience in this way, eventually things will quiet down to the point where the stillness of the mind presents itself - explore it in silence. It’s a very personal journey - you just have to see where it leads for yourself.
Also it's not too surprising that Thai Forrest Tradition has some elements that are similar to Vajrayana; i think that Thailand was a hotbed of Vajrayana for a long time. My impression is that (unlike Mahasi Theravada for instance) Thai Theravada has elements that are close to Buddha Nature/nature of mind as well as energetic transformations perhaps?
There is a radical difference between a path that says we start in samsara and move towards nirvana, which seems to be a pretty standard view in many schools of buddhism, and a view which says we start each moment in awakeness and drift into samsara. Because with the latter (buddhanature) view there is an actually pure mind that is present in this and every moment with a pure view of 'world' (i.e., one informed by empty impermanence).
Practice based on discovering and expressing this nature of mind is very different in my experience because it doesn't require the disangagement in the same way as when practice is based on de-constructing all the samsaric movements of mind. I think these issues matter to me because while there is a part of me that is attracted to the outcome of stillness and freedom that you seem to describe, there is also a part of me that wants an intense kind of engagement with others and things and the world, but in the openness of having dropped all these naive notions of non-empty ways of being that samsaric mind projects onto phenomena.
cittamatra
>>7824867
You wish
>tfw when you finally understand the meaning of "absolute"
>>7822046
>tfw you realise it is all one and you're it
>you're it
>you're
nice ego, unenlightened fag
>>7825225
>rejecting a part of being makes one enlightened
The cessation of ego is not an annihilation of ego.
>>7825236
claiming "you" are everything is hubris
it's give and take. there is a you, and things flow between you and the rest. it's a state of constant flux, affect and effect. but no, "you" are not "everything". you are a part of "the everything", molding it and it molding you.
>>7825245
>claiming "you" are everything is hubris
ahahahahahah
>>7822506
This tbqh. I still marvel at the basic fact of existence every day of my life.
>>7825248
[insert enlightened meditation guru-themed navy SEAL copypasta]
>>7825245
>there is a you
[citation needed]
>>7825245
You're arguing semantics, you know.
>>7824867
Give me a reason to believe the mind and ego is more than chemicals and signals.
>>7825290
Give me a reason to believe the chemicals and signals is more than mind and ego.
>>7825305
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1FVc_4iHNw
if it is you, i'd argue for a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head
>>7825318
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3LK5ELvZwI
>>7822046
for you OP <3
http://advaita.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/1-I-Am-That-Nisargadatta-Maharaj-Resumo.pdf
>>7825508
oh i meant that for the other dude
>>7825267
nope
not that this shit translates to language very well anyway
>>7825783
Nah, pham, you're bothered purely by his use of words. Truth is, you have no way of knowing what he means by "you", and they probably don't know for sure themself.
It's most likely you're referring to the mental properties of a person, but these are obviously not the only ones that exist.
So, how do you define "you"?
>>7826013
>Truth is, you have no way of knowing what he means by "you"
no I don't. I can make an educated guess though
>>7826013
>So, how do you define "you"?
a pool thru which water flows through. the water is made up by sensations. some water linger in the pool, creating experiences, moods, ideas. but it is in constant flux. no static "you". and the pool is limited, though can be expanded with great focus. hence, everything cannot be you. you can receive sensations very far away from your "position" along the flow of the water but it doesn't mean you can be all the water, all the universe
does this metaphor suffice?
>>7822046
OP, it's nice that you've come upon this holistic perspective. However, have you started on your existential crisis yet? After all, even though everything is interconnected, and the self is an illusion, it's all still meaningless banal. There is no pre-set meaning to our existence; and what meaning we make is just an ideology manufactured by language (cultural signs and symbols that we subconsciously interpret as truth).
Not trying to troll you or anything. Just asking. Have you dealt with overcoming your existential crisis yet? Good to see you've destroyed the concept of identity, though; that's a good start, and that'll prevent you from being oppressive against other people.
>>7822080
Can someone explain this image to me? I understand that it is Hegel on a monk's body in front of a Koan, but why?
>>7826104
That's an enso, not a koan.
A lot of neo-fascist übermensch's in this thread.
>>7826104
I took it from this post.
>>7822046
>not inherently a solipsist
>>7822046
>Antigone realized this and resolved to kill herself because her dead onii-chan was her all along
>>7822046
Spinoza already proved this buddy
>>7823527
I had ocd too. LSD helped a lot
>>7823622
Underrated post.I wish there were more like you here
>>7826363
Thank you friendo :^)
The perspective that everyone is "me" in a sense has really impacted how I treat others, and you can imagine it gives a huge incentive to impact others in the same way. Just the apprehension that the world is One is the beginning of true philosophy, IMO...
>>7826062
You're still guessing that there's more water beyond what comes into the pool--and you infer that by the changes of the water, because at times there has been more water and at times less, you assume there are big quantities beyond the pool. And yet through all this, all this has been measured through the pool--it's by it that the quantities are labelled big or small, it's by its fullness that difference in quantity was inferred, and to begin with if it hadn't the right place or location water would not have ever come to rest in it. And yet still, is it not erosion that gives pools shape? But the water, could it be called that without a place to gather? Surely a river doesn't exist without ground.
You subordinate yourself to the things that you think are out of your reach. That there's no static "you", is the truth--in so far as you think temporarily. When you see time as a whole, things don't start, end or develop separately.
That everything can't be "you" is correct. But what can be everything? Nothing can be everything, only everything can be. You can't know everything, and you can't be everything; but you are everything that you are, and just the same everything that you know is you.
To think there is a water and a pool is to see things as separate; to see things as separate, is to not see difference is relative, and that leads to thinking fixedly, that is not in a state of flux--and when that happens, your thoughts and sensations, which were water, begin to see themselves as a pool.
I suppose that's what my meaning was.
>>7826517
>All knowledge is ultimately based on that which we cannot prove.
Seems as if Mickey Mouse is a fucking retard.
>>7826525
he's a fucking rodent, what do you expect
>>7823622
Good post
>it's a 'i have a meme understanding of eastern thought dude alan watts lmao' thread
>>7826620
>it's a 'i'm going to claim alan watts is not a valid source of understanding in eastern thought™, to people who don't really care or pretend to be learned in it, while providing no argument why he is bad or particular criticisms which would be useful, beacuse clearly strife and shame is what these people need and the reason why they're interested in these ideas' post
>>7826709
Alan Watts is the John Green of Eastern thought, and everybody who even has a Wikipedia-tier knowledge on the subject should know this.
I'm not gonna sit here and write an essay about why this alcoholic deadbeat meme pseudo-buddhist is for plebs.
>>7823622
I just want to tell you ı'm proud of you, Anon.
>>7826721
No arguments then? Good.
>>7826735
Writing essays on a Croatian Genocide Forum is liking pissing into the ocean. I'm not going to sit here giving lectures in Easter spirituality, when this meme thread is gonna be gone in a day.
People who have a genuine interest in Eastern traditions will find out on their own.
Just know that Alan Watts is shit, and not indicative of genuine Eastern philosophy.
>>7826762
>I'm not going to sit here giving lectures in Easter spirituality, when this meme thread is gonna be gone in a day.
That's a cute excuse.
>genuine Eastern philosophy
That's a cute spook.
>we are all le one XD
deleuzian retards who make shitposts like this should be pushed out a helicopter in the middle of a starving somalian village so they can yell WHOA BRO DON'T EAT AND KILL ME, WE'RE LIKE ALL THE SAME THING AND STUFF LMAO in a desperate attempt to convince them not to roast you over a fire
>>7823558
The universe by definition is all things contained within it. You are within the universe, therefore you are the universe.
>>7827300
the team is by definition all players within it. you are within the team, therefore you are the team
>>7827300
I was your mom last night
dualism niggers
>>7827380
>dualism
sure is middle-ages in here
>>7827383
word homie
>>7822506
seriously this happens to me
>>7823527
you pretty much only get a bad trip if you go in worried about a bad trip and get stuck in thought-loops. If you release and go with the drug you are guaranteed a good time
>>7826762
>"genuine philosophy"
Hmmm... I think Hermann Hesse warned me about people like you
it's funny.
/lit/ takes me to the edge with this shit.
Crisis because life isn't like the fiction I read
Consolation is in the philosophy I read
>try to tell a girl this
>she says it goes against hr Christian values
>we are all god, Jesus was just a man that had peeked beyond the veil
>this is unacceptable even though they say all the fucking time god is every where
>she still fucks me any way
>>7827465
My personal experiences prove otherwise.
>>7822046
>I comprehend the eternal Tao
>the Tao that can be named cannot be the eternal Tao
>tfw I can't explain enlightenment to any of my friends
>>7827545
He who knows does not speak; he who speaks does not know.
>>7827545
>not the only thing you know is that you truly comprehend nothing
>>7827545
chop wood, carry water
>tfw had a true moment of oneness and cried in wonder for an hour straight and was a completely different person for three months then slowly lost touch with myself and allowed the flesh to take over and believe ending this physical state to be the only way to be free from this torture but deep down know I was mean to learn and do something to overcome this nightmare, but the apathy is too strong
>your greatest fear is that the next life will have the same obstacle to over come until you seize it
>but the apathy has already won
>>7827562
This same thing happened to me a few weeks ago
>start meditating regularly
>read first two pages of the tao te ching
>become almost permanently enraptured in a blissful state
>everything comes so effortlessly
>I stop stressing about work, study, social life etc
>somehow perform far better than I usually do at all of them
>one day, it all stops
>I'm back to slogging it out
>all the old anxieties come back
Is this just another step on the road to enlightenment?
>>7827577
read lao tzu's drinking buddies: zhuangzi, buddha (dhammapada is a good collection of his sayings), dogen (zen buddhism), etc
>>7827477
hesse was more of a poser than watts
>>7827581
I've heard about Zhuangzi before, sounds dope. I've also read some stuff by D.T. Suzuki, so I might pick up one of his proper essay collections.
Are there any western philosophers who deal with similar stuff? I heard Schopenhauer was influenced a bit by Buddhism but I'm not sure where to start with him.
>>7827595
schopenhauer is basically buddhism lite. he didn't practice what he preached, but what he preached is logically grounded.
the penguin collection of his essays and aphorisms is a good starter for his work. the first 70 pages are relevant to buddhist thought.
stoic philosophy is similar to buddhism as well.
>>7825364
Well, at least hell isn't Avici.
>>7827607
Cool, thanks dude. I've already been exposed to stoicism, it's pretty nice.
>>7826762
>when this meme thread is gonna be gone in a day.
well "you" are going to "die" "someday" so just do it anyway faggot
>>7826813
>>7826762
Shall we only concern ourselves with that which endures? Surely there is beauty in the fleeting of time. Impressions upon memory like shadows upon walls, to be sure; yet sparked enough by the blaze of life, singed enough with meaning that teasing scent wafts upon the breeze long after the flame is doused.
>>7826517
I love this pic so much
>>7827369
Do you think the universe is a continuous whole or separated into parts?
>>7823499
dude...
weed
lmao
>>7826777
Sorry dude, Alan Watts is garbage. Even D.T. Suzuki, a jingoistic "Grorious Nippon" neo-Platonist who swindled gullible beatniks into thinking he was an authority on Zen Buddhism, thought Alan Watts was a clueless tool.
This thread is trash. Since you fags have a fetish for Eastern philosophy without understanding any of it, here is the Zhuangzi BTFO-ing monism.
>Now that we are all one, [how] can I still say anything?
>Now that I have called us all one, [how] can I have not said anything?
>One plus speech is two; two plus one is three. If we proceed on from this even an expert calculator cannot reach the end of it, how much less a common man?
>>7823622
thanks, i never really understood what basis people had for saying that 'we are all one' (probably because these that spoke in such terms were whacko spiritualists)
>>7825420
>you cannot say this is what i am
sure you can
I felt a lot of connection/spirituality/oneness when I was on antidepressants, and now I feel nothing.
>>7827980
>BTFO-ing monism.
Could you provide more examples of this if you have any? I am merely interested in debunking loonies going about spouting platitudes regarding the whole we are one thing.
I believed in oneness and really bought into Alan Watts, and some of the bhagavad gita for a while. This was when I was on anti depressants. I actually felt "spiritual connection". Now that I'm off I don't feel any feelings like that, although I still revere eastern philosophy.
>>7828006
Read the SEP article on monism or something if you want to get into autistic arguments about metaphysics.
Instant clue that someone is an uninformed ass-talker: they attribute "all is one" to Buddhism. In the Pali canon Gotama flatly rejects the doctrine "everything is a oneness" as hedonist/materialist philosophy, and in Madhyamaka to advocate for a monad is tantamount to affirming the svabhava that Nagarjuna and co. so stridently argued against. Monism is Vedanta, not Buddhist.
>>7828019
Aha, I see, thanks a bunch for taking the effort. Do you have any suggestions as to where to start when getting into Eastern philosophy?
>>7828028
Eastern Philosophers didn't start with the Greeks, so either they are wrong OR u don't have to start with the greeks, but either way somebody's lying
>>7828028
Rupert Gethin - The Foundations of Buddhism
Richard Gombrich - What The Buddha Thought
Bo Wang - Zhuangzi: Thinking Through The Inner Chapters
Brook Ziporyn: Zhuangzi: The Essential Writings
Jan Westerhoff - Nagarjuna's Madhyamaka: A Philosophical Introduction
Ignore everyone who tells you to read meme books about Ch'an/Zen. To understand Zen koans - and they do have a single correct interpretation - you need to be a scholar of Chinese Buddhism. There's probably good and accessible scholarship out there about Ch'an but it's so buried under the massive shitpile of "the zen of X" books that I've never looked for it.
>>7828047
>reading all of that shit
haha faggot buddhism is the stupidest spook ever perpetrated
>>7828049
I'm liking the post brother, keep up the good work.
Is there anything in the buddhist canon which is remotely similar to taoist literature?
I tried the sutra of innumerable meanings but it was honestly terrible aside from the parable of the burning house. I'm not looking for secondary sources.
>>7828058
Uh yeah sure, Chinese Buddhism. Better learn to read Classical Chinese, most of the exegeses, essays, records of debates, etc, has never been translated.
>>7828047
Thanks a lot man, I'll definitely look into it.
>>7825224
>tfw you finally understand the meaning of "tfw"
>>7827553
This desu. It sucks because when you experience satori you really want to tell the whole world about it.
Doesn't work so just keep it to yourself.
>>7827522
she is just using you as a giant dildo anyway.
>>7822046
No, you're a middle-class "free-spirited nomad" brainwashed by your peers, so that you buy their business ideas camouflaged as high-ideals. Read some Baudrillard or something.
>>7823622
That's unnecessarily pretentious and long-winded.
>>7828539
I don't think so at all; it's topical, unrepetitive, and not self-celebrating or rambling. Have you read much philosophy, if you think this is long-winded?
>>7828556
Easily deflatable by 1/3. Go project somewhere else.
>>7822046
you're a frog?
We are the universes way of experiencing itself.
So stop scratching your neckbeards and go outside.
>>7828571
a smallish infinite frogness
>>7827980
>Since you fags have a fetish for Eastern philosophy without understanding any of it
okay angry anon senpai, you've convinced me of yur wisdoms hue
>>7828563
Oh okay then, good points.
>>7828316
>tfw when mu gf
>>7823622
If all people posted like this 4chan would be GOAT
>>7828597
That Zhuangzi quote is quite relevant though. On the other hand, "Eastern philosophy" is quite broad. Some texts espouse monism, others refute it.
Alan Watts is trash though, that's for sure.
>>7822048
Define "it".
This thread just overflows with humility and non-ego.
>maybe if I say Alan Watts is trash I'll seem even more enlightened
I remember him talking on this particular subject of bettering one's self just to be better than others.
>>7822048
I'M IT!
THANK YOU!
buo
>>7829850
Hahahahah. Dude, Alan Watts is to the history of Buddhist thought what Neil degrasse Tyson is to the scientific method. Literally if you read books you will realize he had nothing of value, much less scholarship, to contribute. If your idea of engaging with "eastern thought" is watching his lectures on youtube, if you take life advice from this alcoholic piece of shit, you deserve to be made fun of. I'm not a Buddhist but it seems you wouldn't want to take seriously the moral recommendations of someone who couldn't bring himself to observe one of the four most basic moral rules of the entire religion.
This happens almost every time I see someone (rightfully) shit on Alan Watts, some fan comes in clutching pearls and taking the high ground. No one cares dude, you're on 4chan.
Hahahahah. Dude,
>>7831108
Watts attended Anglican seminary and received a Master's degree before defecting to Eastern meme philosophy. He was well-versed in modern Western theology, probably more Catholic than even Anglican, and unless I'm missing something he had a pretty good grasp on Buddhist thought. The entirety of his audio lectures are hard to get a hold of without paying for them, so by all means enloghten me on why Watts was shit.
Sure is Alan Watts in here
>>7822591
If you looked at the amount of suffering in the world, you would see that it's not edgy, just sad. Though, I suppose it's quite easy for middle class first-worlders to forget about such things.
>>7827447
Me too senpai
>>7831108
>I'm not an X but here's a fallacy
>No one cares dude, you're on 4chan.
It's funny how you're so worked up about a dead man not living by his words (words which he never even said he lived by), while you do the same yourself.
so we have some cosmic commonalities with niggers and abbos??
Count me out son
>>7826086
You do not need a purpose to be.
You are you, and you are here.
There is no greater purpose, any other thought is an illusion of an illusion, leading you to further confusion.
Which is good, confusion eventually leads and leaves space for understanding.
But let me solve your puzzlement, so you can stop labouring over nothingness.
You are god experiencing consciousness, experiencing mind, experiencing body and thought.
When you remove the parameters of thought, body, mind, and consciousness from your "being" then you are still you.
If you believe that it is a crisis that you are seemingly without meaning, then you are residing in the illusion of mind and thought.
Recede from your thoughts into the presence of mind.
Recede from your presence of mind into the presence of body.
Recede from your presence of body into the presence of consciousness, devoid of comparisons and attachment.
I cannot say recede from consciousness into god, for that is an undertaking intangible to me.
But in the presence of pure consciousness, that being is without judgement of right and wrong, or good and bad.
There you will find contentment, and there you will be relieved of existential crisis, it will not exist, for it is an illusion gripped by consciousness, but it is not consciousness, and it is not you.
>>7832215
DUDE WEED LMAO
>>7827562
One does not climb mountains to stay at the summit, but to gain perspective
>>7827980
>>Now that we are all one, [how] can I still say anything?
>>Now that I have called us all one, [how] can I have not said anything?
>being caught up in perception
>not knowing through logos
wew laddio
Can't believe you guys were going to let this 10/10 thread die
>>7822046
Yeah, but so is Jeb Bush, your mom, and that kid who beat you up in the school bathroom every week.
Then transcendent universal love seems sorta dunked.
>>7825298
Because we have isolated and demonstrated the effects of many neurotransmitter chemicals, like dopamine, adrenaline, serotonin and the like.
These chemicals are released by your body in response to certain stimuli, and it is this mechanism that causes you to manifest emotions.
Bish bash bosh, you can now basically look at the components of a human soul under a microscope.
Poor God of the gaps, those ever receding areas of mystery are squeezing him a little tight these days.
There's been a mistake, anon. We're not one, we're divided, isolated, stranded inside a net of divisions and polarities. Ontology of the chinese fingertrap.
>>7827980
I don't know how many mouths I have that can speak, but I know I have many.
>man some of me is such a faggot
>>7834972
What about consciousness and the (apparent illusion) of the permanent self?
>>7831370
>If you looked at the amount of suffering in the world
your first misunderstanding is that you think suffering is evil.
Suffering is not evil, it is change. And change is ultimately necessary for the survival of all of reality; time is an inescapable dimension. All of this means that darkness, way up at the ultimate, is the same as light.
>>7828573
>>>/reddit/
>>7832137
the Godhead is within all things my guy
>>7834972
>>>/reddit/
>>7822506
this happens to me as well lol
so strange
>>7826113
I'm struggling to understand what this means.
>>7835152
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S7402347#p7403827
>tfw you realize you're just a gingerbread man formed and packaged out of the cosmic dough, and will eventually return to it, and even if your physical distinction is lost, you'll still be there in the batter of the people you influenced, while your body is stirred into the universe.
>>7835591
hot
>>7835007
Not him, but I wouldn't say he's misunderstanding. It's just a different take on it. You basically touched on this with this remark:
>All of this means that darkness, way up at the ultimate, is the same as light.
Asserting that all things are made of light, or made of darkness, are both valid. It just depends on where you're positioned in the universe at any given time.
>>7822506
HOW STRANGE IT IS TO BE ANYTHING AT ALLLLLLLL
This is not really hard to see ; the shit really hits the fan when you realize "it" cannot reasonably have an origin
>>7836258
it's a loop all the way down
>>7822506
>tfw
>>7836258
Yep
>>7825290
who's being fooled
>>7822085
>that power stance
only good thing about that image
But that's not really true, anon. Everybody is different from everybody else, everything is different from everything around it. There is a one, a universe, that is, that you participate in, but you are not the same as the universe—otherwise, how could you possibly be ignorant about so much of it? You're not a telepath (nobody is), and I'm sure that there are many things that you still haven't learned...
I find it a little self-aggrandizing when people believe that they're a part of God. A reflection of God, a shadow of God, certainly... but if people were truly God, they wouldn't commit so many numberless trangressions and bestialities.
>>7837013
I'd also say that that monism destroys the possibility of authentic love. Love is only possible when there's a gap, or a difference between you and the thing that you love. Self love isn't really love at all... just look at all the narcissists in the world!
>>7822137
A E S T H E T I C S
>>7837013
>being this much of a Neal "The Grass" Tyson
>>>/reddit/
>>7837013
>. There is a one, a universe, that is, that you participate in, but you are not the same as the universe—otherwise, how could you possibly be ignorant about so much of it?
You're ignorant about the functioning of your thyroid gland or the beating of your heart, yet you still do it. Flowers bloom without knowing what blooming is. Anglerfish shine a light without a clue.
You don't need to know something in order to be or do something.
That, and the division between objects and entities is a conceptual one. The difference between 'you' and 'the chair' is like the difference between France and Belgium. It's really a continuum, but there's a conceptual line that breaks up the unity. There is only division by virtue of thinking so, and there is no difference without differentiating.
>>7837022
Loving yourself in the proverbial narcissistic way is a love of self that is contrasted with the lack of love for the other. The nondual love that stems from a notion of oneness is a love that does not deprive. It's quite a different phenomenon.
I'd say that monism is the only way authentic love can exists, since when you subscribe to the notion of gaps between things you can only love a representation from a distance.
There's a reason motherly love is often seen as the ultimate love, it has the least 'gap' of all.
