Should right-wing vestiges like Plato be removed from the curriculum?
>>7789119
No. It's not like he was right about anything.
>>7789119
Sure, why not?
>gay
>right-wing
Pick one
>>7789158
being gay is right-wing
>>7789159
which of his books should i start with?
>>7789119
No, but I would not be surprised if progressives made the suggestion to do so.
>>7789152
"Ah, Plato, that semite by instinct." - F. Nietzsche
Was Nietzsche an anti-semite?
Only once Foucault, Butler, Said, Fanon, and Derrida are wiped from the collective memory.
>>7789158
It's obvious that being gay is some kind of burgeois degeneracy
>>7789119
>Should right-wing vestiges like Plato be removed from the curriculum?
Should you be removed from existence?
R: Yes.
>plato
>right-wing
>plato
>vestige
Platos ideas lead straight to the construction of Nazi warplanes. And I'm quoting Heidegger here.
>>7789119
Should people who think in the left-right dichotomy be banned from academia?
>applying an empty, modern category to Plato
this is why philosophy and poetry should be kept secret from the hoi polloi
>>7789354
kek
>>7789364
It's true, read his Black Notebooks.
>>7789359
>from the hoi polloi
This is why declination souldn't be kept secret from the anglosphere.
>>7789268
He had antisemitic tendencies, yes. Was a different Zeitgeist though.
>>7789477
Fucking rekt
>Plato and right wing in the same sentence
Proof that right wingers don't even dare to read. The Republic alone is sufficient to trigger Nazis and others.
>>7789488
Think you're attempting to insult the wrong side of the spectrum. OP wants to remove Plato from schools. Why would the right want that if the erroneously believed Plato espoused their ideals?
>>7789423
Is there an English translation yet?
>>7789584
Not sure, I read some of it in German. But I can guess you can google the most controversial stuff and find some english translation.
>>7789119
Of course, on the condition that every single Post-Modernist, Marxist and all their shitty works get thrown down the Memory Hole forever.
Deal?
>>7789579
I think that anon interpreted OP as a false flagging right-winger who indirectly tries to claim Platon for his cause, because no one on 4chan actually holds the opinion stated in the opening post.
>>7789477
souldn't?
>>7789477
I think you mean declension, friend
>>7789655
this post is burning my eyes
>>7789669
You are retarded and probably new
>>7790000
I have an IQ of I think something like 132, and I've been here since Constanza began to inform people of their current year.
It's not an option.
Next, better question please.
>>7790019
I wonder what Joyce would think of this
>>7789747
Truth hurts, you Žižek-huffing faggot.
>>7789354
Care to elaborate? i'm curious
>>7790081
Anon seems to be exaggerating for effect. Unless there's really something in the notebooks a bit more explicit, but probably all that's being referred to is Heidegger's "History of Being" that traces the obscuring of our understanding of Being to Plato's apparent shift from some early more interesting Greek concept, to eidos, and the reduction of truth (aletheia--unconcealment) to visual correspondence. Mind, in the 50s, Heidegger gets an inkling that he was wrong about Plato in certain respects, and just about admits so in his essay, "Hegel and the Greeks".
>>7789747
Foucault pls go and stay go.
>>7790081
In the Republic, Socrates seems to basically advocate a totalitarian, eugenics based society. Totalitarian = NAZIS bro
>>7789119
Plato is the most influential philosopher ever to have lived. Furthermore, you also wouldn't have universities as we conceive of them without him.
It is important to study him though a historical lens. People who would read something as ancient as Plato's work, unable to situate it in the context of its creation, and take offense that it doesn't mesh with their contemporary progressive/liberal agenda are shortsighted and stupid.
Plato's writings also have literary merit that place his works alongside other classics of literature.
I hope, for your sake, that this is bait.
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>>7789488
but the Republic suggests that we should live in a rigid, hierarchical class based society???
>people still believe in the left-right spectrum fabrication
>>7789119
>le false flag shitposting
kill yourself
>>7789119
Don't forget, Neoreactionary ultra-capitalist accelerationism comes out of Deleuze and Guattari
>>7793512
this tbqhf
>>7789119
No, he should not. I don't really like his dismissal of the Sophists, but other than that he is very worth reading. The 'philosophy is nothing but a series of footnotes on Plato' meme is not entirely inaccurate.
>>7789747
nu male detected
>>7793840
I bet 50 bucks you believe in the Cultural Marxist boogeyman.
>>7793862
I bet you 50 bucks you've never kised a girl.
>>7790019
....are "American Nordic Pagans who convert from Christianity" really common enough that someone took the time to make a poorly drawn cartoon insulting them? Are there more than 12 of them?
>>7793959
...that's more common than you think m8, neofolk is a thing
>>7793840
is this picture satire of what people on the right think
>>7789271
so... 50 yrs?
>>7793791
And?
>>7792069
>It is important to study him though a historical lens. People who would read something as ancient as Plato's work, unable to situate it in the context of its creation, and take offense that it doesn't mesh with their contemporary progressive/liberal agenda are shortsighted and stupid.Plato's writings also have literary merit that place his works alongside other classics of literature.
But is his thought not important in itself? I'd think that'd be the more valuable reason to read him. If we read him and merely did so with the motive of understanding him as a figure of his time, then we've already dismissed the substance of his thought. Wouldn't the more fruitful procedure be to at least provisionally or tentatively take it that Plato has something to teach his readers *first*?
>>7794254
>important historical figures
>lol everyone forgets about them
>>7793862
How fucking deceived are you people.
/lit/ is fucking retarded. Most retarded board. I'm pretty sure /mlp/ is a better bunch than you fucking idiots.
>>7793862
And you can call something a boogeyman when you have no clue where are the roots but we all fucking know and it's well-documented.
Where are the intellectuals on this board? I can count all of them with the fingers of 1 hand.
/lit/ is literally lefties in college: the board
>>7789250
the sailor who fell from grace or whatever it is called
>>7794363
Absolutely. I was bringing up the importance of context with respect to some of his more controversial opinions that apparently might offend a modern liberal arts student (in response to OPs topic).
His thoughts are the most compelling reason to read his works, considering he is one of the greatest philosophers period (arguably the greatest).
>>7789485
No. He didn't. He looked down on anti semites. Even wrote about how much he loathed Wagner for his antisemitism.
>>7789250
Start with Confessions of a Mask, then read Spring Snow, Runaway Horses, The Golden Temple, and The Decay of the Angel (which has the GOAT title for a novel)
>>7794478
>All that has been done on earth against "the noble," "the powerful," "the masters," "the rulers," fades into nothing compared with what theJewshave done against them; the Jews, that priestly people, who in opposing their enemies and conquerors were ultimately satisfied with nothing less than a radical revaluation of their enemies' values, that is to say, an act of themost spiritual revenge...
Anyway, I'm not saying that Nietzsche was a full blown Kristallnacht antisemite but it's quite possible to find in the (christian) conservative line of german philosophical history, starting with german idealism, over to Nietzsche, Ernst, Jünger, Schmitt to Heidegger latent antisemtic motives. Of course one has to differentiate between the different types of antisemitism these people showed.
>>7794512
Congrats on picking & choosing your quotes to perpetuate this myth. He has condemned anti-semitism in several of his works and praised jews as well.
What FN have you actually read?
>>7789354
So if I read his work a Bf-109k4 will appear in my front lawn? Looks like I have some reading to do.
>>7794512
He was anti-Judiac but not anti-Semitic.
>>7794607
get lost nazi, /lit/'s the commie board
>>7794629
thought that was /pol/?
>>7794656
As socialism and Nazism are essentially the same, yes.
>>7789358
they should be liquidated desu
>>7794391
lel read a book you faggot.
