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At around what time in history did reading books become a predominantly feminine hobby?
How do we get men to read more?
Around the time that shitty romance novels became the staple of 'writers'. It all went downhill after Gone With the Wind.
>>7757278
Always.
I'd wager that men watch a lot more films. Perhaps that's related.
>>7757278
ho god...
women want entertainment, and they always find men to serve them.
this is why women cannot be authors.
men are too impotent to make something of their life, other than serving women.
In order to have the easiest lives, which is the life of leisure, women create a competition amongst men. this competition create much much suffering on men's side.
the best manners to amuse a woman is in bed and outside of bed. In bed, Most women are disappointed by most men. this is why most men take pride in making women wet.
men do not wish to be hedonistic like women, BUT to feel reality, to be noticed, to change the course of the universe and other formulation of this fantasy. Rallying people around a common doctrine, writing a book (as a medium of entertainment) is the typical form that they can express their ''wisdom''.
Women can do this to, but they do it for themselves, contrary to men who are always devoted to the reaction, against their actions, from whatever they perceive as ''the reality''.
Women buy these books because they feel when they read it. They have part of the excitement without enduring any risk at all. Women are always comfy. They never are in danger, precisely because they do not need to, thanks to men who take hardship after hardship for them.
Who produces entertainment ? men
who receive entertainment ? women.
>>7757290
lol no m8
this still isn't true. if a man is reading a book, it's usually for good reason. A female reading is usually just some pop crap.
too many Serious Men who dont understand the value of reading fiction and instead read Serious Things, like the latest niall ferguson or guns, germs and steel or some other respectable trash
>>7757278
Oprah?
It's not that reading is feminine, it's that book clubs are. Reading is a good way to just have a coffee with your "friends". It gives you something *constructive* to do in your spare time when your husband's working and you've finished the tidying up and you don't have a lower-class but ruggedly handsome domestic labourer to fuck. It also makes you feel like you're doing something with your life other than realising that yes, this is how it's going to be for the next twenty years (or until you divorce him).
>>7757450
anon it's not the 50s anymore, lfpr is a bit different now
>>7757451
Not among middle-class mums it isn't. Source: I have lived in a cesspool of small-town-just-near-London middle classness all my life. Fuck this cat-fight backstabbing shitstain of a neighbourhood.
>>7757461
working age women have a lfpr of around 75% in the uk, and this is mainly dragged down by people who didnt get a-levels (so middle class types generally excluded), with roughly 7% of them taking some time off at a particular point to look after the home/kids, mainly when kids are before school age
female lfpr in the 50s was closer to 40% for reference
source: ons
so yes among the middle class and most classes - aside from those who arent really employable, pls take your anecdotes elsewhere
>>7757493
You are taking a joke way too seriously. By which I mean you're taking it seriously.
Female hobby, male passion.
Women always try to emulate what men do, so they think by reading they can learn how to write.
The best female authors are always masculine lesbian types, forever living under a superior males shadow. eg. LeGuin and Wolfe.
>>7757366
I can smell your fedora from here
>>7757583
>wolfe
descarted
>>7757366
So...wait.Culture exists because of sexual selection.
It all makes sense now.Thank you,anon.
You changed my life.
>>7757278
I'm not a passionate reader, I only come to /lit/ because you guys have the best board. That being said, I can't see myself devoting more time to reading. I'm working in STEM and a large part of my time is devoted to my work. In my free time I have to devote a part of it to doing some sort of physical exercise(going to the gym) because it actively contributes to my attractiveness to the opposite gender. I also do skydiving and play guitar, things that wimmin find interesting at least. Not to say that I don't enjoy them or that I do them because of the attention, but it's something that keeps creeping into my reality. Reading is a completely passive hobby, you're not building anything, you're not being creative, it is a solitary hobby, you are not building human connections, it is time consuming and with watching movies and tv all day, at least you can talk about movies with other people. Not to say that reading is useless or that you should do only things that give you more tangible outcomes, but I'm putting this out there.
>>7757854
this is some tasty pasta
>>7757854
All those words.
All that effort put into sounding smart.
And yet...
>>7757899
Mate, we're giving you the benefit of the doubt here.
Just take it and move on.
>>7757366
so many stupid memes packed into what you think is coherence, yet is laughable at best. 0/10
Kinda what this guy said >>7757289
There's a little more to it.
A lot of it hinges on how men are turned on visually (they watch porn), while women aren't, necessarily (they read their porn).
The "erotica" genre is being geared towards a reading audience that is over 97% female.
I'll let that sink in for a moment.
Now, reading books took another turn for the feminine when e-books became a thing. Women could load up their e-readers and smart phones with porn, and read them during their commutes, while they waited for doctors, while they were bored in meetings, even at home--nobody can see that they're "looking" at porn because it's written--it could be 50 Shades, or it could be War & Peace. You can't tell from a distance.
So yeah. That's a big portion of why literature has become a feminine hobby, simply because they can get their desired porn, anytime, anywhere.
>>7757278
>At around what time in history did reading books become a predominantly feminine hobby?
The day writing became a pastime for mildly intoxicated housewives.
>>7757278
>How do we get men to read more?
Writing good books that make them want to read more but, the currently emerging anti-male culture is only worsening this situation. Soon it will be a taboo for men to even think that western literature could gather a little bit to their preferences too. While the 3rd wave keeps feigning ignorance, it is a scientifically proven fact that men have an inherit evolutionary biological trait which makes the majority of them interested in a different kind of entertainment than women. Brainwashing elementary school kids into embracing self-hate won't change their biological traits, it will only help in compromising their mental stability.
If you want a honest answer, learn from our Japanese brothers, this is the kind of literature that gets millions of boys and men to open books and read for days in a single breath.
>>7757278
says who?
You guys think it's a modern phenomenon, but go and read Chekov's The Literature Teacher (for example, though you can find more similar literature in Hamsun, Tolstoi and Machado de Assis, from the top of my head): Ever since the 18th century, women are encouraged to read and be cultured as "trophies" for their husbands, but they're never were (up to the 60s, I suppose) encouraged to do anything with what they read, which is why you see so much shit being targeted to the female public.
tl;dr: Aristocracy made women become heavier readers than men, but also made them read useless dreck instead of "heavy" /lit/ or philosophy for the last 200 years
>>7759589
shotacon?
>>7757439
Men read because they want to feel smart and Serious. Women don't care and want to feel good. It's a fundamental difference in approach, not necessarily a flaw in women that they are satisfied with dreck
>>7757278
The decline of men reading books corresponds to the incline of men wearing jeans. It started circa the great depression, and skyrocketed when the beat movement became mainstream.
It's all symptomatic of our cultures' change from the valourization of upper-class lifestyles to lower-class lifestyles. Perhaps Marx is to blame, maybe Dickens, ultimately, or maybe just the stock market. Of course the hobby remains an important one for women, because in our society's ideological whatever, they're afforded luxuries in all circumstances.
>>7759787
topkek... bromance m8!
>>7757583
>LeGuin
>good
Her books are vapid SJW slop, even the contents of my stomach after a pizza dinner are more intellectually stimulating.
>>7757374
The novel was a feminine form of entertainment for most of its history.
the 1700s
>>7757278
Why does it matter if men read more or not? Let womyn dominate with their shitty erotica, and let most men play call of duty all day. I don't see the issue.
>>7757439
>guns, germs and steel
>respectable
>>7759348
As a woman, I have no porn on my e-reader whatsoever. Just a whole lot of comedy horror.
>>7760501
>as a woman
nobody cares you chubby whore
>>7759780
Ah, but I am in one of the southern British colonies, and we definitely say mate here. Usually in the context of "Gidday, mate" and the a sound is mutated into an oi sound, but still.
>>7760484
This. Reading genre fiction is not much different than watching Transformers or playing CoD. It's weird that we give props to people for just reading even if what they're reading is trash.
>>7760501
as a man, anecdotal evidence is worthless
>>7760503
Obviously you care.
>>7760501
tits or gtfo
>>7760510
you have no power here you fat slag, scurry off back to your lair
>>7760521
Incidentally, that was someone else.
>>7757278
It started when men/boys were pushed out of education and education was aimed towards women(with men just being considered a nuisance).
It is well documented that this has happened/is happening and if men are being pushed out of the sphere of education and starts to loathe everything about school(a time when learning to read and enjoy books should be (input word)) then it is not likely they will be big on reading books after school either.
Prove me wrong
to be clear, when women wish to their egotism through a lack of narcissism towards a project, they betray their goal in saying ''this project is great, I love it, I love to do it, I had fun doing. I , i , I , I , I and more me me me me''. they justify their participation in the project because they love it.
Men do the contrary; they participate in project because they think it matters to do it. they do not use ''me me me me, I, I , I'' like women do.
The vast majority of men can't understand or appreciate art, including literature. Look at this board as an example. It has to be lit and ~philosophy~ because men can't just read for the sake of communing with the rest of humanity; they want to dominate and control, view themselves as a supreme thinker. Showing bookshelves and namedropping is all part of the pissing contest. Look at the threads right now. "Aesthetically pleasing book covers", "Is Tao Lin autistic", and of course the fucking classic "rec me a book about men with no feelings, I loved the stranger". Oh gosh there's "I am far too intellectual to enjoy genre fiction," likely facetious but 32 responses. I'm ranting about this now; I haven't posted here in a while but I do generally feel like men have a need to quantify the books they've read and knowledge they've gained. To inform their ego or gain capital of some kind I'm not sure. But it's unemotional and dry, and I think it's a lesser artistic experience than women have.
>>7760501
Yeah but you're also browsing /lit/. That suggests you have something of an interest in literature. Not every woman that owns an e-reader for glorified porn is interested in literature.
You're an exception here, is what I'm trying to convey.
>>7757278
>predominantly feminine hobby?
citation needed, straw man
>>7757854
>reading is passive
Ironically if you read more you might develop a vocabulary strong enough to understand why that statement is totally false.
>>7757854
Just read your next comment >>7757899 and saw that you're not a native speaker. My bad for the snarky comment about your vocab; your English is actually very good besides that one nuance I nitpicked.
With that said, relating to other people doesn't matter to me, and probably not to most people on lit. If we wanted relatability we would read Game of Thrones. I know literally 3-4 people who even know about the authors I read, and of those one is 44 years old and another 62.
At 21 the people my age don't know anything about lit tier reading, and that's fine. I read because I like it, not because I want to talk to chicks.
PS if you're a smart reader you can hit on girls reading any kind of garbage without having to read it yourself. They'll recognize that you "also read," imagining that their feminist drivel is the same as real lit, and you can just talk about their shit books.
>>7760541
Yes, women with their erotica, YA books, dime-store love stories, feminist slam "poetry," and "tee-hee look at me taking selfies to show off my books and my horn-rimmed glasses, I'm such a quirky book geek!" sure do appreciate art more than men. You can really tell from how all the great masters and critics in literature and other art forms are women.
>>7757854
>Reading is a completely passive hobby, you're not building anything, you're not being creative
You only say this because you don't read alot
How has this thread gotten so far without the actual answer?
It's the dawn of the novel that created this phenomenon. You can read all sorts of moralizers at the time lamenting how it corrupts women - the novel has been a feminine art form since the beginning.
>>7760443
This is true. From the earliest days of the novel (at least in English) it was seen as a feminine pasttime.
imagine a life where you have never been great at anything, never felt the urge to be great at anything, never felt that magnetic admiration to someone who was great at something, wanted to imitate and ultimately defeat him. Just nothing. Literally all you do in life is exist. Occupy space. pass the time. You're a chick.
You're bored,tweeting about your fucking hair and not even feeling any kind of happiness from it, just soothing your constant need to be bitter and cunty and petty toward other women. Every single thing you've done in the past year was mundane, shallow, and boring. You spent the last six hours reading kinda-interesting Reddit stories about people who made interesting Halloween hats for their kids or some stupid bullshit that you think is interesting and you may say is interesting but you're not really sure if it's really interesting. You're just fucking sitting there, gestating, fermenting, with a moist hole between your legs that guarantees you'll at least never have to get up and move around and work to support yourself.
And then you see men, over in some corner, having fun. You've never seen this before. What are they even doing? Instead of their consciousnesses merely sitting in their thick skull and revolving around itself, they are imbuing their conscious energy and intentionality into external objects, crafts, goals, projects. All the bitterness and cuntiness you feel nonstop seems to be absent, as they congratulate each other for being victorious, and happily learn from someone who defeated them. These creatures are truly content to be alive. They have found purpose in a purposeless universe.
And your gaze turns back on itself, on your self, and you realise you've never had that. You can never have it. You're just a stupid cunt.
So you get up, you walk over there, and you fucking ruin everything. Just ruin the whole fucking thing. The five seconds of attention you get will be worth destroying it. Because you're a woman.
>>7762891
I love this pasta.
>>7760488
>implying
>>7757278
Incorrect
Women use books as social capital, prominently displaying themselves reading because the material reality of their "reading a book" displays compatible qualities for what they find sexually attractive in a mate (more accurately, for what they think they find sexually attractive in a mate)
It all comes down to the need to attract a smarter, stronger alpha to procreate with and breed their slightly smarter, slightly better looking young in order to reach some teleological endgame.
Reading is just Aristotelian pour-soi auto-erotica for a generation of sociopathic breeding machines.
Men read because they enjoy learning
>>7763496
>Reading is just Aristotelian pour-soi auto-erotica for a generation of sociopathic breeding machines.
and so on and so on
>>7757366
>men are too impotent to make something of their life, other than serving women.
wew lad
>Who produces entertainment ? men
>who receive entertainment ? women.
Ever been to a strip club m8 :^) ?
>>7757366
so deep. you must be a srs philosopher wow
>>7763496
>Aristotelian pour-soi auto-erotica for a generation of sociopathic breeding machines.
Come again?
>>7757583
>Wolfe
this reminded me of how gene wolfe kinda looks like post-op genesis p orridgesorry gene
Recently my friends and I went out for a girls night to see Magic Mike XXL. And boy did this film take us for a ride, and I don’t just mean a Pony ride! Once all of the hoots, hollers and gleeful giggles had subsided, we stepped out of the theater transformed. And stepped into a world where every man, busboy, waiter and innocent bystander, had the potential (in our minds) to break out in a seductive dance or hop onto a table and start stripping. We for a moment saw men the way that they must see women.
Not only did we get a glimpse into a man’s world but Channing Tatum, and the entire cast of MM, showed us a whole new way that women can be appreciated and adored. Which made me realize two things: One, woman have been objectified in our culture, in movies, ads, tv, etc. for so long that it has become common place for a man to look at her as an object, his own personal sex object. And Two, women are desperately lacking having our own desires and fantasies, catered to, and fulfilled. Magic Mike begins the conversation to filling that void.
Everyone thinks they know why women flock to see MM XXL (or 50 Shades of Grey for that matter)… People are under the impression that women are just like men, that we go to watch this movie for the mostly naked, buff, shaved, sexed up bodies. Don’t get me wrong they’re definitely impeccable but that’s not the only reason we’re here, if we wanted to that we could just go to a gym. We are watching this movie because the men in it know how to treat women. Know how to play into our fantasies tease us.
These men are strong, sensitive, and giving women their full attention. No age, color, or shape is off limits, each as beautiful and worthy as the next. Tatum knows what turns women on (being and emotionally connected to his body, mind, and spirit while fully engaging with us) and he exploits it to the fullest degree.
>>7764902
So, why do we eat it up?
Because women are hungry! Women have just as many desires as men but they are not often being met. Women are aroused by every single one of our 5 senses, and probably even our sixth. We long for multiple kinds of stimuli (not merely visual) and today we live in a very visual society that caters mostly to a man’s desires.
Men are bombarded with sexually explicit images all day long; See a woman walk down the street, she’s scantily dressed, it’s suggestive to the male brain; Watch a TV commercial and there’s a woman looking at you while eating a burger like she wants to f*%k you; Not to mention the porn that is readily available on every single mobile device. Men are overloaded with images that have the potential to get them off.
So where does that leave women? Frankly we’re bored, and a little uncomfortable. We know we have more to offer than this, and we’re dying for you to know it too!
Women long to have an entire world to play in. One with a beginning, middle, and end. Where sight, smell, taste, touch and sound all come together for one uniquely, explosive and memorable experience. And guess what ladies, that’s not too complicated, it’s just who we are! We want all of our desires fulfilled during one experience!
We long for adventure, mystery, the unknown. We want to be teased, maybe even tortured a little- in a good way. We want to be tied to a bed post, role play, be put in a sex cage/swing thing (Whhaaat is that amazing contraption, and where can I get one now?!). All the while knowing we are safe during the process. We want to explore what we’ve never experienced before…
Since the beginning of time women have been described as goddesses. Harnessing some unknown, deeply seductive, power that cannot be defined or tamed. In America 2015, we have somehow lost that knowledge and our flames have been squelched. Whether it was forced upon us historically by the male species, or self induced by us because it’s easier than standing in our own light, doesn’t matter. It’s time to embrace our radiant femininity, own the powerhouses that we are, and share our divine selves with the world!
If we want to see what the male and female species are really made of, then we must learn to co-create with one another- in the bedroom, and everywhere else.
Ladies, if we want men to help fulfill us, we must be willing to open up and share ourselves! It’s up to us to get in touch with our deepest desires, then invite men to join us for the ride.
The more we are each willing to openly embrace and nurture this deeply raw, primal, sensuality inside of ourselves, the happier and more fulfilled we will all be.
So thank you, Magic Mike, for forging the way.
>>7764910
*want
>>7759780
>Being this insulted by what's essentially a low-key meme
>>7760506
Ah, but reading trash can *maybe* lead to reading things that do validate the reader as a somewhat intellectual person.
That being said, anyone can read patrician-tier /lit/ and take literally nothing away from it other than
"It really hooked me in", so my whole argument is worthless.
What are some good (low cost) masculine hobbies that aren't head on retarded (watching sports, killing animals for fun). I'd like to pick up carpentry or building small things but the initial capital costs are prohibitive.
>>7757366
You overloaded on memes. I suggest sauna and relaxation to de-load.
>>7757278
>How do we get men to read more?
Banning television and Internet pornography.
>>7763496
Lemme sum up what you said:
"Women read for coquetry."
Thank you for repeating Shopenhauer. Next comment, please!
>>7757278
Women have been novel readers and writers for a few centuries now.
Reading was easy and accessible entertainment, and one area in which women could have intellectual discussions together without being rejected or put down--as in politics or religion--by men.
Writing was also one area in which women could engage with society intellectually or creatively: either by using male pen names, or simply being accepted as women writers. After a while it became normal for women to be publishing best-selling books, and so it was one of very few intellectual and creative avenues open to them. They could create the art that they wanted to as well as engage in social commentary and critique through novels.
>>7764997
/fit/ness
>>7765055
Also, for about 30 dollars you can buy a good woodcarving kit and a block of basswood
>>7765025
>novel readers
aka total plebs
>>7765021
>reductionism at the expense of reason
>>7757439
>GGS
>good
As I can see it, women are less likely to engage in a “serious” reading, and are less innovative. Men don't read that much but are eagerer to break the rules and go through a complex production. Of course, both are what I consider a “trend” and countless exceptions exist to prove such a generalisation is pointless in a real setting.
>>7765888
trips of truth
>>7765888
I'm sure your psychopomp is going to give you a hearty pat on the back for having such selective taste once you pass through the final curtain.
>>7759780
I'm Dutch and you island fucks stole that word from us along with half of the nautical terminology you use.
Christ Almighty... Does everyone in /lit/ serve with stereotypes?
>wimmin have porn on their ebooks
>men want to dominate humanity, therefore are ignorant/arrogant
Men read whatever books they choose and a majority of them are books about hobbies/interests/suggestion given by another close friend,family member,woman so as to have more elaborate conversations with said persons. A majority of men also prefer books which have some sidetrack/backstory of a Fandom(for example Star Wars(kek my example))
Yes, those are the stereotypes, i can point out some more, but do not forget the 3-4% of men who share your interests.
You say you want to increase the male reading numbers.
You can start off by asking them their hobbies, finding a book about said hobbies and then reading it with them. Say, make em read 100 pages per week or shit like that. Some won't even read 100 for 2 weeks. Make some deals with them("If you read this, i'll do this, that") which will pique their curiosity. Ask them their favourite fandom, find a book you both will equally like and eventually, the males will show interest into other pieces of literature and THEN offer your suggestions.
Education doesn't matter, history doesn't matter, interest matters.
Can I please have my fedora now?
>>7759589
What are you even trying to say in this post? Please explain without a bunch of buzzwords.
>>7766206
This is the most female advice I've ever seen. Their favourite fandom, jesus christ
>>7760541
London?
>>7757854
>I'm working in STEM
Dumb ass detected; I stopped reading there.
It's simple, really. Poetry is for men, prose is for women.
>Sappho is a great poet because she is a lesbian, which gives her erotic access to the Muse. Sappho and the homosexual-tending Emily Dickinson stand alone above women poets, because poetry's mystical energies are ruled by a hierach requiring the sexual subordination of her petitioners. Women have achieved more as novelists than as poets because the social novel operates outside the ancient marriage of myth and eroticism.
>>7763384
yes, I am implying. Whatcha gonna do about it faggot
>>7763496
>Reading is just Aristotelian pour-soi auto-erotica for a generation of sociopathic breeding machines.
absolutely brilliant.
>>7764903
>and probably even our sixth.
what?
>>7762891
Man this pasta is missing a mention of daddy issues between the 3rd and 4th paragraph. 8/10
>>7767630
women's clits ache when they sense good sangria is nearby
>>7767680
idk why but I laughed
>>7757278
When the novel surpassed poetry
