What does /lit/ think about sigmund freud?
Fixed Marilyn Monroe right up, great therapist
He is no Jung
Sigmund Fraud
Penis, castration, incest
Arrogant pervert.
Jung was substantially better.
how dare he suggest that i want to bang my mom, he is obviously a very bad man.
>>7747987
He must have been well aware of that phallic cigar
I want to gouge out his eyes.
You shouldn't ask a bunch of undergrads and pseudo-writers what they think about anything.
>>7748081
Says the non-education neet with nothing to write
>>7748081
psedo-intellectuals was bad enough, but pseudo-writers is just pushing it. wtf. are they breathing pseudo-air too? fucking twat
petition to retire the word pseudo forever
>>7748099
Get a load of this pseudo-anon
>>7748121
But the load itself is pseudo :(
A genius. One of the greatest thinkers in human history, obviously.
It's a shame that the "psychoanalysis is pseudoscience" meme took off so well, but at least he retains his rightful influence in academia.
>>7748133
>tfw you're in a pseudo-ontological conversation
>>7748144
Gets too much blatantly wrong to be a genius.
>>7748146
>le wojak pseudo-meme
>>7748144
Read Gellner's The Cunning of Unreason, and then see if you can still say that
>>7748144
If it were a science it would have experimentally replicable outcomes. Psychoanalysis is an art
>>7748161
>gets too much wrong
this short phrase assures me that you don't understand Freud
In his Sigmund Freud’s Mission, Erich Fromm describes how Ferenczi
wrote to Freud, on 5 February 1910: ‘. . . the psychoanalytic outlook
does not lead to a democratic equalising: there should be an elite rather
on the lines of Plato’s rule of the philosophers.’ Fromm goes on to say:
‘Freud answered three days later that he had already had the same
idea.’
The institutional implementation came about two years later.
Ferenczi’s scheme was reformulated:
. . . the ideal plan would be for a number of men who had been thoroughly
analyzed by Freud personally to be stationed indifferent centers
or countries. There seemed to be no prospect of this, so I [Jones] proposed
that in the meantime we form a small group of trustworthy analysts
as a sort of Old Guard around Freud. It would give him the assurance
that only a stable body of friends could, it would be a comfort in the
event of further dissensions.
Freud replied with lyrical enthusiasm:
What took hold of my imagination immediately is your idea of a secret
council composed of the best and most trustworthy among our men to
take care of the further development of psycho-analysis . . . This committee
would have to be strictly secret in its existence and in its actions
Eventually, there came to be seven members of the Secret Council, each
one wearing a special gold ring as a sign of his status. The council naturally
included the grand padrone himself.
Reading all this, one may well wonder whether one is studying the
history of scientific association, or whether one has strayed into The
Godfather.
Scientology anyone?
>>7748179
Even psychoanalysts don't think of it as a science. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's an art, but it's certainly art-like, especially primary Freudian texts.
>>7748176
Want to give me a tl;dr? If it sounds interesting I might have to read it.
>>7748196
*yawn*
>>7748212
This is one of the most important general features of the Unconscious
as conceived by Freud and the entire tradition of thought stemming from
him. An alien realm with alien laws, but its denizens are utterly familiar
– occasionally bigger and smaller perhaps than their neighbours in the
realm of the Conscious, wearing all kinds of fancy dress, habitually and
compulsively given to all kinds of transvestism and role-swapping,
disobeying all the habitual rules of space and of time sequence, of addition,
subtraction, plus and minus signs, proportion and perspective, and
every other kind of regularity – but, when all is said and done, closely
resembling their familiar neighbours from the good old conscious world:
not only are all the normal inhabitants to be found there, but no one else
much seems to have swelled their ranks. The Unconscious is like some
low hostelry just across the border, where all the thieves and smugglers
indulge themselves with abandon, free of the need for camouflage and
disguise which they prudently adopt, for fear of the authorities, when
they are this side of the frontier. At the same time, they allow themselves
any fantasy they like while they indulge in their revelries. But under all
that, they are still the same persons as we knew this side of the border,
where they present themselves with deceitful sobriety.
In brief, it is like meeting all one’s friends, enemies and acquaintances,
but at the carnival and in fancy dress: one may be a bit surprised at what
they get up to, but there are few, if indeed any surprises as to personnel.
At carnival time, the townsfolk dress and behave strangely: but the population
of the town seems to be exactly the same on working days as during
the great fiesta. They invert their roles and alignments; ranking goes
topsy-turvy; but the kind of thing that they do still seems to make perfectly
good sense in terms of ordinary weekday language.
Psychiatry is just another racket for the Jews.
>>7748186
this short comeback assures me you aren't willing to deal with any criticism to your opinions.
>>7748217
>the perfect example of the average psychoanalyst
>>7748205
>wouldn't go so far as to say it's an art
Then how far are you going? It is intellectual masturbation, nothing scientific.
>>7748224
It's not a comeback, it's a dismissal.
i really dont like him but im not sure exactly why
>>7748257
it's both and it shows nothing but fear and hubris.
>>7748244
Psychoanalysis is valuable precisely because it *isn't* a science, because it recognizes something with which science absolutely cannot engage. Science is not the only valid system for understanding humanity, and in fact has many dangerous weaknesses. You should read Dialectic of Enlightenment, or at least the first 10 pages.
>>7748276
>see Neuroaesthetics
But even in that area I wouldn't trust fucking psychoanalysis with a 20-ft pole. I'd go for good old phenomenology. At least phenomenology stays in the realm of the descriptive.
>>7748289
>human beings are biological machines with no consciousness
ITT: Pseudo anons
>>7748329
Bingo
>>7748329
More like consciousness is a model that is explained by the aggregate of various biological factors merging together, and not its own 'plane'. If you lack one factor, you lack one aspect of consciousness
Metzinger goes really deep into this you know and he discusses actual experiments about how the conscious self-model can be fucked up with like the 'ghost-hand' experiment as well as stuff like how having this brain problem can cause you to lose the ability to read faces but fail to even recognize them as what they are.
But all that is definitely better than Freud's model of unconscious
>People that argue psychoanalysis is not a valid framework
>People that want to engage in the most boring discussion about psychoanalysis possible
Take a class in Freud or Lacan. You will quickly understand that nobody gives a shit about clinical implications, nobody cares about the medicine or the proof, just like nobody cares about empiricizing Kant or making Hegel intelligible.
There's more at stake if you'd take your fedora off.
>>7748373
>class
Hehehe enjoy that student debt, I'll stick to poetry for the aesthetics.
>>7747987
Sigmemed Freud? I guess he cured a wolf man.
>>7748398
and the man of the rats
>>7748373
actually you would be surprised how many academic philosophers/historians/sociologists/whatever of psychoanalysis are trained and practicing clinicians
like really surprised
>>7748161
Yeah but even if the majority of shit he's said is considered hackish he was the beginning of it and even if he's wrong that sort of analysis had to start somewhere.
>>7747987
He failed to understand the woman.
>>7747987
Freud gets a lot of bull from modern psychology because his methods were not scientific, but he still deserves credit for basically spearheading the analysis of the mind. Even evidence-based, my science is better than your clinical evaluation (and I can prove it), Meehl gave him a shutout in his selected papers in psychodiagnosis
>>7748465
Kierkegaard already said a lot of what Freud did that isn't BS. But yes, Freud was the first to try to explain it all and kick start psychology. Kind of like how a caveman slapping a wall and grunting rythmically kick started music
Which of his works should I read.
>>7748788
Start with the 2011 revised version of Everything I say is Wrong with the foreword from Sam Harris
>>7747987
Man his view on civilisation as the repression of libido by the Eros is quite nice. The only problem is no the sexually-centered analysis, it is just that he lacked a deeper view.
>>7748788
Some people just read Civilization and Its Discontents and have enough innate Freud knowledge to get most of the ideas, but you should probably start with his dream interpretation stuff if you're in it to win it. Then read his introductory lectures and Civilization.
he le opened le debate :^)
>>7747987
Psychoanalysis is useful, but only for the interrogation of texts if you're attempting to explicate some kind of psychological depth to the work. It really shouldn't be used to treat the mentally ill
>>7749372
top post
>>7749490
If it has no application to the actual inner psychology of human beings then what application would it have for analysis of a text written by a human being?
