Was it rape?
Rape is a point of view.
Regardless, she was just a child, she couldn't have been aware of the harm she was causing to such a vulnerable man.
The funniest part of this book ( and it is often very funny) is that Nabby sets Humbert up to be a murderer and then has the mom get hit by a truck do she is out if the way.
>>7702399
>Humbert himself admits in the narration that he catches her crying when she thinks she's alone near the end
Yes. It was definitely rape.
>>7702402
>Rape is a point of view
>Regardless, she was just a child, she couldn't have been aware of the harm she was causing to such a vulnerable man.
Now now, friend, I'm in favor of legalizing softcore child porn as much as the next sane human being (which is to say 100%), but rape is rape, regardless of age, sex, gender, really pretty much anything. Using another person sexually is pretty much the worst thing a human being can do. Other than scaphism, of course
>>7702434
>woah, slow down a bit there bucko and reread what you've just written
and yes OP it's rape and it's a detestable book
>>7702429
Not funny "haha" funny "queer"?
I almost cried when Charlotte died, regardless of how annoying she was. One of the most tragic characters i've ever read.
Interesting, though, having HH be such an empathetic self-hating villain of a protagonist
I interpreted it as being an allegory for the decline of moral values in the United States.
I was probably completely wrong, but whatever.
Most definitely not rape.
>>7702454
Nabakov wrote in the Afterword that it wasn't an allegory for anything. No symbols. Just character.
>>7702442
Whom are you quoting? Are you talking to yourself? My points stand, as it seems to me.
Give me a single logically consistent reason why softcore "child porn" shouldn't be legal
>>7702442
>and it's a detestable book
ok
After two readings I've come to the conclusion that Humbert is so delusional he may never have actually gone past the point of marrying Lo's mother, except in his mind or in his works.
>>7702495
I think a third reading will help pull your head out of your ass.
>>7702434
>Now now, friend, I'm in favor of legalizing softcore child porn as much as the next sane human being (which is to say 100%), but rape is rape, regardless of age, sex, gender, really pretty much anything. Using another person sexually is pretty much the worst thing a human being can do. Other than scaphism, of course
found the guy who never had ONS and even less orgies
>>7702399
if you think it wasn't rape, you've misinterpreted the novel in the same way that every other dense headed redditer pleb misinterprets it
>>7703748
Not him, but I personally think that this could be resumed as "The Hunted Hunter". Dolores was sexually capable, and exploited her appeal to control him for childish desires. But she later realized that he was too much for her. Of course, since she didn't wanted to have sex with him this was not 'morally correct', but he felt this as love. Love and fear of losing her. The guilt is dealt 50-50%.
Anyway, the greatest villian of the story is the 'law'. He should be legally able to have a consensual relationship with a young girl.
>>7703966
>Anyway, the greatest villian of the story is the 'law'. He should be legally able to have a consensual relationship with a young girl.
>>7702399
Yes, lolis are for caring and protecting
>>7703966
Anon, Dolores used sex as her only tool to keep Humbert at bay. She was forced into the position by him and clearly doesn't want to be around him, in the end she turned on him like a professional. That doesn't make her a 'guilty' party, it makes her an adaptable figure. She used the only power she had to get away from him.
Remember that Humbert is an unreliable narrator, and probably would want to portray himself as a victim. Ironically you fall into the same trap as Humbert, in trying to justify your actions by becoming the victim of the victim, or as you put it "the Hunted Hunter". Humbert is a child-rapist, and he sets up a complex system of mental gymnastics to justify himself, all the while admitting his own guilt. In this paradox he is able to be both the tragic victim and the passive aggressor.
>>7702399
Lolita raped humbert
>>7702434
Women love to cry, it doesn't prove anything. They find it cathartic, and positive.
>>7702464
>everyone get a load of Mr. Author's Intent over here
>>7702399
Did you even fucking read the book?
>>7704910
lmao why do people react so viscerally on this board??
chill out dude join the conversation. dont just toss out some simplistic angry shit you silly fuck
>>7704955
Because people ask stupid fucking questions.
>>7702464
I think there is video on YouTube with that interview. He just wanted to go for a 'light' novel. I really enjoyed the book desu. Most of the people that ever hear about this book just oversimplifie the entire thing concentrating only on the sexual aspect of the relationship. I always thought that HH lolita tendencies came from losing his close friend in early childhood.
>>7702399
That a good question, anon. I mean, if we take HH at his word, then she was asking for it. But since he's an unreliable narrator we're left to guess. And even if she was "asking for it" she's still a child an doesn't necessarily understand the repercussions of her actions.
But I guess we can read into it whatever we want.
>>7704197
Pretty much this. I think it started as fascination with a older men but very quickly she know how to exploit his feelings . She played him so she could run away with that other guy cannot remember what his name was, and years ago she knew that he wouldn't refuse helping her financially. Yes HH was a pedo but far from the stereotype of Fedora neckbeard image that most would associate. Same way Dolores wasn't the sweet 'pure' innocent child.
>>7705206
>I always thought that HH lolita tendencies came from losing his close friend in early childhood.
...and Nabokov's tendencies. I could not deny that Vladimir was a closet pedo. I can understand that feelings of loss in the childhood.
Source: Me, I'm a ped0.
>>7705277
>she's still a child an doesn't necessarily understand the repercussions
In a way yes but her first sexual encounter that we know of is when Dolores and her friend took turns with camps counsellor son in the forest
>>7705293
R@y is that you?
>>7705314
Nope.
>>7705407
>cyka blyat
When kgb says you are X you are X or you will be persecuted until you admit to lying about not being X
>>7702434
>Now now, friend, I'm in favor of legalizing softcore child porn as much as the next sane human being
Woah, how many people on /lit/ agree with this?
>>7705455
Because a lot of reasonable and intelligent people browse /lit/.
The book raped my mind with how shitty it was.
>>7704197
>watches shitty anime about boxing
>thinks he can lecture people on literature
Sluts gonna be sluts, no matter the age.
Humbert was the victim, it's plain as day. Shit's even spelled out in the most blatant way possible so even the dumbest of the dumb can get it: at the end with her being pregnant (an adult) and him still unchanged (the child in the body of a man).
>>7705697
>>watches shitty anime about boxing
>implying that I didn't just take that image off of a meme board at random
>accidentally outs himself as a person who can identify animes off the cuff
>actually watches shitty anime in general
>thinks he can lecture people on literature
Lolicons gonna be lolicons, no mater how many necks.
>>7705460
ah the life of an intellectual, can't stroke little girls but we can always stroke our own egos...
>>7705916
why does child mean victim? If I say Hitler was childish does that mean he is the real victim of the holocaust?
>>7706367
He was obviously framed by the soviets.
>>7702399
No, but still is morally questionable.
A child can give his consent to have sex with her, but even if consensual, no adult would proceed to hurt the kid in such a way - it is almost a rule that early sex, even if conventional, ends often in some form of self-destructive behaviour. The child is for the most part unaware of the consequences of the act, their agreement in their innocence cannot be taken as the word of an adult.
>>7705916
Yes and no. No one can be guilty of having sexual thoughts involving childs, but they can and are very much guilty of making their thoughts factual. Even if H.H was simply attracted to young girls product of some mental illness or alteration, he is sound enough to realize why it is wrong to proceed in his desires, which he does regardless of that.
>>7706488
>product of some mental illness or alteration
Implying that it is a mental illness...
>>7707758
this.
pedophilia is a social construct
its perfectly natural and fine
>>7705468
If they actually believed in the abhorrent shit theyre spouting they'd say it regardless of any potential consequences. They're cowards for not openly representing their views in public desu
>>7706010
I know it but I haven't watched even a single episode of it.
I watch anime, yes. If reading Nabokov doesn't make you more intelligent and your opinion have more worth I don't see why watching anime as a whole should have the opposite effect.
I'm not a lolicon but if a slut teases me I'm gonna have a hard time not responding if she's that hot, she's not a fucking kid, if you hadn't noticed.
>>7705314
Hue
>>7704197
I have a movie for you
>>7708079
>I'm not a lolicon but if a slut teases me I'm gonna have a hard time not responding
question
If you can't control your impulses, ie using your unique ability to exercise reason, what exactly is the difference between you and any beast of the animal kingdom?
pedos are subhumans and that's that.
>>7708339
The difference is that a beast would act without actually being teased. Wheter you like it or not we are animals and have instincts as well as reason, some have stronger instincts than others, it doesn't mean they are not capable of reason.
>>7708361
No, it just means you shouldn't be in society if you can't keep your dick in your pants. It means you're weak willed.
>>7708364
I'm a sex addict. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>7708364
This desu. At least try to embrace the finer points of stoicism.
>>7708367
>im addicted to fucking kids
>I can't help it
>I'm the real victim
Then you have a mental illness and should be put in an institution.
If you fuck kids you should be in jail or you should be in the hospital receiving treatment.
>>7708373
PC people can talk about putting pedophiles in jail all day long, but as soon as you have a kid of your own you will have no qualms about putting a bullet in their head, I guarantee you.
ITT - Pedophiles justifying pedophilia: echo-chamber edition.
>>7708376
sounds like good old regular 4chan to me.
>>7708375
Friendly Fire.
I'm on your side anon. Pedophilia is a mental illness.
>>7708373
I never said anything about kids. It seems to me like you're the mental one.
Even if I had impulses about kids I still wouldn't follow them.
Anyway a 14/15 years old is hardly a kid. Girls are fertile at 12.
>>7708384
Your position is defending the actions of pedophiles.
>>7708384
Fertile is not the same thing as mentally ready, desu.
>>7708394
this. girls are no longer mentally ready, because parents no longer train them to be adults.
>>7708384
>Anyway a 14/15 years old is hardly a kid.
girls are aware of their powers as soon as they blossom, especially since they watch movies where females are glorified as liberated through always more sexual liberties and always less sexual responsibilities.
>>7708414
>live in NYC
>actually am friendly with lots of girls
>if they live alone they cant cook or shop or clean effectively, they basically live like slobs and their relationships are infantile, and if they work that is how they define their lives (but they still hope to stick a rich man)
>if they live with their parents their parents do everything for them
true desu
>2016
>not having a sexual / emotional relationship with your father
You poor unloved by your father plebeians
>>7708509
my dream is to pig roast a girl with her father.
>>7708537
Usually it is a girl + her mom combo. I do applaud your take on the entire thing. Work the daddy issues angel with her actual dad. Ingenious
>>7708394
>>7708414
That's why I said 14/15. If "mentally ready" is the problem why don't we measure that instead of age?
Also why would someone need to be mentally ready for the sexual act?
There are a lot of cultures where children watch their parents have sex and most of them are stress free societies.
>>7708391
I'm defending the disposition.
>>7708385
Learn to read, imbecile.
Having sex with a condescending girl shouldn't have any legal consequence, what are you even talking about? No one ever talked about girls who don't want it.
>>7708418
>live in NYC
That's true for the whole western world, with few exceptions, obviously.
>>7708079
>I'm not a lolicon but if a slut teases me I'm gonna have a hard time not responding if she's that hot, she's not a fucking kid, if you hadn't noticed.
But anon, your definition of "not a kid" happens to be "if she's a teasing slut". You're a self-realizing pedo.
>>7708244
Awesome movie, 10/10, would be proud if that was my kid.
>>7702399
Impossible to say, really. Narrator is not reliable, even the infatuation she displays at first might have been his way of projecting a validating "first step on her part".
If narrator is taken to be reliable, then no, not rape, really, but another form of sexual crime associated with the behaviour. In my country it's by default incest because despite not being the blood father he was the one representing the paternal authority.
>>7708418
>>if they live alone they cant cook or shop or clean effectively, they basically live like slobs and their relationships are infantile
20-30% of people are waste of existence. Welcome to the world.
>>7708698
For the thousand time a 14/15 years old is not a kid. A person who is attracted by teenagers is not even defined as a pedophile, you ignorant fuck.
Once a slut, always a slut.
>>7708761
Keep trying, lolicon.See you on Catch a predator!
