At what age did you realise that existential angst is actually not a natural part of the human condition but the result of a Capitalism's ubiquitous hold on the material world and the corrupt value system that comes with it? For me, it was 12.
Pic unrelated, but I'm curious to know what Orwell would think of Neoliberalism if he were alive today.
I was about 14.
He would have loathed it.
>>7696600
I've had existential nightmares since i was four and just accepted them, rather reluctantly, as a part of my nature.
>>7696600
>Neoliberalism
here goes that buzzword again, why don't you define neoliberalism for me champ
>>7696636
They should go away once you're experiencing a fulfilling life that has meaning, with a deeper connection to the material world and no longer alienated from your work and other people.
Sadly this is not possible under Capitalism.
>>7696646
Liberal globalist capitalism. It isn't a buzzword you utter shitcunt.
>>7696659
>liberal
>globalist
>capitalism
now define every single one of these, seems to me like you are one little shitposting commie
>>7696646
Neoliberalism is the economic ideology that the increase of free-trade and deregulation of markets will benefit all. It fetishises globalisation and the private sector as solutions to social problems of the world.
It is Kickstarter, Big Oil, Tesla, Apple, Obama, Trump, Hillary, China, Liberal Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Facebook, Google, Hoverboards, Advertising, Politics, etc... It's your entire conceptual lens for viewing the world and everything in it because you cannot envision an alternative because it is ubiquitous and all-encompassing.
>>7696646
>neoliberalism
>buzzword
Do neocons not even know how to use Wikipedia? Jesus.
Neoliberalism is the term for the modern manifestation of *classical* economic liberalism. Hence the "neo" in front.
Go back to trolling redditors you fucking mongoloid
I was about 14 or 15 when I came to that conclusion. It helped to end 5 years of depression and existential anxiety, and made me grateful that my suicide attempt at age 11 failed.
>>7696600
>existential angst
existential angst stems from the nature of the humanity: hedonism, that is to say , the avidity towards pleasures, through all the senses + your ideas, and the aversion towards pains, through all the senses+your ideas, to the extend that you cling to them and identify through them.
the liberal doctrines are the practice of hedonism, with their continuous fight through either the reality or the society, in order to always have less pains and always more pleasures, or in their vocabulary, always more liberties with always less responsibilities.
the day you stop taking seriously what you sensate is the day that you become free. your angst has nothing to do with your buzzword of neoliberalism. The liberal doctrines are nothing but the praxis of hedonism on a massive scale of billions of humans, that the liberals-libertarians have created. the rationalism that is behind these doctrines always serves the hedonism.
Rationalism is always the study of what you think is exterior of you: either Nature or the society. yesterday, it was the physical science which was the the savior of the humanity for giving us the means to ease our life. after hegel, the focus shifted to the social science : to be free was to know how the society influences our choices.
but these two rationalisms are useful only to hedonism, with the old faith of being free = doing whatever we want = being happy.
*looks at calendar* 27
>>7696600
>capitalism has a monopoly on angst
top kek
you're all just rich bitches looking for something to blade for your existential angst.
I'll reply to this with a couple quotes and links later until then take this as rant.
I'm from a third world country whose poor benefitted from capitalism given that before when trying for socialism our leadership was as it always is every where, too incompetent to control for everything.
>>7696749
>rich
i'm a poor neet living with my mommy.
>>7696600
>For me, it was twelve
Sure it was, buddy.
>>7696759
>>7696759
in the third world NEETs don't get to live with mommy as a solution because mommy is also NEET.
now I can't criticize Marx or prominent political theorists who weren't hacks and supported a socialist state, heck I'd even find rural utopianism agreeable at times but the only thing I detest more than communists (especially maoists) in it for the Fashion are filthy contintentals pseuds and I'm sure some of you non ironically enjoy reading Zizek so I will leave this here, it's by chomsky :
"It's all very inflated, you know lots of prestige and so on– it has a terrible effect in the Third World. In the First World, rich countries, I doesn't really matter that much. So if a lot of nonsense goes on in the Paris cafés or Yale comparative literature department – Ok. On the other hand in the Third World, poplular movements really need serious intellectuals to participate. So if they are all ranting postmodernist absurdities,… well they're gone. I've seen real examples of this – could give them to you.
But –so there is that category. It’s considered very left wing, very advanced. Some of what appears to some sort of actually makes sense, but when you reproduce it in monosyllables, it turns out to be truisms. So yes, It’s perfectly true that when you look at scientists in the West, they’re mostly men. And it’s perfectly true that women have had a hard time breaking into the scientific fields. And it’s perfectly true that there are institutional factors determining how science proceeds that reflect power structures. I mean ALL of this can be described literally in monosyllables, and it turns out to be truisms. On the other hand, you don’t get to be a respected intellectual by presenting truisms in monosyllables."
>>7696600
About 15.
But by the time I was 19 I came to realise that global capitalism had improved the lives of most people, and that the true solution to existential angst is traditionalism.
I think George Orwell would be more bothered by the anti-tradition and anti-freedom modern Left than by neoliberalism.
>>7696761
>Twelve years old
>Depressed, suicidal
>Read 1984
>Realise that the current world is not that much different from 1984 (Slavery is Freedom even in a "non-totalitarian society")
>Imagined a future of a boot stamping on a human face forever
>Wallow in pit of despair beyond ordinary despair
>Get over it by listening to SOAD and getting into radical left memes
>Be 28 and NEET now
Basically.
There is nothing wrong with nationalism if exclusionism, based on things that you can't change, isn't one of its core values.
>>7697194
nationalism is essential if you want to live in a society that is in harmony with itself.
>>7696646
It's pretty much as defined and unambiguous a term as it can get in politics.
>>7697392
Nationalism is just a bad 19th century meme created in order to assist the consolidation of power of the bourgeoise, silly wage-slave
>>7696600
There is nothing wrong with the capitalism"s grip on the material world. The wrong part is that it bleeds over into the worlds of emotions and ideas.
>>7697523
Nationalism existed in some capacity long before that.
People need to a reason to contribute to their society, otherwise they must be compelled to.
>>7696727
I like this, wouldn't mind some more.
No.
The reason for your emotional struggles is not a system of production which you have no part in anyway and don't have what it takes to be in.
I'd accuse you 'of being a 21th century Brooklyn-like intellectual wannabe patrician who wastes their life on a korean cartoon image board while talking about books you've never read and masturbating to 2D anime porn' and say that is the motive of your existential crisis but that would just be the consequence, not the truth.
The truth is that you were never given worth and identity by your parents. Your entire life has been self-erasure in order to please the wills of the insane stronger. To defend yourself you have shielded your mind against your real motions through the religion of the impossible and accused intangible deities as the reason for your misery because you, as a real human being, want to survive and accusing those stronger of being what they truly are has always been a treacherous thought in your life.
Stop being a hopeless cuck. Go to therapy. Help yourself. Stop creating enemies where you conveniently can't reach.
pretty sure existential angst predates capitalism
>>7698053
This.
For god sake OP, existential themes are at the core of Gilgamesh.
>>7696671
lmao all designed and put in place by neoconservatives
>>7696776
>"It's all very inflated, you know lots of prestige and so on– it has a terrible effect in the Third World. In the First World, rich countries, I doesn't really matter that much. So if a lot of nonsense goes on in the Paris cafés or Yale comparative literature department – Ok. On the other hand in the Third World, poplular movements really need serious intellectuals to participate. So if they are all ranting postmodernist absurdities,… well they're gone. I've seen real examples of this – could give them to you.
>But –so there is that category. It’s considered very left wing, very advanced. Some of what appears to some sort of actually makes sense, but when you reproduce it in monosyllables, it turns out to be truisms. So yes, It’s perfectly true that when you look at scientists in the West, they’re mostly men. And it’s perfectly true that women have had a hard time breaking into the scientific fields. And it’s perfectly true that there are institutional factors determining how science proceeds that reflect power structures. I mean ALL of this can be described literally in monosyllables, and it turns out to be truisms. On the other hand, you don’t get to be a respected intellectual by presenting truisms in monosyllables."
a whole lot of nothing said here, chomsky is a douche hack
>>7696903
current world is Brave New World m8, not 1984
>>7697864
this is pretty good, go on
>>7698076
This about 1000 times. When my first grade teacher read us Gilgamesh, it blew my fucking mind. Poor Enkidu :(
I think it should be required reading at some point in elementary school, or primary school, or whatever you want to call it. For children.
I grew up in a heavily Catholic family. I was dragged to Mass every Sunday as a child. I hated it when I was young and easily distracted.
I only had existential dread once, on a long dark night when I questioned everything God was waiting for me at the end of it. I've never had dread since.
>>7696776
If you think I'm reading that you're nuts.
>>7696600
existential angst is much older than capitalism though
>>7696671
So what's the alternative?
>>7696749
You an ex-yugo?
either b8 or you're a moron
>>7698311
how did this night change your daily life ?
Resorting to cliched namecalling has no effect on the contemporary NEET. We are economic auto-didacts, self-taught philosophers and gifted visionaries. While others waste their life labouring under the orders of those who see only material cost in life, we pursue leisure above all else, knowing as we do that leisure and time to oneself is the basis of genius. Despite many people disliking the culture and society they help maintain through their work, and despite understanding now that we have only a single life on earth and that any meaning we attribute to it as the result of self-willed or socially-inculcated ideologies, they continue to wake early and trudge to their jobs for one single reason: Guilt. Throughout time religions have taken advantage of Man's guilt, a guilt experienced for no logical reason except that he unlike other animals is a self-aware being whose abstract thoughts conflict with the apparently practical, rational reality he finds himself a part of. We post-guilt NEETs will not bow to internal or external pressures encouraging us to sacrifice our contentment and sensitive dispositions for the sake of attaining money, or womenfolk. We alone stand proudly, detached from but keenly observant of the slave masses who yell at us for not being as unhappy as they are. We alone, we band of true men, defend our right to live a dignified life against those wishing to deprive of us of it. Yes you can mock, you can criticize, you can echo the demands your masters make upon you. But who is likely to regret their lives more? The noble and dignified NEETs who spend their truly precious time reading, pondering, philosophizing and engaging in critical, urgent debate online? Or the miserable, resentful masses, their eyes bloated and sagged by excess folds of skin, their hair falling out and their gums bleeding from stress, their bowels destroyed by a sedentary lifestyle spent at their desks clicking endlessly while their boss breaths down their necks?
Thought experiments are taken seriously in social realms, day after day, in what liberals and libertarians call ''debates''; they even grade those debates with the fancier version called ''intellectual debate'' and the lower version being the ''Armchair Philosophy'' and even lower the ''bar-room politics''.
Their desires is to apply the normative reason, to any social topic, which would enlighten people who are not as persuaded as them. Today, thoughts experiments are even taken seriously in physics. yesterday, it was taken seriously by the scholastics...
Of course, this kind of experiments project, out in the open, far more the fantasies of the men who still take the outputs of their imagination seriously enough, to the point of attempting to tack a few of his speculations on the empirical world. They are very entertaining.
>>7696676
It is separated from classical liberalism by the belief in a strong state to protect the free market.
