Has anyone on /lit/ actually read this? What's it like? Why does /lit/ shit on this book if nobody has actually read it?
>>7695445
Shitting on Pleb core that is acknowledged by the mainstream as Pleb core is actually more Pleb than reading it.
>>7695445
>YA
>John Green
>Popular on tumblr & Leddit
I picked it up while my sister was on some errands and I was visiting her apartment
Put it down at the part where they paint a mural, smoke, and then complain about "le modern music" as they paint another mural
>>7695445
Fuck you, I've seen shitacular excerpts and I'm not touching it with a ten foot pole.
You know what other books I read that /lit/ bashed and posted shitacular excerpts from?
'Oh how bad could they be,' I thought.
'I like trashy genre fiction and aren't nearly as high brow as /lit/ tries to be, I'll read Ready Player One and The Martian.'
Absolutely awful. I should have known better. When someone shits on your plate and tells you 'how can you know it's shit, you haven't even tried it yet' you are well within your rights to tell them to choke on their own shit and die.
>>7695457
They paint five fucking murals throughout the book and there are like 2-3 page descriptions on every one
They paint one on the side of a hospital without permission and no one gets in trouble
>>7695445
i read it, it was a gift
and honestly?
its good entertainment, and nothing else.
dont listen to the autist on this board
read it , you can finish it in 5 or 6 hours.
>>7695456
you seem to know an awful lot about tumblr and reddit my friend
>>7695461
>He read RPO and the Martian to be contrarian but he ended up agreeing with /lit/
>>7695445
Read it in a day, its good for YA
>>7695509
>>7695445
>john green
>unironic contemporary teen romance
>demographed to people that think they're smart but let tumblr think for them
>good
let's not be silly
I actually disliked John Green before I ever saw his name mentioned online. Not trying to say that in a 'hipstery' way, but it's strange to feel like people are judging you as someone who jumped on a /lit/ meme when you came here and found something you already agreed with.
Someone read me a lengthy excerpt from it (it was the scene at the first support-group meetup, IIRC) and I thought it was garbage.
>>7695509
No, it's shit for YA
>>7695532
This isn't particularly strange as most people hate John Green. It isn't an obscure hipster thing.
Holy shit was Fault in our Stars really written by John Green? I didn't think there were any more reason for me to hate him
>>7695606
What did you hate him for before?
His youtube videos?
>>7695445
>>7695621
Yes, his history videos are shit, mostly because of bias, but sometimes he tells outright lies, like saying that Judaism was the first Polytheism, and that the Jews had nothing to do with killing Jesus
>>7695445
I skimmed through it when I was writing this to get a feel for what his writing was like. It felt like he wanted to be a teenage girl to me.
>>7695674
>Jews had nothing to do with killing Jesus
Did he claim that every Jew wasn't involved or that the Temple priests weren't involved. If the latter then that is completely incorrect.
>>7695457
This never happened! The characters don't smoke because they have cancer. Augustus is an exception but his smoking is a metaphor bro.
>>7695692
what are you trying to do
>>7695445
Maybe a cumulative paragraph over my girlfriend's shoulder. Its just as shit as you would assume. Its like he intentionally wrote a 30k~ word novella then decided to make it a full novel by adding unnecessary clauses and adjectives. Its like wading in spare words.
>>7695693
Clearing up misconceptions about this great book. I read it last year and it changed my life. I don't mind if anyone dislikes it because I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions - I'm kind of a libertarian - but I want them to at least have an understanding of what they're disliking. TFIOS is the most criminally underrated book on this board. I think it's because the characters are teenagers, but if you guys would just give it a shot, you'd know that they're very mature and may as well be adults.
>>7695699
Literally a teenage girl.
>>7695705
Literally fuck you. I bet you haven't read even Infinite Jest or any of the other works that are popular around here. It's no secret that John Green writes very much like David Foster Wallace.
>>7695699
I'll ask again, what are you trying to do
>>7695699
>I'm kind of a Libertarian
Nice way of splicing that into the middle of a paragraph in a way that doesn't even make sense.
>>7695714
You are making fun of a book you clearly haven't read. I won't stand for that.
I'm not going to touch it with a seven foot pole.
Fuck YA.
How can you fill your mind with trash voluntarily?
I preordered it so it would be signed. It wasn't great MIKE SHUT THE FUCK UP
>>7695724
DFW is YA too m8
>>7695532
>I actually disliked John Green before I ever saw his name mentioned online.
Luxury. I disliked John Green before he was ever born.
i read it before people started clamoring over it and back when i didn't know what a good book was and it was still the most disappointing drivel i'd ever read. wouldn't waste the 3 hours or so it takes to read - it really is as bad as /lit/ makes it out to be
>>7695699
man... now THIS is how bait should be... both blatantly obvious and somehow sly, ridiculously infantile and stupid but with just a dash of a believable hint that MAYBE you're serious.... good stuff
8.7/10
>>7695728
>before he was ever born
I disliked John Green before I was ever born.
>>7695726
james joyce is YA faggot
>>7695928
The "I'm kind of a libertarian" parenthetical is a very nice touch.
>>7695712
John Green writes like DFW in very specific sections of IJ, with no knowledge of form or context or artistic sense or purpose, and with all sincerity and mawkishness and ridiculousness,. Nothing like him in any of his essays, or Curious Hair, or Pale King, and so on.
>>7695715
Thanks for attaching a descriptive image.
I read about a chapter on google books.
> Main character talks like she is a 40 year old educated man
> She mentions ANTM (Yes, she doesn't say America's Next Top Model, she uses the acronym)
so we know she is le female teen
> Edgy boyfriend (Can't smoke 'em if they're not lit. Hukhuk.)
Also read the synopsis on wikipedia. So yeah, it sucks fat balls.
Aren't his books for edgy, opinionated teenage girls?
>>7696041
I'm the last person to judge someone based on looks, but holy fuck do he and his brother have punchable faces. His parents must have been a meekrat and an ostrich.
>>7695445
Be right back, I'm gonna proceed to hit myself on the balls with a hammer, will report the results later.
>>7695699
>I'm kind of a libertarian
Nice touch.
>>7696041
Triggered.
Has he never heard of mansluts?
>hurr durr double standards
>sharing intimacy is like eating cereals
I want to hit this idiot on the face.
>>7695699
>teenagers who act likes adults
cleaned one misconceptions in your statement
>>7695928
it sounds exactly like a teenage girl
I would give a 9/10
>>7695445
Why would you choose to read YA?
It's escapism for teenage girls.
ie. the worst kind
>>7696032
The cigarette is a metaphor that John Green is a terrible writer.
>>7695445
>I'm kind of a libertarian
holy shit will steal praise chomsky
I read it a couple years ago because, being in high school, I was a fan of Crash Course for my AP classes.
As a YA book, it's nice.
>>7695699
This is a really good post
>>7695712
Nice try, but I've actually read the entire meme trilogy and all of Joyce's other main 3 including Finnegans Wake. Check yourself before you shrek yourself, sweetness.
>>7695699
sticky this post
>>7696064
Reminds me of pic related.
>>7696286
>shrek yourself
fuck off
>>7695457
>then complain about "le modern music"
I would have definitely stopped there...
>>7695705
>>7695714
>>7695715
>>7696528
You're the worst type of poster. John Green is a published writer with many interested and uplifting things to say. People buy his book because they recognise talent, you are all bitter (likely virgin) and think that your fractured narratives and purple prose means you are a genius. Please leave this board and stop insuting your betters.
>>7695451
>acknowledged by the mainstream as Pleb
It isn't.
>>7696569
I know, I tried a little too hard. I have been on a dry spell after having a lot of (you)s.
>>7695445
I enjoyed the movie based on it. I surprised to find out that the author is not a woman. Holy shit, THAT GUY?
>>7696693
>breaking character
fucking rookie
Writing about cancer is like writing about your dead granny
>cancer characters
Cheapest kind of connection to characters.
"THEY SICK. IT IS SO SAD!!!!!"
It is cheap literature for low IQ women who want their own love story even though they think having intimacy with people is as consequence-free as eating a new type of cereals.
Cucklit.
>>7697526
why do you hate women
>>7697530
I don't hate women.
I hate low IQ. It is different.
>>7695461
>When someone shits on your plate and tells you 'how can you know it's shit, you haven't even tried it yet' you are well within your rights to tell them to choke on their own shit and die.
Kek
>>7697584
>It is different.
It isn't. You're hating someone for something they can't help
>>7697605
I've had brothers who threw tantrums all the time. My parents did not take them to the restaurant because of that. Nobody has to feel the pain for their choices.
How is not liking the people who support literary genocide bad? Their lack of taste makes any trip to the local library an attempt to do not kill self.
>>7695445
The saddest bit is when Augustus gets sucked up the pipe in chocolate river.
>>7697605
So what? Whether or not someone chose something doesn't automatically make is desirable or forgivable. There have been people who talk about ending microcephalic discrimination with this Zola virus bullshit. Saying X trait behavior is because on ABC-Z external causes and therefore the person displaying it is an innocent angel caught in the horrific machinations of determinism is how we ended up with the retarded, pedantic, ineffectual political climate we have today.
>>7696561
People buy his book because people are plebs with no taste.
>>7697605
So you don't hate psychopaths who become serial killers since they had no control over it?
What if one killed your mom, would you still think the same thing?
It is no different. Stupid people will be the downfall of the human race.
>>7697605
Hating low IQ women =/= Hating all women
>>7698468
You are ignorant if you take 'IQ' seriously
>>7698485
You are ignorant if you take women seriously
>>7698492
But I don't
>>7696561
You are defending a children's book, presuming you're serious. John Green is like James Patterson for little girls. I'm glad they're reading anything at all I guess.
>>7695445
I've read it. it is the same as all pleb core commercial realism, there is no imaginative vision and it is driven by stock emotions, situations, and cliched prose with maybe an aphorism thrown in that speaks to a platitudinous human truth. the lack of quality is not what makes it hate worthy though, it is not Twilight tier or something, the hate worthiness is due to what we would consider corny "cringe" moments, characters, and dialogue. Snippets of these have been posted on /lit/ for a long time
Hope that answers your question.
>>7698495
no one does
Mediocre stream of conscious naivety and shallow analyses. Shit
>>7696561
>being a virgin until marriage isn't good
>>7696682
It is really. Not by women but men in the mainstream do this all the time. "John Green, Twilight, 50 Shades are awful" and then they go read Harry Potter.
>>7695699
If you are baiting, please start a YA trilogy.
You will make millions
>>7698676
>implying you'll ever find a virtuous wife
>>7698694
Ah, but I have a date with a girl who did not learn what sex was until 19. Classically innocent Catholic-fu.
They're out there, you have no excuse not to find them.
>>7698711
yeah she was probably kept in the basement through her childhood and is busted anyway lmao
>>7698720
Nah not at all senpai, one of the happiest people I know.
Like I said, they're out there. Go find them.
Granted, she is like 20. I'm sure they're much rarer as you get older, but still. Find them.
>>7698694
>>7698711
>>7698720
>>7698733
Go back to /pol/ you goddamn papists.
>>7698749
You were right about the papist thing but I hate /pol/
>>7698733
this dude knows what's up, latina converts to protestantism are some of the chastist maidens u gonna find, catholics are just sluts with criminal tendencies, so u gotta go with authentic christianity, not that pagan shit
>>7698733
All the churches in my area support the gay rights movement.
Some of them even provide renaming ceremonies for people who are "Non binary".
I won't be able to afford to move for quite a while.
As for now I'm surrounded by whores.
>>7698749
I'm not a /pol/ack or a papist, I just think sex should have some value attributed to it.
>>7698799
>I just think sex should have some value attributed to it.
why? sounds spooky
>>7698804
it's a spook if there's no utility, but if you determine the value as providing purpose and utility then it is no longer a "spook"
>>7698799
Perhaps as pleasurable entertainment, but I'm an antinatalist so I can't agree with you any further than that.
Also, I just use the phrase "rather Turkish than papist" because, honestly, I'd rather be an adolescent boy buggering Turk than a pre-adolescent boy buggering papist
>>7698759
I'm Catholic though, O one in marginal error.
And this girl is Catholic, except she's serious. Latina Protties sound based, and yeah, Latino Catholics tend to do what everyone else does...These two guys I know have had tons of sex and one of them sings in the church choir....Though there are still some who are actually serious, my Christian buddy who flirts with the Pentecostals knows one.
>>7698772
Whew, lad. I pity you.
>renaming ceremonies
And marrying gays? We must love gays but hold firm to the truth of marriage between men and women only. This is a pitiable compromise and you will be in my prayers.
I'm still in university and just found a down-home pure qt from my college campus. Don't know how she survived the onslaught of degeneracy from modernity but I'm snatching her up before it's too late.
>>7695445
read lovely bones or something, its same core but higher quality
>>7698804
Personally I've always felt disgust at the concept of casual sex, its just something that is innate in me.
I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that most others feel the same way as I do about it. In our society sex is seen as a status symbol, the more of it you can acquire the better or more skilled a person you are.
I assume that most don't enjoy sex outside of proper relationships and only pursue and partake in it for status.
The only other motivation is pleasure, and I've never seen any value in hedonism.
I couldn't be with a woman who treats intercourse like a handshake, due to my personal views, and also due to the fact they're statistically more likely to be unfaithful among other things.
So our society does attribute value to sex, but not in the same way I do.
>>7695699
You sound believably retarded. The libertarian thing was an interesting touch.
7/10
>>7695445
I read it and I liked it when it came out. It was fine for who I was at the time. Used to be an avid follower of John Green back in high school, but then I changed and my taste in books changed. It happens. You people need to chill the fuck out.
>>7698485
IQ was clearly meant here as a stand-in for apparent intelligence, unless you're implying that this guy administered these girls IQ tests before forming an opinion of them.
>>7698830
i agree with u generally but i can't find a good reasont, it's just what i believe, and now our society is so degenerate i have to be defensive about it and i don't really have a good reason
>>7698855
>and now our society is so degenerate i have to be defensive about it and i don't really have a good reason
What exactly is different about society "now" that makes it degenerate? People have always had casual sex. Yes, even in the 50s and 40s and 30s.
>>7698888
the difference is that shit was frowned on and you didn't brag about it, just like there were always fags it's just in the last generation being a fag is celebrated as something to be "proud" of, today people who only want to fuck their wife are the ones who have to justify themselves to someone who just got done blowing a bunch of dicks in a nightclub bathroom, to me this is degeneracy, deal with it, faggot
>>7698900
“[Y]ou are not ashamed of your sin [in committing adultery] because so many men commit it. Man's wickedness is now such that men are more ashamed of chastity than of lechery. Murderers, thieves, perjurers, false witnesses, plunderers and fraudsters are detested and hated by people generally, but whoever will sleep with his servant girl in brazen lechery is liked and admired for it, and people make light of the damage to his soul. And if any man has the nerve to say that he is chaste and faithful to his wife and this gets known, he is ashamed to mix with other men, whose behaviour is not like his, for they will mock him and despise him and say he's not a real man; for man's wickedness is now of such proportions that no one is considered a man unless he is overcome by lechery, while one who overcomes lechery and stays chaste is considered unmanly.” - Augustine Of Hippo
Male promiscuity has actually been encouraged for a long time, whilst female promiscuity has always been looked down upon.
I feel promiscuity from either gender should be frowned on, but it has always been seen as a positive trait in men for the most part.
>>7695663
I looked up the "communism" video where he shills for capitalism, and it made me want to close it after about 30 seconds. Jesus.
>>7698923
Purely biologically it's true. The man has no obligations in the breeding process besides having enough energy to have sex. There is no biological imperative for him to stay with the woman unless he loves her.
Women are physically much weaker, especially during pregnancy, and need the support of others, whether it be their baby's father, or their friends and family, to support her and the baby. The resource investment needed to reproduce for women is much greater. That is why nature biologically compels them to attach to strong men who will stay with them, and why men value women who are faithful (and aren't necessarily faithful back).
>>7695699
I was in need of some fresh pasta, my prayers have been answered.
>>7695699
>>7696041
STD's
>>7698485
nigger detected
>>7695445
>>7699166
Your nigdar is flawless
>>7699636
I'd rather read a book by his brother. At least his STEM crash courses are useful.
>>7699680
no it was the other
>>7699680
Ye boy. Doing God's work.( I lost points on my last essay for not capitalizing God)
So what's wrong with our stars anyway?
>>7699688
I think John Green just has something against crabs.
>>7699339
w e w
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>>7696014
>John Green writes like DFW in very specific sections of IJ
Please explain further. What part of IJ is John Green trying to write like?
>>7695445
I actually read it (way back when) and it's as bad as lit says Horny John is.
>>7699339
>young adults are encouraged to identify with this writing style
>>7699775
Wardine be cry
>>7696286
>I've read Finnegans Wake, behold my intellect
I didn't even bother tracking which side of this argument you're on but please kill yourself
>>7697626
underrated
John Green did what everyone here wishes they could do.
>>7701150
I would be ashamed to be famous for books that poor.
DFW did what everyone here wants to do
>>7695699
Really top quality bait. You have risen the bar for baiters
My aunt gifted it to me, and it seemed important to her that I read it. It was okay, but a lot of stuff felt very contrived (in an irredeemable way).
Why would I read it? I might sometimes shit on it and Green, but there's absolutely no need for me to read this. There's so much other stuff that I know for a fact is better or more enjoyable. I don't even think I know anyone who has read it, so identifying with friends isn't even a valid reason. So why? What could I get out of it?
Thoughts?
>>7701404
I enjoyed it for who I was at the time. But that was a while ago so objectively I would say it's run-of-the-mill YA fiction.
>>7695699
I made more or less the same bait in a thread abut 3 months ago, also actually having read the (shit) book, and I did not craft it half as well as you've done here - "kind of a libertarian"!
A+ anon
>>7701150
Being a fag?
>>7699339
>another casualty
>>7701509
lool. pure ideology
>>7695445
No.I've read Finding Alaska, all the main characters were hipster and unique snow flakes that the author tried to make deep by giving them some sad past and angst.
>>7699691
>all this blind, seething hatred
Reminder you will never be as successful as John Green. Foam at the mouths all you want, but know you'll never accomplish even a percent of what he has.
>>7702758
John pls go.
>>7702758
Mmm
That smirk
so sensual
makes me want to
spread my cheeks and warm smelly diarrhea all over his moist pink lips
>>7695699
There shouldn't be any debate over whether this post is genuine or bait. It doesn't matter. Stripped of context, this is a beautiful and awesome post and we need more posts just like it here.
The board was made a little better after this.
I hated John Green long before he became a meme here.
In fact, the hatred for him that everybody now has here has relieved a lot of psychic pressure from me
>>7700081
Went to creative writing club at my local library for a few years
dye hair strident tumblr girls wrote in this style, read ya obsessively
the hate burns in me, it will never leave me
>>7701150
you're projecting
>>7701404
equally shitty
it makes the lesser look like the higher, it's fucking disgusting
The CUM in our stars
>>7700064
That really reads like he's buttblasted people level the same criticisms at him and he can't hide behind misogyny for *that*, so he may as well deflect it into a generalized, 'why do we treat female creators poorly' spiel for good little liberal points.
>>7695699
Best post on /lit/ in a long time
>>7702758
It isn't that he's successful, it's that he thinks he has something new or fundamentally interesting to say. He keep regurgitating half-cogent, maligned interpretations of both fact and fiction to suit his own ends - ends which, frankly, don't seem to do much good for him. Everything I see and hear from him sounds and reads as though he were on the verge of a breakdown, and the only thing that keeps him aloft are the hot, moist breaths of his followers billowing up to hold him there.
He makes things, and through that is able to hide that he's probably miserable. I don't make things, and I'm able to hide that I'm probably miserable. On top of that, I don't make a business out of telling people bogus interpretations of history and ideology.
He may not deserve pity, but he absolutely subsists off of it. It makes him feel big. It fuels that jagged hole in his brain left by the very nature of him not being a demagogue, and lets him pretend he's relevant.
I am fine if people want to enjoy his books. Lord knows I've enjoyed tons of trash, in my time. But he, as a person, leads an existence that I would find miserable, and his constant claims that he, himself is not miserable are hardly convincing.
I saw a free preview screening of the film with my girlfriend. It was full of crying women.
The pretentiousness of the central teens made me glad they were dying desu.
It's puzzling that teenagers seem to find the story relatable.
If John Green is bad YA, what is "good" YA?
>>7703652
The Hobbit?
>>7703617
Teens aren't self-aware to realize that their problems are bullshit 99% of the time. They would identify with the main characters because to them being unpopular or having the girl you like fall for someone else is equivalent to getting cancer and dying.
>>7695457
You mean metamorphically smoke: "You put the the killing thing right between your teeth, but you don't give it the power to do its killing."
>>7695699
>I think it's because the characters are teenagers, but if you guys would just give it a shot, you'd know that they're very mature and may as well be adults
Hazel and Gus are precocious teenagers yet certainly not adults. It show in their actions and John Green tried to portrayed it, notably during chapter eighteen where Gus is at a gas station and couldn't insert his G-tube, he called Hazel and Hazel wanted to call the ambulance yet Gus said not to call anybody, Hazel did call and all Gus was obssess with was wanting to remembered.
>He looked up at me. It was horrible. I could hardly look at him. The Augustus Waters of the crooked smiles and unsmoked cigarettes was gone, replaced by thid desperate humilated creature sitting there beneath me.
>"This is it. I can't even not smoke anymore."
>"Gus, I love you."
>"Where is my chance to be somebody's Peter Van Houten?" He hit the steering wheel weakly, the car honking as he cried. He leaned his head back, looking up. "I hate myself I hate myself I hate this I hate this I disgust myself I hate it I hate it I hate it just let me fucking die."
>>7696041
I really want to see him respond to that post about the girl who slept with 200 guys.
>>7695699
how can anything written by a leftist cuck be good?
>>7706038
There's lots of good literature written by leftists.
Cucks not so much.
It has the type of insight that normal people just won't appreciate, it's not for everyone. Highly critical and unapologetic.
>>7703652
Harry Potter
