Is he right?
>>7682937
He's an idiot for thinking there is such thing as a "better" or a "worse" writer which would imply some kind of aesthetic realism he doesn't even agree with.
no. Pushkin and Chekhov are better, and he hasn't read Lermontov
>>7682941
>>7682946
>>7682947
>>7682953
>>7682953
Worthless rhetorics
Did Norm read translations?
If he did his opinion is irrelevant
a lot of tolstoy's short stories are irrelevant and parts of w&p sag. but anna karenina is perfect. much better than anything any russian wrote. dostoy is still p good.
He sounds like a posturing fool
>>7682937
Okay, since I can't read bearrune, which translation of Anna Karenina would you read?
>>7683080
i think he's just carried away by his love of Tolstoy and really wants his fans to read him so he's romanticizing him.
oh wow this tweet smashed my aesthetics
>>7683092
i red P&V. I read anna keratin before i started lurking /lit/ and then i come here and everyone rips on P&V translations. I thought they were great but i don't have anything to compare them to...
>>7683100
autocorrect just fucked this post up but you know what i mean
>>7683092
You know, all the people that will come with their own translator probably never read another one, unless you find “the” guy who does nothing but go through all the translations ever published.
>>7683092
I read p&v but my next reading will be the Bartlett translation. Based on the comparisons I've read, I would go with Bartlett
>>7683092
Definitely not P&V.
Their system of translating is completely fucked, one translates from Russian into basic English and the other, who doesn't speak Russian, plays around with the words until they sound like he likes them to.
The result is a translation that's neither literal nor able to transport the meaning of the original.
>>7683110
hate hearing this after reading multiple P&V translations of tolstoy and dostoevsky works...i feel like i wasted countless hours of my time and didn't even get the real story.
>>7683110
they've won multiple translation awards. all you have is baseless claims.
>>7683144
>he fell for the P&V hype trap
I'm sorry.
>writer is better than another writer from similar genre/region
Why do people always have to compare people to decide if they are good or not?
>>7683174
Are you stupid?
What would be the point of comparing things that are nothing alike?
Did you ever hear the phrase "comparing apples and oranges"?
>>7683178
>Are you stupid?
kind of a redundant question to ask someone posting weeb pictures
>>7682946
>only ever speaking in sound bites
What is wrong with him?
>>7683193
Well grandpa, with you being demented and all it would probably be too tedious to explain
Norm is the GOAT comedian. He has so many things going on with each joke. I like how he pretends to be a bumbling oaf and plays himself down constantly, all for comedy, even though he has fucked so many hot celeb bitches and is very smart. Any time someone mentions one of his former girlfriends or something he is good at he never says anything and just changes the subject. The movie 'Rounders' was based on Norm, Milos Forman wanted to give him a leading role in "The People Vs Larry Flynt" and he's had so many opportunities like that he has turned down to keep him image of being a unsexy idiot. Truly love that man.
>dosto
stopped reading there.
>>7683198
gee grandpa, the internet sure is complicated isn't it?
while we're at it, can you tell me about the war?
>>7683199
It's a crime to shorten words to fit within the 140 character limit? It's not like fucking Norm Macdonald is trying to be hip or something.
A norm joke inspired by Russian literature
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE6QzDrT_x8
>>7683203
Well, no, it's not complicated, but if that's what people do on it all day.. Anyways, I'd be an idiot to make this a long post, so I'm going to do homework. Have fun on twitter with the cool kids, my friend.
>>7683224
How long do you think it takes to type up one of those posts?
fucking lmao
I'm looking forward to your reply in 2 years time
>>7683213
kek that was good
>>7683224
maybe they get some kind of venting done that way just like you do by posting here.
>>7682938
>what are "lies shitty writers tell themselves" alex.
>>7682937
Tolstoy is the greatest author to ever put words on a page so to compare him to Dosto is like comparing Beethoven to Sedlatzek
Tolstoy>>>>>>>>Gogol>Chekhov>Dosto>Turgenev (haven't read enough Pushkin to have an accurate opinion)
...and Fathers and Sons is one of the great works of the 19th century. Damn those Russians knew how to write.
>>7683248
Please don't call him "Dosto".
Norm was forced to do so because of twitters character limit.
You still have a lot of characters to go before filling up this board's character limit.
Dumb frogposter
>>7683253
Dosto's dead so clear your head of any preconceptions
That what we say, in any way, affects his body's dead dimensions
You're heedless need for 'litist seed to spray amid your cheeks
Is but a paltry high school trend that fades faster than "fleek"
I don't why you would compare Dostoevsky to Pushkin, I doubt Dostoevsky ever expected that to happen.
>>7683213
love norm
>>7683279
because people compare similar things you dunce
Wow, I didn't know norm was lit.
Surprised he doesn't like Dosto tho.
>>7682938
Ok then. RL Stine is just as good of a writer as James Joyce
>>7683344
Nope. Still to far. Try this: both RL Stine and James Joyce are writers.
>>7683193
its fucking twitter theres a 140 character limit
>>7683196
me too. He's the shit.
>>7683433
>He's shit.
ftfy
>>7683202
If you legitimately think that your culture has zero influence on the way you think then you're a complete fucking retard.
Norm's book will be published soon, it'll make a better meme than John Green's.
>>7682937
all I know is Chekhov is the best of them
>>7682937
Maybe it's just me but i feel like the implied claim to an authority of literature, or anything really, is made ridiculous by the medium.
> this is my opinion
> i am certain about it and state my views with confidence
> but i need your approval and likes
>>7682937
FUCKING NORM'IES
REEEEEEE
>>7683643
the author has authority anon, whatever that means.
>>7683092
I read Maude and it was very good, but I haven't read other translations to compare. Tolstoy learned English and read Maude's translation and thought it was excellent, though.
>>7683196
where can i learn more similar interesting info about this guy
>>7683656
i meant "claim to be an authority on literature" as in "saying you know your shit when it comes to books and stuff"
>>7682937
no, he's a random poker playing comedian. His opinions on literature are worthless
>>7683092
Tolstoy personally approved Maude's translations so I'd say that would be your best bet.
But is he fluent in Russian? Did he read the original literature of all those great Russian writers?
>>7683424
I FIND THAT DEBATABLE ON ACCOUNT OF CANT KNOW NUFFIN
>>7683677
This. If you don't have a PHD from a top 5 school in the world, you don't actually have an opinion.
>>7683694
what if i have a phd from the sixth best school in the world
>>7683677
oh come on, his fans knew he loved literature and asked why he held tolstoy in such high esteem so he answered. He's not claiming to be a renowned critic, Norm would be the first to tell you he doesn't know anything about anything. That being said he is extremely well read.
>>7683712
explain his jihad againt bret ellis over alice munro then
>>7683718
Still not claiming to be a renowned critic. Just ardently opinionated about something he loves. BEE was out of line there.
>>7683694
literally you
>>7683699
you get dubs
>>7683728
(He cannot understand sarcasm)
>>7683666
Listen to all four parts of this interview its pretty hilarious and norm gets pretty deep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCHj-P19XYU
Also he gets deep in this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V20PuivhqL8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkSMSbFV_q0
>it reminds me of that tragedy
>>7683152
you don't use a subject in a greentext, dumbass. the proper way to make fun of this guy is
>fell/falling for the P&V hype trap
doing it wrong just makes you look like a douche
>>7683859
>he was Northern Canada...
that podcast is a goldmine
>>7683891
Not a shabby storyteller
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/norm-macdonalds-keeping-resolutions-vol-1-a-plan-in-the-desert/
Dosto #1
Norm called me on the phone bout my material
He's the coolest dude ever
>>7683919
>being this reddit
>>7682938
When someone says "chicken nuggets are good" that is shorthand for "my opinion is that chicken nuggets are good". There's no need for babby's first relativism.
>>7683248
>Fathers and Sons is one of the great works of the 19th century.
this one is getting slept on on /lit/ to be quite sincere kinsman
>>7683213
>YOU ARE CORRECT
I'll take Norm Macdonald's opinions on literature over that of an indigo box.
>>7683213
Was that supposed to be funny? It just made me smirk.
>>7685454
>Anna Karenina
>18th century
>>7686875
Hello
>>7686880
Damage
Control
>>7686922
Meme
Magic
>>7683412
i love that fucking article.
>>7683100
hating P&V is a meme. they are fine
>>7682937
i don't care
>>7685454
>18th century
>>7682937
Does this faggot's opinion really matter that much to you?
>>7686940
>hating P&V is a meme. they are fine
>>7686954
>Anna Karenina; published 1764 by Leo Nikolevich Tolstoy
Still laughing Reddit?
>>7686998
So, Leo Tolstoy wrote Anna Karenina before he was born? no wonder they call him a genius.
regarding the p&v meme, even pevear and volokhonsky themselves attribute credit to Garnett, and say that she's a perfectly good translator, and that their only complaint is that she didn't translate the humor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2ykytca6Y8
>>7686972
they are overrated and overused, to be sure, but it is absurd seeing folks on here concerned they "read a P&V translation" like its aids virus
>>7683213
welp, that was better than I expected
>>7687061
>but it is absurd seeing folks on here concerned they "read a P&V translation" like its aids virus
It's absurd to defend P&V translation because the P&V translations are the lowest of the translations. See the link another anon linked ITT on the matter.
>>7683213
legend
>>7683092
>translation
>>7687152
This meme needs to stop
>>7687263
Why? It's entirely fair.
>>7687267
Not him, but the argument that you need to become fluent in an entirely new language and alphabet to the point that you can catch and understand all of the literary devices the author used is bullshit and a dumb may may.
I'm bilingual so it's arguably easier for me to learn new languages, but learning a language and becoming fluent enough in it to understand literature in it is more time consuming than beneficial. People study languages for years before they reach that point.
>>7687297
This doesn't contest any real reason why people spout that meme though.
>tfw you praise the lord jesus christ that you never got into this fucking social media shit
Thanks for the 850 pretentious pontificating tweets Norm
I tend to agree with Nabokov on Dostoevsky. He focuses too heavily on the philosophical/moralistic aspects of his works. His novels don't come off as aesthetically pleasing.
>>7687008
he's trolling you dunce
>>7688327
so he was only pretending to be retarded?
>>7688954
He was, you weren't.
>>7687475
what the fuck does 'aesthetically pleasing' mean. spooks general
>>7688970
>>7688970
it means purty. not a spook, just like delicious is not a spook.
