Recently /lit/ have been saying story is second to characters and themes - that's wrong. Saying that story doesn't matter at all might be acceptable for a work like porn where the point has nothing to do with appreciating the story, characters, or things like that. But in a serious work where actual effort is put into its creation, a good story will only improve the overall quality whether it's character-driven or not. It's just a fact that the story is a weak point of Karamazov and that it could be better.
>>7640603
>Recently /lit/ have been saying story is second to characters and themes
No, we've been saying plot is second to those. There's a difference.
Weak bait, everyone who replies in earnest is fucking stupid
>>7640605
You're wrong.
Most plots can be summarized in a few sentences
>>7640603
>Recently
Is this your first week?
>>7640606
mfw
OP reposted something I said on /a/ about an anime here to prove some point so you guys can just ignore him
>>7640603
Story is completely unimportant to a good novel. And until you learn why for yourself you'll never be a true reader.
>>7640603
I'm in the John Hawkes camp of "fuck the plot, characters, theme, and setting."
>>7640807
>Story is completely unimportant to a good novel
Any given thing is unimportant to a novel that's good without it.
>>7640610
Plot and story are different. A plot is the particular events surrounding a character. So something like King Lear has several plots. King Lear himself, Edmund, Gloucester all have their own but complimentary plots. The story is the totality of the plots.
