any polish authors that are known abroad? Tokarczuk, Zagajewski, Witkacy, Milosz, Schulz? - i see them regularly in different libraries. Anyone?
>being a consonant forest
THIS THREAD IS NOW A GOMBRO THREAD< GENTLEMEN
>>7599380
Milosz and Schulz I know; also Gombrowicz and Lem.
>>7599380
I'm Polish and have no idea who Zagajewski is. Tokarczuk, Witkiewicz, Schulz and Miłosz are based af. Thrown in Kapuscinski to the mix, too.
>>7599589
I'm a fan of Kapuscinski and Herbert. Heard good things about Tokarczuk.
>>7599628
Are we in fact the same people, who argued about Gombro a while ago?
>>7599650
Might be. But you mean more like, discussed Gombro? I don't remember it having quite the flavour to label it as 'argued'
>>7599657
Well, 'discussed' is the right word here. I remember, that you would make fun of me after every of my pro - Gombro remarks.
>>7599669
Oh yeah.He would've appreciated us making fun of each other were he alive though... our endless fight with upupienie formed through mutual taunting.so where were you from again?
>>7599380
This is now JOSEPH CONRAD thread
>>7599628
Well, he's not that mainstream and I'd argue that apart from Polish lit. students not many people (even readers) recognize him. But then again I don't read much stuff in Polish, our literature isn't exactly the most interesting thing on Earth.
>>7599692
Don't quote me on that but I believe that most high school lit textbooks currently have a few of his poems.
>our literature isn't exactly the most interesting thing on Earth.
see pic
>>7599682
Yes, that indeed is the point - by mutual taunting, we thus asserted a Pimkoesque principle of our innocence and got caught into the trap of chłopięctwo.
I hail from the outskirts of Warsaw, m'lord.
>>7599702>tfw we're mutually shitposting on a taiwanese gęba removal forum from less than ~30km away from eachother
>>7599701
I would say, that every european nation has its Mickiewcz and that is a fact - yet, some choose not to brag about it.
Instead they brag about the equivalents of Lem, Gombrowicz, Milosz...
>>7599712
Ye, relevant DFW pic was more of meant to be an expression of a sadness-ridden agreement.
>>7599711
>implying, that 4chan removes gęba
>mfw
>>7599718
well some people do come here to attempt that very thing.also tfw I remember this filename from the last thread, oh shi-
>>7599724
They often end up doing the very opposite by, for example, falling for the IJ and GR meme and by doing so, they erect a new monument for the Omnipresent Gęba - they shape their form and identity by basing it on the weight of remarks, not experience and thought.
>>7599739
Oh yes indeed, or starting with the Greeks.
The meme trilogy is some pretty gęba-free literature though, wonder whether Gombro would've liked meme literature and dank memes in general.
>>7599747
He would've probably despised some of them (dank memes, that is), although he would probably feel amused to some extent.
Speaking of the meme trilogy - he commented on Ulysses a few times. He called it a "thing that would set the polish literature in motiom" and apparently enjoyed some of the prose.
The idea of Gravity's Rainbow would've probably amused him and Infinite Jest - no idea.
>>7599764
I bet he'd have some of his share in expert memerism.
Infinite Jest is way too genuine, complex and 'serious' compared to at least Ulysses, so that's hardly a fit for him.which is kinda sad to even think about considering how good IJ is
>>7599701
I finished high school a decade ago, so I wouldn't know. As for Polish lit., well... PRL had it's fair share of concentration camp porn and alcoholic poets, not exactly movie material.
>>7599875
Alcoholic poets are great at times.
>a decade ago
oh snap, I'm feeling young.
Any fellow polishfags here read The Manuscript Found in Saragossa? A new translation was published recently. I'm reading it right now and it's rad as fuck
>>7599692
>Zagajewski
>Academicw byle ogólniaku sie ma Zagajewskiego top poeta jakbyś jakieś ludzkie media ogarniał (np. PR dwójkę) to byś znał a nie...
>>7600127
I've read the earlier translation. It's quite good. Fascinating history of it too. Adds another layer to the metafiction
>mfw nagle na /lit/ jest CZTERECH Polaków
>>7600127
Potocki, besides being a potential autist to a high extent, was also a brilliant writer and I've really enjoyed his Rękopis. I mean, really.
Hypertextuality ftw!
Also - has anybody undertaken the project of translating IJ into Polish?
>>7600262
That SO wouldn't work though.
IJ will be a thing in Poland in like 30 years tho, nobody is interested in the humanities, and out of the 0.75% of the society that is, maybe every 20th person cares about american postmodernism
>>7600277
The only DFW's book translated into polish is Brief Interviews with Hideous Men and it is doing just fine. The translator did a really great job and I just thought, that IJ would probably also work out somehow.
>>7600306
I haven't yet read the PL version of BI, was meant to do that for a while now.
But IJ is just so idiomatic and filled with all-out genial DFW rambling, I don't know, I don't know.
Tadeusz Borowski?
Liked him a lot desu.
>>7600309
I highly recommend the translation, it feels natural and DFW - like. The book itself is god - tier and I would say that 'devastating' is the epitome of it. No, I am not from reddit.
I sure liked Ferdydurke. What should I read next by Gombrowicz: Cosmos, or something else?
>>7600248
>>7600229
The new translation is based on the last version of the book that was discovered a few years ago. The previous one was based on the earlier manuscript and the translator added a lot from himself. So this new edition has some new stories, some are missing, some have different plots. Also, it's heavily annotated (pic related), thanks to what you can really see the range of Potocki's influence and knowledge. Really fucking recommended, it's seriously one of the most peculiar and fascinating novels I've read.
I'm the one american that loves Gombrowicz and makes the poles on /lit/ butthurt about it.
Got a copy of Primeval on my shelf I plan on getting to.
>>7600564
without the retarded "ky" at the end of Door.
>>7600564
Oh man I didn't know they tried a film adaptation, yeah Ferdydurke is in my top 5 favorite novels. Leisurely flipping through Diary these days.
>>7599380
I read Prus, Sienkiewicz, Kaminski (Stones on the rampart), Nad Niemnem, Mickiewicz, Zeromski and Reymont (My gf's family lives in his hometown). I've also touched on poetry.
>>7599901
>alcoholic poets
do you mean Swietlicki?
>>7600625
>My gf's family lives in his hometown
I read:
>My gf's family are peasants
xD
>>7600504
But we're never butthurt.
I'm that one Pole who always trolls Gombroposters.
bump from karahan
How do yall like Mrozek?
how can i possibly hold all this relevant polish literature
>>7599692
he's PL's best chance to win another Nobel
re: the topic, I saw Mysliwski in a Dutch bookshop yesterday
Dutchies also love Szymborska
>>7600306
even if it's doing fine, I doubt if a translation of IJ is needed... most people interested in it probably know English well enough to read it, it's modern English
I would like to see more translations of writers from less popular languages
>>7600444
Transatlantic (?), or the plays
>>7604559
overrated imo
performed one of his plays in high school and I really didn't like his writing style
saw another play in theatre (the one about Russia) and it was intellectually simplicist
>>7599828
Would I then enjoy IJ if I've read a lot of Gombro's stuff and loved it but want something more genuine? I was thinking about picking it up some day. Also what's the deal with that footnote meme? Is it an actual thing? Is it kind of like in Kronos where pretty much a half of every page is just annotations?
>>7600504
Unfortunately for you I'm also an American that loves gombrowicz and has done their MA thesis on him and prolly knows more about him and his work than you
>>7605488
out of pure interest, do you speak Polish? I have no idea if it's necessary to understand Gombrowicz's work, but I'm interested in your experience
(it's probably possible for you to speak Polish very well if you don't already, my father is also a native speaker of a Germanic language and his Polish is almost flawless)
>>7605488
Any way I could read your work? A non-polish perspective would be interesting.
