Which do you prefer?
> Heidegger without Locke before him.
>>7514280
Hahahahahahahja
The person who made this is retarded
What the hell mess am I looking at right now?
>>7514311
Your mother I'm assuming
>implying that bettering other people and becoming ubermensch have to be separate things
this is embarrassing even for bait
>>7514280
Jesus fuck. I am an evolafag and even i think that is a shit list.
Putting moldbug on a level with chomsky gtfo
Also protip you can be a Rightist anticapitalist. For this i admire Marx, he knew how to demolish capitalist decadence through critique
>>7515456
are you trying to disparage Moldbug or Chomsky
they're both memes
>putting faggots like Foucault and Chomsky and Zizek after Marx
>not Lenin, Mao, Deng
>>7515456
You seriously think Chomsky is that high above moldbug? Give me a break.
>>7514280
i prefer common sense centralism
you know like sam harris
>>7515467
>"Surely people differ in their biologically determined qualities. The world would be too horrible to contemplate if they did not. But discovery of a correlation between some of these qualities is of no scientific interest and of no social significance, except to racists, sexists and the like. Those who argue that there is a correlation between race and IQ and those who deny this claim are contributing to racism and other disorders, because what they are saying is based on the assumption that the answer to the question makes a difference; it does not, except to racists, sexists and the like."
that's all you need to read to be done with Chomsky
>>7515491
This is correct, though, mate.
>>7515491
This is all I need to read to know Chomsky is worth reading.
>>7515461
Chomsky belongs, but so do Lenin and Mao
I don't it's fair to read this is a list of the evolution of left/right political thought, just a list of people who lived at the same time.
>Land
Non figuratively whom?
>>7515497
>>7515500
Why are people like you allowed to exist?
>>7515516
Nick Land
>>7515518
God is real because Elmo is my favorite Sesame Street character.
>>7515508
>not caring about things that don't affect me
>slave mentality
>>7515507
What is the actual value of discovering or exploring any of these correlations? People of all races and sexes are still people and you have to live with all of them on Earth. You can't deny them rights unless you want to create fragmentations in democracy and undermine the process, and if you do, why?
>>7515518
Same reason you're allowed to exist, liberal democracy.
>>7515527
the fact that you instantly jumped to denying people rights if they're unequal says much more about you than it does about me
>>7515532
It's the end result of any lines of organizing society with value or importance placed on biological difference. Do you have an alternative proposition?
>>7515527
Knowledge is intrinsically valuable.
>>7514280
Heidegger is the only one really redeemable on the right, and certainly not for his politics
>>7515553
Information wants to be free.
>>7515545
but we know people are biologically different, we know intelligence is largely genetic
stupid people still have the same rights as smart people
>>7515527
Democracy is a sham, people will never vote in their best interests, we should all be supplicant to the loving care and wisdom of philosopher kings
>>7515491
>Hey, pal, check out this data I've compiled on race and IQ.
>I'm sorry; not being racist, sexist or the like, this data is invisible to me.
>But it's critical of racism.
>Sorry, I can't understanding what you're saying. You see, I'm one of the very few who aren't racist, sexist or the like.
Why do I feel as though Chomsky's just swapping in 'racist, sexist or the like' for 'neurotypical'?
>>7515573
Why should they?
>>7515516
the most important living philosopher
not hard considering the only other living philosopher is Zizek
>>7515553
Interesting, so should all knowledge be important to the organization of society? Do you need to know all the different pokemon before you can say how society should be organized?
>>7515573
Yeah that's the point, of course people are different, it doesn't merit inquiry or argument to anyone who isn't interested in dividing the world alongs lines of race, sex, or other difference.
>>7515594
Replace "invisible" with "useless" and I'd largely agree with this.
>>7515600
Actually the most important living philosopher is Saul Kripke.
>>7515624
Nietzsche>Marx
Adorno>Evola
Heidegger>Foucault
>>7515602
people spend a quarter of their lives in education, governments spend colossal amounts of money on it
you really don't think it would be valuable to learn as much about intelligence as possible?
do you really believe science should only be used for societal (read: hegemonic) benefit?
or are you just scared of what the science says?
>>7515624
>not liking meme philosophers
>>7514280
so
many
shitty
philosophers
new column:
Heraclitus
Spinoza
Kierkegaard
Frege
Wittgenstein
Quine
Searle
your columns obnoxiouslly grow denser towards the present, so i tailored mine the same way, but i mean there really aren't 3 let alone 9 decent philosophers in the 1900s
>>7515624
>rating Evola over Adorno
literally unforgivable
>>7515636
>you really don't think it would be valuable to learn as much about intelligence as possible?
Maybe to racists, sexists, and the like, but not so much to me because there's little direction to go with that kind of information. Of course people are different, but they are still people who exist here like I do.
>do you really believe science should only be used for societal (read: hegemonic) benefit?
No, and that's not even close to what I am arguing. Science isn't magic. There is value behind things discovered by science and I benefit daily from scientific advancement but I'm not going to say that everything discovered via science is valuable because that isn't true either.
>or are you just scared of what the science says?
dohoho
I'm not scared of difference, it just doesn't matter to me because I don't seek to divide the world based on those lines. Chomsky is correctly identifying anyone who does seek to as sexists, racists, and the like.
>>7515657
You're the exact kind of shithead holding the world back.
>>7514280
>jesus
>left-wing (or any wing)
Moldbug is not a philosopher, who even is this Land guy?
>>7515653
I'll take anything over critical theory.
>>7514280
>People still believe in the 'Jesus is a socialist' meme
>>7515676
From what, exactly?
Not all movement is forward momentum, you know.
>>7515657
>but not so much to me
thankfully scientific research isn't subject to your whims
>>7515678
genuinely perplexed as to how you know Moldbug but not Land
>>7515686
ikr? he was a pre-Marx communist, come on people
>>7515729
I don't think anyone has made that argument. Feel free to reread the comment thread, the position of apathy to racist and sexist "science" is not the same as seeking to eliminate or change it.
Feel free to take up the argument where the other guy couldn't though, what value is it to interpret the world along those lines?
>>7515741
But aren't communists materialist?
>>7515746
there is value in learning more about the brain and how it relates to behaviour and intelligence
Serious question, why does anyone respect Nick Land? His twitter feed is literally /pol/ memes. It's embarrassing to read 2bh.
>>7515875
he's right about everything
plus he was very influential in xenofeminism and I would argue 'post-internet' aesthetics
>>7515897
What is xenofeminism if you don't mind explaining?
Right
>inb4 becomes Tumblr
>>7515624
>Marx above Nietzsche
>>7515908
not 100% sure tbqh I don't care that much
I have a lot of friends that are into it and it seems like its got some traction
I ~think~ it's an offshoot of left accelerationism that recognises the fact that technology is changing how we relate to capital and xenofeminism attempts to transcend the capitalism-communism dichotomy and searches for a way to employ future technologies to feminist ends
I'm probably completely wrong
>>7515944
I know a major part of Land's work is accelerationism so I've figured his work with feminism is disingenuous and meant to subvert capitalism to reinstate monarchy or something but his thinking is so out there it's hard to comprehend without actually digging into it.
>>7515959
read this
http://virtualfutures.co.uk/archive/ccru/
>>7515959
AFAIK he doesn't advocate monarchy
>>7515985
I read this entire thing and still don't really understand Land's actual philosophy. Whatever, it was an interesting read.
>>7516128
He's a pioneer of the dark enlightenment/neoreaction
>>7514280
>Foucault
>Left
Maybe when he was younger but he was showing serious doubt later in his life.
"Oppression creates truth." Or something to that effect.
>The Dark Enlightenment
jesus christ
>>7516154
and?
he has never advocated monarchy
http://www.xenosystems.net/dark-techno-commercialism/
>>7515741
"For many are called, but few are chosen."
Real egalitarian we got here guys
"For the Kingdom of God is like unto the dictatorship of proletariat"
"Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the Democratic People's Republic of Heaven"
>>7516181
Morality is subjective and it is your duty to continue the white race.
>>7516198
In Land, morality is less than subjective. All these accelerationists and alt-righters might be categorised as sort of 'postnihilists'. Accepting the fundamental non-presence of ethics, then incorporating this non-presence into their predictive models, and somewhere, choosing whatever moral vantage they feel like. Land's just gone with the choice that isn't a choice; which is group morality/dynastic morality/base instinct.
>>7516369
i think his biggest "value" is probably intelligence/IQ maximization (for something, human or not)
>>7514280
the only correct answer
1st line should be Plato on left, Aristotle on right
>>7514280
How the fuck are counter enlightenment philosophers considered "right"? That's a very very loose spectrum of left and right OP
>>7515624
>Marx above anyone
Wew lad
>>7516504
essentialism is right-wing, which is why Neech, Moldberg and the post-human marxist should be in the left column while Jesus gets shifted into the right
>>7515599
they both are humans
locke belongs on the right side.
>>7516629
This
>>7514280
>No Schopenhauer anywhere
D I S G A R D E D
>>7515462
How can moldbug be good he wasn't even published by a university press lmao like he just wrote on the internet smgdh for real.
>>7514280
>Jesus
>Locke
Triggered
>>7516190
Fucking kek
this is the worst thread of the week I think.
>>7516387
>he fell for the greeks meme
God I'm sick of hearing of Nick Land, you can be a Right Anticapitalist without going full fantasy retard. Read some de Benoist ffs
