Just ordered the meme triology off amazon.
What should I do to prepare myself before they arrive?
Start with the greeks? Like, seriously, you won't understand jack shit from Ulysses if you don't.
Infinite Jest is just a bunch of text. You CAN understand GR but you mostly read it for the experience.
That's the old meme trilogy
>>7466690
Should I do anything special to enhance my reading experience? Maybe a special diet?
>>7466693
/thread
>>7466693
There's a new one?
Infinite Jest = In The Aeroplane Over The Sea
Gravity's Rainbow = Kid A
Ulysses = Loveless
Thoughts?
>Just ordered X
why do people respond to these bait threads
>>7466753
>Gravity's Rainbow = Kid A
Should be Amnesiac
>>7466753
Loveless isn't that much of a challenge. In fact I'd go as far to say Only Shallow is easily accessible.
>>7466791
was gonna say Spirit instead
>>7466696
Pineapple :^)
>>7466753
IJ = Burial - Untrue
GR = Remain in Light
IMO. Haven't even read either desu. I have read TCoL49 though. Someone let me know if my appraisal is any good. Kinda curious.
>>7466859
Good idea. What sort of alcohol should I drink while reading?
>>7466791
I'm actually impressed that /mu/ hasn't fallen completely into the retarded muh difficulty muh inaccessibility muh imsosmartudum for reading books meme that /lit/ is shitting itself with lately.
>>7466859
switch to bananas for GR
>>7466873
Actually, pot would be a good idea for GR. Read it high, then sober, then again sober. People often follow a sober read with another sober read so a high read adds another layer of fun and readability.
Inb4 quentinfags
>>7466707
>>7466683
Read Hamlet before Infinite Jest, read the Greeks before Ulysses, haven't read Gravity's Rainbow so I don't know about that.
>>7466683
Get plenty of sleep.
>>7466909
But that's the wrong one.
Get ready to throw Gravity's Rainbow out when you get it, because it's trash.
You need to read the Odyssey before reading Ulysses.
Infinite Jest you just need to... read.
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>>7466985
Why does everyone say you need to read the Odyssey before Ulysses? If anything read the all of shakespeares works before it. There are tons of Shakespeare references and the allusions to Homer are usually paper thin, especially once you get past the first part of the book (namely proteus). There are actual textual references to Shakespeare. (Othello and Hamlet would be good to start with)
I'd read V. (at least up to the part where some V. bitch is half made of wood and metal) and TCoL49 before GR (a la get into Pinecone threads). Maybe do acid before you hit the third part.
I havent read IJ, but you dont need any prep. My plebest friends have read it without a hitch.
>>7466879
The banana meme was the biggest disappointment for me when I read Gravity's Rainbow. It always comes up when people talk about the book on /lit/, but they're literally in one chapter, and they only serve as part of the grander phallic motif. I'm guessing people only know about the bananas because that one chapter is the first chapter, and that's as far as the majority of /lit/ got.
>>7466996
Did you not pick up on how the plot of Ulysses mirrors the plot of the Odyssey? That's more important for a thematic understanding than some Shakespeare references.
>>7466984
Lol are you talking about the troll one with Plato's Cratylus?
>>7467011
Are you kidding me? Knowing that Bloom mirrors Odysseus in that he makes a journey and returns home, only instead of a faithful wife, he returns to an unfaithful wife is almost completely moot to the plot of the story. There's an entire chapter where Stephen proposes a theory about Shakespeare's works and how some of them are autobiographical and which characters coincide to Shakespeare's life. Being able to fully understand those references would enhance the book a lot more than "Oh it's called 'Sirens' and people sing in this chapter XD"
>>7467049
the Shakespeare chapter is a farce. if you think it has any significance, you've been le tricked
>>7467032
>troll one
It seems like you have an exceedingly poor understanding of literature.
>>7467064
>he fell for the joke meme trilogy
pleb
>>7467083
P L E B
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>>7467059
There's no ground to it, but not pausing to at least entertain it defeats the experience.
>>7467049
Knowing your Shakespeare is literally only important for a single chapter, but for Christ's sake, the book is literally a modern retelling of Homer's Odyssey. You're fucking retarded m8.
>>7467096
The Odyssey references are so fucking over exaggerated, without the episode names there is literally no significance. It seriously goes as deep as you just said "It is a modern retelling of the Odyssey." So fucking what? Knowing about quotes from Iago, that bear at least some significance towards characterization in the text, references to Dante, which shape a huge part of Stephen's artistic character, and Irish history are way more important for actually understanding the book.
>>7467112
>without the episode names there is literally no significance.
Just admit that you haven't even read Homer because you cannot be this fucking dumb. The Shakespeare references are never as subtle as the references to Homer, Joyce practically shoves direct Shakespeare quotes in the readers face.
>>7467129
Please PLEASE give me an example of a subtle, unargueable, direct reference to homer in any of the episodes
>>7466707
Posting the real new meme trilogy.
>>7467144
Also the wrong one.
Did someone say meme trilogy?! I got a deal for you!
>>7467149
>short story
>>7467140
From the top of my head, been a while since I read it:
The Catholic sermon in Lotus Eaters
The ending of Cyclops
Burton Hotel scene in Lestrygonians
>>7467154
That's a hexalogy though.
>>7467171
Technically, yes. But divide by 2 and you've got yourself 2 meme trilogies for the price of 1?!
Step right up! Step right up!
>>7467157
I know the parallels exist, but is there any real significance that you can take away from the text that besides knowing what each episode corresponds to?
I'm just saying that Odyssey references would give you a shallow excitement when you recognize parallels (which joyce is basically instructing you to look for) but knowing the lyrics to like the Croppy Boy in Sirens or that in Proteus Stephen quotes Aquinas saying something with "color" in it, which, because Stephen's thinking about color, you presume has something to do with color, but it has nothing to do with that, but shows you where stephen's head goes and where his highly-educated mind draws associations from
>>7467201
>but is there any real significance that you can take away from the text that besides knowing what each episode corresponds to?
But the entire text is literally built on the foundation of the Odyssey. If you understand when Stephen references Aquinas, good! But that's merely a bonus, an icing on the cake, and if you don't know that Stephen is referencing Aquinas, then no big deal, it doesn't detract from the main body of text. But if you don't know when Joyce is referencing the Odyssey and drawing parallels from it you've literally missed the entire point and structure of Ulysses! You say that recognizing when Homer is alluded to gives the reader a "shallow excitement" but I think it's the precise opposite. The "shallow excitement" comes from recognising all the sprinkles of Aquinas, Dante, Shakespeare, Aristotle/Plato, Blake and Yeats references. But all of these amount to nothing if you haven't recognised The Odyssey in Ulysses.
>>7467254
But the Odyssey references are so obviously indicated and it's incredibly common knowledge that you're going to look into it too much. When you start thinking that Stephen's attitude is mercurial because that chapter's named Proteus and you start examining it too much, you're just going to be wasting your time.
IMPORTANT: What order should I read them in?
>>7467282
Greeks > Americans > Murricans
>>7467282
Alphabetical.
>>7467299
>please get with the times
no.
>>7467268
>But the Odyssey references are so obviously indicated and it's incredibly common knowledge that you're going to look into it too much.
That doesn't change that The Odyssey is an integral part of Ulysses' essence. And imo most of the Shakespeare/Dante/Aquinas references are even more obviously indicated than the references to Homer. Scylla and Charybdis is nothing but counting Shakespeare references and often direct quotes, and you can always tell when Stephen or Bloom is referencing Dante or Aquinas since it's often written in either Italian or Latin. And again, even if you don't catch an Aquinas reference it doesn't detract much from the overall text.
>>7467329
Not at all. As an independent text, it is completely understandable without knowing any of the Odyssey references, but the different languages actually interrupt the chapter and keep prominent messages and thoughts away from the reader unless they research them further.
>>7467365
You are getting way too caught up in the small details of Ulysses. Try to see the big cohesive whole of the work and you'll understand why Homer is the most important influence to the novel.
>>7467443
You can't think of Ulysses as independent from the Odyssey, which it most certainly is. Your whole reading of the text was skewed.
>>7467484
>which it most certainly is
The book is literally called Ulysses you fucking mongoloid. It's independent in one sense but very much relies on its source material as well. You are ignoring the most important and vital background to the entire novel because you're too much of a lazy shit to actually read Homer and think you're hot shit because you can recognise when Stephen is being a pretentious faggot by dropping a fucking Aquinas quote. Fucking pleb ass nigga.
>>7467144
>german literature en vogue
Just in time for my break through
>>7467508
Ulysses doesn't "very much rely" on The Odyssey. Literally I made the mistake of reading The Odyssey in painstaking depth before diving into Ulysses and discovered that it had been completely unnecessary.
>>7467508
Nigga please, he called it "Ulysses" as a reference to the Greek, but its actually the Latin name, and in the latin translation everything is slightly off from the main source. Joyce is way more obsessed with making puns in hiberno english and deftly referencing the Freeman's Journal than sticking to the Odyssey as a script. It's like this pleb hasn't even looked at Joyce's drafts, pleb mothafuck
>>7467144
>your shitty German book will never be part of the meme trilogy
feels schlecht
>>7466753
/mu has Kanye West in their list? This completely invalidates their opinion on music entirely.
>>7466790
Then what's V. ???
>>7466683
Prepare for the fact that you're probably only going to actually enjoy reading 1 or maybe 2 of them.
>>7468136
How's Queen treating you?
Sing it with me!
>MOMMAA... JUST KILLED A MAN
xD
>>7466707
William's Folly
A Hidden Truth In Plain Sight
Your Lying Eyes Haunt Me
>>7468136
>This completely invalidates their opinion on music entirely.
they are white guilt central, shouldnt come off as a surprise.
>>7468136
>Kanye
>not this generations David Bowie
>>7466996
would it be cool to just read a summary or something of hamlet and othello?
>reading the old meme trilogy
Gee kid seriously
>>7466909
These are the only new memes I like, I don't really like the German memes. This one at least mirrors the other one with the difficulty level. Only problem is Women and Men should be swapped out to some Gass or Vollmann.
>>7469188
True memes emerge mysteriously from the internet ether.
UPS is coming tomorrow. CANT WAIT!
I'll keep everyone updated on the shipping status.
>>7469208
>>7469211
>Package has left seller facility and is in transit to carrier
It's coming.
>>7466868
Fukken love Burial
>>7469164
Finally the right one
Last Location:
Arrived - Portland, OR, United States, Wednesday, 12/16/2015
Almost
>>7466821
I agree with you
>>7466753
almost
IJ = ITAOTS definitely
GR = Remain in Light
Ulysses is MBDTF.
>>7470986
What edition of Ulysses is that
>>7471191
>Ulysses is MBDTF
I almost fell for it.
>>7470986
>classic penguin deluxe edition
enjoy your typos
>>7468136
MBDTF is the greatest album of the decade though
>>7470986
>that edition of gravitys rainbow
ishygddt. should have gone with this one you sorry sap
>>7471212
let's fight, fucker
>>7471218
This is my fav DFW face
It has three dimensions of quality
>>7471301
When and where?
OP are you going to read them in chronological order?
>>7471310
in an hour, by the barnes & noble
>>7471323
I'll be there.
>>7466753
>Ulysses = Loveless
shoegaze fags are so fucking delusional
>>7468872
>implying David Bowie isn't this generation's David Bowie
>>7468136
i hope you know more about books than you do music
>>7470986
>buy it again
>>7467537
>doesn't "very much rely"
how about the structure of the whole book, the names of characters, the symbolism and themes and arc of every chapter in the book?of course it's its own thing, as much as something like The Waste Land can be read without knowing anything it refers to, but there is a lot to be gleaned from knowing the major source(s)
If Ulysses were an album, it would be pic related, no doubt about it.
>>7466753
What's the equivalent of Spirits They're Gone?
>>7466753
all of this is shit exsept anco and loveasdad
>>7472898
Finnegans Wake
>>7472702
wow, never heard that one before
Soon. Is $50 a good price for these headphones?
>>7474397
Little late to be asking..
>>7474397
Yeah, it is. I have the same ones, they're good but for some reason the bass is lacking a bit. The cord is long, I use a big binder clip to wrap the middle of it around until it's the desired length.
>>7474432
So was it a bad deal?
>>7466753
Jesus, no.
IJ is either PaidProgramming, Burial-Untrue or Deathconsciousness.
Ulysses is either Trout Mask Replica or MBDTF... or even Yeezus.
GR is probably Remain in Light.
>>7466753
Why isn't my post appearing, it was the best reply, fml.
>>7474444
I just am commenting that your sequence of events is off.
>>7474466
Well it doesn't matter if it's "too late". I didn't spend very much on them.
>>7474471
you bought them, then asked whether it was a good deal
most people would do it in the other order, with the former being dependent on the latter
>>7474482
I was just curious. It doesn't really matter to me if it was a good deal.
>>7474493
>curiosities have zero priority
ok.
>>7474498
Okay.
>>7474336
well, what would you suggest?
>>7474541
more comfy repeats of memes of seasons past
I don't think UPS will get here before 5 ;_;
BEHEAD ALL SATANS
>>7475324
gtfo shill
>>7474397
They're good
They arrived.
>>7475504
How do they smell? Compare and contrast to the smell of your anus.
IJ is thicker than I thought. The GR cover is pretty sexy and feels sturdy. Ulysses is wide and thin like they made each page twice as wide instead of making the book thicker, disappointed with Ulysses.
>>7475522
The books smell like you'd expect. My anus smells like roses and happiness.
Disappointed with the headphones. Compared to my Grado SR80s the sound quality is trash, but they're extremely comfortable to wear.
>>7466690
I'm gone for a month and everyone starts talking like white university bitches. What's this about? Irony?
Think i'll read IJ first because DFW.
>>7468136
there are multiple versions of these charts. Most of them don't have Kanye
Honestly should've looked at this before buying it.
>>7468136
I hate him, but that album is God-tier.
>>7475770
this is pretty much the patrician view
>>7475738
kek. you got a shitty version
>>7474444
nice quads
>>7476534
That's what i'm saying.
>>7471218
Quality DFW meme, friend
>>7466753
I can't even listen to Radiohead because of memes. It's impossible for me to not constantly think "what a meme". Even when the music is decent, I have never gotten through a full album of their's.
>>7470986
you fucked up
>>7477366
A little bit but i'm mostly happy.
>>7477419I would be too.
Just finished listening to this for the first time, what a shit album.
>I thought it was my headphones at first
>>7470986
>that public domain edition of ulysses
boy are you gonna feel dumb when you get to the end of Ithaca and theres no black dot
>>7477442
That album is great m8
>>7477442
It's not bad but it's so fucking overrated
>>7477502
I always feel dumb so i'm not especially worried.
>>7475738
LOL that's fucking awful
Nice Op
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>>7467508
Just wanted to point out that this is actually a nice debate, but 'muh Greeks anon' who flips his shit at the end is basically engaging in a high level version of '>reading for plot'.
>>7477932
>Nice Op
It's not nice. At least it was the cheapest book I bought though.
>>7466683
If you're going in blind you'll be confused, especially for Ulysses and IJ.
>>7466690
Sort-of. A rough understanding of the work of Homer really helps, but a thorough understanding medieval history, modern Ireland, the tenets of Judaism, and Catholic theology is necessary to fully appreciate it.
