Is there any good self-help book out there?
something worthy of time? or all of them are just: "asdaklhdaYOU CAN DO ITashdgashdgajhgsdBELIEVE IN YOURSELFkjhsadkhjaskjhdasNOTHING IS IMPOSIBLE..."
and so on
Depression:
Feeling Good by David Burns
Some negative patterns in your relationship which contribute to its demise.
Mo More Mr Nice Guy - Robert Glover
Some pretty good and research based books on goals.
Heidi Grant Halvorson - Success and Focus
Richard Wiseman - 59 Seconds:Think a little, change a lot.
>>7432618
The real self-help genre is called philosophy
>>7432668
Agree. Self help is shit, but philosophy is the real gig.
Read Marcus Aurelius' Meditations, anon.
If you want, you can throw yourself into shit like Nietzsche and Stirner and Schopenhauer and whatever, but Stoicism has to be first.
>>7432618
self help books are the biggest crock of shit on earth. people just want their dollar's worth so bad
success books go in total contradiction to deathbed advice:
i wish i didnt work so hard. compromised less and spoken from my heart...
so ya him and arnold should get a room
>>7432618
honestly, no. some of them do more harm than good. the same thing is possible with philosophy. just get yourself a good therapist m80.
>>7432618
>>7432708
contd. like if you want to spend the rest of your days jacking off and being a recluse, there's a billion wage slaves and endentured slaves that would consider you very fortunate.
life itself and everything that brings you joy has spiritual value don't drink the koolaid.
the saddest part of these books is when you research the authors themselves and find many of them to be bitter, non athletic, bastard commercialists that dont understand breaking format or humor for that matter.
i dont like the title of the book or the type it all rubs me the wrong way. covey seems like a cheap wordsmith. he wants to say successful but thinks himself classy enough to use the word effective.
it's all bullshit
It gets worse.
That's all you need to know.
How to Goodbye Depression
>>7432731
idiot
>>7432618
I enjoyed Cal Newport's college help books, showed me things I didn't really know about success and really have a much more concrete idea of how to become the most successful I could.
>>7432836
Which ones and how did he help you?
>>7432668
>>7432698
>>7432708
I agree that most of them are bullshit, But I don't think self-help books and philosophy to play on the same league.
>>7432711
you are right. but I'm not trying to beat depression or changin my life 180º. I only want to know if I can find some good advice on these. or as I said, just crappy "trust in yourself" thing.
>>7432882
Op's pic is a good book actually. Although he is fuzzy about habit 4,5,6, the rest of it is good and practical.
Try the Charisma Myth.
Someone will eventually talk about Think and Grow Rich here so I might as well say its an ok book if you equate "infinite intelligence" with the subconscious or God or whatever you prefer. Not really a must read after you've read 7 habits. I read somewhere that his original book The Law of Success is the real thing and it wasnt published because Henry Ford said no one will work in his factories if they read it and its like the LotR to Think and Grow Rich's Hobbit. Anyone here can make sure of that?
What matters most by James Hollis is essentially a self help book with the hard truths, depth and reality that tends to go missing in self help books.
>>7432618
>Is there any good self-help book out there?
>>7432618
It doesn't exactly fit into self-help but "I Will Teach You To Be Rich" is a surprisingly solid finance book despite the name.
It basically teaches young people how to handle their finances in a straight forward, easily understood way. You could pretty much be retarded and still have a decent grip on your money by the end.
>>7433389
>>7432618
Tao te Ching and pic related.
>>7433418
Yeah I have read that too. Just what he read but also
Too American. In the sense that it will be tough to figure out what to do in your country or even such things exist in it while in this book it almost tells you everything
Mostly for young guys- mid twenties to late thirties.
Finance self help is a huge thing and i havent read much. Head over to /biz/ and ask for recommended reading. There are pretty good books there.
>>7433389
This is actually a great book if you have an ounce of critical reading ability to tell where the author is dead serious and where he's being speculative.
>>7433418
>>7433441
The Millionaire Next Door is a worthwhile look at the difference between high and low net worth people in various income brackets.
>>7433477
Nice condensed knowledge. Coincidentally I had just started reading 4 pillars of investment and you fix me up with this hahaha. Thanks anyway.
>>7433493
>tfw I started investing heavily in extremely diverse mutual funds 1 year ago and have gotten 1% on return
>>7433429
Surprisingly on point.
I might throw Letters to a Young Poet in there as well, if you're a creative type.
>>7433500
Man i don't know if you're serious but I just turned 18 and am glad I'm getting as much financial and other unrelated wisdom as i can from books to get wealthy. If you're looking for an explanation or an analysis on what you did wrong, I can't help you.
>>7432837
Basically just got me into the mindset that I have the ability to make the most out of my college experience, and that I can only do so by taking whatever opportunities are available, and not just waiting for opportunities to present themselves. The most important one for me was How to Win at College, with the others basically just being footnotes of that, and the theme of it being the ability to express my passion about subjects to those who are doing exactly what I would like to be doing.
For example, my passion has been for nuclear physics and nuclear reactors, so one of the things the book said to do was get involved in research early on in an academic career by simply walking up to a professor and asking him or her to get involved, something I wouldn't have thought been successful otherwise, and was still an incredibly nerve wracking experience but would have been even moreso had the book not told me that this was okay for me to do and how to express my interest in the research.
The book also promotes speaking out for oneself through writing Op-Eds and finding others with similar interests by forming clubs or getting heavily involved with other already established clubs, which just assists one's ability to form their one voice and their own passion.
>>7433509
>18
I contribute 32k a year to a 403(b) and a 457 Executive plan. They are weighted 70% Equity (60/30 US/Emerging Market) 10% US REIT and 20% US Total Bond Market. The equity mutual funds are "2050" plans which get more conservative as I get closer to retirement. I'm not doing anything "wrong", its just been a stagnant year after the markets in 2012-14
I got Models by Mark Manson recommended by a friend because I'm a sad and lonely beta.
I'm not going to say that it fixed most of my problems, but it helped me to understand attraction a little, plus it's quite well referenced and it breaks the idea of the fake Alpha/Don Juan, which I think not many people would do in order to sell books. Another thing I found interesting is that he talks a lot about not memorizing shit when you want to approach a girl, instead it's all about sincerity.
If you are beta like me, I think you might be up for a decent reading.
>>7433529
You aren't supposed to invest in mutual funds though. It should be put in index funds. Just my 2 cents
>>7433535
Read No More Mr. Nice Guy and eleminate all that betaness left. It helped me a great deal and i changed overnight- it depends on how much a "nice" guy you were. Still recommend it though.
Also try Book of Pook. You dont need any other PUA thing, most is shit anyway and routines are a joke.
Mastery by George Leonard
The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene
Mastery by Robert Greene
The Way of the Superior Man by David Deida
>>7433389
What is this book about anyway?
Self-help for the occultist?
>>7433547
Book of Pook is kind of against what Models is about.
Pook basically says that you gotta fake your attitude until you become an alpha (or a Pook, whatever). That's ok, but you can't fake your intentions, and that's what really matters, being honest with your intentions. We don't give women enough credit during the attaction/seduction period, but they actually understand what we do and why we do it, so if you act in the same way of your intentions it would be easier to have a meaningful relationship... Unless you want to have sex with daddy issues type of girls.
Still, Book of Pook is a good book full of valid and good advices.
>>7433636
Pook never says to fake your attitude, he tells you to change it. Initially its hard but later its easier.You got models down pretty on point but read book of pook with an open mind.
I just prefer plates. Don't be afraid of taking the red pill.
>>7433632
It's a run-down of the history of psychology as mapped by occult traditions, religion and philosophers in an attempt to explain some basic methods of self-examination. He then changes gears to advocating for a future it, transhumanist worldview, but that's later on in the book and hard to appreciate without reading the first half or so.
>>7432650
Could you tell me more about David Burns? I really want to believe this will help me but I don't wanna waste my time and feel shit afterwards for it failing. I've been on Antidepressants for a while with on and off counselling and have felt shit for past decade or so. Also read up on some stoicism, but fell out with it. I started (and still do) thinking extremely critically and morally against myself. Applying the massively high stoic standard with to how shit I view myself now really didn't help.
This book seems like a magic bean to cure this shit, so I don't exactly trust it. Do you know much about antidepressants vs CBT in general?
Thanks in advance and soz for shitty puke of words and shit, I'm tired
>>7433675
ya- don't fake it, change it.
now go out there and be somebody
I summed up the books on this thread in this list. where the author is "unknown" I don't even look at it on Google, I'll update some other time.
For disscussion:
Stephen R Covey - The 7 habits of highly effective people
David Burns - Feeling good
Robert Glover - No more Mr nice guy
Heidi Grant Halvorson - Success and focus
Richard Wiseman - 59 seconds: think a little, change a lot.
Marcus Aurelius - Meditations
Unknown - How to goodbye depression
James Hollis - What matters most
Robert Anton Wilson - Prometheus rising
Unknown - I will teach you to be rich
Unknown - Tao te kin
Kahlil Gibran - The prophet
Unknown - The millionaire next door
William Bernstein - If you can
Unknown - Letters to a young poet
Mark Manson - Models
Unknown - Book of Pook
George Leonard - Mastery
Robert Greene - The 48 laws of power
David Deida - The way of the superior man.
>>7434310
I don't know what my personality is
>>7434865
I'm a psychologist and we don't even know neither.
>>7432708
The 7 habbits is all about avoiding that problem you described.
What self help books have you actually read?
>>7432618
Look into the LessWrong sequences if you are interested in your map of reality becoming closer in shape to the actual territory
>>7432650
My gf recommended me Feeling Good by David Burns. Looking back on the archive it seems to be one of the few decent self help books that people agree on.
Those who suffer depression might be interested in Steven Hayes ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy).
>>7433389
I'm still looking for that goddamn quarter.
>>7437455
I downloaded it and look at the index too see what's inside.
what the fuck is this? it seems too damn esotheric
>>7437491
It's bullshit, like everything else, but with a late 60s psychedelic vibe.
Update
Stephen R Covey - The 7 habits of highly effective people
David Burns - Feeling good
Robert Glover - No more Mr nice guy
Heidi Grant Halvorson - Success and focus
Richard Wiseman - 59 seconds: think a little, change a lot.
Marcus Aurelius - Meditations
Unknown - How to goodbye depression
James Hollis - What matters most
Robert Anton Wilson - Prometheus rising
Ramit sethi - I will teach you to be rich
Lao tse - Tao te kin
Kahlil Gibran - The prophet
Thomas J. Stanley and William D. Danko. - The millionaire next door
William Bernstein - If you can
Hermann Hesse - Letters to a young poet
Mark Manson - Models
Pook - Book of Pook
George Leonard - Mastery
Robert Greene - The 48 laws of power
David Deida - The way of the superior man.
Steven hayes - ACT
>>7437702
I hate how all this kind of books have such shitty covers. I can't take it seriously
>>7433675
Nah, red pill is garbage. Not everyone wants to be a self centered person at heart. To walk around thinking "what can I get out of this" all the time isn't appealing to everyone. Hate talking to people with that mindset. Overly eager, and it feels like a show. It's really easy to tell when someone is looking to get something out of you. No More Mister Nice Guy is a book for people that have little self awareness and real world experience. It has some useful advice, but it's delivered in a way that jaded people would connect with better than others.
Honest heart to heart interactions are so much more rewarding. Dump the small talk and get to the meat of a person. Discover their goals, their hopes and aspirations, the most influential moments of their lives, and accept it all. Then share some good experiences. If you honestly want to know someone and you communicate it openly, they'll be more likely to want to get to know you. That's a great way to really get to know people.
Helped me network into some amazing geology internships and a job in the forestry department. Pissed off a lot of people who just don't understand how to network.
>>7434865
It's a fluid thing. It changes with your mood, mindset, activities, etc. Do things that you enjoy. Spend as much time as you can getting good at something. Build some willpower. You'll discover who you are.
Also interact with others as much as you can. It will give you reference for yourself. Volunteer work and getting involved with clubs really helps. Just make sure it involves a passion of yours.
That's an easy road to discovering yourself.
>>7432618
The Tripitaka.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/piyadassi/protection.html
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/dhp/dhp.intro.budd.html
>Just as a storm cannot prevail against a rocky mountain, so Mara can never overpower the man who lives meditating on the impurities, who is controlled in his senses, moderate in eating, and filled with faith and earnest effort.
>>7432618
Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy - Dr. Burns
The single book that helped me the most in life
Your erroneous zones - Wayne W. Dyer
It helped me a lot during my early 20's. It's not the kind of book that tells you that you deserve everything by the power of the universe or just because you are special, it's a little guide full of concepts to develope yourself into the person you'd like to be... From your self-esteem, your self-confidence and your shyness. It also tries to take another point of view in terms of loss/win when trying new things in life.
I know it's not Nietzsche's Übermensch kind of shit, but it's REAL shit.
