1984
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How relevant is this book for today's society? I've heard that the penalization for owning lolicon content was a prime example of thoughtcrime.
It remains relevant in many ways, though Brave New World has turned out to be a more accurate depiction of the future.
Why do you ask?
>>7377259
:') ...he said repeating an argument from an idiot...
>>7377278
Care to elaborate?
>>7377259
I have my reasons to believe that this book is relevant, but for the benefit of the doubt, i ask /lit/'s opinions.
>>7377280
Sure... If yr not parroting pic related... What do you mean?
>>7377304
the pic is parroting the common (and i find reasonable) discourse in the interpretation of both works. Tiying the population to the ruling ideology not through force but through consumption has been proven to be a much more effective technique of control. Nonetheless 1984 is a very insightful exploration of a dystopia, especially in terms of control through language.
>>7377312
No your stupidity in repeating the comic isn't even in its content its in the very notion that the point of 1984 was to present an "accurate depiction of the future" which is a childwake way to approach the text.
I don't know why these discussions between the two books always go to absolutes. Both books were right and wrong at the same time. 1984 nailed the policing of thought and BNW nailed the ruling via consumption. There are other things but those are just basic examples.
>>7377321
I never claimed such a thing, simply added with a ''though'' that Brave New World came closer to identifiying how power will control populations in the future.
>>7377323
>I don't know why these discussions between the two books always go to absolutes
Because they're based in sci-fi which means pseudo-intellectuals with no real interpretative ability are drawn to them
>>7377325
>shifting goalposts
Oh so NOW you just meant that as a random aside observation and it didn't have to do with a definitive measure of the books relevancy
>>7377312
Aye, but control is the central theme of neither...
Winston learns the truth of our world, the truth Orwell learned throughout his life and bravely put forward in a manner that gets the book banned—
Huxmaster on the other hand...? His best points are in the opening of the novel.
Ideology? Wha? Consumption? Where?
People still too busy looking for Big Brother while the Brave New World surrounds them.
>>7377334
Nice try Big Brother
>>7377329
Not random, but yes, as a ''aside observation''.
>it didn't have to do with a definitive measure of the books relevancy
exactly.
>It remains relevant in many ways
>Nonetheless 1984 is a very insightful exploration of a dystopia, especially in terms of control through language.
Now calm your tits autist
>>7377331
I find your summarys of both books rather simplistic. Certainly 1984 does not pretend to talk about the ''truth of our world''. And i wonder how you can not see how the essential points of both books are the reproduction of ideology in the population, and how it reacts towards individuals which fail to adapt
>>7377343
Summaries? Uh oh.
Truth of the world? It didn't adeptly summarize anything right in the middle of the book?
What are the ideologies? Do x for y? Why is that important? Both are relevant today, equally... but they aren't and weren't news...
>>7377357
Well, Orwell didn't learn "the truth of our world", he was just trying to warn people of what could happend if totalitarian regimes like the URSS continues to grow at his time.
>>7377377
How fresh is the book in yr mind? I think that does not capture the point of the book. Big Brother was described as looking like Stalin. But it's not Animal Farm... It's closer to Gravity's Rainbow.
>>7377236
This book was never relevant to society. This book was about neuroscience, specifically the relationship between memory and perception. Like others have said, Brave New World is a much better look at society and government.
>>7377590
Nope, it's about solipsism.
>>7377610
Solipsism is one of the possible interpretations you could take away from 1984, but it isn't the natural conclusion to the discussion of memory in the book. The subjectivity of perception does not imply solipsism, and at best 1984 makes the case for a two-mind model of solipsism which isn't all that different from a look at monotheism from this perspective.
Canada can jail people for "hate speech"
Many other first world countries can do this
>>7377304
This image is straight up incorrect. In 1984 it is plainly stated the the "proles" are controlled mostly by pleasure. There are parts of the government that work to create porn, music etc and that run the lottery to get the proles obsessed with trivial shit.
The "control through oppression and surveillance" thing only mostly applies to the Outer Party members like Winston.
>>7378081
This this this. It seems suspect that people have not actually read 1984 when they say that, because the society for the prole population was extremely similar to the one in BNW, the difference being that the inner party was under extreme scrutiny. The people in charge of running the society where the ones in most danger. The proles didn't even need cameras to keep under control, just frivolities and missiles to keep them distracted.
>>7377236
It is
>>7378081
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>>7378480
this?
