which feminist books are actually worth reading?
My Twisted World
Early Feminism and Suffrage Movement:
>Olympe de Gouge -- Declaration of the Rights of Woman***
>Mary Wollstonecraft -- Vindication of the Rights of Man*
>ead. -- Vindication of the Rights of Woman*
>Rebecca West -- Woman as Artist and Thinker
>Nellie McClung -- In Times Like These***
>J.S. Mill -- The Subjugation of Women*
>Friedrich Engels -- The Origin of Family, Private Property and the State
2nd Wave:
>Simone de Bouvoir -- The Second Sex*
>Kate Millet -- Sexual Politics
>Andrea Dworkin -- Pornography
>ead. -- Intercourse*
>Germaine Greer -- The Female Eunuch
>Gilbert & Gubar -- The Madwoman in the Attic*
>Angela Davis -- Women, Race, and Class***
>bell hooks -- Feminist Theory: from Margin to Center*
>Val Plumwood -- Feminism and the Mastery of Nature
>Judith Butler -- Gender Trouble**
3rd Wave:
Lolno, just read the SCUM Manifesto* and laugh. Top keks
Equity feminism, women's lib, and postfem, and antifem:
>Camille Pagila -- Sexual Personae*
>Erin Pizzey -- Prone to Violence***
>Germaine Greer -- Sex and Destiny
>ead. -- Women's Bodies*
>Christina Hoff Sommers -- Who Stole Feminism?*
>Nora Vincent -- Self Made Man***
>Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie -- Everybody Should Be a Feminist***
>Angela McRobbie -- The Aftermath of Feminism
Important Associated Fiction:
>Aristophanes -- Lysistrata
>Shakespeare -- The Taming of the Shrew
>Charlotte Brontë -- Jane Eyre
>Henrik Ibsen -- A Doll's House
>Jean Rhys -- Wide Sargasso Sea
* Denotes staples of feminist literature
** More important to Queer Theory than Feminism
*** Personal recommendations
>>7771877
>SCUM Manifesto
>3rd Wave
The world according to garp
>>7771770
none
>>7771877
>Queer theory
>>7771877
quality fuckin post
>>7771883
It's pretty much the entire basis for the radical 3rd wave movement today. The only thing that separates it from the movement is time and the fact that Solanas had no concept of intersectionality. Despite falling within 2nd wave feminism chronologically, it has very little to do with the second wave.
>>7771877
Aren't there like 5 different agendas that all claim to be third wave?
>>7771895
>the only thing that separates it from the movement [...] the fact that Solanas had no concept of intersectionality
I'm to tired to come up with a witty simile for how stupid this is, but it's stupid. Also, if I remember correctly, it's transphobic as hell.
Why do people here think that the waves are just increasing steps of radicalness?
>>7771888
nice trips but isn't commercial spam against the rules?
>>7771902
*too tired
>>7771912
Where did I defend it?
>>7771902
>Why do people here think that the waves are just increasing steps of radicalness
They don't all think that, that's just one of the more popular views of it. Modern feminism is so divided and disjointed, with every other sect claiming to be legitimate and that the others aren't real feminists, that it's hard for someone to get an accurate view, especially if they're asking feminists.
>>7771770
>The Bell Jar
>Lolita
>50 Shades Of Grey
>Gone Girl
>The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo
>Twilight
>The Hunger Games
>>7771914
>I don't know how replies work
>>7771912
>I make le post
>>7771924
troled
>>7771877
>queer theory
>>7771933
>dubs
The ones written by men
Since there is a picture of Nietzsche I will ask this here. How does Nietzsche reconcile his prescriptive ideas around becoming the Ubermensch with his lack of belief in free will?
>>7771901
Pretty much.
So feminism is best defined as broadly as possible. I use: "Ideas or actions promoting legal rights or social advocacy for women". There are Christian feminists, lipstick feminists, TERFs, TWERFs, Islamic Feminists, ecofeminists, black feminists, SWERFs, transfeminists, etcetera, etcetera ad absurdum.
Around the 60s and 70s, feminism split into three: equity feminism, liberation feminism, and equality feminism. Women's lib was about recognizing femininity and promoting women's rights. These are the bra-burning types. Germaine Greer is the model of a liberation feminist. Taken to its logical extremes, women's lib can mean male subjugation, (as is the case with Solanas), but only in the most radical cases. Equality feminism is the idea that men and women are equal. This is where ideas like affirmative action and the wage gap have their genesis. Taken to its absurd extremes, you have a bona-fide Harisson Bergeron attitude, but most equality feminists are not this shrill. Equity feminism is the belief that men and women are not equal, but are equitable: that they have equal value, but have different strengths and weaknesses and can perform separate roles in society. Christina Hoff Sommers is the model for this.
In the late 80s, feminism started to concern itself with other modes of cultural studies (today culminating in intersectional feminism). Marxism, ecocriticism, postcolonialism, queer theory, yada yada all started to find feminist criticism creeping into the establishment. This was the start of the 3rd wave.
The third wave is portrayed as extremely radical, and this is (almost) always the case in real life. However, third wave feminism is not a single belief. Both transfeminists and trans-exclusionary radical feminists are both third wave, despite being exact opposites of each other. The third wave is almost entirely rooted in liberation feminism (although a few equality feminists have snuck in). That's not to say that women's lib is all third-wave, but Steinem and Dworkin and the like are examples of liberation feminists who exemplify/ied attitudes in line with the third wave.
The common characterization of modern feminism as radical and sometimes even violent is why I included Solanas as the only example, even though chronologically she falls outside of the third wave.
>>7771940
The abstract philosophical idea of free will isn't necessary for those ideas, just will is. Not believing in free will doesn't mean that you don't believe in any will, or that will that is influenced by something is somehow illegitimate.
>>7771951
Hoff Summers is the one who wrote that "War on Boyhood" thing and criticizes modern feminism right?
>>7771955
so is being exposed to his idea supposed to magically bring about personal growth? I am not saying any of the things you just mentioned. Like you say "will that is influenced". Well what is the catalyst supposed to be and how does he justify upholding people to any moral standard in the first place?
>>7771959
Yes. I find her a tad overdemotic and reductive, but she's not a bad thinker.
>>7771776
That's a silly question, of the course the answer is that No feminist book is worth reading.
>>7771964
>is being exposed to his idea supposed to magically bring about personal growth?
No, why would you think that?
>I am not saying any of the things you just mentioned.
Okay then try restating the question, or what you mean by free will, because I guess I didn't understand it.
>>7771770
none
>>7771975
well it seems like in the absence of free will we have genetics, nurture and contingency being the only factors at play in personal growth. If Nietzsche doesn't believe in free will then he ought to recognize the futility in encouraging people to conform to models of behavior which are what makes some particular element of humanity exceptional in the first place. He ought to recognize that some people are simply born to fail and his system of thought can do absolutely nothing for them.
>>7771991
>He ought to recognize that some people are simply born to fail and his system of thought can do absolutely nothing for them
He does, he states a few times that not everyone is capable of 'leaving the herd' as he puts it, it's why he didn't ascribe to anarchy despite his disdain for society. His ideas were never meant to be for everyone, only those he saw as strong.
>>7771940
His ideas on the ubermensch were prophetic, not prescriptive.
>>7771877
>>Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie -- Everybody Should Be a Feminist***
Did you mean
>We should all be feminsts
Seriously though what the fuck. This is some pop-ted-anecdotal bullshit. Next you'll recommend "Men Explain Things to Me"
>>7771940
the Ubermensch represents a process, not some real actual attainable position in the world.
>>7771964
the will is always-already present. it doesn't need the influence
>>7772048
it's a perspective on feminism from an African woman. it's not nearly as useful/interesting/insightful (it is much lesser, in fact, and I agree as much) as the other works, but it's still an interesting ... object in the world.
pornography men possessing women
nothing else
>>7772065
Its an overpriced bougie pamphlet for 50+ year old white women who like to take vacations in Thailand to become "cultured"
Fuck yourself
>>7772079
>Fuck yourself
But anon, Kant tells us not to.
>>7771877
hey toomer. :^)
>>7772048
Yes, I did mean that. Apologies. The copy I was loaned was in Spanish and I read "todos" weirdly.
>This is some pop-ted-anecdotal bullshit
I take it that you haven't read the pamphlet and have only seen the TED talk, then?
>>7771770
>>7772098
*tips*
>>7772079
it's like the communist manifesto man. it's propagandic bullshit at the end of the day but it expresses all the same shit, just dumbed down for the proles
>which feminist books are actually worth reading?
I hope you mean reading *ironically*?
Or do people actually think women deserve equal rights?
>>7772117
yes
>>7772117
>implying 'woman' as a category even exists
>>7771770
Left Hand of Darkness
has the Harold Bloom seal of approval, he even put it in the fucking canon
In the game of life, women are the rake.
I was studying for this comparative literature exam last year, and I had a shit ton of stuff to read for it, including some "queer theory" criticisms of famous books/movies and shit.
When it came time to answer that question I honestly told the professor "look, I read that but to be honest I didn't get it at all, it makes no sense, what are they even talking about? It feels like it's trying to make the books say and mean things they never did say or mean."
He looked at me, smiled and said he didn't get it either. Then we went on with other questions.
tl;dr : queer theory is worthless mumbo-jumbo.
Dialectic of Sex, because it's a sober first-perosn look into how mentally ill feminists actually are
