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At what point does a work cross over from "emotionally powerful" to "saccharine" and "sentimental". I can kind of tell, but I want to know if there is anything more concrete to go off of than just my gut feeling.
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it probably has something to do with the distinction between kitsch and sublime
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It depends on the reader.

The Japanese, for instance, are particularly unconcerned with separating drama from melodrama, and so you get stuff like Kurosawa's Ran.

It's basically the difference between guilt and shame; feeling guilt is drama, expressing shame is sentimentality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shame_society
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt_society
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melodrama
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_%28style%29
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A lot of that depends on the reader.

Obligatory DFW connection: Wallace thought IJ was a very sad book.

Here's what's printed in the front of my edition:

"Uproarious" -New York Times

IJ is a "wickedly comic epic"- Seattle Times

"A blockbuster comedy"- Elle

"Brashly funny" -Chicago Tribune

General consensus on lit is that it's very sad, but very funny.

I just think it's sad. But that's understandable. Not everyone gets David like I do.

>we hit it off with/on/at a bad start
what is it?
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None. The reader associates "We hit it off" with people getting along well so all of those sound horrible. Just say "We got off on the wrong foot".
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>>7733377
Thanks!

Is there some way to phrase it in a way younger people would say that?
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>>7733368

As >>7733377 said, the two halves don't go together since the former implies a positive interaction. Instead of 'we hit it off', you would say 'we got off'. For the preposition, you would say 'to a bad start'. So 'We got off to a bad start'.

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If you had to steal an existing title for your autobiography, which would it be?
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notes from the underground
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>>7733352
The Recognitions.
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look! listen! vibrate! smile!

I'm looking for books that have the sort of super surreal existential feeling like ghost in the shell, akira, or the brief bits I've seen of paprika.
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Just watch more Satoshi Kon, especially Perfect Blue
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>>7733348
How do you see brief bits of a movie? Is it that hard to marathon the whole thing?

As for books, if you like Mamoru Oshii read Phillip K. Dick (Ubik, The Man in the High Castle, The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch) and Robert Anton Wilson (Prometheus Rising).
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>>7733348
100 Years of Solitude.

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Should characters speak exactly like real people?
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Depends what you're going for. If your character is a regular everyman, then yeah.
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>>7733326
Why is that puppy so cute.
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>>7733326
no, stuttering and making mistakes and self corrections in literature is stupid. the way normal people talk is the way nervous or stupid people speak in literature and movies.

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Just read Jurassic Park for the first time

So first off, it was a wonderful read. Even after watching the movie more times than I can count, the book had me at the edge of my seat the whole time.

However, I must say that never in the history of reading has there been a more annoying and rage-inducing character than the girl, Lex. She is constantly whining about everything, often in the presence of dino's nearby, putting everyone else in greater danger.

Hats off to Spielberg for tweaking the character to be more tolerable.
Anyone else feel like this...
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Lol read the lost world
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>>7733294
This is currently the top post on r/books right now, nice try leddit
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>>7733363

you know where you can fuck off back to

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Any good book recommendations. I want something to make me feel human. The Humans by Matt Haig did well.
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Go back to redd1t.

Matt Haig is shit-tier.
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>>7733092
there is nothing wrong with reddit. just ignore the posts you don't want to read
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>>7733103
While I'm tired of the reddit bogeyman bullshit, reddit itself is stifling to discussion. Power tripping moderators and sitewide autobans don't do anything but shut out people with dissenting opinions who have no interest in sucking moderator Johnson.

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Do you have a reading duck?
Are you happy with it?
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>>7733043
What's a reading duck?
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>>7733043
I do and yes, we are very happy together.
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>>7733043
Yes. Mine stopped defecating years ago, but I wouldn't part with it for any reason.

Hey /lit/,
Anyone know any books on Jungian/psychoanalytic interpretation of Greek mythology? I'm looking specifically for stuff in relation to the odyssey, and the archetypes that underlie the gods and their actions.

pic unrelated
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>>7733041

Tumblr would be your best bet for finding this. If you're interested in forcing fake 'science' into great literature that's where you should be. I swear that in the last few years every wannabe university reader latches on to wikipedia articles about Jung instead of reading legitimate work.
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>>7733333
K dude
Nice quints
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>>7733041
Try a Library.

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Where can I find a plot summary for this?
I had a bit of trouble realizing what exactly happened in chapter 7.
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It's been a while ... for my memory the chapter is pretty complex but the jist of it is political unrest, an attempted art theft, and Papa Stencil's hearing of Vheissu from Old Man Godolphin and meeting Victoria Wren.

Does that help at all? Any questions in specific?
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>>7733003
Yeah that's what I figured out to be the general idea of the chapter.. But I don't know, it just feels very vague like I missed a lot of important stuff. I was just wondering if there's some kind of chapter by chapter plot summary that's more than 2 lines long, because I'm reading Mondaugen's Story (chapter 10) right now and I get the same feeling as chapter 7.
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>>7733049
No, not that I know of. The thing of Pynchon is you ARE missing something and you SHOULD be and isn't it GREAT that you are.

Mondaugen's chapter is brilliant, one of Pynchon's best pieces of writing by far, so take it slow. If you don't catch the specifics of Bongo Shaftsbury's story or the Venus heist, that's fine, but Mondaugen's part should be read slowly and deeply imo

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Where is the literature which gives a voice or details the life of the lower-middle class or lower class citizens who are caught in a tragic disintegration of reality - as the imperative to both enjoy and self-realize leads them to immerse themself fully in degenerated infantile fantasies?
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hover hand.
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>>7732934

Literally the most reviled caste of people in our society. Writing about folks such as us is not only unpublishable, but wouldn't even pass as an ironic critic of society, but would just drown the reader in disgust and hatred.
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>>7732942
Seems than that it holds some subversive potential and the potentiality for exploring the unknown beauty of the forgotten folks.

>Deadline is March 22nd
>Tons of work to do
>I feel completely uninspired and have no impetus

how do you force yourself to write when you arent 'feeling it'?
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>>7732889
The shining
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>>7732889

The Shiningj
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My birthday is on March 22nd

If you get very close to the deadline panic will probably set in and do the motivating

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>One time Matt told Andrew to deliver a pizza with his hat sideways, shirt untucked, belt unbuckled; and gave him a bike chain to wear around his neck. Andrew did it. The man came to the door, terrified. Andrew felt abstract and out-of-control. It took a long time because it was a large order, with Buffalo wings and extra bleu cheese. The man’s face turned red and neither of them spoke, even when Andrew dropped a container of bleu cheese and they both watched it fall into a little hole in the concrete. It was difficult to get the bleu cheese out because...
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>>7732750

Is that an actual Tao Lin passage? Goddamn this guy sucks.
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>>7732750
I'm new and even I can understand how ass this is
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Father dubs please fuck off and stop Taoposting.

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So, did Williams capture the genuine nature DFW could only hope to reach?
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He was a good musician
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>>7732758
Binary sunset is the greatest leitmotif of all time. Thank god he stopped writing boring misogynistic power fantasies.
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lit, where do I start if I want to learn how to write? Broad strokes, from the bottom, how to write. Aiming for science fiction.

I've tried to write three books now, I stopped writing the first one because what I wanted to do was too complicated, and I needed more experience with a simpler story. The second book I started writing also turned out to be too complicated for me to write, even though it only had three characters and was mostly monologue and one-on-one dialog. The third book I've just given up on because I've reduced my scope to two people walking...
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>>7732671
see, your problem anon, just like 99% of the rest of the world is that you're probably thinking about the end goal right now, where you're a published author and you get showered with praise and pussy.

ain't gon be like that son

my advice to you. If you have any narcissistic, wishy-washy dreams like this about success from writing, get them the fuck out of your system. Get a real job, and start writing seriously every day, using it as a way to excise whatever thoughts and ideas you have...
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i think Elements of Fiction Writing - Conflict and Suspense by James Bell is the book you should read. i got mine from bookzz.org
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Sounds like you're not really planning anything out OP, if you're beginning books and then abandoning them as too complicated. You're not going to write a novel (at least not one worth writing) by just stringing sentences together and trusting in your instinct that it's going in the right direction. Start with a skeletal structure of your themes/plot/whatever the point of your book is. Fill in chapter by chapter how you intend to build it. Then think about drafting the actual prose, but be aware that things will change and there will be editing and re-editing....
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