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>>7915429

Because anti-intellectualism was the flavour and still is to an extent, people have been shooed away from books due to either having terrible teachers or they've been dumbed down so much through the media that they really can't grasp anything outside of basic YA shit. This is probably why so many people would rather be sitting in front of their arses all day on their computer watching someone else comment on a children's game rather than reading something enlightening.
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>>7915442

Also because somehow reading and philosophy have had a negative image in the media, unlike STEM related jobs which are constantly praised and shoved down our throats in nearly every major blockbuster people are easily swayed away from pursuing degrees in literature and philosophy because they aren't really profitable.
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This shows why universal literacy was a mistake.

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Is anyone else interesting in living the Greek life? A plank of wood for a bed, a laptop, and a bunch of books is all I want.

Sure, I want money and a decent job, not as goals in themselves, but as a means to an end. A little bungalow, some weights, a bunch of books, and a steady income and I'm set for life. Have no interest in accruing items for the sake of conveying social status. It's a monkey game.
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I don't think you know what the Greek life is, my friend. They would probably appreciate that there are enormous discoveries and revelations to be made, and that science is bringing us ever closer to important questions they bad. Don't strive for the lifestyle you're describing. I'm living it right now, and it's hedonistic and unfulfilling now matter how you look at it or how many good books you read.

It's your life, but you should wait until you're at least middle-aged to live like that. You're right that participating in consumerism...
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>>7914245

I didn't meant to imply dropping out of everything, but rather being indifferent and holding a stoic attitude.
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>>7914245
>the greek life is hedonistic

Can someone be this wrong ?

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>have great respect for professor
>they pretty much shape how you want to be as a writer
>finally get around to trying one their published books
>it's utter garbage

Is there a more horrifying feeling than this?
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Post your feet
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>>7913853
Not everyone can write like Nabokov, I believe having a deep understanding of literary conventions, techniques etc. doesn't necessarily make one a great writer.
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I sort of know what you mean. I had a Creative Writing class in my undergrad years and the professor there taught a lot of stuff, she really got me to improve, I enjoyed how she taught and perceive creative writing. So I went ordered one of her books and read it without letting her know. It was awful - some YA fantasy trash. I wasn't sure what to do, so I pretended I never read it.

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Who's more right here, /lit/? Does using dictionary words instantly make you a better writer, or is it better if the words make you have feelings in their simplicity?
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Communication is key. Both are fine, it's the eyes reading the words that matters most.
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I prefer Faulkner, given my trip, but separating my partiality from the matter, I'm still leaning towards Faulkner's side. While you don't need complex words to illustrate most things, there are some ideas or concepts that only a complex word or complex words could address.

Anatole France, a fellow Nobel laureate, also searched for the mot juste, or the right word. He may have sent some of his readers to the French dictionary, but that's a little discomfort to the fluidity of his prose because he sought that right word.

Faulkner, as manifested...
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Hemingway won because he consciously set up a dialectic, presumably with a sly smirk, with that reply.
Faulkner's accusation was petty and a shitpost. Hemingway doesn't really care but says the exact opposite of Faulkner just to set up the dialectic and meme the spat. He's in the grave and still is fucking with all of you.

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Is this a fucking joke? No, seriously, is this for real?
You fucking morons have Infinite Jest as your number one book.
You have two Vonnegut books, a Murakami book, and Lord of the Rings.
You don't have Goethe's Faust, one of the greatest pieces of literature in the western canon, yet you have The Recognitions aka the long winded Faust. It's not even Gaddis' second best work.
What is wrong with you people? Do you even read?
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>>7913138
you're so fuckin cool dude
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>>7913138
Then organize a new survey fucktard
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>>7913167
I thought I was on /b/ for a second after seeing this comment
>>7913174
I'm going to

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are there actual marxists? what kinds of revolutionary activity would have to happen in the states to even begin to approach meaningful change?
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in all honestly nothing
go live in a commune or something because the left killed itself
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>>>/his/
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>>7913147
nice try, bucko

So tell me lit, do you have to believe in free will to be an existentialist? Also why do you believe in existentialism if all the evidence is saying we dont have free will?
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>>>Phil. 101
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Kant already answered this question 200 years ago...
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>>7912386
>if all the evidence is saying we dont have free will?

Confirmed for having no knowledge on the current state of philosophy.

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What is /lit/ currently reading?

Pic related
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That's a weird cover, OP.

As for me, enjoying this as much as his others works, it's fantastic.
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I'm really enjoying it so far.
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tvätta händerna, boken blir smutsig(are)

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who /psuedointellectual/ here?
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>>7908797
...giving you the exact right answer
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me sometimes, especially cuz im lazier than ever

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What should I read before Wittgenstein in order to understand what the fuck he's talking about? Are there any good secondary sources to understand him?
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1. http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/regulars/ray-monk-wittgenstein

2. Ray Monk's The Duty of Genius
3. Ray Monk's How to Read Wittgenstein
4. Blue and Brown Books
5. Philosophical Investigations
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He's writing at a time where formal logic is developed (the mathematical logicism project in Emgland/Austria in particular) and everything was ideosynchratic.
Working through a 200 page book about formal logic sure would be helpful.

desu I don't get how anybody who didn'y do mathematical logic or analytic philosophy can take anythung away from it (except then reading the last page and smaking sense of it for oneself and agreeig with it)

I'm speaking about the Tractatus here btw., the secind book is less formal but harder to get
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What should I read before Heidegger to know what the fuck he's talking about?

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Im 20% into this, is as terrible as it seems?
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>>7906718
Feels like a children's book or Coelho tier literature, should i drop it then?
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>>7906693
My English teacher made our class read it over the weekend in our sophomore year of high school. Some of us complained about having to read a "whole" book in such a short time, but it really is the sort of thing you can read in a day or two and not really miss or overlook anything in.

Memeingway's a middling author at best.
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>>7906722
You are an idiot, and should drop reading altogether.

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For those of us that aren't going to school to get a degree in English, what are the best options to learn about literature and how to make good literature? Critics? Guides? What?
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>>7906379
im curious about this too. I cant justify spending all that money for little return
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i listen to lectures on youtube during my commute. i've learned a lot about lit. theory
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>>7906644
Got a B.A in English last year, can't say it was much wasted money since I live in a country which has basically free Uni. Also I live in a non-English speaking country where it makes sense to learn practical skills in the future world language.

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Don't deny that this was a good line.
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Any writer who uses a semicolon deserves to be hanged
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>>7903739
LOL, I like the line and was going "Godamn so many years hating John Green with a passion and the dude can actually write some.", then, thanks to you my friend, I notice the semicolon. I can sleep easy again.
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>>7903739
What's wrong with the semicolon?

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Books on a love relationship between a female from the upper class and a working class male?

I have a crush on a girl who is from a way different background to me and occasionally I convince myself I have a shot before reality reminds me that it I'm being delusional.

Please respond.
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>>7914799

Post a pic of both of you and I'll tell you. No bullshit. Total honesty.
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>>7914799
Classist shit like in the books isn't really a thing anymore. Unless she comes from old money, your social standing shouldn't be a problem as long as you're polite.
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>>7914807
Why would I post a picture?

>>7914808
I assume she does come old money, although I'm not aspergic enough to "research" her family tree or anything. Also I'm not very polite, partly due to my being the only working class individual in the location wherein she and I both frequent and my subsequent disinclination to "play the fool" or "play the pauper" in the sense of my background being the basis of my character or something...
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>inb4 pages upon pages of jokes about pic related
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One to start:

I know that my own father once found his daughter, coke-addled and twisted in the driver’s seat of the car he’d bought her for her sixteenth birthday, blood crusted below her nostril with the body of someone else’s little girl crushed by her tires and strewn along the freeway, and while the policemen took her away, all he said was that he could never stop feeling proud of her, but he had stopped feeling proud of himself for being her father.

The day I found Abilene lying in that heap, the needles in her arm, semen in her hair, she said to me,...
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BUYING DEAD BABY, USED BABY SHOES
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Ever worn baby shoes?

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