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What are some must-reads if you're an anti-semitic, woman-hating nationalist white supremacist?
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Sex and Character - Otto Weininger.
Anything by Evola.
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my diary desu
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>>8293375
Weininger claims that man's love for a woman is narcissistic. I will not read such feminist drivel. Man's love is pure and true unlike that of women

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Post your favourite fantasy series.
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>>/plebgeneral/
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>>8293381
Gormenghast is barely even fantasy friend, it's closer to Joyce than to Tolkien or God forbid trash like Rothfuss or Bakker.
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>>8293370
The Chronicles Of Amber, best thing ever for me, besides Tolkien in fantasy. Top tier stuff.

If you'd allow me to have a serious discussion, I'd like to ask a question. How does someone seriously get into philosophers like Hegel and Schopenhauer and anyone else who has that dense, highly intellectualized writing? Maybe some of you can read it with ease (although I'd imagine many of you just claim you can read it to seem smart), but do most people just avoid reading those actual texts and just read about them from reputable sources?
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>>8293369
I honestly think the easiest way to comprehend those texts in this day and age is to start on some kind of a religious yet secular path. It helps with abstraction. I can understand starting with the greeks but point remains that the greeks themselves had a particular vernacular specific to their times, and the words they used weren't necessarily employed in the same way they are today. You want to learn the philosophical dialect. So read the Bible, the Avesta, some Upanishads, the Quran, then some classical literature,...
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Any ultra dense text is an effort of multiple readings. Sometimes spaced out over years as you connect the parts.

It's more of a study than a reading

You read it. Go back and start trying to fill in the parts you are most lost about. Read it again, repeat.
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>>8293369

Just watch a 5 minute youtube video and pretend you know everything about their ideas.

/lit memes you're GLAD you fell for
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I came in with sort of shaky foundations. Half-assed mythology, didn't read the whole theban trilogy, only read the illiad and not the odyssey, etc.
Was a right joy going back and reading the stuff properly. Same goes for philosophy.
Only regret is that I came here in part to improve my English, and instead I've only been reading translated stuff.
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mason and dixon
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Stoner

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https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/4teozs/have_you_ever_had_to_stop_reading_a_novel_because/

>Nobody has really read Finnegan's Wake. People only make the claim and nobody can call them out on it, as they've never read it either.
>Nah, not entirely a prank, although there are lots of prankish elements to Joyce's later work - Ulysses, for instance, is filled with meaningless themes and arbitrary motifs specifically designed to throw academics off the trail of his true meaning.

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>>8293299
Why are you going to reddit?
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>The most apparent book that comes to mind is the first Dune. There was way too much going on with the political details, history, and nomenclature. My poor teenage mind couldn't follow it all.

Also:

>past Chapter 2. It is so boring. Also, in grad school I was assigned Proust's "Remembrance of things past" and I couldn't finish it. Of course I was in a M.A. French Lit program and reading the original text so there's that.

M.A. in French Lit but too stupid to read Moby-Dick...
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>>8293374
Oops, accidentally cut off the bit where he can't read Mony-Dick.

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Thoughts?
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>>8293241
Good book misappropriated by edge-lords and fedoras.
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>>8293241
One of the best film adaptions I've seen desu
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Good book, terrible film adaptation. Leaving out the last chapter from the film ruins the entire point.

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Is he in hiding?
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>>8293232

Pynchon has friends and family and goes outside and stuff. He's not a total recluse. He just doesn't want a media presence.

I'm sure if you want you could do some snooping around and stalk him, snap a picture or two, but no one has tried that for a while now.

fun fact: the photogropher of this picture wanted to shake Pynchon's hand but he told him to "Get your fucking hand away from me. I don't like people taking my picture!"
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>>8293242
das not my man pynch
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>>8293242
Who cares about photo's though?

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Hey /lit/ Wanna get into some Philosophy. Who should I start with? Some Greek niggas?
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Plato's dialogs, of course.
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>>8293182

No, he should really start with the pre-socratics.
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>>8293195
No. He should start with Plato, and then move on to the pre-socratics.

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Why the fuck do people put these ugly cases on their books?
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>>8293138
they sell the book; once it is purchased it may be removed
i keep them because it makes finding an individual book easier on my shelves
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>>8293138
It keeps the sun off
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>>8293138

Literature is just as commercial as any other form of media. Gaudy designs appeal to the masses.

>2.64 MB, 3072x4096

Was that really necessary for slip cover?

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My friend's dog just died, and I was thinking of getting him this collection of Jack London's canine stories.

I've not read it myself, are they any good?

Also, I'm a bit deficient when it comes to social norms. Is it acceptable to give someone a book of dog stories when they're grieving their best friend? I can't tell if it's a good idea or not.
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>>8293109
>I've not read it myself, are they any good?
I think they are among the best of classic American literature, and are also very accessible to none readers.

> Is it acceptable to give someone a book of dog stories when they're grieving their best friend?
I think the best thing would be nothing, asked the wife and she concurred. Offer condolences.
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Their good books, but that's fucked. Don't buy that for him..
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>>8293109
I get you have good intentions but if you can't see why that would be a bad idea then maybe you need to re-assess the situation, OP. Fellow dog-lover here who lost his best canine buddy a year ago today: I can confirm that it will feel insensitive, even if you mean well. Give him a few months and then recommend him the book if you think he'd enjoy it/if you enjoyed it.

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Billy Shakes and Chuck Dickens wrote to entertain the plebs of the day and now their work is revered as high art.

Do you think that time will see today's pleb fiction become tomorrow's patrician lit?
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>>8293037
>mistaking effect for cause this hard
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>>8293037
>mistaking effect for cause this hard
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>Dickens
>High art

>Shakes
>Written only for plebs

Shakespeare is like a good kids show, on one level retarded and simple for kids, and on another full of hidden meanings and innuendo to keep parents entertained

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I want to dive into John Keats' poems. Some recommendations? Is there a good starting point for any collected works?

I found a 'Hyperion: a fragment' book but I don't know if that poem is incomplete (for the 'a fragment' subtitle).
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Hyperion is very good. Keats abandoned the poem because it was too Miltonic ( that's what "A Fragment" refers to), but there's some incredible stuff in it.

Anything from 1819 (his odes especially) and 1820 is genius, just about the most sustained period of brilliance in English verse. He's also one of great sonneteers in English, so check them out too.
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>>8293017
any Keats collected or selected works will certainly have all the famous poems and starting points

the odes -autumn, nightingale, Grecia urn, psyche, melancholy
when I have fears I may cease to be
on sitting down to dead king lear again
on seeing the Elgin marbles
are all good starting points.

I recommend saving hyperion fall of hyperion and endymion for later.
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Oh yeah, and don't read Endymion either. It's so sickly sweet I feel like vomiting every time I read past the first book (song of Pan is good though).

Just a daily reminder that reading to become more cultured is motivated by the same kind of narcissism as obsessing with makeup or fancy clothes.
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>>8292925
And how is that bad? Strive for excellence on every field or don't try at all
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You're kind of right, but at least reading to become more cultured provides the opportunity for the reader to better themselves and become a more well-rounded person, while those other things you mentioned just waste money.
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>>8292925
lol no

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Is there any book that will help me stop being so indecisive?

It's become a serious problem in my life. I'm completely paralyzed by it and my life has completely stagnated. Whenever I dedicate myself to something, there's always this nagging frustration i'm wasting my time going down the wrong path, so I always just end up back to square one -- sat here alone in my room twiddling my thumbs, fantasizing about what could have been and what could be.
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Siddhartha is a pretty good book about carving your own path.
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Atlas Shrugged
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The Defining Decade seems to be on the issue you're describing. Started on it, but haven't gotten around to finishing it, but if I remember correctly (it's been a while), the gist of it is just to pick something and go for it. It's alright if you end up not liking the path you chose, but having started, you may come up on to other opportunities you would not have had otherwise, and those can lead to other sets of opportunities, and so on, until you eventually land on something you like.

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Why isn't Shakespeare considered a fantasy writer?

I mean... Oberon, Titania and the other fairies in Midsummer, Hamlet's ghost dad, the three witches in Macbeth, the sorcerers/sprites/spirits in The Tempest... etc.
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idk
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>>8292841
>some fantastical elements = fantasy writer

Come on now
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Fantasy is largely a post Tolkein phenomenon dominated by world building and things of that kind. People just don't put things taken from myth and fairy tale in the same basket.

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