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How much overlap in content is there between "poems of fernando pessoa", "selected poems" and "a little larger than the entire universe"?
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>reading poetry in translation

fag
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>>8185700
Stop bumping your dumbass thread and look up the contents of both works
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>>8186203
right because I'm really going to waste my finite amount of precious time in the one life that I get so I can learn portugese just so I can read fernando pessoa, when I could get enjoyment out of his works with a translation. Yeah nice fucking logic, expand life by a couple millennia and maybe I'll consider it.

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How is this book?
It was a booker prize finalist.
I've heard it is pretty heartbreaking.
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It's a gay minstrel show with tepid prose. I fucking hate the state of literature in 2016. You can write absolute garbage but as long as you're a female or minority writer writing about homosexuals/minorities, you will have all the world's accolades heaped upon you. Just look at that hack Junot Diaz. Writes absolute shit but he's a brown man writing about "muh immigrant experience" so he gets a Pulitzer and MacArthur Fellowship.
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>>8185669
>long as you're a female or minority writer writing about homosexuals/minorities, you will have all the world's accolades heaped upon you
Statistically inaccurate.
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>>8185669

omg so true

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Does Marquis de Sade hold any merit as an author and/or philosophy, or is it just filth?
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>>8185640
He has one idea that could easily be summarized in one small paragraph that he repeats over and over.
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>>8185640
What a horrifyingly awful cover, he does hold merit as all libertine texts do, it's about 100 pages long so read it and don't be a wuss.
Then read the quintessence of debauchery.
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He holds merit but it's also just filth.

It's mostly just interesting as an exploration of the total extreme of sexual consent and also to see the beginning of a certain kind of pornographically informed self censorship

Hogg is similar in that last theme

Any more books like this? Doesn't have to be gonzo style, just books where the main protagonists take shitloads of drugs
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>>8185609
Burroughs.
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>>8185625
Opened the thread just to say this.
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>>8185625
>>8185639
Anything in particular from him?

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How do book readers feel that an adaption is now spoiling the source material? Do you think GRRM is ashamed of what he has done to book fans or is he too fixated on his artery-thickening meals? I don't even mind waiting five years for a new book. But now I'm waiting while everyone around me is spoiling the books by talking about the latest episode. How did GRRM think this one through?
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It's not spoiling anything, the tv producers can go every fucking direction they want it to go and you know damn well GRRM will just bend down and take it anyway.
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>>8185487
The adaptation doesn't do justice to the author. GRRM has no children and devoted his life to ASOIAF. D&D wasted it all.
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>>8185487
if you can't separate the two mediums you're autistic

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Let's say I've written 20 poems and want to publish them in a little book.

What happens from on here? I pay for publishing a book, also have to pay for 'x' amount of copies, and I'm also very likely to never make any money out of it right?

Basically this is done for my own soul right? Since there will probably never be any benefits out of it?
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If you're a total unknown, then yes.
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Don't worry maybe you'll end up like nikolai gogol


>"He had hoped for literary fame, and brought with him a Romantic poem of German idyllic life – Hans Küchelgarten. He had it published, at his own expense, under the name of "V. Alov." The magazines he sent it to almost universally derided it. He bought all the copies and destroyed them, swearing never to write poetry again."
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Send manuscripts to publishers, magazines. Pull some strings eventually. If you are good, you might even get a rejection letter.

Purity going to be a TV show

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/02/business/media/jonathan-franzens-purity-coming-to-showtime-starring-daniel-craig.html
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so the sex scenes won't be revolting?
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Good. My favorite novel by Franzen and one of the best things I've read in years.
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>>8186492
nice try franzen

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Was he the smartest man in history?
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>>8185386
Me.
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>>8185386
Since when does /lit/ listen to brown people?
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nah, that's me

Was Foucault right?
But does it really make sense for a philosopher without any education in psychiatry to write such a book?
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>>8185272
>without any education in psychiatry

Um? Wrong, he was educated with psychiatrists and worked constantly in psych wards
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>>8185279
My mistake. But was he right? Does his words hold any merit?
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>>8185295
Definitely, the book is a classic.

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I'm looking for a book with the magical, melancholic aesthetics of Days of Heaven or The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford although more on the comfortable side so no Blood Meridian please.
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The Wonderful Wizard of Oz
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Stoner by John Williams is exactly what you're looking for. I'd also recommend Faulkner, particularly his short stories. Get the collected version and you can just thumb through and you'll find what you're seeking.
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Do you have moomins in your country and what do you think about it ?

I read them when I was little and now re-reading, gotta say it is pretty neat and good

It is pretty dark for a childrens book
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Moomintrolls are so weird and cute. Snufkin is the best character in all of literature. Overall, A+.
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>>8185119
Loved the TV show, Moomins are underrated af
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Watched it in 4th grade because my teacher was Finnish
Have always wanted to check it out

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at what point does a literary work collapse into "genre fiction"? how does one avoid such pitfalls?
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>>8185091
1. When it uses a significant number of the tropes that define a given genre
2. By not using them
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>>8185091
Something becomes genre fiction when the primary goal is the plot instead of the themes, art, etc.
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also genre fiction is plot-driven

Thoughts on Touched with Fire by Kay Redfield Jamison ?

Touched with Fire: Manic-Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament is a book by the American psychologist Kay Redfield Jamison examining the relationship between bipolar disorder and artistic creativity. It contains extensive case studies of historic writers, artists, and composers assessed as probably having suffered with Cyclothymia, Major Depressive Disorder, or Manic-Depressive/Bipolar Disorder

The book received the Lewis Thomas Prize

>The Lewis Thomas Prize for Writing...
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Touched with Fire stars Katie Homes and Luke Kirby as two poets with bipolar disorder whose art is fueled by their emotional extremes. When they meet in a treatment facility, their chemistry is instant and intense driving each other's mania to new heights

https://youtu.be/Ex7nscQxS30
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Plato, in his dialogue Phaedrus (sections 246a–254e)...

...to explain his view of the human soul. He does this in the dialogue through the character of Socrates, who uses it in a discussion of the merit of Love as "divine madness"
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>>8185051
>new heights

Ever Upward

Your love will take me higher and higher

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I asked the guys on /x/ was wondering if anyone could help me out here, I'm basically trying to expand my library on the topics of demonology, hell, primordial gods magic, spirituality, etc. basically any any esoteric topics I can get my hands on. not exactly a beginner but could benefit for beginner books. any
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https://nephilimpress.com
^good cheap books on darker occult subjects

maybe try scarletimprint as well, generally high quality writings altho kinda espensive if you buy the "talismanic" editions
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more specific recommendations in case the websites wasn't quite up your alley

>demonology
the infernal dictionary might be good for you. also look up the goetia to see if it interests.
>hell
dante's inferno?
>primordial gods
joseph campbell's masks of god series?
>magic
crowley, waite, mathers, regardie, spare, chumbley, levi, agrippa, etc.
>spirituality
upanishads, dhamapada, baghavad...
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>>8184978
>>8184978
how about a place i can track these books down?

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ITT: Rate the last five books you read out of 5 stars. Write a Nabokov style review for your highest and lowest rated books.

The Solitudes: 3/5
Hoelderlin, selected poems: 5/5
Child-soul: 3/5
F: 2/5
Notes to Literature: 4/5

F. Dislike it. Middling and insincere. A cheap attempt to accomplish what Gaddis already has, but without wit or erudition. Aborts rather than births the irony so necessary to its criticisms.

Hoelderlin. Love it. Divine and lofty. Satanic and base. A soul that understands what poetry can become when it makes hope itself...
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Maupassant - Pierre et Jean: 2/5
Andersch - Sansibar oder der letzte Grund: 4/5
Hines - A Kestrel for a Knave: 1/5
Dazai - No Longer Human: 3/5
Chuang Tzu (?) - The Book of Chuang Tzu: 4/5

>>8184888
please no, corn father
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>>8184893
forgot the review

A Kestrel for a Knave: Okay as a story, not much merit to it as literature. I imagine it would make fpr a decent-ish film, though I haven't seen the film. I wouldn't necessarily call it "bad", just not particularly good.

Sansibar oder der letzte Grund: Unfortunate that this one isn't translated/read in English circles, it's a fantastic story and told very well imo. Nothing world moving and I wouldn't put it on any list of most important literature,...
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