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What are your thought on using multiple languages in a book?
cool if they are languages i speak
pretentious and/or passe otherwise
>>7405830
it's fine as long it's just basic stuff, don't have it be shit that someone has to reach for the dictionary for
It'd be nice if they footnoted translation on the bottom, kind of like the French in Tolstoy translations
What are some non-fiction books that can teach me the art of manipulation?
I want to be the master puppeteer who uses psychology to get people to give me whatever I want.
I can give you some books that show you that that's not how the world works and that If there was a successful book for that you would know about it already. And if you read a psychology book you will realize you're the manipulated one here.
Become a better person who is comfortable with not being in control and, whamo, you're suddenly not a fucklord who thinks psychological manipulation is a thing and suddenly has the whole world in front of him to enact his will on through legitimate routes.
Go read everything that isn't what you're looking for and you'll realize the subterranean neurosis of common life already holds everybody in its grip in some way, and all you can do is try to become a better interpreter of whats IS deep down inside people by being a better person and understanding yourself. There's no mastercode to the human mind, because why would we make books about all the lovely and crazy people out there and the many multifaceted meanings of situations?
At the base level all I'm trying to get across is that if you think this is actually a thing then it will be painfully obvious to everybody that you, in some way, are disingenuous and trying to manipulate them. People are perceptive, and not the masse of sheep you probably think they are.
Treat people like humans, anon, and all of this will probably be better than ever reading some bullshit PUA oriented book on "how to manipulate friends and become a self serving black hole who actually has no friends because everybody knows what he's trying to do."
Also, I might just also be writing what I would like to write to a guy in the Philosophy Club I am president of that thinks he subtly manipulates everybody. But everybody knows he thinks that and are very uncomfortable around him because he wears baggy jeans and weird denim vests with messenger caps and says he likes his hood because it makes him look like he's from Assassain's Creed: the best game he's played.
Probably just like you.
Don't be a fucking autist OP
>>7405853
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Prometheus Rising
Anyone know of any good (and largely successful) novels/unified books comprised of several interrelated or intertextual pieces? I really enjoyed Faulkner's TSatF, and I believe he reached a new level of formal and structural brilliance with Go Down, Moses.
Anyone have any recommendations?
>>7405787
I should probably clarify: I want to read more novels/books made up of several long-form pieces which, while relating to and complementing each other, can be considered individual, accomplished and (to a certain extent) self-sufficient works. I'm thinking ideally of a work made up of a group of novellas, as opposed to a novel broken into several parts or chapters, which seems more conventional.
Instead of answering your question I'll ask another. I didn't see the connection between the fragments of Moses. Care to explain?
>>7405793
The things they carried by Tim O'Brien.
Sketches of a Sportsman by Turgeniev. (This was one of Hemingway's favorite books, pretty cool stuff. The book show the life of russian peasantry in the 19th century, and it was banned in Russia because it was seen as promoting social revolution.)
Starting to read this tomorrow. In German of course, preparing for a wild ride. What should I do before/while reading this? Additional Ideas?
I don't think there is any reason to read it in german instead of english unless german is the language you are more fluent in. Just make sure you get a decent translation.
t.have read the text in both english and german
Also, it's shit.
>>7405786
I hate this use of the word "ride" so much.
>>7405791
You probably dislike slang English too.
I am not my grandmother or my mother
although they are flowing into me.
Into me I am not them
And I will not take this beating
Beating down like the rain
Beating down like the rain
Without a sound
IT'S FUCKING SHIT
>>7405761
stop, please, stop.
>>7405761
Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz, nice job on that planet yesterday
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Just finished Catcher in the Rye for the first time. Pretty good book, but I don't think I completely understood Holden and his motivations. Did he fear growing up and rationalized it by calling society phony or is it the opposite, he saw people for what they truly are and chose not to partake in what he views as corrupt?
Same thing bruh.
Did you like the part where he rapes his sister Phoebe?
>>7405684
Is this a meme or something?
I have decided to offer you a choice, /lit/. You can only choose one.
1. Publish a trash-tier novel that becomes a bestseller. You are trashed in the press by the critics and media. You become cannon fodder for bad late night comedians. The educated smirk when your name is brought up at dinner parties. Your words are prime meme material for internet forums. Fortunately for you, the book is optioned for a movie franchise that's handled better than your book and your lawyer wisely negotiates royalties.
You are set for the rest of your life. No more worrying about rent. No more worrying about food on the table. Drive nice cars. Stay in luxurious hotels. You can spend the rest of your days getting supermodel blowjobs on private jets or spend the rest of your days laying the sun on your 100-foot sailboat in the French Riviera or spend the rest of your days floating in your cliffside pool on any coast you prefer. In short, you can do whatever you want.
However, to the educated, you'll forever be considered a joke. Your family will be well off for a few generations, though they won't generally acknowledge where the family money came from. Some of them will just change their name completely. Your name will largely be forgotten to history before you're even dead. Certainly after. Maybe some grandmother from some small town in the midwest will remember you as, "wasn't he the guy who wrote that book that became that movie for teen girls?"
2. Publish a novel that goes largely unnoticed aside from, at most, some small, local press. You know how great you are and can't understand why you're not a massive success. You turn to drugs and alcohol to satiate the nagging knowledge that you're better than this. You become a joke to your family and friends. A scumbag drug addict that couldn't let his dream die. You owe money all over town. A couple close family members do what they can, as long as they can, but they can't keep it up forever. Maybe you choose to ignore the drugs and alcohol? You...
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3. You publish nothing. Choose not to play. You continue to enjoy your life as best you can. In your spare time, you share a passion for literature and art, hopefully with friends in real life, but on the internet is just fine. You read the classics and memorize your favorite prose. You get drunk and shitpost in forums. Meh, it's fun. You go to your job during the week and get the weekend off and then you start over and do it all again. Maybe you find someone to love? Maybe not? Maybe you have kids who provide you grandkids? You like spending time with the grandkids. You,...
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>brilliant director
>oscar winning actor
>straight A student with doctorate in multiple academic fields
>incredibly handsome ladiesman, can have literally anyone.
>down to earth comedian who doesn't take himself too seriously
>Professor at ivy league university.
>Philosopher who killed postmodernism
>voice of our generation
Is...
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>Is there anything he CAN'T do?
be the person he pretends to be
2nd rate shia labeouf.
>>7405551
Getting straight A's is nothing special now-a-days thanks to grade inflation bud.
He's a garbage writer in every format of the written word.
And on that note, what the fuck is he doing on /lit/?
I wanna see your guy's bibles
>>7405471
>New American Standard
nigga do you even into christ
King James is best translation
>>7405471
Thank Moses, Jesus and L. Ron Hubbard, I'm cured.
>>7405471
From 1904.
you cannot avoid choosing
looks stupid desu
free verse
formalism is for /pol/tards
>>7404981
good luck saying your poems aloud anon
>He stepped out of the car into solid ground and open air. Our celestial mother above proudly blazed as he dragged a hit of oxygen and light-headedly almost felt to float up into the heavenly expanse as the stuffy confines were left behind him and he was suddenly aware that it's a big, big, world around him, what a world to be lost in! His point of view fell from the balcony of his ego, down and down and down to where he stood in the centre of that instant.
What did he mean by this?
He realized that matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that all life is but one concience experiencing itself subjectively, there's no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves
>into solid ground and open air
welp, lost me
sorry, weirdo pomo man, dont have time for writers who make you guess what they mean
>shit was dank af
Am I the only one who found Pynchon's use of Entropy/The parabolic path of the rocket as metaphors for the rise and fall of human life as unbearably pretentious and without much legitimate philosophical substance?
>Am I the only one
no, but you're in the company of a bunch of plebs.
funny story, he has a short story about entropy in slow learner, it's reel gud.
>>7404846
No, you're not. Pynchon is the Family Guy of literature: throwing out references which having nothing to do with anything except his schizoid view of the world.
>>7404858
Excellent bait, friend. It's almost like you're sincere.
I haven't read any Lacan or Hegels. How fucked am I?
not very if you understand the basics of the real/symbolic etc
zizek is literally a comedian, he writes enterntaiment for people who know philosophy
WHY would you read a book about Hegel wiothut reading Hegel?
What /is/ the difference between the real and the symbolic?
I mean really
What's a good book focusing on the history of Ancient Greece? Preferably an eBook.
Pomeroy is OK but there is a longer version just called "Ancient Greece." It's pirateable. It's the textbook used alongside Kagan's Yale course:
http://oyc.yale.edu/classics/clcv-205
Bury + Meiggs is nice. Grote rhymes with scrote.
thucydides
or xenophon
>>7404699
do you know where i can find the longer version? i looked on bookz but there's nothing
What's the difference for Kant between to think and to know?
I think you know you kant know
>muh noumena
>>7404659
You seem to know. Do you could help me where can I find the resolution to my problem?
