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I need some opinions. I'm writing on a project (hopefully a book) with an omniscient narrator, but I'm thinking of having narrator actually communicate with the characters. I know it's really odd and a bit too experimental, but I have a reason behind this. The book itself is about (well, it's more specific than this, but I'm not going to give away specifics in case my concepts are stolen [I'm sure none of the writers on /lit/ would honestly blame me]) grief and lack of closure (or the delay of closure), and I'm thinking I want an omniscient...
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Shameful self-bump.
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Dude what are you even talking about, dont ramble. I'm not even sure what you're asking. A 3rd person narrator that talks to the other characters? Isnt that just 1st person?
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>>7601787
you're being kind of a faggot
you want us to help you but because you think your idea might be "stolen" (seriously OP, i'm sure whatever you have going has been done before and much better if it relies on some gimmick that can't be revealed to us) you give no context as to why that choice would make any sense and so we really can't be fucked to think about it

thoughts?
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Opinions?
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>>7601751
i really like it but i'm german an did read it in it's original german version and i guess there has been quite a lot lost in translation.

it's basically a 500 page love-letter to literature in a weird-funny fanatsy-world, a little like pratchett but better, with more effort, a little deeper. also it's incredibly well written in regards of immersion, you really really dive into this world of literature. there are also a lot of remarks to classical literature and writing and so on, so... yeah,...
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>>7601759
Try putting that in the OP next time, anon.
I did like your analysis though.

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>character in a russian novel mentions Schiller, Byron, or Goethe
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>>7601613
>reading an english translation of a russian novel
>not comprehending the fact that people have been furiously translating works since there was more than one known language.

Did you forget to take your trendy friendly butt plug out or something, Jim?
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>>7601630
You're clearly misinterpreting my post. Try reading more and maybe you'll get it
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>character in Russian novel starts speaking in French

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>when you read a book and it references another classic and spoils the ending for it
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>>7601587
>reading for plot
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>>7601589
>not equally enjoying plot, prose and message
ISHYGDDT
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>>7601595
>reading for enjoyment

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What are some Bloom approved books?

Hard mode, no Pyny, Roth, Donnie D or Ermac Mcarthur.

I'm surprised this one is
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>>7601265
Northrop Frye's Anatomy of Criticism
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>>7601265
Why surprised? Bloom's an idiot.
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>>7601308

Surprised because it seems uncharacteristic of Bloom, or surprised because it's bad?

I personally loved Cat's Cradle. It saddens me when people either hate it or they enjoy it but feel they have to qualify that enjoyment by conceding its simplicity—as if complexity itself is a literary virtue. I mean, if you hated it, fine. I'd just like to combat the trend of people hesitating to avow their enjoyment of Vonnegut because they're afraid it puts them in an intellectually inferior position....
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I was interested in philosophy but never took a course in university. I read some abridged version of the Trojan War when i was in grade six and it was a favorite book of mine growing up and i picked some other book detailing Greek mythology.

I need an intro to philosophy. Im not talking just about the western school of thought, although i've started with the greeks. Im reading the illiad and will follow it up with the odyssey. What are other books that i should pick up? Im interested in eastern and indian phil too. I read Siddhartha a few years ago and I didnt really...
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siddhartha is dumb, don't waste your time rereading. just a simple book for young people.

for what it's worth, if you found siddhartha narcissistic, you may end up finding most of eastern philosophy gives you the same feeling. It's very self-centered. While the west was focusing on the ideas that lead to democracy and other such things, the equality of all, the east was focusing on the role of personal development.

I don't have time to advise you on specific books. Good luck.
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>>7600865
Read these books, in this order:

Ancient Philosophy
Plato: Republic
Aristotle: Nicomachean Ethics, Politics

Medieval Philosophy
Boethius: Consolation of Philosophy
Aquinas: his commentaries on the Plato and Aristotle books above desu senpai (optional for now)

Early Modern Philosophy:
Descartes: Meditations on First Philosophy
Hume: Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
Spinoza: Ethics (optional for now)
Kant: stick to secondary sources for now (he's really hard to...
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>>7600873
i am all for personal development but i didnt like siddhartha because of his woe is me for enjoying all earthly pleasures and giving it all away. I mean the guy was born with a sliver spoon, got an education, partied hard, has mid life crisis and lives by himself. I just find that this is the same "based on a true" sob story that nets in millions of dollar through books and movies


>>7600893
Thanks. Is there a list for the eastern/indian schools of thought?

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Just finished this, thanks for the recommendation /lit/. I guess part of the whole novel's purpose is to what degree you sympathize with the narrator, whether or not he's reliable, etc. I thought it was a great read, although I wasn't crazy about the ending. Discuss?
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>>7600088
The whole novel was a commentary on propaganda and media spin.
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I like the ending because I took it as the only happy ending is everyone dies I think it's meant to be kind of a guilty 'good.' than an 'aw that's sad'.
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>>7600096
Care to elaborate on this? I'm interested.
>>7600106
Yeah, I see your point.

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does anyone here work in publishing? what is it like?
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That's a big suit
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>>7600061
For you.
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>>7600061
4 U XDDDDD

upboat please

Fuck off back to reddit

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Let's have a big old discussion about Authorial Intent

>Does it matter when reading a text and creating an interpretation?
>Can something about the author be meaningfully gleaned from a text?
>Are readings of a text that differ from the author's intent invalid?
>If readings that differ from authorial intent aren't invalid, are any readings of a text invalid?
>Does the process of attempting to remove context...
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Depends on the work and how you want to read it. If your want to study how bias a source is, say the Peloponnesian War, it would be important to know about Thucydides and Cleon.
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>>7599791
It's just a tool. I think it's more effective as a measuring stick by which you can measure their effectiveness as craftsmen in successfully crafting a work that embodies their intentions. However, the author is only one of many of the links that intersect at the point of the text in order to produce meaning.
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>babby's first literary theory

mate reading the fucking wikipedia article will get you better discussion than you're gonna get here.

the tldr is death of the author and intentional fallacy tends to get paraded around by freshmen who just took lit theory 101 as the end all be all of literary criticism because they think it's so cool and edgy (and helps them project whatever shitty interpretation they have on the text and defend it from criticism cuz "muh death of the author")

people who actually work...
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Hello /lit/
I, for long used my Kobo to read Epub, but many books that interest me are in pdf, and I think we all agree that it's horrible to read on Kobo.
I've came to ask if any of you know a way to change the program with a better one, more adapted to pdf reading, like you can do with RockBox for some walkman.
I, in advance, apologize if you can't understood someparts of what I wrote, english isn't my first langage so sometimes my sentences may seems strange.
Thanks
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>>7599554

Calibre
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>>7599572
I tried calibre, but it fail to convert correctly pdf to epub, the sentences seems randomly placed on the page
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>>7599617

I'm not sure there's really a good program for converting pdf to some kind of text. It's a process that goes against the pdf format in a way, which is designed to lock up elements on a page.

ITT: we go on amazon and find the most cringeworthy reviews we can for esteemed books
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I don't know, guess he just wanted to read child porn but got literature instead
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>>7599448
Reaction, might be even more cringeworthy
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I'm about to start part 3 of Crime and Punishment and I can't help but worry that the P&V translation has scratched some of the beauty of Dostoevsky with some of their awkward phrasing after reading Oliver Ready's handle on some of the more gripping passages. It just seems like the superior translation, localised with just the right amount of colloquialism and nice shading of imagery as shown below.

>In Part I, Chapter 5, Raskolnikov dreams of a scene from childhood — a cart-driver has overloaded his cart with passengers and...
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All translations butcher it, anon.
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>>7598605
Hello Reddit!
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Go with the McDuff translation, anon.

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>Start writing
>Write around 200 words
>Look at what you wrote
>It's shit
>Lose momentum
How can I change this?
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Use an app that locks you into continuing forward

Handwrite on tiny pages so you can't see what you already have

Stop being a pussy faggot

Idk just some options
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Keep writing, don't look back until the editing process. Then, when you edit, whatever you find shitty you'll just trash and rewrite. You wrote 300 pages and 128 are shit? Trash 'em and rewrite.
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>try to write as meticulously and thoughtfully as possible
>end up with perfect sentences and story that's moving along well
>tfw work at a terribly slow pace and can't get anything done in a reasonable amount of time this way

>try to let myself lose and get the words flow out
>get a great amount of work done
>tfw errors everywhere, story's messy as shit, and overall looks...
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What software do you use to write? What do the pros use? I've tried the free Abiword, but something about it just doesn't seem right.
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Long hand.
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TeXworks
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I prefer writing with a pencil but it's inconvenient to revise outside of Word. The best chapters of my manuscript were drafted longhand first

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Best plays thread

hard mode - no Shakespeare
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Tamburlaine part 1
The Spanish Tragedy
Knight of the Burning Pestle
Volpone
etc
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Electra
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Does /lit/ have a guide to theater guide floating around somewhere? If not someone should make one.

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