So I heard recently that your brain "rewires" while on HRT. Does this hurt or daze you, and does it give you cocklust.
Also will I start thinking not how I used to?
If you're MtF, you basically become more emotional, hysterical and start to think more with your feels rather than logic.
>>6564247
That's an awfully sexist way to put it. HRT makes you emotionally unstable for a time but that's because you're going through a process similar to puberty. On the long term it does make you more emotional but not in the bullshit way you describe.
How does it make you more emotional then? I just wanna know, idc if its sexist or not
>>6564278
You're just more prone to feeling feels. This doesn't make you illogical. Just a pepe.
The changes are subtle in some ways. You will almost certainly not be aware of most of them. My girlfriend is always point out how my personality has changed, and I am not even aware of it.
Perhaps because to others you will seem more different but to you, your just becoming who you were repressing all this time. I do think the way your brain behaves on HRT is closer to the way it is "Supposed to" behave for transpeople.
As for cocklust. I do think about penetrative sex but it doesn't need to be from a man. I am not even really attracted to men romantically, however I can definitely spot an attractive man now; whereas before I couldn't.
I also see myself as separate from men now, when before I would compare myself with them sometimes.
I feel more "snuggly" and have the desire to cuddle a lot more. I find my memory a bit better, and sense of smell as well. Which is and isn't brain. I am definitely more relaxed in most cases, and don't get angry as often. (more likely sad) That said when I do get angry it is WAY more intense. Like that old saying about, "Two guys I am willing to step between to break up, two girls... forget it, you will lose an eye."
Some more obvious changes are with your taste in things. I like different porn, food, styles, and people. I attribute this to HRT.
The full list of things is way to long to bother writing out but that is some of the things I have noticed.
>>6564268
>not in the bullshit way you describe.
LOL
guess you didn't meet many trannies, my friend
Definitely more empathetic, which I think is what people mean when they are saying you think with your feelings. >>6564283
I think just as logically as I ever have. I mean considering the MTF in computer science meme if we stopped being logical a lot of people would be out of a job.
>>6564268
A big part is adjusting to the "Potency" of your emotions. That can make it seem overwhelming because of the depth to which you're feeling things. Once you learn to control/interpret these feelings I don't think this is an issue.
(Beyond crying more in general haha)
Pure honscience.
I'm always concerned when I see sexist MtFs. This is like being black and a member of the KKK. Someone needs to detox OP.
After being on estrogen for a year, testosterone is a noticeably aggressive substance. Sometimes i get very mild waves of something like PMS where i'll be irritated or on the verge of tears without knowing why. Only for a few hrs at most, not like a whole period. I think its really manageable unless you have a mental illness.
hormone therapy and what it does to you really depends on what you are taking and your age/genetics, so all i can tell you is what it did for me
i don't think my sexuality has changed much. still into men. it is a good idea i think to keep masturbating and seeing people because going without orgasm or sexual release when the HRT is already destroying your libido can make you asexual
i cried a bunch the first month on estrogen, but that was partly because coming out and my whole situation the first month was terrible. i do feel more 'emotional' but like a couple other people said you just feel things more strongly. like for example i used to never get bothered my violence in movies, but i watched green room the other day and it made me really uncomfortable (i thought it was an okay movie though)
honestly the biggest changes mentally happen when you can pass. it sounds super obvious to say this but social expectations are entirely different, and trying to meet those is what changes you
>>6564355
The problem is that the major sex hormones do have an impact on what's going on in your brain, both directly and indirectly through sex-differentiated sensory tissues. More indirect still, as a person's body changes, how people perceive the same behaviours and qualities, and how they act toward the person will change. In the complex fashion of social identity, this can change the way that a person perceives themselves and the world around them, which necessarily impacts attitudes and behaviours.
So while no, hormones won't change someone into a whole new person, yes, the consequences of taking them can certainly make it seem that way with insufficient insight.
>>6564624
>honestly the biggest changes mentally happen when you can pass. it sounds super obvious to say this but social expectations are entirely different, and trying to meet those is what changes you
I wish this were posted in every fucking thread about transition. Thank you so much!
>>6564635
I'm that poster and I don't disagree with you at all.
>>6564234
Cis guy popping hormones here. Only thing that I feel changed mentally was the way I felt emotions, but I still maintain a good level of control over them. I also lost some ambition and drive, which I think is purely from virtually no testosterone. Less prone to hitting-things tier rage as well. All of it is pretty subtle and I feel over the years it has settled down and become normalized, I feel pretty normal. Never had instability, never felt hurt by it, never felt dazed by it. I did become more of a faggot though but maybe that was just me loosening up in regards to gay shit. I used to be very straight looking and acting, I feel becoming a visible faggot/boygirl freak thing has made me loosen up about being a homo and quit fearing if others would judge me for it. I don't think the drugs made me more gay, I just feel like me doing them made me realize there's no point in holding back for appearances.
>>6564732
>Also will I start thinking not how I used to?
I forgot to answer this part.
I don't think it will change how you think really. You're going to be the same person, maybe a little more tame, maybe a little more feely if you let it happen, but you won't be thinking like a different person, your core thought patterns will follow their general trend, you may change as a person through becoming more honest with yourself and open to your desires, but you'll ultimately be very much the same person I think.
>>6564234
I was 80% into girls before hrt
now I have extreme cocklust
send help
>all this literal honscience
But yes, my experience:
>Way less aggressive about everything I do
>When I'm under intense stress I feel less of an urge to rage and more of an urge to cry
>Cry more easily in general
>Enjoy shipping when I watch TV shows and anime
>>6564715
Sexism basically. Men are gonna talk over you, interrupt you, make stupid jokes and expect you to laugh, and - of course - condescendingly explain EVERYTHING to you.
Also if you express anger for even a minute they will instantly label you as "crazy" or "manly" and avoid talking to you because they're threatened by you.
Source: I am an FTM.
>>6564234
It changes the physical structure of your brain because estrogen is a potent anti-oxidant. It basically makes your neurons closer together.
But it doesn't really change the way you think. I was always really emotional even before HRT, and HRT didn't increase or decrease that. I always liked shipping characters and cried easily and was very non-aggressive.
The only real mental change is psychological. Even just knowing that you're on hormones decreases dysphoria, and taking that step makes it easier to start opening up and stop repressing.
Not having testosterone kinda changes your sex drive though and makes you feel a little calmer. Like not your arousal, just that testosterone fueled need to cum. You still get aroused by the same things but in general you don't feel as much of a need for release. And after you have an orgasm you don't really completely lose your arousal. Like I could masturbate and then be just as horny a minute afterwards as I was before I masturbated.
It can be frustrating because you can't just masturbate and then feel totally satisfied for hours. But its also nice because being aroused doesn't mean you feel a need to masturbate anymore.
So hormones aren't going to "make you think like a girl", imo because girls think the same way as guys. It's not like there are completely different thought processes between guys and girls, maybe just a few very minor emotional differences. People confuse the psychological effects of starting transition with the effects of estrogen.
>>6564234
>Does this hurt or daze you, and does it give you cocklust.
It saps your energy, and makes you have sexual and mood swings.
I swear I came out gayer then ever before even after I stopped it.
>>6564715
when people naturally assume you were born a cis woman they are just going to act in a very different way towards you. sometimes this has a major impact on your job, especially if you work in a job that requires direct customer service.
it's a controversial view on 4chan where people react to the word feminism the way other people react to nigger, but in my experience men usually have the more dominant role in relationships and the workplace. for example, women who are unusually strict or loud are much more likely to get labeled as crazy than men who do basically the same thing. you will feel more vulnerable than you did as a man. i don't think it gets much easier to make female friends while you can pass, simply because women are more judgmental than men. what you like and don't like can more easily end a friendship than it ever did with a guy.
obviously these are generalizations and they're not always true, but if you want to make friends with men and women and have them assume you were born a cis woman your personality and the way you act naturally changes. i'm friends on facebook with a couple of openly trans people i know back where i came from and they really have not changed that much. they talk the same way, they have the same interests and their idea of makeup is blue eyeliner and lipstick. i think a large part of that is the world seeing them as trans and treating them like that.
tl;dr summary: because women are treated differently in society from men, if you pass as a women most people will expect you to conform to that and that it what ends up changing your personality the most.
>>6564759
into girls pre hrt
after taking it a while I get an even more intense lust for girls while noticing their outfit hair or makeup
Walking cliche of lesbian in a mans body?
>>6564910
yes.
seriously, before i was into girls, only sexually, maybe for the dysphoria i don't feel.... nothing emotinal for the girls i like or anyone, i feel like a robot, interested in the girls phisically, without knowing why, and don't likking in any aspect.....
now with HRT i barely have sex lust, but i can empathize with people,, when i like a girl, i like her a lot, and not just for the ass like before, now is.... a combination of looks and personality, the feelings are more "pure" and no pure sex drive like before.
also, 3 years on HRT and still without cocklust, soooo i'm pretty sure i'm a lesbian.
>>6564268
I'm the person who wrote the original post, I'm MtF myself describing my experience. Maybe I just have internal muh soggy knees or something hurr durr
>>6564234
>>6564889
Yeah, this is to some degree true. I know it is actually a bit hard to pinpoint what causes changes, because when you transition you actually change a whole mess of things at once usually.
I know that a major part of my change in how I do things has been my growing comfort with myself and the confidence that instills, making me far more likely to express myself as I want to.
Another major change has been in how people talk to me and act around me, which has totally changed how I would respond regardless of anything else. I haven't really faced much in the way of negativity towards my situation, so it has all been positive reinforcement surprisingly, and outside of my home town it just has never been brought up as trans at all.
I am not really sure about the emotional changes or anything brain-chemistry related. I know I do get more emotional at things, but I am also not sure if that is just me being more confident to express myself openly. I also didn't notice anything that changed in who I was attracted to, other than now I am actually interested in pursuing it.
>>6564234
yeah, you should google sex hormones effects on brain, there are bad and good things
also depends on the AAs - some will give you depression and other shitty side effects
I have a question:
I know it don't work with depression, i've been diagnosed with clinical depression and tried to "supress" it. Didn't worked and i almost killed myself.
Can i "supress" the changes HRT will do to my personality? I mean, keep acting like i was before, to hide the fact i'm transitioning.
>>6565305
I mean, read the thread. The difference won't be huge aside from the whole puberty moodswings thing for the first year.
>>6565305
HRT will not change your personality, and its not like you won't be able to act the way you did in the closet pre-hrt. You will still have control over the way you act...
>>6564296
Thanks for your description :)
I've been thinking about HRT for practically my whole life, but I'm really doing it seriously for the first time lately. I've been really curious about the mental effects though, and to me it sounds amazing.
>>6564732
Are you cute? You sound cute desu
>>6565736
My gf thinks I am :3
>>6568636
>my gf
>transbian
confirmed for not cute
>>6564247
>you basically become more emotional, hysterical and start to think more with your feels rather than logic
Not if your a transbian, thinking with emotion would be highly illogical desu.
>>6564268
This poster is a transbian.
>>6568723
Very true. But estrogen is estrogen (trannies take bioidentical estradiol), and if you've got female levels of it, you become more emotional (i.e. emotions are felt with more force and thus less easy to ignore and they more easily influence one's actions), this is scientific fact by the way, no argument can be had against it.
That said because being raised as a man requires one to have great mastery over his emotions, trannies and hormone popping femboys such as myself (moreso the latter) are well-equipped to handle the changed emotions and more capable of adapting and not allowing emotions to control them.
I can see the emotion in your post. Like most women, you were coddled and never had to learn to control your emotions, so your thought patterns are dominated by them. Your opinions are heavily influenced by them. So you see some random shit like this, and it triggers you because you know damn well it's true. It's too bad you're never capable of spitting out more than at most, a few very flawed and short sentences, rather than any sort of argument or real point. You basically go "muh feels" and run off.
Of course they're just altered men, c'mon we're not stupid here, it's plain as day. But sadly for you us altered men see right through you.
>>6568727
>transbian
protipp: femboys cannot be transbians. I'm a femboy, a cis male taking hormones. Don't make me show you my titties and make you cry in jealousy.
>>6568748
oh plz you're a transbian dating a woman. Now go whack off your little estrogenized pp like a good lad.
>>6568748
Trip on red, also your tittles aren't anything to brag about. xD
>>6568743
Lesbian and bi women, read this post. This is what trannies really think of you. You're a part of their fetish to them and they think women are inferior.
Sometimes their mask slips and you can see the ugly fetishist sexist truth.
>>6568757
Pretty much. They've completely retained their male approach to sex.
>>6564234
Okay, I dont want to get into a big science discussion, so I dont know if this helps or not understand it.
Hormones can be neuro-modulators. This is not quite like a neuro transmitter but works similarly. Think of neurotransmission as being the signal and the hormones set the voltage, so to speak.
My point is that a hormone can come in many molecular forms, but that thats all it is. Same as genes. Or sex associated synapses that retain interest.
What we call male and female behavior is typically function following form. It has less to do with whats between the legs and more to do with the physiology and size of the creature itself, which is why we perceive animals as having the personalities we might expect based on how we view them.
The way we view gender is by looking at a characteristic, finding a use for it, then for its opposite. Now we have a polar model.
Then we pick a name for one that has the most linked qualities, which then distinguishes from the second group.
Because form actually follows function. we then see that one sex is closer to one group of characteristics, insisting the other group has the other. The roles are then exploited for their best utility socially, and that we call gender.
You will notice some changes not in *what* you think, but some subtle changes in (*how* you think it. Since you don't have the neurophysiology of a female, you shouldn't expect your corpus collosum to grow or anything like that this far past birth.
And, it's reversible at that level, so you don't have to worry about losing some part of your identity. In truth, we all lose it because we age with new experiences, and thats ok.
>>6568743
I don't think there is anything inherent about either sex that gives them a mastery of their emotions.
Men can be just as emotionally unstable as women.
Generally with women they will lose it to sadness and crying while men with anger and rage.
most likely due to estrogen and testosterone each
>>6568766
I'm not red, red is just a tranny, and I've already shown them a good deal, never got complaints. Just trannies crying that they started at 17 yet still couldn't stack up to a cis boi who doesn't even want them :/
>>6568764
But I already jerked off twice dude, and no matter how much you whine and cry that I'm a tranny, it won't make me stop feeling dysphoria over my tits and becoming too feminized. I'm just a bi guy bro. Undergoing body modification to become a freak doesn't change that. I'm sorry I'm not mentally ill like all you :/
>>6568772
>It's too bad you're never capable of spitting out more than at most, a few very flawed and short sentences, rather than any sort of argument or real point. You basically go "muh feels" and run off.
You should have read this part of my post
> It's too bad you're never capable of spitting out more than at most, a few very flawed and short sentences, rather than any sort of argument or real point. You basically go "muh feels" and run off.
Now all you've done is proven me right. You've made an ass of yourself. You've helped prove that women indeed are idiots working mainly off of emotion. Way to go. Just as I predicted.
On top of this, this thread isn't even about women in any way. It's about HRT's effects on the brain/personality/thoughts. You failed to even grasp the nature of the thread and instead lashed out, because you're emotional, and you hate trannies. Thanks for the laughs though.
Keep 'em coming. These are rich.
>>6564234
Oh boy this thread sure is a shitshow
Going on HRT will cause observable changes to a few brain structures that are sexually dimorphic.
However the actual amount of change depends on how they were initially, how much hormones you take and for how long, as well as how much your environment/perception changes during you taking them. There's almost nothing that is really 'hardwired' in your brain, most of it is changeable to some degree and hormones will influence that.
Going from male->female will likely cause you to have lesser spatial visualization ability, and potentially better literacy skills. Those are the two main factors when it comes to neurological differences but there isn't that much research that as actually been done using psychometrics.
Emotions can be more powerful, but they won't necessarily change how you act.
What I mean by that is as an example: before hormones I would rarely get the urge to cry, and if I did I would evaluate if it's appropriate/necessary and usually calm down.
Now after almost a year on hormones, I rarely get the urge to cry but when I do it is much more sudden and powerful. I can still evaluate if it's appropriate/necessary and control it as such, so from the outside it doesn't really seem like I'm more emotional.
Also your personality won't really change at all unless you actually want it to, which happens to most MtFs.
>>6568817
>Undergoing body modification to become a freak doesn't change that. I'm sorry I'm not mentally ill like all you :/
>implying
>>6568817
>it won't make me stop feeling dysphoria over my tits and becoming too feminized
i thought this was a hon meme
the more you know i suppose
>>6564795
>condescendingly explain EVERYTHING to you
Maybe if you weren't so stupid and ignorant, people wouldn't need to do that.
>>6569953
Don't take it out on him, faggot
>>6569905
>They are literally just mentally ill straight men playing dress-up
FTFY
>>6564296
depression affects negatively on memory and senses. i don't think improved memory or sense of smell has nothing directly to do with hrt, you're probably just feeling a lot better about yourself
>>6573065
>implying "tru trans" are not just mentally ill effeminate faggots
>>6564296
i'm pre-hrt and very emotional and don't get mad often but when i do i blow up. and i also have strong desires for cuddles.
