I just want to be normal for fucking once in my life. I want a woman to love, but there exists no physical attraction. No matter how "hot" the girl is, there's just nothing. There never has been. I'd put myself in a gay conversation camp if I could.
I don't know, do you guys have any advice for me? The worst thing about being gay is being grouped in with those fucking degenerates. I'm not a feminized male. I just like fucking dick.
>pretty sure I might be gay
>don't want to be at all
>hate myself because of it and many other things
>just going to tell people I'm not interested in a relationship and/or I'm asexual and be chaste for the rest of my life unless I meet a girl who fits the oddly specific bill that is needed for my to be attracted to her
I don't really mind, all in all.
I have the sex drive of a panda, and now I can put my time and effort towards more useful and better things than relationships and sex.
Have you ever been naked in bed with a girl?
>>6514127
>I'm not a feminized male. I just like fucking dick.
Yea you are. All gays are. Research has shown their are some parts of the homosexual's brain which resemble female ones.
You could try dating more masculine girls.
I kind of know how you feel though now since i've fully accepted my bi tendencies. They're some days where I can't aroused to something unless there's a dick or I know it's a male or some men are attractive and I try to not show it.
The only thing stopping me from being a full blown homo are my family, my interest in having my own children someday, and certain features women have that am attracted to that males lack.
>>6514127
>gay conversation camp
Do you just go there and talk to gay people?
>>6514248
oh whoops. I meant to say gay conversion camp.
Are you me?
I also like dick but it's too shameful to ever admit. I was forced to once at a clinic. The female nurse made me tell her that I had been penetrated anally by another man before asking me if I enjoyed it. She wouldn't let me not answer because she was trying to get me to "accept myself and my sexuality".
It's so fucking shameful and degenerate that I can feel the anger build up within me just thinking about it.
Please cure me.
>>6514764
Ok, follow me anon~
>>6514127
In theory everybody is bisexual. So, go full celibate for awhile, without even fapping. Eventually the sexual tension will be such, that that 5% hetero still in you will be enough to get you sexually attracted to a woman.
>>6514127
Are you emotionally into women at all? It feels weird and forced for me to imagine being with a woman even just to cuddle or be intimate at all. I'm sort of into the vague idea of someone that can be impregnated but as soon as feminine shapes and smells come into play im just not about it.
You are going to have to embrace yourself just the way you are OP. You are beautiful and you deserve love just as much as anyone else.
You will feel SO SO SO much better once you get rid of the harshest of all judges: your self
I am a gay girl and i only came out a year ago (Im 27). I felt unhappy for years and years. Never gave arelationship with a great woman a chance becauseI thought i was going to live a solitary celibate life 4ever. Simply to not have to come out.
My turning point was when I heard someone I admire say "I am gay and I am proud. I don't want it to change"
Now I can whole heartedly repeat this sentence. Hopefully it will give you the same strength as it gave me. This one's for you:
I am gay and I am proud. I don't want it to change.
>>6517895
>Be traditional gay man
>know that you're a complete failure because you have failed our moral and religious values and can't reproduce and raise a family
>end up pretending to be straight while having side men
Coming out is admitted failure for unhappy men.
>>6517895
Fuck off you whore
Can't wait till Islam puts you fucking parasites in your place
>>6517895
>I am a gay girl
Transbians are straight men though so stop pretending that you're a lesbian, sir.
Op I spent like 5 years pretending I wasn't trans after I had my big realization.
I went like Completely fucked mentally, which has only just started to resolve since I started transition.
Obviously it's not the same, but you need to be real with yourself
>>6522588
>getting triggered by the word sir
found the man in a dress, stay mad bro
>waaaah I don't wanna be gay
Well, fucking sucks to be you doesn't it?
Grow a pair and fucking deal with it.
>>6514127
>degenerates
I'm as masc as they come, but equating fems with "degenerates" (a dumb fucking /pol/tard meme anyway) is idiotic, for one thing.
The only advice I can offer you is this: you can't control who you want to fuck. Nobody can.
Get used to it or you'll destroy yourself.
The ancient Greeks and Romans had sex with men all the time, were they degenerates? Well, okay, some of them were, but most of them weren't! So what I'm saying is that you should be less like a gay man from the USA and more like a gay athletic patrician from Athens.
>>6514127
>fucking degenerates
I know exactly how you feel
>>6514127
>any advice for me?
KYS
>>6522843
Greeks and Romans were mostly pedo. They really aren't stellar examples.
>>6522978
This. They fucked slave children and it wasn't gay as long as you were top.
So fake it. Date a woman, and if she seems irked by the lack of attraction, blame her. It works.
>>6514230
>Yea you are. All gays are. Research has shown there are parts of the homosexual's brain which resemble female ones.
Anon, I'm pretty sure he meant effeminate guys, as in femboys and shit like that.
Plenty of people think I'm straight as fuck, more so than my straight friend, even though I'm the gay bottom guy. It's all about mannerisms. Granted, I haven't seen any gays without at least one "gay mannerism", so I'll give that one to you. But you don't have to walk around in a thong to be gay.
>>6514127
the fuck is wrong with you is my advice. I'm all over the board and never was like "oh no, i wish i was normal and judged good by society." Just get over it, someone is always going to hate who you are and many many others just won't give a shit.
Stop disliking being gay is my advice.
>>6514127
This is the blog and self hate thread? Cool.
Growing up I never considered anything other than tits to be sexual things, but lately I've felt attracted to some guys and my porn addiction has escalated in the last few years to a point where I'm like a fucking crack addict for fapping but I barely have boners anymore.
I don't hate gay people. Being "bissexual" is just... I'm afraid of eventually loosing my attractions to women because that would turn my life around. Does that actually happen? I know this sounds ignorant as fuck but I'm paranoid so I don't care, I started going online and seeing that people change sexuality later in life and it got me stressed as hell.
Somebody once told me that "everybody thinks they're gay until they see an actual dick", and I do see those at the gym, and I get nothing other than anxiety attacks. I'm going to do what this guy said >>6514975
>>6514127
Homosexuality is deeply ingrained into one's being.
Changing homosexuality wouldn't just be turning the switch from homo to straight. You would need to overhaul the whole being of the person. In the case of fems. The way they move, talk and even the gay face.
You would have more chances of turning a straight beta into an alpha, something people would pay a lot to get.
Psychology is not that advanced yet, it merely treats minor traumas, but it cannot change personalities, much less sexual orientation.
>>6514127
You're weak. You're pathetic. Honestly, the people you think are degenerate and hate are far more stronger because they are at least courageous enough to be comfortable with themselves. I grew up in a conservative Christian household and still came to terms with myself at 16. If you can't do it as an adult with an adult understanding of the world, living in an era where only a minority of people in society even give a shit, you should honestly either shut the fuck up about it or end your life. Nobody should pity you because you refuse to take action. You're the worst kind of person; the person who spends their days bemoaning what cannot be changed instead of trying to live the best life they can despite it. I legitimately hate you, OP. You're the scum of the Earth and I hope you know that it's not because you're a gay, it's because you're a fucking faggot.
>>6525069
I mean, technically you could just fap to women for a year and trick yourself that way. You'd just be used to it by then. But why the fuck would you punish yourself doing that desu
>>6525580
I don't get your reply at all m8
>>6514127
You're not normal. You're not attracted to women and you never will be. You just need to accept it.
>The worst thing about being gay is being grouped in with those fucking degenerates. I'm not a feminized male. I just like fucking dick.
I don't get people who think like this? You're attracted to men? Fine, be attracted to men. You're only 'grouped in' with anybody in the sense that you have the same sexual preference. Just live your life, suck dick and be your own fucking person. And, I guess this is an opinion, but how bad are gay people really? And I guess this is a matter of opinion, most (or, at least, plenty) gay people are actually pretty normal. Even if they're camp to a greater or lesser degree, who really gives a shit? If it bothers you, don't hang out with them.
>>6514127
Cheer up friend. Everyone has different tastes. Theres nothing saying you cant live as a straight guy. You will always have your twist, but you dont have to shape your whole life around it.
I assure you that if you keep trying, you will find a girl you will like
Everyone has to make choices about how they deal with attractions that might make a personal inconvenience. Guys married to blonds might prefer brunettes.
Maybe being "gay" isnt for you. Just because you like something doesnt mean you have to be dragged into a particular label. Entire nations are filled with such people who live as straights.
You just need to find the right girl if you want a legit hetero lifestyle. Go for it. You can decide when and how you want to deal with your attraction to males. Maybe sneak a rent-boy off to a motel every few months or something. Sex is fun, but you shouldn't let it undermine you larger life goals.
>>6514127
Honestly if I wouldn't lose almost everything I've worked my whole life for I would definitely be out by now. You have to get over the fact that you're a fag and realize that you're the main barrier to being happy. Accept yourself because there is no reason for you not to. And 90% of the time (I'm in the weird minority where this isn't the case) people really won't care that you're a homo, especially if you don't act like a fag all the time. Right now you're caring about your sexuality more than most people. I mean how many times do you actually walk down the street and wonder what sexuality people are?
I'm starting to not want to be gay anymore myself, mostly because I found out my brother is gay also, and I'm scared of how my parents would react to both their sons being faggots
>>6514127
You sound like me from about 5 years ago.
You'll get over it.
But yes I've come back around to harshly judging feminine faggots.
Mostly because they DO affect other people's opinions of us as a whole and they are ALWAYS the ones waving their sexuality in everyone's faces.
Remember the golden rules of life:
> life is shit
> find inner peace depite that
> be accountable for yourself
> be accountable for your kin
>>6514127
Being gay makes you no less of a man. Being straight definitely doesn't make you manlier.
I'm taller, stronger, can fight better, and have a deeper voice than most of my friends, and I'm bi. I used to be all melodramatic about it just like you are, until I realized it bears no weight on who I am.
Being manly is overrated. Most of the guys I've meet who are overtly manly are usually compensating for something. Usually they're either insecure about their height, dick size, and yes, their sexuality.
If you're so concerned about being manly, then man up, and deal with being gay. We all deal with shit we don't like, or want to change, but can't. The best you can do is not care about others opinions.
>>6527106
You aren't over it though, you've just pushed your own self-hatred on flamers when in reality you're no different from them.
>>6514127
The reality is you are one of those degenerates.
I am very much like you in terms of how you feel.
The truth is you either have to embrace being a degenerate freak or just try your hardest to not act upon it.
Currently, I do the second. I've got myself to the point where if I relapsed I'd probably kill myself in disappointment. Nobody wants to help people like us get "cured" and they push the unrealistic "everyone should accept themselves DUDE GAY RIGHTS LMAO" mantra down everyones throats.
>>6517895
Let me guess, you've been through "acceptance therapy" (brainwashing)?
Everyone who advocates the stance you do ("LOL EMBRACE YOURSELF") speaks in the exact same way. It's like you are reading from a script.
Fucking creepy.
>>6525572
You are the one that is weak you freak.
You literally just gave up and accepted defeat instead of trying to better yourself and fight the challenges of having same sex attractions.
Men don't just fucking give up when things look a little tough. Fucking pussy.
>>6529536
>Being gay makes you no less of a man.
Well if you are openly gay it certainly does make you less of a man, you are literally disregarding the primary function of the male half of the species because "muh emotions".
Men fuck women and make them pregnant, spreading their DNA. That is the role of all mammalian males.
>>6529908
You're confusing something that just happens as if it was your "role" or "reason to exist". It's not. It's just what happens.
Still, "to be a man" is something we created. Being a man is not just about being a human male, it's a gender role with a lot attached to it. And yes, being gay does detract from your man points. But as something we created, it might change eventually as people stop hating gays for no reason. Hell, in some parts of the world in history we even saw gay sex as something that makes one manlier.
>>6529862
>Nobody wants to help people like us get "cured"
That's because the amount of people like us who got "cured" is a big fat zero.
You can't make yourself not gay. It's just not how it works. You definitely can control your behavior, though. Question: is it worth it? For the majority of people, it is not. The stress and suffering that comes from denying yourself something so important and from hiding in shame, really, is just too heavy a burden to carry.
Simply put, the world is shit and you've been dealt a shit hand. Learning to deal with it and just accepting yourself is the best move you have, even if it's still a shit move.
>>6530062
>That's because the amount of people like us who got "cured" is a big fat zero.
Because all attempts at doing so since the 80s have been discarded because a small group of selfish homosexuals decided to push their agenda on everyone else. These people are selfish and just pretend people that have same sex attractions are either all the same as them or mentally ill and need to go to "acceptance therapy" (brainwashing)..
Same sex attraction could realistically be cured with modern science but because of the political climate and the meme that every gay person likes being gay it's not going to happen.
>>6530049
>Still, "to be a man" is something we created. Being a man is not just about being a human male, it's a gender role with a lot attached to it.
It's not as simple as that. I know a lot of feminists like to pretend that gender roles are completely manufactured and artificial but to believe that you would truly need to be deluded.
>>6529879
One of us
One of us
One of us
You are one of us and we will make you accept it :3
>>6530114
Kill yourself.
>>6514127
Here's what eventually led me to gain a mild attraction to asian girls at 19 years old after being 100% gay up until that.
1. LSD and other drugs
2. Kpop
First I got attracted to doing my fetish with girls. I randomly get urges to fuck a vagina. The sexual attraction is there, but I typically choose not to explore it because girls are also fucking annoying as hell. I still consider myself gay because I'd never pursue romance with a chick but hey I've hooked up with them.
IMO I doubt its possible to truly change ones orientation, but sexuality itself is pretty fluid. Just gotta do drugs man
>>6530216
You will kill yourself if you continue repressing
Accept yourself ok?
>>6530318
"Accept yourself" is the most meaningless meme statement that the LGBT community uses. I accept that I am a homosexual freak but I refuse to act on it. Just because I don't delude myself into thinking I'm straight does not mean I like being gay.
>>6530078
>Same sex attraction could realistically be cured with modern science.
No it can't. They don't know how to solve inner issues.
This kinda worked for me, it is /x/ tier. You need that person who can reach to the inner core of your being and shake things up, you need your straight crush. You need to get emotionally close and intimate, without going sexual. In fact you should go full celibate (not even fapping) during the time of your close friendship. You need to feel that he perceives you as an equal peer ( No dominant or submissive roles), in that moment you will feel a sense relief in the inner part of your being. You will feel that something changed inside you, after that, you won't be crushing on guys anymore. This just kills the heart of homosexuality, the thing that fuels it, but it will take some time for the homosexual personality to change. Homosexual encounters will start losing their thrill and they won't be as "before". Slowly girls will start catching your attention, you will find yourself checking out boobs and asses. Suddenly you will naturally start fapping to heterosexual fantasies.
After the emotionally intimate encounter with your straight mentor, you will be in a place where you won't be fully attracted to either side, in my case, it was a few years.
This is my experience, my crush was my roommate. The whole thing was very intense.
It worked for me.
I don't know if it might work for somebody else.
>>6530295
It's weird for me, different drugs give different result.
On MDMA I was finally able to accept being gay, and everything seems at peace with world, like I am truly myself, and I should accept myself.
While on LSD it was the exact opposite. I felt as though it's not natural for people to be gay, and I saw all the life's decisions, pass before my eyes, that led me to 'becoming' gay. I saw it as if I installed a wrong program, and it was causing a problem with my operating system. And I should simply not access that program.
Now, I'm back to alternating between the two. I'm curious in trying both again, and see what kind of result ill achieve.
>>6530377
>does not mean I like being gay.
I believe that's exactly what 'accept yourself' means. You are the way you are, you are stuck with yourself, so there is no need in fighting it. I am in the same boat as you m8. It is really tiresome though.
>>6527106
do you ever feel like your harsh judgement on effeminate gays has to do something with your insecurity with masculinity and feminity and the way that these gay men express these qualities?
It is for me. I suppose I feel ashamed at times, and to see it presented so boldly, and confidently, irks at me because I myself am not. I suppose I also sometimes hold back on presenting myself in an effeminate manner because I either think other men wont find it attractive or I feel that it makes me weaker...Why hate these qualities though? I know I don't find them attractive in other guys. Maybe that is why I myself do not want to have them.
There are a lot of things that I wrestle with as a gay male, and sometimes, simply seeing an effeminate gay man is enough to bring these feelings out. This insecurity might be the same found in homophobic men that beat gays up. It's terrible. I'm working on loving myself.
>>6514127
More people come out of gay conversion camps gay than those that go in.
>>6514146
>just going to tell people I'm not interested in a relationship and/or I'm asexual and be chaste for the rest of my life unless I meet a girl who fits the oddly specific bill that is needed for my to be attracted to her
not to be a cunt but that's literally what I was originally wanting to do growing up. Then though, once I started becoming convinced that a guy that I was attracted to was eyeing me, I realized that it made me feel so good that I didn't care that I was gay and everything that implied, I just liked them so much that I wanted to be with them so badly.
Needless to say that didn't amount to anything but the point is that if you like somebody enough then that's all that matters. Of course though I get not wanting to be lumped with the other degenerate gays, that's seriously a problem I've always had with being gay as well as having aspergers syndrome. I'm still trying to find the answers to this part of it, but regardless if you're fortunate enough to find somebody that you really love then that's enough. I have no idea how I'll deal with the inevitability of having to tell other people about this private part of my life, but having somebody that I love so strongly would make it worth it for me.
>>6514230
>Yea you are
Just because the brain is more feminine than a hetero brain doesn't mean you're a feminized male, socially and psychologically speaking. Of course there's probably some degree of repression of feminine characteristics or some shit, which I understand that I definitely have, but the choice of the individual of how they represent themselves (regardless of their socialization/experience) is what should be considered masculine or feminine.
>>6514230
Those same studies show only a portion of gay men have 'feminized' brains, to varying degrees, and the vast majority of bisexual men have actually hyper-masculine brains and psychological traits.
tldr: if your gay and think your not fem, you are likely not fem, and if your bi and think you are fem, you are likely fem, regardless of what some generalized stat says about a large population
super tldr: get fucked
>>6531133
I thought it mean that people should stop pretending they are straight and accept that they are homosexual?
Anyway I do agree, it is tiresome. I disagree with the "you are the way you are, you are stuck with yourself, so there is no need in fighting it" attitude though.
Men are supposed to better themselves. Could you imagine someone who is fat saying that? It seems really weak to me to just give up because it's not easy.
>>6517895
posts like this make me feel extremely angry and i don't know why
i have the overwhelming urge to beat up anyone that speaks like this to me
>>6531976
Link?
>>6514127
Y'all nigger posting in a /pol/ thread.
>>6514127
Women are terrible people anyway.
Chill.
>>6514127
>gay conversion camp
You'll only be brainwashed and tortured into hating yourself more.
Just try dating guys and keep an open mind. If it feels right, then it's just the way you are. It doesn't make you a bad person.
being gay sucks
