Does anybody else here that is a transexual consider themselves only that, a transexual? I don't have any delusions that I'm a woman and I know the technology to make me one just doesn't exist. Realism is important. I'm a guy whose undergone hormone therapy (and maybe some other stuff later on) to look like a female, but I know that I'm not.
Not AGP either, at least not enough for it to have been my motivation. I've always wanted to be a girl sine I was very young, some of my earliest memories involve being sad that I was a boy. It was a little depressing to realize I couldn't be a real girl but after accepting what I could be, things started feeling okay.
Any other mtfs feel similarly? What about ftms? Frankly at this point I'm considering continuing my transition but skipping all the legal stuff like name changes and gender markers, it'd just be lying to others.
>>6459566
Some transsexuals have brains with regions which tend toward those of the other sex. Depends on what type you are.
>>6459597
See I get the neurological argument but even then, being intersexed doesn't make me female. My chromosomes, skeleton and genitals are male. Passing nicely won't make a real girl out of me, so why act like it will? I just think a little self acceptance is needed here.
>>6459566
If you just went a step further, admited you're really a boy and embraced all of the good aspects of it and androgyny then you'd be a femboy.
Poor anon, so close to transcending but yet so far.
>>6459566
>Any other mtfs feel similarly? What about ftms? Frankly at this point I'm considering continuing my transition but skipping all the legal stuff like name changes and gender markers, it'd just be lying to others.
A lot of us feel this way
We're not becoming the opposite sex, we're just making body modifications which suit our appearance preference. Not going to demand other people call me a specific thing, and they can make all the judgments they want. I'm doing this to feel comfortable in my own skin and I don't really give a shit if people perceive me in a specific designation labeled 'woman'
You're not that strange and you're not alone
>>6459613
I don't want to be androgynous though. I like the female aesthetic, I want to be female. Recognizing that I can't be doesn't really change that I think. I've got no desire to keep going around in boy clothes, speaking in a boy's voice and pretending I'm a regular boy. That's as silly to me as pretending to be a regular girl.
i believe that while my first experiences of transitioning will be of a transgender (although in a lot of ways similar to that of a woman) and that during this process i will identify myself as transgender. once the process is done i will consider myself a woman because this isnt about how i view myself, its what society projects onto me as being and that will be of a woman. my experiences will be of a woman and not of a transgender mtf. the only unrealistic idea in your argument is to think that you are doing this for how you see yourself; why do you think so many trannies post selfies and make trips to whore for attention?
>>6459566
I don't; I consider myself a woman. However, before I started hormones I felt and thought like a man and I considered myself one to some extent.
I was raised as a boy in a male body, and I acknowledge I'll always be bio male. But really the only difference between male and female humans is hormones and time. hormones even determine development of sex organs. otherwise we are all just the same base model.
>continuing my transition but skipping all the legal stuff like name changes and gender markers, it'd just be lying to others.
It's not a lie. If you live your life as a woman it doesn't need an explanation. you can tell people you're trans, or a man, or whatever, but it's no lie. besides, even shemales have girls names
>>6459610
>intersex
Just visiting this board, but what's wrong with this label? Numerous non-Western cultures have intersex communities that vary wildly, seems like a great way to simplify the codification of sex/gender/whatever that nonjudgementally acknowledges these differences.
>>6459566
I've always felt like that makes the most sense, OP. Personally, the guy I really like, he's gonna start on hormones soon, he holds the same opinion. It matters a lot to me that people with dysphoria aren't deluding themselves.
>>6459566
Yeah that's chill. It's how I feel too. My impression is that the other side is really just a coping mechanism for a sad reality.
If you go on to pass well you may just want to get the document changes done anyway, out of convenience
>>6459566
I agree with you for the most part, but you may want to reconsider the legal part of it. For some things that counts e.g. if you went to jail/prison (might be unlikely but sometimes things happen, you never know!). If youre legally male you will be sent to a mens one. things like that, just in case.
Or even just things like if youre booking into a hotel and your name is on your credit card you wouldn't pass because of your name and the people seeing your card may be transphobic. Idk it just seems like there are potential risks
>>6459566
>I'm considering continuing my transition but skipping all the legal stuff like name changes and gender markers,
>skipping all the legal stuff
>skipping all the legal stuff
So you are perfectly okay with being sent to a male prison in case you are sentenced to jail?
You didn't think this through, did you you "shemale" dummy?
>>6459566
What is being a man and being a woman to you? Gender is a social construct in the sense of transition. What you're talking about is not believing that you are playing the role of the female in reproduction, which is obvious and no one actually believes that they will.
You're making everything too black and white.
>>6459566
Same OP. I actually feel deceitful and disingenuous by passing so well desu. I wish being a transsexual were mundane, something people wouldn't bat a lash to, but since it is still pretty shocking for most people, I just float through life as female. Plus life forces us through a gender binary (get over it SJW-phobes) so it's just easier for me to have all my paperwork as female.
I feel like if someone doesn't know I'm trans then there is a huge invisible barrier between us. I have a circle of friends who don't know I'm trans, and really all they are are activity partners. We don't have any real talk/closeness.
When I meet new people and they talk to me and about my life as if I were female (and have always been) then my struggle and my life experiences are just brushed aside for someone else's narrative. It doesn't let me be real and true.
I know I'm not female, and I know I didn't grow up being socialized as other females have. Like you said, it's just been a desire I've always had that I eventually grew up and acted on.
>>6459566
i consider myself a transgender woman. i don't like being called male but i don't mind people knowing i'm trans
>>6461854
>>6461844
I'm sure he'll be able to justify going to a female prison if it becomes a real necessity. Going on hormones saps most of your muscle mass and make you look more feminine, it wouldn't be hard to justify by discussing rape statistics (assuming he's not from a 3rd world shithole)
Or you know just.. don't do something that will land him in jail
>>6461982
Why don't you just do things that will make you more clockable. Then it becomes obvious you're a tranny and you can go from there
>>6459610
>See I get the neurological argument but even then, being intersexed doesn't make me female. My chromosomes, skeleton and genitals are male.
Yeah, but presumably the brain is more salient for defining a person than their skeleton. There may not be a scientific argument for calling you completely female, but there is one for calling you more female than male.
Personally I'm a Christian and believe in a soul that's either male or female, so for my purposes, being (neurologically) mostly one sex makes you entirely that sex, at least on the most fundamental level. But I understand the irreligious won't give a shit about that.
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>>6462359
>Personally I'm a Christian and believe in a soul that's either male or female, so for my purposes, being (neurologically) mostly one sex makes you entirely that sex
ayy lmao
You realize that the dimorphism of the brain is affected by hormones right? By your logic males going on HRT literally shift from 'male' soul to a 'female' soul
http://www.pnas.org/content/112/50/15468.abstract
>>6462389
Fedora please. Just because I think the sex of the brain before you deliberately begin dicking with it is a better indicator of a person's God-given sex than genital structure doesn't mean I think manmade alterations are going to throw a monkey wrench in the Divine Plan.
>>6462430
>implying either scientific thought or religious thought is legitimate
both manmade, both circlejerks, just go back to your community. this argument is pointless
>>6459566
>legally changed name to female name
>didn't change gender marker
>don't give a fuck
I'm with you OP, I changed my name for personal preference but there's really no point in changing the little tiny M on my DL. I pass fine to strangers but only .5% of trannies pass even when close to people and I ain't one of them. Believing otherwise is just delusional.
>>6462430
So it's only a male soul if it's 'male' neurology initially?
What if it's straight down the middle of brain dimorphism?
And why wouldn't god decide sex based on genitals, those are the tools of procreation, the brain is hardly relevant
>>6459566
labels become a mess now as i transition.
my body/shell is of a boy/male/man, no doubt about it. so whenever the box for "sex" comes up, i'll check the male one.
my mind fits into the "girl" box better than the "boy", "man", "woman" boxes. i longed to get married and have kids from the female's perspective but i doubt i will ever grow out to become a "woman" since no periods and cannot bear my own child. whenever they ask for gender i'll tick the female side.
this get tricky though when sex and gender get used interchangeably. for most of these forms i'll leave it blank.
by going through this body modification, i become another person fitting into the "transexual" box.
i have no intention to trap/deceive anyone into having sexual/romantic relationship with me so i don't identify as "trap".
i don't think i fit into the "shemale" / "ladyboy" box since i have no intention to put on make up, get breast implants, go through ffs and try to appeal to others that i'm female when i'm not quite that.
there's the "femboy" box that i might fit in right now for my physical aspect but i feel this won't apply to me when SRS is done.
name change is done because i don't like my birth name due to past experience. my preferred name reflects better than my birth name for addressing to my entity spiritually rather than physically. stuff i want to leave in the past will not get updated in name change.
sex marker won't ever be changed on my birth certificate since that's part of my past. current identification documents will probably get changed after SRS though. medical records might stay as my birth sex since that's the reality.
gender marker i don't really care. people just fill in female for me since my preferred name is used for girls.
if there is a "other" box in most forms i will probably check that instead to be honest.
>>6462455
>both manmade, both circlejerks, just go back to your community.
So are your tits but you don't see me complaining.
>>6462604
>What if it's straight down the middle of brain dimorphism?
Who knows? I don't pretend to know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin either. Just because we can't fit everything into a neat little box doesn't mean we should abandon an intuitive and useful framework of thought.
>And why wouldn't god decide sex based on genitals, those are the tools of procreation, the brain is hardly relevant
There's a vast bulwark of gender roles in the Bible that suggest males and females are predisposed to think and behave in certain ways, which has more to do with the brain, although hormones and socialisation can certainly affect that.
>>6462604
>"The brain is hardly relevant"
>literally the most important part of you that actually makes it possible for you to type down that dumb ass comment of yours
LOL
get a loaf of this dumb nigger
>>6462759
I meant the dimorphism of the brain, which is minimal since there is a significant overlap between 'male' and 'female' brains
but yeah I literally just meant ur brain doesn't matter to anything x^P
>>6459566
I don't understand this tought, you aren't the only one here, is it a way to allign with social norms? Or to have an edgy opinion?
>>6459696
Utterly boring and kinda insincere if you look at it from a certain way. No reason you couldn't look girly if you were a boy, or have a feminine body. And the way most women talk is gross.
Boys are nobler creatures than women, you should just stay one.
>>6462923
but I want to be utterly indistinguishable from a woman physically, which doesn't have anything to do with how I act
>>6462962
lmao
>>6459566
>caring about "tricking" people
Yeah naw, outside of medical, romantic or sexual relations it really doesn't matter. Even if it is lying, why should i care? People are shit and when it comes to trans issues, an overwhelming majority of them are shit. Fuck them. I couldn't care less about "lying" about my bio sex on a piece of paper some lowlife at the DMV reads.
>being sad that I was a boy. It was a little depressing to realize I couldn't be a real girl
You should had then accepted yourself and live with dignity.
>>6459566
>Oh look at me
>I'm so damaged and need a hero
>My self-esteem is so low that I consider myself a transsexual :(
Fuck off OP.
>>6462346
You're an idiot.
>>6463488
How so?
That person literally said
>I actually feel deceitful and disingenuous
So why not be honest about who they are? It would be easier to do that if they were visibly trans to a certain degree.
>>6463510
Yep, you are idiot, or just a troll. Either way you're not getting another response from me.
>>6463532
I really hoped I would actually, I thought I could get some worthwhile opinion on why I'm so blatantly wrong
Now I'm gonna chug along thinking I'm correct, but doubting myself ever so slightly...
>>6465333
you definitely pass an an asshole
>>6465343
At least I HAVE an asshole.
>>6459566
i don't even consider myself trans
i'm a real woman :^)
>>6465348
I definitely consider myself trans but only until my transition is complete. After all, "trans" is taken from "transition" which it seems a lot of trans people miss the point of entirely.
>>6459566
Yeah, I don't really make it an argument that i'm a real woman. I'm just presenting myself and changing myself in ways to make me feel more comfortable.
That being said, I don't exactly go around calling myself a tranny either.
>>6462359
>Personally I'm a Christian and believe in a soul that's either male or female
Wut?
I thought Jesus said somethin' about Jew/gentile/ male/female. Forget it. Here's a quote.
"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus"
>>6465359
This. I finished my transition about a year ago. As far as I'm concerned, I'm cis.
>>6465452
Thank you! I don't see what about this is so difficult for people to grasp.
>>6465426
Context mate.
>>6459566
You clearly have no understanding of the terms you're trying to use.
Transsexual specifically refers to transitioning your sexual characteristics to those of the opposite sex, sometimes even limited to those who have undergone surgery.
>>6462389
There are neurological regions that are non-plastic past certain points in development. Hormones guide development but it is not the same thing as neurology being entirely malleable to them otherwise it might be easier to "cure" trannies and gay people.
>>6462904
>dimorphism of the brain, which is minimal since there is a significant overlap between 'male' and 'female' brains
Let me guess; y
You read an article about that one study that looked at a region that was already understood to have overlap and found even more overlap than expected and you bought the catchy news headline that it somehow "disproves brain sex!"?
Protip: that study didn't include the regions associated with the neurological differences observed in trannies.
>>6465333
Oh no, see I'm in the same boat as far as passing goes. I just recognize that imitating something well doesnt make you that thing.
>>6461982
what mango is this?
>>6466162
let me guess, you read the bstc levels study with post-hormones trannies and decided that means the "female brain in a male body" is soo true
