Remember, not all muslims are radical and out to get you /lgbt/
Islamic law says homosexuality must be punished.
Anyways ALL islamic countries punish homosexuality with jail or even death... Islam is homophobic as birds fly.
>>6411745
Nah bit the moderates are okay with the fact that the radicals are out to get us and support them.
>>6411781
The only one that doesn't is Turkey, IIRC.
American Christians would be the exact fucking same as islamic extremists if progression hadn't kicked in. It's funny seeing people down here in the South act like ISIS is just doing truly abhorrent things to the gay community when I've personally listened to people threaten individual or groups of legbutts when they didn't know I was one.
It's day 1276 and they still don't know I'm not one of them
>>6411812
>The only one that doesn't is Turkey
And that's only a matter of time.
Which is ironic considering their history.
We are Muslims
We do not forgive
We do not forget.
Expect us
>>6411812
You're still far from being safe in Turkey. The Turkish government actively supports Islamist militants in Syria that would torture you to death, so how could you feel safe with Turkish officials around?
>>6411820
That's the whole point. Christianity only functions in Western Society because it reformed and adaptive to progressive Western values. Its more extreme elements were revised or made obsolete thanks to later texts; it also helps that much of the Bible is not considered to be the direct word of God. While Christianity is still dominant it is also openly criticized and lampooned and the most retaliation you have to watch out for most of the time is angry letters or people carrying signs with rude messages on them. And even when they turn to violence, they are punished, rather than supported, by the law. Countries in the East that are Christian dominant but haven't gone through a similar process are, unsurprisingly, not unlike Muslim ones when it comes to punishing gayness.
The Quran is the Quran, and its word is often quite literally canonized into law in Muslim-majority countries. If Islam is not held to the same standard in the West, if we are not allowed to harshly criticize the elements of it that are unacceptable in Western society, if Islam is protected and its "moderate by Middle-Eastern standards, extreme by Western standards" majority are shielded from being rebuked, then it will never evolve as Western Christianity has evolved, and will therefor never be cable to coexisting in a society that tolerates homosexuals and gives equal rights to women.
>>6411755
Penguins.
Checkmate homo.
>>6411919
I agree with you on how our society here has allowed change, but everyone keeps complaining that Islam is a cancerous religion to not only its followers but the outer world. So I ask you this:
What would you (figuratively) do in this situation to prevent the loss of lives from an erroneous religion's actions?
>>6411937
Stop muslum immigration until we figure out a way to determine which are crazy.
Also kill ISIS
>>6411955
and cure cancer while we're at it, wow that was fuckin' easy
>>6411937
Simple, kill all non-atheists
>>6411962
You dont know unless you try.
>>6411962
Killing people is something humans perfected long ago. We still don't have an ideal solution to cancer yet.
>>6411919
This. Christianity did pretty much the same kinds of things until the Enlightenment, and even then change has been a gradual process that's still going on today. There's no reason to believe that Islam couldn't be civilized in a similar way. It'd take time, but with an existing society to model itself after, it would be much faster than it happened with Christianity. Apparently, a more modern, liberal version of Islam was actually forming in Iran until the Islamic Revolution in 1979, which suggests that it could happen again.
>>6411745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU
watch all of this.
All muslims are cancer sorry
>>6412103
Probably not. Iran was an example about what will happen if the moderates ever try to modernize Islam. The fundies strike back and we're much worse than where we began.
The middle east needs to be ruled by a strong socialist leadership that will impose a secular government and remove all western backed radical muslim terrorist groups along with Israel in the process. That is the only way to cure this world of radical Islam. To save the west, the west must be overthrown in that region of the world.
>>6412120
Muzzis would be perfect bears. fucking unfair bs that they have to be backwards fundamentalists .
>>6412181
If you like that phenotype, go to Israel. Mizrahim are the same as Arabs genetically, and they aren't burkadurkas.
>>6411937
Islamic cultures will need to put down the koran then. The west is now secular first and christian second.
>>6412130
>Iran was an example about what will happen if the moderates ever try to modernize Islam.
Let's not call them moderates. Most moderates seem to be content with Islam as it currently stands. Muslim progressives would be more accurate, as they are in a distinct minority.
>>6411812
>>6411828
You get beaten to death in a lot of parts regardless and the police would look away and not consider you.
>>6411856
You don't :D
>>6411904
No really it wasn't. Russia and China are still miles better. Local Chinese wouldn't attempt murder because you're gay. Though Russia is pretty horrid, but Russia is a third world country outside of Moscow.
>>6412181
They are unattractive and often smell like a hooboo or a douchebag with way too much deodorant. That smell is 3 meters around them or so. Americans sometimes complain about this occuring with blacks a lot as well, but Arabs are worse in this regard from my experiences. Though people from India smell the worst out of everybody based on my experience.
>>6412301
Isn't the Muslim progressiveness basically borderline atheism? Problems in Islam are legion and I have a hard time believing that those problems can be solved with liberal interpretation of Koran.
I read in article about a lesbian Muslim girl who outright said that she doesn't read the lines in Koran that argue against homosexuality. Good for her, but what's the point of having a cherry picked religion? If one forgoes the basic tenets of a religion it becomes mysticism.
>>6411745
>current year still believing in skygod instead of science and logic
>current year not institutionalizing anyone who believes in invisible sky people or lynching them in the street
>current year allowing the delicate existence of the entire human race to be threatened by lunacy
>not uniting as a species and performing genocide on anyone who is a threat to the human race's existence in the universe
>>6411937
Be more like Japan. Take in very minimal Mudrats, keep a fucking close eye on them, deny them any special privileges, demand that they assimilate and respect your laws and cultures or kick them the fuck out.
>>6412308
>You get beaten to death in a lot of parts regardless and the police would look away and not consider you
Sounds a lot like Russia, to be honest. And from what I heard, most of China isn't better.
>Russia is a third world country
And Turkey somehow isn't?
>>6412373
Pretty much. Same as Christian progressiveness is borderline atheism.
Progressives might believe in God, but they don't take dogmas seriously.
>>6412554
Or like Switzerland.
>>6411820
>>6411919
>>6412103
>>6412616
The problem with the assertion that Christianity is as bad as Islam isn't based on logic. Mosaic Law hasn't been a thing for Christians since the Bible itself was written. And it is essentially impossible to find New Testament verses inciting violence.
The fundamental error you are making is that Judeo-Christian HISTORY—which is violent—is being conflated with Islamic THEOLOGY—which commands violence. All the historic violence committed by the Hebrews and recorded in the Old Testament is just that—history. It happened; God commanded it. But it revolved around a specific time and place and was directed against a specific people. At no time did such violence go on to become standardized or codified into a Christian Law - as it is in Islamic Law.
This is where Islamic violence is unique. Though similar to the violence of the Old Testament—commanded by God and manifested in history—certain aspects of Islamic violence and intolerance have become standardized in Islamic law and apply at all times. Thus, while the violence found in the Qur'an has a historical context, its ultimate significance is theological.
Islam's learned officials, sheikhs, muftis, and imams throughout the ages have all reached consensus—binding on the entire Muslim community—that Islam is to be at perpetual war with the non-Muslim world until Islam reigns supreme. The other religious groups do not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense [i.e The Crusades]. But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations.
>>6412373
That's the ideal state of all religions.
