>tfw you will never be able to pass without ffs
>look up before and after pictures for ffs
>almost all of them look like joan rivers
I get that you guys are all about empowerment but can we stop pretending that people like pic related look good?
>>6387506
But many of them look good. Even Gigi looks good.
>>6387506
This scares me too, desu. Honestly, I wish we could have the option of being euthanized. Fuck.
>>6387905
Bullshit. She looks plastic af. No normal person looks like that.
>>6387905
You should see her shoulders m8
>>6388285
I'm not sure if trans people are just more likely to go overboard with procedures or if some people just get good surgeons.
>>6387506
I don't think she went to a FFS surgeon, just basic plastic surgery.
>>6388297
most people just settle for bad surgeons like dr z
>>6387915
I think she kind of purposefully went for the bimbo look since that basically matches her personality
>>6388388
Then who's a good surgeon?
>>6388285
who'd they go to???
>>6388318
She went to arguably the most well known FFS surgeon in the US, pretty sure in Massachusetts. She's on the website.
>>6389140
Spiegel?
I don't see her on the website.
>>6389166
WELL HERE'S A FUCKING INTERVIEW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsg_nBFjp_w
>>6389166
Literally on the before and after page.
>>6389181
it's okay i wanna know who did her too
>>6389119
bart iirc
>>6389172
Did she have more procedures later or what?
>>6387905
>"Gigi looks good" really
That unpassable plastic slut looks fucking horrid.
>>6389186
thank you senpai!
>>6387970
>>6389195
Should've been a linebacker.
>>6389195
This one hurts
>>6389201
Fucking oath she should have.
>>6388821
facial team is ok but you can see from there pics that jaws and chin are there weak point, apparently des champs never seen a pic though but he charges alot, some anon got a really good result from chettawut but thats just 1 case, spiegel is good if you just need light work otherwise he is bad, idk much about other surgeons but I would stay away from Z and that surgeon in mexico reddit keeps shilling
>>6389188
Nothing wrong with her in this; she fills out her costume rather nicely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwv7fHH3gzs
>>6389260
>tfw no big army man to hold me
>>6389260
She looks so fake and so dumb.
Sure she passes, but it doesn't look right at all.
>>6389260
Nothing but flattering camera angles an good lighting.
This is what "she" looks like in her natural environment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TUSbVCYhpk
>>6389297
>there are paparazzi for e-celebs now
What a brave new world we live in.
>>6389288
You're right about her looking fake and dumb but wrong about her passing.
As seen in the video above she got clocked by some black guy.
>>6387506
Get off 4chan fag
>>6389279
The dude was bi I believe and pretty effeminate from what people have said, plus he broke up with her because he admitted he didn't like trannies
>>6388388
Z. Cardenas. Randos in their home cities. People settle. Frankly facial team is very good either
>>6389242
Yes preach. Also. I will drop some knowledge on yall. DiMaggio in Argentina is better than all the surgeons in Europe and easily top 3 in the world. His foreheads are beautiful and hes a trained craniofacial surgeon.
>>6391165
Isn't*
>>6389195
>those shoulders
>male power stance
Holy shit I kek for days every time I see this pic.
>>6391165
>MFW im going to go to Cárdenas .
It is muh destiny.
>>6388285
holy fuck the transformation. She looks super cute.
>>6389195
this picture. god damn. Twice the fucking size of those other women
>>6389186
Bart as in Bart van de Ven?
>>6388285
Hello, are there some FFS galleries or timeline repos I can look at?
>>6389242
I went to chettawut and am fairly happy.
His screw up results come from being too aggressive with the chin and jaw, so I probably wouldn't recommend him for that, but there was one girl who had a great jaw result from him in the hotel, so dunno.
He does nice aesthetic nose jobs if you don't have a deviated septum.
He seems pretty ethical too, I asked about a nose job in the consult and he reused and said I didn't need it, so he doesn't try to upsell you on surgeries.
Id recommend him to any Australians who want a nearby FFS option for nose and forehead, desu.
>>6388285
im 90% this was just a ugly girl that got surgery, but maybe not
Lol all the posters saying she's ugly are posting pictures of her before she got her hairline lowered and chin shaved.
Sometimes plastic surgery works and sometimes it doesn't. And if you think Gigi is ugly then what the fuck you think about 90% of the female population who aren't fucking super models??
>>6395731
i used 2 have a old pic of her getting hormones in mail
>>6395785
She got an adams apple in the first pic.
>>6391884
yeah
>>6395731
they use to post as brad in mtfg
so u rather have this than her...... 4chan never change.
im willing to bet 1000 USD that this thread was made by an impassable AGP transbian
>>6395775
she does look better. Spiegel really isn't that good if you don't already pass
>>6395775
I'm not saying she's ugly I'm saying she doesn't look natural.
does anyone know if the guy Ousterhout mentored is any good? or even some results?
>>6395900
hey, she has CHARACTER
So Dr Bart is generally regarded as a good surgeon yeah? I'm not sure about his noses though.
>>6397045
He does good jaw and chin work but his noses kinda suck
>>6388285
London
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>>6393839
She also went to bart. He has some spectacular results.
Looking at these photos is pretty sad. Literally all of them looked better before the surgery, with the exception of >>6388285. I feel really bad for whomever decided to go through with this.
>>6399832
they got turned into women
>>6389297
He looks like a bimbo version of Frankenstein.
Anyone know who the best surgeons are for aggressive chin/jaw work? I need, like, the entire outer corners removed and the joints reconstructed 'cause my jaw's so bucket-shaped. also need a full inch off my chin length almost. thinking of Bart atm 'cause he's a former orthodontist?
>>6400095
Bart is ok at jaws I think. Id definitely go to him over facial team for mandible work. You also need type 3 forhead though robin. Your case is quite complicated.
>>6397151
Ya his noses are not great. Makes sense because he was never formerly trained as a otolaryngology (head neck guys, most of their work ends up being nose jobs ). He's not trained plastic surgeon.
I think he had fairly good anesthetic vision and understanding though in general. His patients usually have good improvement but he's definitely lacking in some ways. His foreheads are not aggressive.
>>6396363
Hes pretty good. Saw some before and afters in person. Hes a nice smart guy. Made me feel good and optimistic but stayed realistic and detail oriented. Definitely a dedicated guy.
>>6396363
yes! Dr D-B is very capable, probably the best for Type 3 forehead
>>6400285
He's not very good with forehead either, his strength is really jaw+chin
>>6400271
>Your case is quite complicated.
kek that's ONE way of putting it
>>6400292
I'm interested in him too any idea if he will do a revision on someone who had ffs with another surgeon long ago
>>6402054
I dont see why not. He's done revisions before. He showed me one.
>>6387506
>makes a thread about a pic related
>ze's pic related is a pic related for ants
Why do we allow this?
>>6387506
It's not about whether they look good in comparison to the rest of society.
It's about whether or not they look good in comparison to their old self.
For many people with gender dysphoria looking like an old hag who had too much plastic surgery is still ten times better than looking like a man.
>>6403107
Troll. It's brad. That's it. Same person
>>6387910
As someone who hates trannies I wish euthanasia and abortion of you guys was required by law.
>>6403126
>Murder people I don't like!
>>6403126
I mean, they can't really reproduce since most mtfs are into men, lol.
Also hormones fucks with that too.
>>6389177
dat mpb
>>6387506
Wow he really fucked himself up. Him being just a Crossdresser was hot and now he ruined it, like what most trannies do to themselves.
>Its who I am!
A gross plastic fake titted whore pumped full of hormones you don't have and can never produce yet somehow it's natural and makes it "the true you?"
>>6395775
I think of them as actual females and not men with an illness. Also, a normal person would take an average girl than a plastic fuck tube. Keep that in mind trannies; less fake the better meaning if you require surgery if needed or not it's pretty fucking gross
>>6403407
Yeah. It seems like a lot of people become so obsessed with looking like the perfect woman that they forget to realize that nature has imperfections.
>>6403398
>and can never produce yet
Why do you gays care about reproducing, most of you never will but constantly love to bring it when shit talking trans people.
>>6404976
except this time it's about producing estrogen and not babies
>>6405127
oh im dumb, i didn't read it properly lol.
>>6404903
Thats not what he's saying at all. He's saying all trans are gross and superficial and will never look "natural" like the ugly cis women he dates
>>6403398
>Him being just a Crossdresser was hot and now he ruined it
People don't exist for your consumption or enjoyment.
>>6406222
Yes. Its not true. But I'm saying that's what that fag believes. Some trannies are super ugly and impassable men. Some are cute girls with unique looking faces. Some are average and have masculinities that girls don't but still pass and just because they don't look 100% "natural" doesn't mean they should get hate and attacked emotionally. Lots of super ugly girls look extremely feminine. "Natural femininity" often means ugly butter faces. We are all unique people.
