Why do feminists try to tell me this is rooted in misogyny? This man does not see me as a woman. He sees me as a man. A predatory, perverted man. He doesn't seem like a misogynist either considering how highly he places a woman's safety.
Why do feminists try to re-center the discussion of transphobia onto cis women and the issues they face? They aren't the same. Our issues are unique to theirs with some intersection. And why do feminists vehemently deny that misandry exists and has systemic consequences in our society? If they really want to help trans people they need to acknowledge it as a real thing that affects trans women.
>>6333566
feminists have this mysterious ability to make things about them when it isnt
noone care what you think leave
>>6333580
Why so hostile? This is a lgbt board and I'm asking legitimate questions.
Honestly the whole bathroom thing seems absurd to me. Why not use individual stalls? Why put naked, vulnerable people together at all? The majority of sexual offenders are male but women still offend at significantly lower numbers. Isolation seems like the optimal solution.
>>6333646
Unisex bathrooms with fully enclosed and locking stalls are the best option. They're safer, and cheaper than segregated restrooms.
>>6333681
So we have to cater to the lowest common denominator? Everyone must suffer (longer queues to public bathrooms) because a tiny minority is causing so much butthurt?
>>6333738
Queues wouldn't be longer if you didn't separate bathrooms by genders. Everyone would benefit because this would protect them even from same-sex offenders.
>>6333566
>implying all feminists want you in their movement or care about you
A lot of modern feminists are narcissists and want their fingers in everybody's pies, which is why they make everything, like this, about women. Like overprotective dad here is really a misogynist who fundamentally wants to control women on a very basic level - including who is considered a woman in the first place.
Like, you can't even blame this on feminists because it's trans women who first made that argument, and feminists now use it as well.
I hope this answers your question, op. Trans women are the ones that started this.
>>6333566
That's a dude who doesn't mention feminism at all. He's just bigoted towards trans people. Maybe he would call himself a feminist, but that would be beside the point.
>>6333766
>Trans women are the ones that started this.
How?
>>6333566
Because feminism is cancer
>>6334035
I explained it already. They say men want to control who is considered a woman, one way by policing bathrooms.
>>6334035
Whipping Girl
>>6333566
Here's the thing, besides the part where it's an overprotective dad, which in itself is kind of a common mysogynistic thing (and sad in a tragic way because they're more likely to abuse their kids than random strangers), most transphobia builds on the idea that you have to be inferior to "want to be" a woman.
>>6334108
Well they have to go to the bathroom somewhere. They didn't start the shitfest of people getting uppity about which bathrooms they can or can't use.
Also it's not just men doing the complaining. Women are doing a lot of that as well.
Maybe it's just me but if I were a woman I'd be more uncomfortable with someone looking like Buck Angel coming into the washroom than a mft.
>>6334134
>Women are doing a lot of that as well.
It's mostly men. The laws are pushed by men. Most of the "citizens' arrest" bullshit done against women is done by men and the few women who did it are definitely not the kind of women who'd ever be caught dead at a feminist rally.
On the other hand, trans women have Gloria Steinem, Judith Butler and other prominent feminists on their side.
Also the focus on trans women has always been cultural voyeurism; trans men don't shock because a society that sees masculinity as inherently better will obviously see this as natural. Not to say trans men don't go through a ton of shit, but on a purely media level, their conspicuous erasure isn't something that come from mtfs, it comes from a lack of interest in something that's not seen as equally shocking as "becoming the inferior".
>>6334234
>We're all part of the problem
>NO IT'S JUST MEN
People like you are the reason I don't call myself a feminist anymore. You're being just as sexist as the sexism you say you're fighting against.
>>6334264
Did you actually read past the second sentence, you fucking illiterate tard, or did you merely kneejerk the instant you got triggered?
>>6334269
I read the first "paragraph" and wasn't interested in anything else you had to say. But just now I went back and did read it completely and wish I hadn't wasted my time. You're a bigot.
>>6334319
You clearly didn't finish the first paragraph.
>>6334234
Feminism is anti-trans. Just because a few feminists support trans women doesn't save trans women from feminisms toxic anti-trans, anti-male core.
The majority of the bathroom issues are with WOMEN. Women do not want trans people in the bathroom. Women are the ones complaining. But women do not do their own dirty work, so they enlist men to stop the trans people from hurting the poor women.
Trans women are hated because men are hated. Men are not allowed to express themselves in any way that is not male because men are tools who's bodies are used for the benefit of women and children. If a tool is not able to do its job it is thrown out. Trans women do not benefit women and children so they are thrown out.
>>6334440
>a few feminists
You're dumb, clueless, and ahistorical, Please consider hitting yourself with a book, because clearly reading isn't going to help your comprehension.
>>6334440
>Trans women are hated because men are hated. Men are not allowed to express themselves in any way that is not male because men are tools who's bodies are used for the benefit of women and children.
So much this.
>>6334458
>So much this.
So much not actually this.
The policing on men is done by men. It reinforces masculinity
Women had to fight for the right to vote, not men. Working class men, yes, but the people at the top were almost invariably men.
The MRA version of history is literally a fantasy.
>>6334134
Women that support these bills either don't know about ftms, ignore them, or know ftms can't get them pregnant if they get raped by them. Ftms are not really seen as a threat.
Women, for many reasons, do not want trans women in their bathrooms.
>>6334440
I think that there are a lot of people of every gender who oppose transsexuals and that singling out feminists is dishonest. There are feminists who are pro-trans and there are "feminists" who are just conservatives in disguise.
>>6334468
>The policing on men is done by men.
It's also done by women. I get to hear every day from women about what pigs men are and how much they hate women and what a problem that is. Meanwhile I am called both privileged and a pig and if I try to speak about the things in my life I find hard I'm told it's my fragile male ego and to shut my mouth.
Sorry, but I was raised from birth by a feminist to be a feminist. I lived my life under people putting me down and then telling me it was my fault. Your sexist bigotry doesn't fool me anymore. Go fuck yourself and cry to someone else about your problems because I don't care anymore.
>>6334472
But they think a ftm is just putting on a dress as an excuse to get inside a woman's bathroom for an opportunity at rape.
Again, this is pure misandry. Men, even men who have changed their lives to transition into women are assumed to be perverts and rapists. That's just seen as a given.
This whole toilet issue is pretty retarded. if you have a cock, piss in the men's. if you don't, piss in the women's. Whatever you call yourself doesn't really apply unless you're looking to use the toilet for hookups.
>>6334502
Just to be clear, you're advocating that this person and people who look like him should be going into and out of women's bathrooms.
>>6334502
>implying genitals matter
>implying there's ever been legislation about US restrooms before the current decade
>>6334496
Some mtfs do not transition beyond changing their pronouns.
>>6334527
And that matters why? You're upset that the mtf using the toilet beside you isn't fem enough? That's your problem.
>>6333566
closet incestuous pedophile detected
>>6334539
Anon said "But they think a ftm is just putting on a dress" but I assume they meant mtf. So I was pointing some mtfs don't even put on the dress.
>>6334590
That was me and yeah I made the mistake, I meant mtf. But I still don't think a mtf should be anymore required to wear a dress using the bathroom they identify with than a cis woman should wear one. Gender isn't about clothing.
>>6334610
Do you think they need to medically transition?
>>6334662
Maybe. Maybe not necessarily be on hormones but I would be okay with some sort of check or balance. Using the bathroom of the gender you identify with once you're officially undergoing some sort of transition.
I mean I get it's a sticky situation and no one wants the nightmare scenario of someone using a dress just as a way to infiltrate a bathroom. That should be avoided, but I don't think it should be the focus. The focus should be making trans people comfortable to be able to use washrooms like everyone else.
>>6334590
>putting on a dress
male to tomboy is best
>>6334502
This. The lady toilets are for FEMALES ONLY if you don't have a vagina, you simply can't pee and shit in them. It's physically impossible! Use the toilet your chromosomes assigned to you.
>>6333566
>Why do feminists try to tell me this is rooted in misogyny?
To give some false credit to their movement so they can keep it from dying a few more years.
>why do feminists vehemently deny that misandry exists and has systemic consequences in our society?
A get out of jail free card. If your enemy is the epitome of the privileged oppressor you don't have to worry about the moral implications of demonising 50% of the population.
>>6333566
Ugly/butch cis women have more to fear from nutjobs like this since bigots keep mistaking them for trannies.
>I identify as a over protective father that loves his kids and would do anything to protect them
LOL
I'm sure he'll be real protective and influential on his daughter's life from prison for assaulting strangers, probably even get a shout-out in her first porn.
>>6333746
BUT MUH FEELS ABOUT LE DEGENERATES!!!!!1!1!!!!!!
>>6334513
So no matter what, we'll need genital checkers for every bathroom.
It'll most likely be an expansion of the tsa since they have experience and are already used for things like big political events, so expect an experience like trying to get on a plane every time you want to use the bathroom.
On the upside, the logistics to make it happen could put a big dent in unemployment!
>Be man, go to doctor tell him I'm not happy with my body I believe I should look the like the Rock that's who I am inside, want testosterone so I can get huge.
I'm told I have body dysmorphia and sent to a therapist who will try to get me to accept my body as it is.
>Be girl, tell doctor I'm unhappy with my body, want to look like the rock.
Doctor Gives me Testosterone.
>Be man, go to doctor tell him I'm not happy with my body, I'm a girl inside.
They do irreparable damage and take away my ability to ever have children. Insurance pays for it.
>>6335199
I literally cant even tell if this is satire anymore. People are actually stupid enough to believe this.
>>6336048
>all mental and neurological conditions should have the exact same treatment!
>>6336101
The same neurological condition should have the same treatment.
If one person get free insurance covered roids so should I.
>>6336125
Is it the same neurological condition?
Do you have any neurological research showing differences like they've found for at least some trannies?
Are there inter-the-rock people like there are intersex people?
>>6333566
1. It's Misandry when someone gives a born Male a gender role. They are limiting who you are based on some stereotype they are shoving down your throat.
2. Tracy Murphree is a terrified asshole.
Most Men don't even sexually offend. And if they did, handle it on an individual basis.
3. The future is getting better, so don't worry to much. You're awesome OP. Tell anyone who gives you gender roles to fuck off.
>>6336169
Desire a body that doesn't match how you were born.
That is what body dysmorphia is.
>Person with two legs believes they should have been born in a wheel chair.
Doctor won't lop off a working leg, do no harm.
>Person with a weiner feels they should have been born without.
Lop that bad boy off and give him estrogen.
For the record I think a person should be able to do whatever they want with their own body, I'm just trying to point out this double standard in med treatment.
>>6336208
That doesn't mean it's the same neurological condition, you need to do actual empirical neurological research to show it, you're just guessing based on armchair psychology.
If it were the same it wouldn't be terribly difficult to identify the same neurological structures.
>>6336276
but doctors don't take brain scans of every person they transition before they offer to do it.
They use the same armchair psych I just used.
>>6336312
They don't scan every person because some of the structures can only be observed with dissection and the diagnostic procedures are reliable enough to not justify the cost of attempts at scans, but the structures HAVE been observed and unless you have a link to some research I'm unaware of then no such structures have been identified for people with BDD.
Further, transition is extremely statistically successful at bringing risk-rates and mortality for trannies within the rate of the general population whereas treating BDD with surgery/steroids instead of therapy only leads to further desire for change like anorexics and bulimics because a distorted view of oneself is a key feature of the disorder.
I mean you can rant and rave say the medical establishment should base all treatment on what you feel is right instead of actual statistics but no one will listen without supporting research.
>>6336433
Pretty good point that.
I'm thinking BDD needs a bit more research.
>>6336454
Oh they both definitely do.
So far we've only observed a physical difference in trannies but still barely understand the underlying mechanisms.
Interestingly we've observed similar though less extensive differences in gay people.
>>6336312
I don't think you understand either the meaning of the word armchair or what therapists do with trans people.
>>6333615
>Why so hostile?
>This is a lgbt board
answered your own question desu famallama,
>>6336023
I look forward to getting a job as a genital checker so I can spend all day judging people on their junk! This whole mess will finally get me my dream job!
I don't understand why this is such a bid deal. Unisex bathrooms are already a thing and they're not hotbeds of rape. The only really annoying thing about them is that guys white knight the girls and let them go ahead of the queue.
>>6339035
Rape culture.
Women have been raised to be terrified that men are lurking in every nook and cranny just itching to get their rape on.
So even though someone feels so feminine that they change their whole lives to present as female and have the confidence to actually use the bathroom of the gender they feel they are... women are still convinced that it's all just a ploy to infiltrate their sacred space and rape them.
And they don't care what other person feels because they will always see them a man.
>>6333566
He considers women property that needs to be protected from potential defiling by anything with a certain set of genitals.
>>6339107
Wanting to protect your daughter from harm is now considering women in general property. What the fuck has the world come to?
