do you trannies think there is some age cut off when it is stupid to "Come out as trans" or such? I find it really hard to believe someone can live for 30 years and then be like "Oh by the way I am a guy/girl" Basically I think you're all pretty much living out a fantasy, but I still wanted to get your opinion if age invalidates the "genuine" feel you get in the tranny community.
>>6323383
i'd have to say 20, not even memeing
40. If they can live 40 years of their lives without transitioning and not kill themselves, they're not trans.
>>6323383
I'm not sure at what age I can say there's a hard cutoff, but 45 is deep in to the "Really?" zone. But I think we should be careful to note the difference between somene who hasn't touched trans shit their whole lives up until they came out and someone who made an attempt earlier on and had to stop. An example is a person that comes to the board sometimes, they were beat up and put in a psychiatric ward after being out in public dressed as a woman when they were young. Now they're middle aged and only just now picking up where they left off.
I saw an Asian lady come out in her 90s and she looked kawaii enough (for a nonagenarian). Staying in the closet that long just means you don't know how shitty your life really is.
>>6323477
Story?
>>6323481
I'm trying to google it, hold on.
>>6323483
>>6323481
Ok, 84.
18. All those 20 something "trannies" only came out because they discovered 4chan and fapped too much to shemale porn.
>>6323516
>mfw even an old Asian hon looks passable compared to white hons
>>6323516
>tfw when an 80 year old asian man passes better than you do
not age, puberty. if you haven't come out or killed yourself by the time the very first changes occur it's highly suspect
>>6323516
I wouldn't mind AT ALL looking like that when growing old ·////·
>>6323383
I wouldn't set an age, but personally I think if dysphoria starts for you after puberty ends, then you're not trans.
>>6323701
What if a person wasn't hit hard by puberty and disassociated like a champ until their 20s?
Or maybe we can let people control their own lives?
Yes, transitioners over 30 don't represent the community well but honestly that's just the media exploiting the fact that old people being trannies just happens to be more shocking.
>>6323747
So... If someone's dysphoria starts at 15 or older, or they just notice it then, they're suddenly not truly trans and should instead suffer for 75 more years because they're "not trans"?
>>6323750
there will always be changes, and the social dysphoria should also become unbearable
>>6323383
If you're over 25, you're not trans, you're just having an ontological crisis and looking for an easy answer. Protip: there is no answer.
>>6323516
>84
is that a wig or her real hair?
also why black hair when the rest of the grannies her age are all having white hair?
>>6323477
Reminds me of that story of a woman who transitioned when she was like 40 or 50, but this was in the 1970s. She was passable enough to meet a straight guy at a bar, married him (or lived together?) and was still living as a woman into her 90s.
>>6323918
Found it. http://www.refinery29.com/2016/05/109265/transgender-ww2-veteran-robina-asti-interview
Too bad she didn't kill herself at age 25, though, right?
>>6323383
You prissy bitch who just lets out every thought or feeling you have. You've obviously never had to keep something inside yourself for years and years because external factors force you to. Sometimes people can value certain things more than have their true identity out in the open. I'd expect dumbass opinions like this from people in countries and situations where coming out as trans is incredibly easy and tolerated
>>6323957
i think that he meant when they "discovered" that they were trans, as opposed to when they literally came out as trans and started transitioning.
>>6323526
>mfw stopped watching porn and my powers are returning
>>6323383
tbf its more common for FTMs to hold it in longer cause they can just be butch dykes and sorta pretend for a very long time
>>6323885
>also why black hair when the rest of the grannies her age are all having white hair?
my chinese grandma and all her friends dye their hair, im pretty sure white people do this too. Most old people don't have white hair these days
>>6323821
Puberty ends at like early 20's for guys, late teens for girls anon
>>6323701
I spent my teenage years in a dissociative haze trying desperately to not disappoint my family
Didn't work
>>6324006
>late teens for girls
yes that totally explains why I had even more irreversible breast growth at 23
>>6324034
things happen after puberty too, male chest hair growth for example can happen in the 30's
>>6323383
>Physical Transition
i don't think there is an age limit. I think its possible to repress or make excuses for a very long time, depending on how close to the gender you're transitioning to you already look.
some people are also dependent on their parents for longer than other people, who might not allow you to transition under their roof or whatever.
>coming out/realizing your trans
i would say 4 or 5
but i'll give you up to a year after the onset of puberty
>>6323840
>started at 24.8
Phew!
>>6324011
you should probably look into this dissociation as an alternative because "discovering" you were trans so late is a serious red flag
>>6323383
If you didn't get it right in the womb you're not even trying.
>>6324111
I realized at the ages 15-16. Does that mean I'm not trans.
you people are irredeemably retarded
When you realised? I had suspicions pre puberty but once puberty hit I knew ffor sure. However I still didn't do shit about it until 28 because muh repression. I honestly thought I could fix myself though sheer will.
Now I have so many regrets about not starting sooner but oh well.
>>6323383
It's too late for you after you die, although even then it's not too late to shed light on the internal conflicts that permeated your life.
Sooner is better, all else being equal, but all else isn't always equal, is it?
I believe we're all dispelling a fantasy, but that each of us can only do so in our own time and in our own way.
Depends, for people now i would say 40 is a cut off depending on the person and how they lived before, as for any young adult now, they can go fuck themselves and basically shouldnt go past 20-25
Coming out and realizing are 2 different things. I always kinda knew, but I could brush it off and keep over working myself until I was 24
>>6324670
Where is the line for "how they lived before" though? Someone coming out at 40 and then claiming they knew the whole time but just didn't understand it/didn't know what transgender or transition was? Or thought their desire to be a woman was a sexual thing and repressed it for decades? Or they refused to accept it and went the hypermasculine to try and drown out the feelings but it still ate at them the whole time.
It's like asking what level of dysphoria is "trans enough" or what level of repression is allowed to be considered trans. Who's to say that 40 year old didn't have dysphoria as intense as some 14 year old transitioner but was just better at repressing the feelings while the 14 year old grew up in an environment that didn't shame them for their feelings?
>All this entitlement
lmao
>>6324798
How do you mean?
>>6324217
yes
>>6324152
I never "discovered" being transsexual, it just took me 18 years to accept it
>>6323383
How do femboys fit into this. They're on MtF regimens while young and stuff but deny being trans and could probably stay like that for a long time.
What does it count as if they finally give in on the not trans bit after being on HRT for years on end.
>tfw figured out transness freshmen year of HS
>tfw didnt transition until 23, right at the cutoff point for TruTrans
>tfw forever a "maybe"
>tfw my entire life will be trying to prove something to myself that i should already know for certain
>>6324011
Are you me?
I had fantasies as a five year old of having my brain translated into the body of the opposite sex. At various points in elementary school people spread rumors that I was the opposite sex or intersex, and it gave me heart. I was in serious denial of puberty until it was upon me. I loathed my genitals and development of my secondary sex characteristics. I hated being in single gender spaces because it reinforced my discomfort with my being in that physical category. I avoided public washrooms and never stopped think about why. I felt betrayed by my own biology on every front. I tried various levels of embodying and rejecting gender roles, thinking it might help; regardless of how I tried to express myself, I never felt right.
It still took me until 18 to realize I was trans and 22 to physically transition. It's been nine years and as much as I wish I had known sooner, I feel no less real for having come out later. Trying to transition at a younger age would never have amounted to anything, anyway; back then they didn't use puberty blockers here, hormones were 19+ only, and surgery was performed, at best, across the country and was uncovered by even comprehensive health plans. Maybe I would have been more well adjusted if i had socially transitioned, but the brunt of the matter is that I would still have had to endure several years of the wrong puberty and face intense ostracism from a community that saw trans people as essentially subhuman.
>>6325628
similar story here, repressed hard and hated myself. not all areas are welcoming for transitioning. especially in that age.
started shortly before I got 20 (after I finished education) since I didn't have pressure anymore and could do what I wanted
>>6325474
I started hormones within 6 months of deciding I should transition. What the hell were you doing ?
>>6326981
Not everyone has the same circumstances as you, sweetheart.
>>6323383
It's correlated to a scale of maturity, not just a cut off age.
It's an escapist fantasy from adult responsibility. Think about older transitioners convincing themselves they need to change, because they still haven't learned to cope with being a grown up.
It's especially immature when there's no chance they'll ever have meaningful interaction with society again, since they won't pass.
>>6326981
Not the person you were replying to but, ha, I started within three months of making the decision. You're light years from defeating me, anon.
>all these insecure trannies using the age they came out at as the cutoff
The real cutoff is birth
>>6327074
>>6326981
>>6325474
>MFW BPD Femgen faggot
>MFW started hrt years ago after Ex tried to convince I was trans
>but keep waffling on wether or not trans and refuse to go mtf
That's years before I'll sort everything out (if ever). Obviously you all need to get on my level.
All trannies start crossdressing very young and usually get the fantasy in their head during their childhood or teens.
When they actually act upon it is related to whenever they happen to discover what the process is, and also usually relates to some low point in their life. Like they have to hit some vulnerable point before deciding "yeah I'm gonna throw away my life to chase this fantasy".
For normies they might attract a mate and have a decade or two of relatively nice romantic family life before hitting that emotionally vulnerable point. For autistic internet kiddos of the 80s-90s-00s it happens earlier because their lives are already unfulfilling and they spend a bunch of time ruminating in front of a monitor.
>>6325527
Did you spend most of elementary school with dicks in your ass?
>>6327179
I never had an opportunity to crossdress as a child
My parents were too watchful and concerned with propriety
None. Denial is a real and powerful thing.
>>6327304
No, but I spent all of my teens longing for a dick to put up dudes' asses.
>>6323458
Happened to me. 39 second time around
>>6323383
15. That's when all the freaks and geeks come out.
>>6325474
>Hide it till 23
Nope, for truly trans people, there's no hiding.
>>6328050
It was pretty obvious for me if you knew what you were looking for, when I came out my mom admitted they always suspected I was gay "or something."
But I believe I definitely could have repressed until I was 23 or even later if I hadn't met my partner who was the first person who really made me feel like it was ok to be me. Well either that or I would have never had the confidence and just killed myself sometimes before I hit 30.
https://www.reddit.com/r/transtimelines/comments/3kd4w4/34_mtf_12_months_hrt/
>>6323516
She passes as an ugly 60
>>6323383
"Don't come out because you'll hurt the community"/"You can't have stayed closeted this long, you must be AGP" are bullshit sentiments that projecting trans women use because seeing hons makes them feel insecure
You do get nutters like Stefonknee and Chris-chan, but just because someone didn't kill themselves and tried to live as a man doesn't mean they're not trans just because they finally come out when they're 50
Notice you never get this sort of policing with FTMs
>>6330133
>Notice you never get this sort of policing with FTMs
To be fair up until recently FtMs were rarely ever talked about and most just assume they're mega butch dykes because most didn't know FtMs exist
>>6330133
You dont get that kind of policing of FTMs, because no ome gives a fuck if a girl wants to transition to a guy.
Men have some of the most strict and vicious social gender roles of the two. Any time a transwoman comes out, everyone sees it as them "being a sissyboy/faggot/etc" and they get crucified in the media and society in general. So those transwomen are CONSTANTLY forced to prove and validate their existence to everyone around them as well as to themselves.
If a transman comes out, more often than not, its followed by "eh, okay bro". No one gives a shit.
>>6327973
Well congratulations, you're not me
>>6327179
dam son
that's some real shit
I didn't know trans existed until I was 23. No internet, lived in a small church town in Oregon. Family switched off the television if it mentioned anything queer. Had a language barrier with a lot of people at school who might've known. Heard about it when I got to college and instantly started to connect the dots. Honestly I'm still trying hormones because I was called Brianna by people in elementary school when they were being mean so I might pass?
>>6323383
Anything beyond late teens otherwise it looks hilariously suspicious
>>6328050
Fuck you.
Truly trans people?
Ha. Okay, faggot.
Came out at 31.
Didn't know I was trans because I was a pro at denial.
"Man up" pretty much sums up everything.
In hindsight, I had signs all throughout childhood, but nothing that would have set off an alarm for anyone. I just knew that my feels shouldn't be talked about.
Every time I looked up why I felt the way I did, I would see all porn or hons. I didn't know transition with HRT was a thing.
>>6332834
I pity the person who felt the need to make this chart.
>>6332873
It looks pretty good to me senpai.
>>6332878
So you're the one I'm pitying then.
You guys think you know failure? You guys think you know ruined dreams
I came out to my parents at twelve fucking years and they offered to let me start hormone therapy right then and there.
I said no and ended up waiting until I was 18.
>>6332981
Seriously, all you guys and gals complaining about your circumstances not allowing you to be trans and how depressing that is. I wish I had that kind of excuse. Imagine looking back at your childhood and knowing, with 100% certainty, that your current state is ENTIRELY YOUR FAULT.
>>6332834
saved
>>6332834
Great chart, saved!
>>6332998
I feel bad for giggling, but ya I have similar tale. Things worked out for me in the end though, i don't think school would've been much easier to go through lol (no poster child status)
>>6333057
my parents let me drop out of public school to start HRT and I still didn't.
>>6332981
Why did you turn them down, though? Besides that you were a scared little kid.
>>6333099
That's the only reason.
Luckily I'm a little androgen insensitive so it didn't turn out as bad as it could've. It's not like my shoulders are intensely wide or I have a brow ridge or anything. Still, I would've liked to have a less barrel-esque ribcage and wider hips.
>>6333106
Well, ok, what kind of parents do you have that they would be so cool with starting you on HRT? I hope that doesn't come off as accusatory, I just can't picture that kind of parent existing 6+ years ago.
>>6333125
My parents are both scientists, and they're the two different scientist cliches. My dad is the charismatic mad genius whose previous job was being a vaudeville revival actor. My mom is the focused, logical, borderline-autistic academic type.
>>6324111
i knew i was different as a young kid. like 5-6.
i knew that people could transition at age 9, and i knew that i was a tranny for sure
then came like 10 years of crippling repression denial, and suicidal depression.
i came out close to my 19th birthday. started hrt shortly after.
am i trutrans™ ?
>>6333131
I have fond memories of this in general. My dad coming to pick up my mom and I at the airport. We get to baggage and pickup and we don't see him, only to have him pantomine-escalator up from behind a couch. And she's next to me doing that nose-pinch-facepalm. Or when we were waiting for him at a restaurant and we'd look out the window and see him doing the knee-walking thing as a joke just to get our attention.
Shame they got divorced. Perfect couple for a sitcom, not so much for real life.
>>6333131
So what are their fields of study? Because you don't commonly see an archaeologist doing physics or vice versa.
>>6324111
Started my transish at 24, but I knew something was up by 13. If I'd had the vocabulary and less scary parents then I might have piped up then.
>>6333211
My mom is a high-level EE (Development, not implementation) and my dad is computer scientist (The kind that designs chips, not just IT) turned for-hire instructor who teaches employees at companies about whatever niche systems the companies use that require a specially-trained instructor.
>>6333255
I guess they're both kind of EEs, or were before my dad started instructing. Sort of. They kind of have their fingers in a lot of pies
>>6333274
Never, actually. They're too far up in the decisionmaking process to deal with engineers that implement like wage computer scientists and IT, which is what the trans people who are engineers I know do.
>>6323383
34
>>6332873
>>6333002
>>6333028
Here's the original.
>>6335776
>tfw came out to parents at 15 but they are making me wait until college
>>6338050
>being stupid
Nigger, you better start HRT now.
>>6338050
You don't need HRT to feel like a woman ;)
>>6323383
I'm more inclined to believe adults who come out as trans desu. Teenagers are notoriously capricious.
>>6338050
I would do literally anything you can to get on HRT as quickly as you can. Those years from 15 to 20 or so are the biggest changes in your facial bone structure and body frame
Random thought I thought I'd add. If a person is too much of a coward to begin transition when they know their trans is not hard to concieve that they could also be too much of a coward to off themselves? Living in a horrid hell/purgatory where they are too afraid to live their lives AND too afraid to end it?
... I may fall in this category.
>knew at 4 and came out to my mom
>"God doesn't make mistakes"
>repressed with drugs and liquor and friends until 18
>started transition at 18
>full time at 19
Be honest, am I true trans or nah
>>6342315
Do you pass? There's your answer.
>>6341269
It's the CURRENT YEAR
There is no reason for you to live and suffer like the trannies of ages past, start HRT for yourself. Or at least AAs if you still aren't sure.
>>6342315
Did you crossdress for pleasure, have you always been attracted to guys, and did just the thought of being female arouse you at any point?
From what you've already written, I would say you are, but answering the above questions would leave no doubt in anyone's mind.
>>6342388
>There is no reason for you to live and suffer like the trannies of ages past
Well, yeah, unless you are above a certain age then it's just as bad as ages past. Young mtf transitioners are kind of accepted on about the same level as ftm always have been. Older transitioners still get plenty of shit for it until they manage to pass. So you statement is definitely true for anyone <20, and partially true from about 20 to maybe 25 or so. After that it 100% comes down to natural attractiveness that will allow for easier passing. 90% of 25+ aren't ever going to pass and will probably end up getting beaten for going out in public until they eventually kill themselves for being failures.
>>6342537
That's certainly good enough for me. Blanchard and friends would call you AGP anyway because you're bi. But never mind them, they don't believe it's possible for an cis male to genuinely be attracted to both sexes anyway, which is ridiculous.
Well I started feeling disconnected at puberty. Came out at 17, no idea how people can just suddenly come out, especially recently since it's apparently the hip and cool thing to be trans now
