So, how does one (as a transgirl) reach that elusive dream of dating straight guys? I know passing is a must, but then what?
Straight guys who like transgirls enough to date them are like unicorns, I'm not even sure if they exist. You're probably better off to not look for straight guys and settle for a non-creepy-chaser bi dude.
i've dated two, and i don't even pass particularly well sooo
If you're pre op then they ain't straight. Not 100% at least. Accept that and stop trying to find a 'straight' guy.
>>6320696
What do you consider passing well? I've dated a few guys that considered themselves 'straight' even though I looked like a straight up femboy.
>>6320591
I love how everyone on this board thinks chasers are creepy but all then I see a hundred threads a day saying "How can I get cis st8 qt"
>>6320591
>>6320507
>unicorns
>pic related
Go to chaser-gen or post in the passing threads. Some straight guys there.
>>6320507
Not mythical at all. Pass, go on a date, *don't fuck on the first date*, and on the next one you reveal. It'll have given him time to see you for who you are, not a genital.
I took three days to tell my current bf I was trans. There were some questions and some self-doubt on his part but we're happily together now.
>>6320507
You must be post-op. If you're pre-op then forget about it.
I'm post-op but had no problems dating straight men when I was pre-op? It doesn't seem to be a problem for most nerdy British men?
>>6321070
>British
Believable. Brits are huge degenerates.
>>6321077
Get back to /pol/.
>>6321081
>>6320507
"""straight"""
>>6320507
cute drawing even if it's furry crap
the undiluted 100% straight explodes on contact with dick so careful there
>>6320507
>tfw turned on by a crude drawing of a degenerate furry tranny
i am well and truly lost
>>6320507
Pass, look pretty, have a super amazing perfect personality, be desirable, get srs. then youll maybe have a 5% chance of dating a straight guy.
>>6321509
This sounds about right. Pre-op or post-op, perfect passing or not, the moment I find out a person is a trans girl I would immediately never consider anything romantic with them ever. If I at one time did, I imagine I would feel pretty badly about it.
I wouldn't wish ill upon the transgirl or anything but I would feel somewhat deceived and I would not want to mention it to anyone.
>>6321401
i know right
That pic is FURSOME.
>>6320742
you realize that chaser means someone that looks like this, right?
If you look good and act like a normal person nobody is going to be upset that you like trans girls. The problem is when fedora wearing gentlemen think that the reason they're still a virgin is that all women are evil whores, and trans girls are different(and apparently they think we have no standards)
>>6320507
>trans question
>posts trap image
>>6320507
My boyfriend is straight.
It helps that he's a virgin and pretty nerdy.
We had to be friends first, and I basically warmed him up to the idea of a relationship with me over time.
>>6320591
Im straight but its not as much about me as my family, theyd pretty much disown me if I married a transgirl.
Cis and transgirls are both in my dating preferences but future with a transgirl seems impossible, and my family is more important than any gf.
>>6320507
just get someone who likes andro girls m8
I'm straight but I've been with a transgirl before, she was awesome but broke up when we moved away for uni :(
>>6320699
Does straight even exist then?
>>6321687
I'm pretty sure the dialog implies the bat-thingie is trans
Sometimes I feel like a man inside a woman's body
>>6323059
That's how tight my gf's pussy is
>>6323062
anus tends to be tighter than vaginas, yes
>>6323049
DIALOG?
No boobs, bulge.
Still I find the drawing extremely hot.
And I've been clean from furry shit for long years already
>>6321509
lol no, most people that identify as straight are not actually "straight" as in 100% into one sex. Guys are just pushed away from bi-curiosity more.
like >>6321537
this guy not saying he wouldn't mention it to everyone because that would make him "less of a man" or it would damage his reputation or something (how silly really)
>>6320507
sauce
>>6321038
He already knew.
everytime I check the thread I find the OP pic hotter
4chan you're doing it to me again no this is why I left
>>6320507
I feel so betrayed. Transgirls opened me up to the idea of cock and now that I'm comfortable with a broad sexuality the transgirls want straight guys. Bloody traitors
>>6324056
>I feel so betrayed. I fapped to too much futa porn and now everyone thinks im a weirdo
>>6324080
Not really into hentai. It's just pre-op trannies made me think I might try some cock, so I did. Not really weird unless you're a hick
>>6324056
>Transgirls opened me up to the idea of cock and now that I'm comfortable with a broad sexuality the transgirls want straight guys
How "broad"?
>>6324131
Whoever I look at and find attractive. Whoever I speak to and feel a connection with. Sorry if that's some obtuse flowery bullshit but people are so incredibly different and I don't want to unnecessarily exclude anyone
>>6324056
>how dare some of those transgirls desire to have normal heteronormative relationships where they are treated as normal women and not as chix-with-dicks
>>6324353
Except I was attracted to trans girls for their femininity and realized if a penis didn't put me off then maybe I'd like dudes as well. So why does me being bi mean I'll treat a transgirl like anything less than a woman?
>>6324359
>facsimile
Brain dead illiterate detected. Facsimile means exact copy.
>>6324396
exactly
>>6324396
but then you're not a chaser you're just bi...
A trans chaser is the same as a chubby chaser.
I don't think a fat person that hates being fat would appreciate their so only finding them attractive because of what they hate about their bodies.
>>6320507
>but its a feminine penis :^))))
If a guy still wants to sleep with after finding out you have a dick then he's not 100% straight. This is really not a difficult concept to understand.
>>6320742
>not understanding chaser is the term they use for guys who want their dick and to treat them like "a girl with something extra"
>>6320507
Being a nice person with a good personality would be a nice thing
oh and a dash of Sadist/Masochist
>>6321709
That pic, that dojin, the nostalgia...Do you have michel jackson edit?
>>6322450
tfw shes female...
I can't imagine a 100% straight dude choosing a tranny over a real girl unless he had some serious issues himself. It just doesn't add up, real girls are more feminine in every way.
I think you guys problems is homophobia, you see gays and chasers as fags and less than men, when what you really need is fully dom bi guy. I mean wake the fuck up, being straight doesn't make you masculine or a real man.
>>6321038
>and on the next one you reveal
You deserve a punch to the face if you do this.
>>6324710
insecure nerd detected.
>>6321709
>It helps that he's a virgin and pretty nerdy.
you're taking advantage of a retarded guy and you know it.
>>6324565
>Being a nice person with a good personality would be a nice thing
>being a pervert in women's clothing
>can't have children
>lying
>"Being a nice person"
Are we talking about trannys here?
>>6324735
Straight guys generally don't like trannies wasting their time and money.
>>6324735
Project all you want, but 100% straight guys don't see transwomen as the same as cis women. If they aren't aware they're most likely see transwomen as ultimately male. Not all but the majority, depends on how conservative and openminded or how accepting his parents are.
You can be become female, but you can't expect everyone to agree.
Quick tip for chasers.
If we are pre-op and you want to play with our dick, we hate you.
If you wish to suck it, we hate you even more.
If you ever think it would be nice to be on the recieving end, we will wish you weren't born.
End.
>>6325745
>If you ever think it would be nice to be on the recieving end,
There no reason why straight guys would want to be on the recieving end, but then a straight guy wouldn't normally look for a transwoman. Such a farce.
>>6325745
>caring for your partner's pleasure and wanting her to enjoy herself. Also, showing that part dosen't put you off.
>WAAAAAAAAAAAH I HATE YOU!
I swear transgirls are crazy. What's so bad about wanting you to enjoy sex? I refuse to believe you can get off solely by sucking dick or getting fucked in the ass.
>>6323782
>bulge
That character is trans. She's also always overshadowed by her overly sexual mother.
>>6325745
Noted.
But even the femboys I talk to get mad at that shit, yet they'll totally top another feminine guy, and trans girls will gladly top another transgirl or let one suck them off. Its seems to me that if you're not cute you're not allowed to like dick.
And I understand where they're coming from, as much as I love dick I don't want some bearded masculine dude sucking me off, wouldn't even want to suck him off, but a feminine guy sure.
This is why sometimes I doubt the authenticity of trangenderism, or at least why I think a lot of them are just fetishist. Because we share a lot of the same boundaries and preferences to the letter, I'm just not crazy enough to live out my fantasy of being a girl.
>>6320507
I fall into that category.
I miss my ex so dearly ;_; still fighting to get back together for the umpteenth time.
>have goals
>don't be an attention whore on social media
>communicate your problems, no matter how small
>respond to texts timely
>realize that we like you without makeup sometimes, you don't have to be painted up 24/7
>realize that although we're 'straight' there's a reason we're searching for something different than traditional, whether sexually, emotionally or intellectually
>most of all be loyal and deal any jealousy either of you face right away
>>6325797
>hey you know that thing about you that makes you want to kill yourself?
>gunna put it in my mouth and make sure you're 100% aware you're a total freak
>yeah this totally won't nuke all the good feelings associated with sex by reminding you of THAT
>wow what the fuck you fucking ungrateful bitch
>>6321646
Does it though? I'm not a fedora and would consider dating transwomen, but (online, never asked irl of course) they seem offended that you'd be attracted to their penis. I've only ever dated women but would date transwomen if I wasn't intimidated by what I see online desu senpai.
>>6325958
But some transgirls like using their dick anon.
>>6320507
>I know passing is a must, but then what?
Be hot. How this thread has over 60 posts is beyond me.
>>6321646
Actually most tranny chasers are trans in denial and end up as transbians, see /mtfg/ for more details.
protip: once you become a trans girl it's suddenly okay to hit on trans girls. :p
>>6325853
> and trans girls will gladly top another transgirl
No, we don't. Most of us suffer gender dysphoria if our male parts are brought to attention. Also, the goal of most MtF's is to eventually remove that part through surgery, not to say HRT has a pretty negative impact on male genitalia to the point many pre-op transgirls who are well into it cannot achieve erections or produce semen anymore.
So, you are full of bullshit.
You are reading too much futa porn.
>>6325853
>>6326166
>So, you are full of bullshit.
Mhm.
>>6326243
some pls post the "y-you look like natalie mars" guy screencap pls
>>6325745
noted, memezilla, i'll go find the plenty of other transwomen who aren't going full ZARDOZ about their dicks
>>6326284
what is zardoz i googled it and came up with some movie from the 70s that seems like HG Wells The Time Machine
>>6320507
The only issue I have with dating MTFs is "lel no kids". Would have done it if I were a few years younger, but I'm in my mid-20's now and have to start thinking about what the fuck I want to do for the rest of my life.
>>6326314
having kids is a meme
rather, just focus on what makes you the happiest. don't adhere to random stuff family imposes, for instance, just because
>>6324486
>not understanding that sometime str8 transattracted dudes describe themselves as "chasers" too
Not saying it makes sense, and your division would make more sense actually, but that's just the way it is. Vistit the chasergen as see: half the dudes are cock-obsessed and half are exclusive tops that would never suck a dick. All call themselves "chasers".
>be a widower
>no longer comfortable dating women
>go on a date with a transgirl
>gets up and leaves when i tell her im not too heavily interested in sex and am looking for more of an emotional relationship
.... okay.
>>6324056
Chaser no chasing
>>6320591
I am straight as in i don't want to see a penis while i fuck someone. Would have no issue if penis was hidden or removed.
Would have no issue dating a trans girl who has a penis as long as i do not see it.
>>6325853
hahahaha
>>6326634
Lel women are such memes they pretend to want someone who doesn't want sex but it's just to be "lady like" fucking silly.
>>6326858
Keep going!
>>6326952
Hyper masculinity causes most men to be insecure about theirs as they can never compare to the expectation it's toxic and creates fragile men who flip at the drop of a hat anything that other men will think of as unmanly .
I just don't subcribe to this ideal I can't be bothered and I really don't give a shit what other men think o me.
>>6320507
If a guy dates a trans then that guy automatically becomes bi and no longer straight
>>6327075
What if they don't know?
>>6327075
So what?
>>6327085
Then it's even gayer.
>>6320507
Why would want to date a straight guy? Stay here and date bisexual guys.
>>6325810
I would fug both.
>>6325797
They are crazy. A person who wants to totally mess up their endocrine system and turn their genitals inside out isn't really sane.
>>6326249
Bump for this.
who is this artist?
>>6326984
>Hyper masculinity
It also turns into this successful kind of metrosexuality, Masculinity was never originally about your physique, it was about standing your ground and providing for your family. It was never about being a male model. Similarly to how feminism has hijacked femininity despite being against it.
>>6326952
>>not revealing your medical history on the first date literally warrants violence
>f r a g i l e m a s c u l i n i t y
>T r u s t
transphobia, homophobia, misogyny, belive any leftist bullshit you want, not everyone will accept transpeople and lying about it isn't going to help you.
>>6327085
If she tells him, and he stops seeing her then hes still straight.
>>6321333
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>>6325745
What am I supposed to do about a trans girl who constantly whines about how she's sexually frustrated, but won't let anyone near her dick or bp?
>>6325810
I meant there's no need to rely on dialog implications - the character is some sort of trans-whatever she says she is
muscly shoulders and delicious flat chest go oh so paradoxically well together with wide hips, what the fucking fuck in all fuck...
>>6327913
You reach it and then you realize gay guys are the superior option and cry. Because unlike straight cis women who can only suspect it, you know the truth.
>>6328140
that must stink big time
>>6327931
put it in her vagina. it is a girl, right?
>>6327931
Pretty much nothing
>>6325745
Okay so hold up.
I'm a straight guy and my girlfriend is trans and she doesn't have any real hangups about her bits so it's never been an issue for us. I'm curious though. What do you actually WANT during sex? Can you cum anally? Do you even care if you orgasm? It's very difficult to stimulate an orgasm in someone with a penis without touching it at all.
>>6320507
Tell them you suck dick. Magically All is forgiven.
>>6328287
I think most of them prefer anal or oral sex, taking the female position. That said I think there are a lot of people with a lot of different approaches so perhaps you've found someone who's fine with her dick. It just seems strange given that what drives 99% of transwomen to transition is feeling awful about having a male body and hating their dick.
>>6328307
Yeah I mean obviously making generalizations about this kind of thing is pointless. I'm just confused how to participate in the sexual act with someone who wants you to ignore their sexual parts. Is it just a sore spot forever, or do you just fug the bum and pray for that prostate orgasm? With my gf I still take the "male" position 100% of the time and I never ask to suck her dick or anything (because I know she's not into it) but I do play with it a little when we're fucking, in the same way I might rub another girl's clit. Sometimes penetration and nip twisting is enough to get her off but sometimes she needs more. I dunno, maybe I'm asking stupid questions.
>>6328401
Ultimately if she's fine with it that's what's important. If you're not sure you can bring that up, though I imagine that'd be an awkward conversation.
>>6320507
I'm a straight guy, I met my ex-gf online through a group that mostly played online.
She didn't tell me she was trans until about our 3rd date. We kind of were friends already by then so it is hard for me to say what was really a date vs just hanging out.
Anyway most people seem to be of the same opinion, get them to know you first in some way before you say anything, otherwise you'll be seen as just a trans girl with everything that comes with that culturally, and nothing to actually reflect who you are.
>>6320507
Well if a guy is dating a transgirl he's not straight
Just ask any straight dude
>>6320703
Just because they consider themselves 100% hetero for liking feminine penises does not mean they are actually straight
>>6328529
I'm a straight guy, and I disagree with this. If she is a girl and you're a guy that is a straight relationship.
>>6322450
But that's a cis girl
>>6325958
Why don't you trannies accept and even celebrate your difference instead of hating it? Imagine if black women hated their skin and hair this much, it's just not attractive. There are many different kinds and types of women, settle as a variation of female and look for partners that will like what makes you different.
>>6328653
Can't speak for them but I'm pretty sure that if they could accept their own bodies they wouldn't be trannies in the first place. It is less "wew lad i want to be a woman" and more "wew lad i gotta be a woman or i'm gonna kill myself".
>>6328653
That's a good and healthy approach, but it's very hard to maintain that outlook when there's such an overwhelming amount of opposition to it and nearly no real way to objectively support it. Most people do not consider mtfs to be any type of female, rather they consider them to be a subset of males. AKA: fucked up men. Even supposedly "accepting" people have this viewpoint. Our differences from natal females are very very hard to embrace when people easily can and do use them to say you're not a woman, of any kind.
Also most chasers don't consider trans women to be women, because of the very things they're attracted to us for. Just look at the average chaser thread and you'll see how transparent it is.
>>6328581
You're not a straight guy if you're ok with being someone who is male
80% straight guy here with 20% bisexual tendencies... i've been curious about the idea of being with a transgender, as time goes on I begin appreciating the penis as a sexual organ because i'm able to strongly relate to it as a male.
What do transgenders think of (mostly) straight guys being attracted to them? Is it considered weird?
>>6328906
They don't care, just don't mention liking their penis.
dear god can we please stop thinking of sexuality like this... Look you are not 80 percent straight with 20 percent bi tendencies sexuality is not so cut and dry. Sexuality is about what makes you feel good, and what gets you off. All of you claiming to be special snowflakes that feel that they need to get a straight man need to realize that no one has to have sex with you just like no one has to have sex with me. This sounds like a pity party of woe is me I cant get my preferred partner. Well guess what as a 21 year old straight man who has not gone on a date even though I work out and am athletic guess what I suck it up. I move on , no one wants to be with some one who demands that every one else around them has to change to suit their needs. Instead you should accept the bisexual or homosexual individuals who LOVE you for who YOU ARE. Stop chasing straight men who aren't interested in you, it just wont work. Find people who love you for you.
>>6328779
You are male. I'd fuck you until you came 10 times because you're cute, but you're still male. The problem isn't with us, it's with you and with SJW. They've sold you the false dream, the lie that you could ever be considered female and they did it to cause trouble. Seriously. They're the entire reason you "want" that. You would be perfectly happy being a man who dresses like a woman and gets fucked by men, it doesn't need to be more complex than that. They've sold you on the idea your own actual dysmorphia is some kind of holy energy, they're taking your body negativity and turning it inward to harm you precisely because you are a man who's committed the sin of stepping on their precious grass. They will constantly support the idea of not you yourself being happy but everyone supporting your dysmorphia, they didn't start doing that because you asked, they started doing it and you followed along. They're playing you for saps and using you as political talking points.
You have a SHITLOAD of men who like you for who you actually are and they have you so psychotic over actually "being" a woman that you dislike them for it. Who wins? Sounds like the SJW win. After all, why should you be able to come in and steal their clothes, steal their makeup, steal their attention and steal their men? Cause that's all they goddamn see, they're the ones who think you're a freak, not me. Quit falling for feminazi bullshit designed to keep you off of my dick, they just want it for themselves. Quit getting bullied by a bunch of fat women who are just jealous you're cuter.
>>6329114
The Adam Sandler filter paid off yet again.
>>6329114
This nigga knows whats up. I respect transgendered same as I do any human being, but what I don't respect is expecting the world to bend over for their delusions. Sooner or later you're gonna be thrown in jail for calling a man exactly what he is.
>>6329176
>I respect transgendered same as I do any human being, but what I don't respect is expecting the world to bend over for their delusions. Sooner or later you're gonna be thrown in jail for calling a man exactly what he is.
Thank you.
>>6320507
You don't. You can date bi guys though
>>6329114
You have a few things mixed up.
The SJW wants everyone to be whatever they feel like. They want gender dysphoria to be removed and ignored.
>>6329322
lol no you cunts don't
You're content to use the penis-havers like walking powertools and forklifts the way you always have, if you cared the narrative wouldn't be about be about pronouns and who gets to go into the girl's bathroom. It would be a dialogue for and about the emotions of men, which is exactly why we don't get to have it because SJW view men as dangerous and inferior.
>>6329097
>>6329114
>tfw seeing butthurt chasers begging trannies to love them and insulting them at the same hence comming off as pathetic and increasing the value of every true straight male who sees them as women
>twf guys like you make it so that I don't even have to do shit; I just need to be str8 and see them as women and I'm instantly Prince Charming
>twf when sooo grateful to you betas for lowering the bar
>>6329483
Just doing my job bro!
>>6329322
The sjw are a rebranding of zionism, preaching equality but practicing etho-facism.
They may say gender equality but practice censorship or misandry.
>>6329483
>tfw corrupt sexist women have poisoned your mind so badly you think "seeing someone as a woman" is a real thing that actually exists and not an abstraction
>tfw you don't realize that abstracation is deliberately formatted to be impossible to achieve
>tfw you will accidentally insult every chaser you ever fuck for his preferences even though he is choosing you OVER women
If you were mine you would not be getting cummies for at least a week. Maybe a month. You hate me touching your dick? We'll see how long that attitude lasts.
>>6329114
>You are male.
>Given the definition of "male" as an XY karyotypical configuration of a reproductively healthy human.
>Given reductionist view that assumes hierarchy in an inherently non-hierarchical system.
>Given that both phenotype, endocrinotype and neurotype is ignored or considered secondary for arbitrary reasons and/or assumption that a population biology model (i.e. looking at karyotype only) holds universially
>Given that psychological, social and cultural factors are ignored for no valid reason but simply biological reductionism
Science is hard, maybe try using something less difficult to uphold your prejudice and put others down in the hopes of getting your cock sucked if they feel low enough?
t. cisperson who does science and has reductionism as major pet peeve
>>6329574
I'm a straight man, you faggot, learn how to read.
>abstraction
Oh do tell me all about abstractions vs. the concrete, really. I want to know what the fuck you mean.
>>6329579
bullshit, the post.
>>6329579
>university freshman pastes lines from his gender studies essay
>>6329613
>>6329615
Literally ad hominem. Try again 0/10
Seriously give an actual reason for why my line of reasoning, which is being used more and more by actual biologist studying gender, is so silly. See this Nature article for more information: www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943
Joan Roughgarden's Evolution's Rainbow is also a longer book on the same theme from a more or less purely biological POV (though she does take socio-cultural impacts on the philosophy of biology into account).
>>6329672
Because I don't need a fucking scientist to tell me when I'm looking at a man, the dick and balls are a dead giveaway.
>>6329672
You're just spewing vocabulary, mate. Don't come in with a massive block of formal english greentext and expect anyone to take you seriously.
All you're pulling is the typical liberal "WELL GENDER DOESN'T REALLY EXIST....INTERSEX PEOPLE HURR DURR". The point is that this person has a dick, and heterosexual men are not attracted to people with penises.
>>6320507
wait why do they have to be straight why can't they be bisexual
why not focus on finding a guy that you genuinely care for instead
>>6329705
>Switching from a karyotypical definition to a phenotypical one for no reason than it being suitable at the moment.
>Ignoring that the critique is still largely valid, even for phenotypical reductionism.
>Ignoring that not all transwomen have "dick and balls"
>Not understanding that 'biological reductionism' is a manner of thinking, categorizing and evaluating and that ones does not need to actively acknowledge using it for it to be what it is.
No, keep going, I'm finding it rather amusing actually.
>>6329722
>I don't understand it and therefore it must be wrong.
>The "argument from personal incredulity" following the ad hominem.
>Adds a strawman for good measure.
>Nice hattrick, bro.
I'd say that what I gave was a critique of reductionism and oversimplification rather than the typical liberal bs. I did mention social and cultural aspects, which I guess some would call "social construction", but the idea that "social construction = it's not real" is false and liberals who flaunt it have deeply misunderstood what social construction is. It just means something emerged from society rather than is natural law; it is still "real" and might even be crucial (I mean, the English language is "socially constructed" in a sense since the specific language isn't hardwired into our brain but developed over centuries - it's still very much real and very much important and not something to be done away with!).
Nothing I said even necessarily supports transpeople. One could argue that the socio-cultural division "male-female" is good and beneficial for various reason and should be upheld and protected, and that transpeople undermine it. All I did was point out that it isn't as simple or black-and-white as people like to assume (because assuming is easier, just like insulting and ignoring is easier than comming up with a rebuttal).
>>6329839
I'm just keeping it simple and to the point. Born with a penis, you are a man, born with vagina, you are a woman.
And I don't have anything against them, its no skin off my back to call them whatever the fuck they want me to. The problem lies with them because they want to call themselves something they are not rather just accept that they are men who want to live as woman. Just like the topic of this thread, they are obsessed with a word rather than whats important.
>>6329925
>Born with a penis, you are a man, born with vagina, you are a woman.
That's still just a phenotypical definition that ignores all other levels involved in the (rather complex) phenomenon called "gender" - you've just added "born with" to get around the fact that there are post-ops. What is the RATIONAL reason to add "born with" to the definition? It's just an arbitrary addition meant to exclude, it serves no other purpose.
But read the Nature article I linked to. In in they'll mention things like phenotypical variations that fall outside the common distinction "penis" and "vagina".
>in b4 "but intersex is rare"
Rare but not non-existent. Ignoring it because it doesn't fit well into one's favorite narrative is still irrational.
>in b4 "but those are not normal/those are deformities"
Yeah given a certain (reproductive) definition of health, which again is an arbitrary definition with no rational basis - why it an no other definition of "health"?. It is selected because it excludes and confirms pre-existing notions on how things ought to be.
>I'm just keeping it simple
Exactly. But the point is that it ISN'T simple, so trying to keep it simple means oversimplyfing to the point of error. If being 'technically-wrong-but-more-in-a-methodological-sense' doesn't bother you then go ahead and keep believing whatever you want, but don't act like I'm the crazy one for applying science and evidence-based reasoning to the whole thing.
I love how quick chasers go from "I don't mind you have male parts. You are a 100% a girl to me" to "IF you feel bad about your dick you are WRONG. Now let me suck it because I love dicks! BTW, don´t forget I am the only guy who will ever want you!"
I asked my bf who is straight (im bi) what trans should do to be attractive to straight men and he says it's impossible. You would have to be at least a little gay to like trans according to him.
>>6330210
Someone sounds bitter over a bad experience.
>>6330210
Its just bantz babe, if we met irl I'm sure we would be best bros :^)
>>6325853
>closet mtfs
The worst kind of chaser
>>6330357
I'd be really surprised if that were the case. I love being a dude, I love my dick.
If anything I'm just a repressed fetishist.
>being trans and denying yourself pleasure cause of le dysphoria
i mean shit i want to get rid of my dick asap but i still use it cause im not a braindead idiot that denies the fact that its a sexual organ and it feels pleasurable when me or someone else touches it
i swear some of you take this I HAVE TO BE TRUETRANS OR ELSE IM NOT A REAL GIRL thing too far
>>6330481
If you think dysphoria is a meme you're not transgender. You're a transsexual fetishist.
Man, realizing I was bi was like kryptonite to my ftm girlfriend when I was a teenager, because it was the revelation that I'm not some enlightened straight guy, but potentially just some faggot who likes dicks.
>>6330528
>you didnt have so much dysphoria that you cut your dick off with scissors when you were 5 like me? you're not trutrans you fetishist!
god this line of thought is so toxic, i hate my dick too, but im not mentally deficient and treat it like some radioactive tumor
you let the community get to you
I'm a straight dude. I guess I could potentially go for a Trans if they passed well enough and stuff, but I have a feeling that's just as much of a unicorn as a "Good straight boy" is to a Trans.
Like, I have an acquaintance that's trans. Known them since before they came out about it. I'm polite to them, still do the same stuff we used to do because they still like it, I don't say mean shit around them, use the right pronouns and stuff, but there is literally no way I will ever want to sleep with them, or even really be able to mentally convince myself to truly think of them as female. Not unless technology and methods that literally do not exist and won't for centuries suddenly came out.
This whole thing over hating bi dudes is ridiculous to me. Why tune out people who would theoretically find people who don't perfectly pass attractive? Is every part of being trans a self-created barrier to happiness for you guys?
Anyway, good luck.
>>6330682
>This whole thing over hating bi dudes is ridiculous to me. Why tune out people who would theoretically find people who don't perfectly pass attractive?
I don't like gender typical anything
I don't like prissy makeup technician cis girls
I don't like muscly sports cis machos
Most people I find attractive are not gender typical to some extent, either noticeably or deep down or in their upbringing
people without even a single dash of their counterpart genter are caricatures
>>6330682
>Trans if they passed well enough and stuff, but I have a feeling that's just as much of a unicorn
nah, a passing tranny isnt a unicorn
a tranny who isn't batshit undatable insane and passes is a unicorn
t. batshit undatable insane
>>6330725
Fair enough on that aspect.
I consider personality part of the passing, too.
Also the vagina being right, though I imagine that's gotten a bit better over time since I last learned about the surgeries and shit.
Still, those together count for actually passing to me, not just looking like a female.
>>6321709
>boyfriend
>virgin
You're not in a real relationship until you've had sex, this isn't medieval times.
>>6327931
tie her up and take control do whatever you want just use her, women like to dominated
>>6329483
>the value of every true straight male who sees them as women
>True straight male who sees them as women
>True straight male
>Straight male
>Straight
That's a real conundrum.
>I want a guy who will accept me as I believe I am
So say you don't tell him your trans and he finds out
>Aww you have a dick? I'm not gay! I'm outta here
Say you do tell him straight away
>Aww you have a dick? I'm not gay! I'm outta here
But say one guy isn't upset
>Hey, that's fine by me
So then you say
>Well, he's fine with me having a dick? He's not accepting me as I believe I am. He's probaby a chaser or low key gay
So you want a guy who hates your dick as much as you do, but doesn't mind that you're trans?
>>6320507
finding a cure for autism
>>6331717
The girls here dont really want dick, they just like to pretend they do. Hence that situation. Really, all it takes to date a straight guy as a transgirl is to not label anyone who goes after you a chaser. There are plenty of good guys out there who love a transgirl, even an unpassable hon.
>>6331915
this
>>6329839
Not that person and it looks like I'm hours late but could you link me to some sources wherein I could educate myself on the subject? I've been pro-trans for a long time but never thought of them as being more than superficially female, though respected the desire to be treated as such.
Can we all just consider for a moment that no one is truly "straight" or "gay"? We're all just attracted to what we're attracted to, and that's subjective for literally everyone.
To all the people who'd say "I'm straight because I'm only attracted to women", Would you have sex with Jocelyn Wildenstein? Or Rosie O'Donnell? Chances are no, because you're actually attracted to attractive people, not women in general. Once you realize this you'll notice that the whole gender thing becomes a whole lot less cut and dry because it doesn't actually matter at all.
Personally I'm attracted to femininity and androgyny that leans towards femininity, but past that the genitals and the chromosomes don't really make a difference to me. Apparently acknowledging that not just people born with XX chromosomes can be feminine and attractive makes me gay and a creepy chaser though.
Speaking of, trans people insulting and belittling others for their sexual preferences is the worst kind of hypocrisy. It's almost like they should know that being called a freak doesn't feel great, oh wait they do.
TLDR: Stop giving so much of a fuck about labels and love whoever you want to love. Them actually caring about you is far more important than an adjective that means very little in the long run.
At least, that's my two cents on the matter.
I recently met a transgirl for the first time in my life and I am legit attracted to her. I def want to put it in her pooper, but do I go for it and stay persistent with her if;
A. I'm not sure if I'm up for anything but a hook up, and
B. the conversations are pretty one-sided, but I can't tell if she's not into me or if she's just socially anxious af (little eye contact and pretty quiet, but otherwise friendly)
the reason I'm even asking is because I've heard that transpeople generally have delicate emotions when it comes to relationships.
>>6332579
Just put it in her butt and see what happens.
How do you be a "realistic" tranny and be happy as a fucked up man who wants to pretend he's a woman? I read mean shit on here about how I'm not a woman and frequently hammer down that I'm a man but I'm still bitter as fuck about everything and frequently get the urge to kill myself. Knew two other trannies that tried manning up and they both died in a suicide pact. I convinced my other tranny friend that he's a man and he's been on a downward spiral ever since. Drinks a lot, abuses heroin. Pretty sure he'll kill himself too. He's the only friend i have left so I'll probably join him.
I guess this is really what cis people want when they say we should accept reality. The condescending fucks.
>>6320507
Stop giving a fuck what people who don't matter think about you. This will endow you with confidence. With that confidence people will be attracted to you and you will have many more options than those you have now.
>>6331478
>Uses persuasive definition, i.e. defining "straight man" as someone who cannot be into transwomen
>Doesn't realise this bs just further boosts my value
>Mfw
>>6332134
-www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943 - for a basic intro to the complexity of biological gender
-Joan Roughgarden's "Evolution's Rainbow" - for some good examples of how weird gender can be in nature, as well as some discussion on the reductionism prevailent in biology (as it pertains to gender at least)
-"Queer Ecologies" for an overview of the whole idea about what is 'natural' from a more social scientific POV (have not read this one yet myself but it's on the list)
-Any books on system's biology or even system's theory in general, and then just apply what you learn to gender - this is mostly what I do
-Any of the (sadly few) books and articles taking the system's approach even further and developing a 'dialectic' biology; see the work of Stephen J Gould, Richard Levins and Richard Lewontin for example. This is also mostly what I do.
Gender studies is not my thing really, most of what I posted was just stuff I know from deducing it from other knowledge in the social and natural sciences. Like knowing that 'gender' can't be defined by karyotype alone; you don't need a PhD in biology for that, you just need to understand basic system's theory concepts (a non-hierarchical system cannot be solely defined by any one of it's constituent components, no matter how crucial said component is) and an understanding of methodology (the human body can be modelled in different ways, and seeing it as a non-hierarchical system is more fitting for understanding something complex like gender because it depends on several factors - whereas a population biology model for instance wouldn't need a system's model and could just look at karyotype).
>>6332692
All my friends identify with their birthsex and we get along like peanut butter and jelly.
If you aren't being yourself well adjusted people will see right through you. You're clearly your own greatest victim.
>>6332765
And yet you're here trying to brag to a bunch of hypothetical trannies on the internet about how good your friendship circle is in order to feel better about both it and yourself.
>>6332770
Ahaha I like you yoda anon
although you misread my intentions
>>6332770
> hypothetical trannies on the internet
im pretty sure all the trannies here are real
>>6332765
How am I not being myself? How is my mental state any of my fault? It isn't my fault that I'm mentally ill. Just like it isn't my fault that I was born a man. It just is. I still take hormones and dress like a girl. I still feel like shit though and suicide is a daily thought. My two friends did the same and they eventually caved and committed suicide once the apathy circumvented their will to live. It was disturbing to watch. First they were in denial, then they were bitter and depressed all the time, then they were just apathetic shells of people that inevitably lost the will to live because they were so numb that everything was pointless to them. My friend that's still alive is going through the same process.
I think you're confusing repression with simply acknowledging reality.
>>6332872
This dude does not care about you, nor your life, nor any of the horrible things that have happened to you or your friends.
Stop coming to 4chan for validation, support, empathy, or sympathy. You will get very little and slowly chip away at your self-worth to try to get more.
Don't beg condescending strangers on the internet for the permission to exist and feel feelings. Just exist.
>>6334289
Au contraire, m'lady! Only the finest of clarities to be beheld here.
>mfw
But seriously, didn't trans chicks hated cishet men?
this thread is a mental hatefuck fest
Source of OP pic?
>>6331915
>The girls here dont really want dick, they just like to pretend they do. Hence that situation.
Do some transgirl feed off their own drama? this sounds like a whiny accusative question but i honestly don't know if this is the context of this?
Talk to me I'm lol that's how
I've always considered myself straight, but I'd date a trans-thingy if I was attracted to it.
Does that make me bi, or still technically straight?
Too bad I live in Arkansas and there's no cute trans people around here, just trailer trash in drag.
>>6320507
Riddle me this, OP and friends
>Let's say there are two "straight" men, each of whom has a mtf transgender girlfriend.
>Boyfriend 1 doesn't go near his gf's penis and doesn't acknowledge its existence in the relationship.
>Boyfriend 2 however does stimulate his gf's penis. He frots, sucks, eats her cummies, etc.
Is boyfriend 1 any "straighter" than boyfriend 2?
Discuss.
>>6339145
It makes you less straight than most straight men, so you're probably bicurious or something or just more open-minded. Fantasizing and actually doing things are different aspects of sexuality, however.
>>6339433
Depends on if Boyfriend 2 does all of that because it's a dick he's playing with or because it's his girlfriend's genitals (meaning he loves her genitals whether they're in the form of a penis and scrotum or a vulva). The first reason would make him bi, maaaaybe gay, but certainly not straight. If it's the second reason I don't see why he can't be just as straight as Boyfriend 1. Also Boyfriend 2 is gay regardless of motivation if he wants her penis in his ass.
I would personally prefer Boyfriend 2 over Boyfriend 1 as long as he's motivated by the second reason and has no interest in getting pounded in the ass.
>>6339487
>Depends on if Boyfriend 2 does all of that because it's a dick he's playing with or because it's his girlfriend's genitals (meaning he loves her genitals whether they're in the form of a penis and scrotum or a vulva).
Now there's some level-headed reasoning.
>I would personally prefer Boyfriend 2 over Boyfriend 1 as long as he's motivated by the second reason and has no interest in getting pounded in the ass.
What if I like my cis g/f to pound me in the ass with a plastic dick? Does that make me gay? I already liked doing stuff to my butt, but the one who actually wanted a strap-on and pounding me was her, I just played along because why the hell not.
If you don't want to pound people with your dick, gt or with a fake dick it's entirely your right not to - no explanations needed, either.
But I'm sorely (hahaha) tired of anal sex taboo and stigmatization.
>>6339800
>But I'm sorely (hahaha) tired of anal sex taboo and stigmatization.
Aye, m8. Also, I see nothing wrong with Boyfriend 2 even if he's generally interested in having his butt pounded in theory, but respects the feelings of his girlfriend and doesn't pressure her to do something that makes her uncomfortable.
>>6339800
lol
>>6339800
>>6340457
Lets kick the difficulty up a notch. Say bf 2 wants to get pounded in the but and his gf is cool with that BUT is not OK with using her natural gt beause of disphoria - so she puts on a strap on and fucks him with that. Is that more gay than not taking it up the arse at all but less gay than taking her gt?
>>6320507
>>6321046
>>6324353
>>6325745
I'm a straight dude. Barring someone with a wonderful personality (because MOST PEOPLE [man, woman, dog, w/e] don't have one), please explain to me why on earth I would want to date someone who I know is a post-op transsexual? As far as I'm concerned they're just scrawny, unattractive women. I want a woman with some ass, boobs, wide hips, big lips, etc. etc. If a mtf looks like a teenage girl, the only thing she has going for her is her limp little dick because I enjoy the idea of dominating her ass and watching it flop around uselessly.
Seriously, if I'm on Tinder or whatever, I'm not going to waste my time with the thousands of Taylor-Swift-looking-ass bitches who have no body and a cardboard personality, I'm going to go for the women who pique my interest. I'd much rather date someone who looks like Bailey Jay than date twenty Taylor Swifts just to find one with a good personality.
>>6340733
P.S. Lots of straight dudes are into butt stuff and want a GF that would use a strap-on on them anyway, so I think its ridiculous for transsexuals to get pissed off about a dude wanting them to use their penis.
>>6340457
That's exactly how it should be. Pressuring people into sexual activities is a horrible thing to do whether there's a gt involved or not.
>>6340587
Anon, we're splitting hairs so thin here we might just start a capillar fission chain reaction and make everyone browsing the board bald-headed.
I'd say that taking (or giving) it up the ass with a strap-on is definitely less gay than taking (or giving) it up the ass with a gt, because gay men don't need or want a strap on for anal sex (barring extraordinary circumstances)
So I think using an artificial plastic dick to pound bf 2 in the ass is actually much more akin to a cis-het or lesbian activity than to a gay activity.
>>6339800
My time here has shown me that the majority of pre-op MtF don't want their dicks touched, and they expect sex to be like it would be with a biological female. Heck, most of you people forget the goal of most transgirls is to surgically remove their dicks at some point of their lives.
Then we get posts like those that are the reason why chasers have such a bad rep. It is a slippery slope, really.
A) I'm okay with your dick, that's still straight
B)I want to give you a reach around, because A
C) I want to suck your cock, because is isn't any less straight than B)
D) I want you to fuck me in the ass, because it is not gayer than dating a MtF in the first place.
I think the blunt way to say it is that if you are dick-thristy you are a chaser, and certainly not straight.
>>6340907
How is any of that different from a woman with a strap-on? If someone looks enough like a woman that I can't tell the difference without examining their genitals, they are a woman as far as I'm concerned.
It feels good to put stuff up your butt. That's just the truth. If you defined homosexuality by the guys who've put stuff into their butthole, there would hardly be a single "straight" man alive.
>>6340925
I'm not talking about anal stumulation, but rather the atraction to dicks. If the dude likes that there are tons of options. But if the dude purposedly dates a transgirl because he is atracted to girls-with-dicks, or just dicks in general, then he's a chaser, and like I said, not straight.
There is all this talk about "her pleasure" and stuff, when, again, most transgirls would get a gender reassignment surgery right away.
>>6340963
>>6340907
>the goal of most transgirls is to surgically remove their dicks at some point of their lives.
>most transgirls would get a gender reassignment surgery right away.
While a lot of trans girls suffer from genital dysphoria and want SRS, it's not that simple I'm afriad. Some have dysphoria, but don't want the surgery because of all the risks and concerns that come along with that. Then there are some who have no genital dysphoria whatsoever. I'd be hard-pressed to say that the majority of transgirls hate their genitals. I've met many mtfs who aren't necessarily in love with their dicks, but still like using them because cumming just feels good.
>>6340963
> But if the dude purposedly dates a transgirl because he is atracted to girls-with-dicks, or just dicks in general, then he's a chaser, and like I said, not straight.
This is still retarded. Pussies aren't that appealing, not when I can still cram my dick in some booty. I don't understand how transsexuals can be so focused on genitals while at the same time complain about not being "treated like a woman." It's not like I need to look at a woman's pussy to tell if I'm attracted to her. MTF is just a different model of woman, and some people get a little crazy about the taboo/novelty. Doesn't mean they'd kiss a dude.
Personally, I like the idea of a pre-op transgirl because it makes me feel more powerful and dominant to fuck such a cute and pathetic "man"
>>6341066
What he said.
>>6341066
>chasers, the post
>>6341043
The old "well, I have friends that..." argument doesn't hold any weight when there are so many studies showing the opposite, and when SRS is such an important issue for the MtF community.
>>6341138
Are you talking about the TruTrans community exclusively though? Surely you're aware of how many people transition and use their dicks, unless you don't count them as being trans. Just look at how many sissies, traps, agp and crossdressers who use hormones there are.
>>6341147
I'm speaking about the trans community who identify as female. And I am aware how many transwomen decide to keep their parts, either by choice or because they cannot afford SRS. But the fact is that SRS is as important of a step for most MtF as HRT. The existance of MtFs who enjoy their male genitals doesn't change that.
>>6341173
>But the fact is that SRS is as important of a step for most MtF as HRT.
No, this isn't even remotely true.
>>6341182
Dysphoria sufferers absolutely do, and that's at the basis of transsexualism as opposed to mere crossdressing.
>>6340907
I'd assume that a transgirl doesn't want to be touched *there* unless she stated or demonstrated otherwise.
In any event, I'm not a chaser, my interest in this shit is theoretical - I'm not even into futa hentai O_o
A) I'm okay with your dick, because I like you
B) I'll only give you a reach-around if you want me to.
C) If you want me to lick your gt, I'll have a fun time doing so as long as you're enjoying it.
D) I enjoy stuff up my butt as much as you. Whether you're into manbutt or not, and what do you want to use on my butt or not is entirely your own business, as long as you don't hurt me and I agree with it.
>>6341066
>Personally, I like the idea of a pre-op transgirl because it makes me feel more powerful and dominant to fuck such a cute and pathetic "man"
The very fact that you're willing to shag someone you actually despise makes you an outright bastard
>>6341138
>>6341147
>>6341173
>>6341182
>>6341195
I'll remind you that the ratio between "I still use my dick" and "I don't want to even see it" is entirely irrelevant to the argument.
The only important thing is that sexual acts must be freely consented to and enjoyed by all involved. Everything else stinks.
>>6341236
>The only important thing is that sexual acts must be freely consented to and enjoyed by all involved. Everything else stinks
I completely agree with that. If you are having intimacy with a transgirl and she's still pre-op, and she wants you to touch her GT, that's okay.
My issues is with all the posts here that go like "why do you hate chasers? is not bad we love your dick", and the following arguments about how transgirls should be grateful because some dude wants to suck our dick. It doesn't work that way, and is even less the case if we look for an heternormative interaction.
>>6341283
people can't get their priorities in order for shit
a lot of people are miserable failures at understanding that sex is about making the other person feel mind-blazing pleasure and making them comfortable with their body.
-I love putting my junk in butts,which are standard equipment for everybody.
-Most of the girls I've been with didn't want my junk in their butt.
-Some of those wanted other stuff in their butt, but not my junk.
I think that makes for a close parallel, even if the reasons are entirely different.
It's their choice, and I'm not going to go mad from not fucking an asshole, nor pressure them into it, nor gonna find someone else "because I need to fuck butts" (I don't)
olaf kha ashe? v: not speak english :VV:
Straight guy who isn't put off by transgirls here, but if you ever do like in OP pic, I would kick your ass to the curb.
Have the decency to be upfront. I've been "tricked" by transgirls before and it's not a nice feeling. I wouldn't date anyone that wasn't straight up with me, transgirl or not.
>>6340907
srsly tho. If you're not looking for the D - why would you ever date a tranny?
>>6320507
It's just about personality, I'm a straight male and my trans girlfriend just broke up with me before our two year anniversary haha.
Basically she was a qt and we talked a lot and smoked together.
After about a month of talking we started spending more time together and started dating.
She was upfront about it before anything got too serious, and while it was weird and I wasn't sure what to do. I knew that I liked her enough to give it a chance.
To be honest it was one of the best relationships I've ever had and I am hoping we can work things out after summer internships and such.
>>6342969
Because women are more than walking vaginas?
>>6343167
Yeah, they usually have tits and/or ass too, but trannies generally don't have that going for them either.
>>6330021
>Reproductive definition of health being arbitrary with no rational basis
If you can't reproduce you are an evolutionary dead end, how could that be anything but an abnormality/deformity? From a purely biological standpoint anything that can't reproduce is a waste of resources
I just want mtf friends because theyre the only kind of people i feel comfortable around.
>Married
>Dont trust other women
>Ex military
>Dont trust other men
Dont ask me why, but i dont know... met a mtf once and I just felt comfortable around them
>>6343763
Appeal to nature.
If you can reproduce you become resources for those that can and/or you rearrange resources for those that can.
Myth busted.
>>6320507
Sauce please
As a straight male, 0 on the kinsey scale, I coukd have a serious relationship with someone who is post-op, for two reasons, 1. I am attracted to females. 2. They are physically and menttally female.
Pre-op, I would have a hard time with a physical relationship, but could have just about any level of platonic relationship.
>>6343774
I just want friends in general ;-; No one talks to me, my best memory in the past week has been a random classmate saying 3 sentences to me before class starts..
I'm trying not to crush on him now :^) you know cause I'm a mtfreak
>>6322410
why would you tell your family tho
unless you date a chick that doesn't pass
>>6343942
Meh. How far are you into your chameleon training?
>>6340737
Like I've said before, its insecurity. Everything is in place to reinforce that they are woman and their bfs ares straight. Not saying normal woman jump at the chance to peg their bfs, but it certainly takes someone who is both secure in her womanhood and the masculinity of her man to be comfortable doing.
>>6344242
>it certainly takes someone who is both secure in her womanhood and the masculinity of her man to be comfortable doing.
I disagree.
I guess it can be like that, but it's certainly not my case :3
>>6320507
>Dating a tranny
Why would any of you do this? This shit constantly comes up every thread where some tranny posts about chasers and then chasers get all fucking assblasted. Why do you even care about what some crazy person thinks? And yes, they're all fucking crazy. Go have even just a platonic conversation with a few and you'll know right away. People might say "Don't judge the whole based on the few". Well, in this case you certainly can.
"straight" dude here. The majority of partners I've had are female but I have dicked some short feminine looking dudes( first time I was pretty intoxicated desu).
I don't want to suck dicks or have anything touching my anus. I also prefer doggy style because I'd rather just pretend you don't have a dick and I hate hairy assholes.
I can't be alone.
>>6347212
Nah, I like dicks too much to buy into the >straight_meme.pdf
That being said, trans girls and femmy guys are my weakness too, brother.
>>6344624
>And yes, they're all fucking crazy. Go have even just a platonic conversation with a few and you'll know right away.
My brother, have you ever had a conversation with a cis girl? Bitches be trippin’, regardless of what they got downstairs.
>>6347325
>That being said, trans girls and femmy guys are my weakness too, brother.
Me too. Normally I'm okay being a single virgin, but traps combine my general love of the female form with my secret desire for cock, so its hard to resist with those forces coming at me at once.
Separately though they don't hold much power over me. Girls are hot but vaginas seem gross, and dick is hot but I'm not attracted to 99.99% of guys.
>>6349173
My brother from an adoptive mother, I have. I even have sex with them! Sure, women can be mental at times, but it fails in-comparison to a transgender person. It sucks being trans, they have some serious demons to battle. It's a shame, but it doesn't make them any less crazy because I feel bad for'em a little.
>>6325745
>we
>I speak for all transwomen
if you wanna suck my dick, and I like you, I'm not gonna stop ya
christ this thread is fucking bad
>>6320507
some guys like females with penis (like me) a MTF with vagina dont have sense to me (for this thing you already have the common girl), although it seems some shemales hate the guys like me because they dislike to be a fetish or something... idk, I just want to have a cool shemale pal to play and have fun together (I like to switch)
Im a guy who enjoys the company of a transexual I consider straight cause I'm attracted to woman and trans that look fem what you have between your legs not really an immediate concern if I like you then I'll like all of you
Ok question time, why you hate those guys you call "chaser" ? why is bad to love females with penis? honest question
>>6320507
>So, how does one (as a transgirl) reach that elusive dream of dating straight guys?
You can't.
Straight men do not want to fuck another man, which is what transgirls are. They're men pretending to be women.
If you find a man who wants to fuck you, he's gay. Period.
