Who non-op here? I don't mean in the sense that you can't afford it yet, but I mean that you've come to a conclusion about surgery besides the financial aspects.
What are your reasons behind not getting it done? Obviously for FtMs we can guess why...
>>6302961
Three friends of wealth paid for surgeries by Suporn and other renowned surgeons.
They were mangled and are suicidal. I never really found the need for it before despite my dysphoria around it but like nah its not the same as a natal vagina.
>>6302961
>What are your reasons behind not getting it done?
You can't put a hole in another hole.
>>6302961
Well, it's financial for me, I guess.
I could get a butcher job for free... But, what's the point of having a vagina that doesn't sit at the right place, without inner labia, and poor depth?
Anal sex feels fine enough and I don't feel like I need some scarred meat hole in addition to it to enjoy sexual life.
And think about it this way, with penis you are like a trap, a magestic being, but with an operation you are just another slightly manly grill with a weird dry infertile vagina.
>>6303067
>with penis you are like a trap, a magestic being
I actually am coming around to this way of thinking. At least with my penis I'm a very rare and interesting creature with my own niche appeal. But with a frankengina I'll just be another average looking chick.
>>6302961
I feel like having a dick gives me more options sexually, and I already have another hole if I want to get penetrated.
>>6303094
But if you dick goes flacid from hormones, what options does it gives you?
>>6303123
It hasn't as of yet (1 year HRT). If it did, viagra I guess? lol
>>6303123
are you missing you penis yet, hon?
>>6303054
>But, what's the point of having a vagina that doesn't sit at the right place, without inner labia, and poor depth?
That sounds like largely an incorrect meme, where do you live? Because some surgeons in countries you can get funded are pretty great.
>>6303085
Deluding yourself won't cure your dysphoria.
>>6302971
Same. Everyone gleefully ignored the high complication rate and poor results. All they can think is "tee hee I'm getting a pussy "
>>6303067
>a majestic being
Lol... No
My dysphoria doesn't actually extend to my penis. I hate the rest of my male body, but I'm pretty ambivalent to my dick.
I um...kind of just really like my penis. That's all there is to it, no bullshit.
>>6303563
Good on ya lady
Do you like guys who like transwomen?
It's a very invasive surgery, the actual procedure and the after care scare me away. Plus I don't think it would make me feel like more of a woman, and it definitely isn't going to magically cause others to treat me that way.
>>6302971
Pretty much this.
>>6302961
Its a daily struggle. On one hand, I hate having a cock and the social stigma that comes with being a woman with a penis. People want to use it as a way to justify hurting me and dehumanizing me. I'm told by society and other women that it makes me a threat to their safety and a latent oppressor/sexual predator. The government won't let me change the sex marker on my official documents without submitting proof of SRS, so I'm stuck having to live as a man in real world affairs because I'm not legally recognized as an actual person. I can't have sex the way I want to and basically have to deal with using a literal disgusting shithole for the rest of my life if I want to be penetrated. Sex can never be spontaneous. If I use my dick I feel like a man and it ruins the mood. The only people that want me are after something I deeply hate about myself and most don't really have any degree of respect for me as a woman. It's like being an amputee or burn victim and the only people that want you are fetishists. I'm forced to choose between loneliness or being in a purgatory like state where I'm not really happy with my partners or my body.
On the other hand, SRS is terrifyingly complicated and grotesque. The results are never anywhere near the appearance and functionality of a natal vagina and people ostracize you even more for getting it.
Being a non op is suffering. I'm only keeping my penis because I'm forced to keep it. If I was offered a neovag that was a very good approximation of a natural one, I'd probably take it. I would kill for a natal one.
>>6302971
Why is it that all the stats I read have high satisfaction rates but /lgbt/ always goes on about it being "mutilation"?
>>6303725
because any trace of happiness or success needs beating down and stamping out
>>6303775
>>6303725
This! Non-ops often think they know better than post-ops about results, and there's not a statistic or anecdote that you can show them that will make them rethink.
Yes, surgery isn't perfect, especially FtM, but the frankendick/frankengina days are long gone. And they're making progress with penis transplants and stem cell vaginas, so fingers crossed!
>>6303067
But 90% of the guys that will want you are chasers, who will dumb you once they get tired of you.
You'll get laid more often, but your chances of something long term are just about the same as if you had surgery, probably a bit less of a chance really.
>>6303676
/thread
>>6302961
As a cis girl I do think you non ops should really not refer to yourselves as women. I cant help but just see you as cross dressers
>>6303808
i want to stick my feminine penis in you.
>>6303676
Not far off how I feel really. If I could press a button and be female, sure, but it's neither that simple nor that effective.
On the plus side, I mostly prefer oral to fucking anyway, cock or not, and mostly prefer women too, and between good oral and fisting and getting into their heads, you don't even need to use your cock or a cunt much to get most women off.
>>6303912
True, but far more than 90% of guys who want ANYONE are total shitheads.
Actually one reason I'm non-op, and unlikely to even bother with hormones: cock is great, but if hrt made me start fancying men, I'd probably top myself. I pity straight girls and gay men for the shit they're compelled to put up with.
>>6303942
Who are you?
>>6303940
god thing your opinion doesn't count for jack shit to anyone but yourself
>>6303135
2 years HRT here and hasn't happened to me either yet
>>6304006
So you're chris-chan.
Ok.
>>6302961
Because it's easier to masturbate with a dick
>>6303725
the non-ops wants a way to justify their reasoning
>>6304234
I think most women feel the same way I do.
I was stupid enough to get an orchi and that experience has put me off from ever getting any other surgeries. They tried to upsell me the full SRS, thankfully I at least had some iota of sense to refuse.
>>6305595
>that experience has put me off from ever getting any other surgeries.
what happened?
>>6303940
That's your opinion but you don't get to decide how people describe themselves. SRS isn't gonna make me any more of a woman than I already am, and it isn't gonna make condescending cis people like you treat me any differently than you already do. You'll just shift the goalposts even further out of reach and tell me that it isn't a real vagina and I still have xy chromosomes or some shit. Why should it even matter to you what's in someone's pants or DNA if you're not going to sleep with them anyway?
>>6305732
Textbook strawman here
>>6303940
As a trans woman I think you should shut your mouth and fuck off.
>>6303725
Shemale fetishists trying to scare transwomen into keeping the fetish object.
>>6303940
How would you know if someone is post-op or not? cis girls got some vagina seeking goggles I don't know about?
I'm FtM. I don't have much genital dysphoria. I wouldn't consider genital surgery unless it were a down to skin tone perfect transplant. And then maybe, but it would be for convenience's sake.
>>6305732
Sorry it's SRS or the highway. If you have a penis most of the population will consider you male. At least with the chromosome business most people aren't so autistic but genitals are an absolute dealbreaker for society
>>6306801
one of the important things i had to learn during transition was to stop showing everyone i met my penis
>>6306846
good luck getting your documents
>>6306853
i quickly learned to stop carrying around my birth certificate after I got mugged and had my identity stolen
>>6306013
Yeah, called their actual vagina. They look at it, and then look at your shredded mess, and realise they aren't the same thing.
>>6306908
oh god who stole our clothes wtf
>>6306908
Living in a world where only penises and vaginas matter would be so blissfully ignorant, how do you do it sir?
>>6302961
Sometimes I'm in a rush and it's faster to pee standing up.
>>6307132
smart and cute, what more could you want from a girl
>>6306853
How does it make you feel that my birth certificate says female while still having a penis?
>>6307032
Okay. The surgery itself was fine, I honestly barely felt it, I was on antiandrogens for years before that anyway so they had atrophied. I don't know how to explain it, its just like my endocrine system is fubar now. I think women who have had hysterectomies would say something similar, the body chemistry is just off after removing a major organ. Thyroid gets weird, levels feel weird. It just made me realize, hm maybe making permanent irreversible surgical alterations to my one and only body is not the smartest. There's a reason that mentally sane people tend to not amputate healthy body parts I suppose. SRS used to sound appealing, but I'm not very interested in any more surgery...actually I'd probably undo the orchi if I could...
>>6307346
you're actually a man. What you're feeling is called dysphoria
>>6307380
Nothing I didn't already know senpai
>>6303390
Lol, I'm not actually planning on SRS, I just don't quite understand people who want to top and still have hormones that would eventually make you flacid and basically unable to perform as a top.
As a bottom who is quite satisfied with anal sex I see both no problems with a flacid dick and no real reason to have a frankengina.
>>6306801
That part of the population would consider you a freak even if they would just know that you were a man before and have an artifical vagina, so why bother.
>>6303602
If they're chasers, no
If they're people who would be into me for reasons other than my dick sure
>>6306908
Who has their pants off for people to see? you're not making much sense.
But to be honest I don't deny having SRS in the future, like yes maybe penis is nice to have, but at the same time it's not like it's of much use.
And while it may be considered a "unique trait" to have, it may as well bring more harm in societal situations than be a bonus in some perfect relationship conditions.
I just don't really imagine myself with a vagina, but maybe the HRT will change my perception of it.
>>6307240
Can confirm. I live in a conservatard state that technically requires SRS for birth certificate and ID sex marker changes but all I really have to do is hire a lawyer and get a court order from a liberal leaning judge. After that, they just give me a new ID and birth certificate. It's even easier with the federal government. Passport and social security changes for designated sex only really require little more than a doctor's note saying you received the "appropriate care" for gender transition. That phrase is very flexible and most doctors will give you the letter once you've undergone HRT. My ex did it and all of her official documents say she's a female despite the fact that she still has a dick.
Just wanted to put it out there cause I love just how much that fact can piss off transphobes and misandrist TERFscum.
>>6306801
Most of the population won't even see my genitals or know my medical history, and most would still consider me male even if I had the surgery. In fact, most of the population are complete idiots and the world would be a better place without them. Chopping up my parts for a poor approximation of a natal vagina just because you assholes think less of me would be a poor decision.
>>6306846
This is the first time this board has ever made me laugh, so thanks for that.
Because a transwoman with srs has 0 sex appeal.
There's no reason a man, or woman for that matter would want to put their dick or mouth in or on one of those disgusting necrotic holes that leads to seemingly nowhere.
At least with a dick, i can get chasers
I don't really see mtfs that don't get surgery as women. I see them as transvestite/trap/cd's that are doing it for the sex gratification.
But at the same time i would never go near one of those neovaginas. so kinda hypocritical i guess
>>6307346
Ouch thats fucked, I figured there'd be no real difference, if anything you should feel better because theres no anti androgen side effects. I read something about castrated transwomen having less T than a ciswoman, maybe thats your problem?
Before surgery, did the idea of getting your nuts chopped seem appealing? Or did you do it for medical or legal reasons only?
>>6303940
>>6305732
I have a hunch that the average cis women, would feel far more comfortable around a very feminine straight transwoman with a penis, then a huge 55 year old transbian hon whos had SRS.
Just as a gay man shouldn't have to become a transwoman to sleep with another man, a transwoman shouldn't have to have their penis inverted to be considered a woman.
Yes normies might claim its all about the penis, but if they met more trans people they might start to see things differently.
>>6308553
Yep, they might tolerate the tranny with the SRS, but just barely. Oh and notice that when a tranny gets beaten its never contingent on their SRS status, same with bathroom policing.
>>6310047
Think of it this way, if you keep your dick, no matter how useless, you'll have no surgical risks, no maintenance, no surgical recovery, and you'll save $20,000.
>>6310312
Have you MET men? Most of them would put their cock in a fuckin' wormhole if they had the opportunity
>>6310366
I did it mostly for legal reasons, I thought it was the only way to change the marker in my state. In retrospect it would've been smarter to just move to another state.
Medical reasons were a factor, I figured I'd be able to take fewer pills, and yeah, I do now.
I also was under the impression that it would be a way to squeeze a little more feminization out of the hrt - I had been on hrt for years and figured it wasn't going to do much more. For some reason I got it in my head that an orchi would allow the hrt to do even more. Well, it didn't really, so that was dumb.
I really thought it was a fantastic idea at the time. I was so excited to have saved the $ for it. And yeah I do think I need some T - sex drive is like 100% dead.
>>6310312
>>6310765
you're pretty delusional if you ask me
>>6302961
I personally think that if I could get working ovaries then I would fo it but the science isn't there yet so I would rather just wait.
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>>6310112
good to know, no girlfriend of mine will run around with male documents i'll make sure to keep this in mind so i can inform any ladies who may not know this.
>>6311004
>I really thought it was a fantastic idea at the time. I was so excited to have saved the $ for it. And yeah I do think I need some T - sex drive is like 100% dead.
that is super shit yeah pretty sure you have less t then a cis women now which is bad
>>6309646
personally I have standards
Had one girl call me a chaser then she promptly apologized when i explained how it wasn't fair to pare me with dudes who will sleep with literally any trans girl they meet
>>6310329
lol you are something else
>>6303676
sex can be spontaneous you just have to have a loving guy and keep track of bowel movements and douche after #2 then your clean rest of day...
>>6303940
no one cares about what you have to say dumb cunt. You aren't the gate keeper of womanhood
>>6302961
Because honestly i dont mind my penis, its probably the part of my body im least dysphoric about. plus, ive heard a lot of horror stories about FFS. its fucking expensive for one, it leaves you immobile for weeks and unable to have any sex for like half a year. plus you have to constantly dilate it or it closes up, that sounds terrifying. literally nothing about mutilating myself sounds exciting
>>6305531
most woman are awful narcissists
Open wound, that is all.
>>6312911
Thats because its only exciting to agps that fantasize about having a "pussy" and girls so far ddown the rabit hole they think srs makes them "complete" and "true women" when all it is is a reconfigured penis with a cavity that leads nowhere and isn't even big enough for most penises.
>>6312566
Seriously? You think human males have standards about what they'll put their cock in? And I'm the delusional one?
Ask an ER nurse/doctor sometime.
>>6312911
TransMan in the same boat. It's funny how only the part about bleeding once a month got to me, but that part is easily taken care of with just some hormones. Besides, it's just an extra expense on what already is an expensive transition. Even worse surgeon created penises can wear out which is terrifying.
>>6303940
baitfag, is that you?
>>6303085
ngl, it's fun for a time, but it doesn't last for most people
>I don't like making permanent decisions.
My mind changes a lot on different things. One day I'll be ok with an idea and after a lot of thought and time I might hate it and downright be disgusted that I considered an idea at a later time.
I literally wont get a tattoo for this very reason. And that's nearly as invasive or permanent as surgery. I also dislike taking a lot of medicine - I've been on way too much bull shit throughout my life to know that some of it has permanent side effects even if you stop taking whatever medication. There are really a lot of reasons.
Plus I think I look better as the sex I am - I'm way too masculine and I think I pull it off better. I look like a damn Norse God or something...or at least a Viking in general. I get a lot of male and female attention because of that - sometimes unwanted.
So, because it fits my lifestyle and I think that surgery and hormones and all that would ruin the hand I've been dealt in this life, I think I'll just stick to being male outwardly and believe whatever I want inwardly. I have fantasized about being a beautiful woman but I think that's where it ends for me, as a fantasy. I'm able to fulfill this on my own and I've had a few partners that I have shared these inner desires with. My current partner actually likes that I'm very manly and just happen to dress up from time to time.
Also - I don't always feel like being a girl its a feeling that comes and goes for me.
