>The trans community was doing well until one faggot decided to declare half of us fetishists
I'm starting to really hate this man for I finally found a treatment that has improved my life (transition) and he has brainwashed half the trans community into denouncing me as a "fetishist" . So thanks to him I'm considered a "freak" outside of the trans community and a "freak" within it. And they wonder why our suicide rate is so high
Blanchard wanted you to transition though. He didn't think transsexuality was partially fake he just wanted to find the cause
He was a good boy he dindu nuffin
Blame TERFs and society for completely misinterpreting his findings.
>>6297916
But half of you are fetishists.
>Muh lesbian in a man's body
>Muh I don't wanna lose muh dick so I can fuck girls and other men with it.
>Muh AGP.
>>6297916
Don't hate on Blanchard. I think he raised a lot of valid points. It is just that science kind of advanced past his views which were very progressive at the time. He still called for the "fetishist" variety to transition of it ultimately makes them feel better. See the various discussions about him in the various threads right now.
Like, I personally experience crossgender arousal so in a way he captures my experience. It is just that I can't tell whether that's all there is to it or, perhaps, that it is but a byproduct of repression. If more transwomen were open about this I'd know whether I should transition to help my dysphoria or accept myself as a mere fetishist.
>>6297935
He invented AGP m8.
>>6297946
Proof he was right.
>>6297916
Straight male fetishist pls go
>>6297916
how do you figure the trans community was doing well?
im pretty sure being a tranny before then sucked just as bad if not worse.
and Blanchard wasnt a bad guy. he is right in some regards. AGP is a thing, and some gay men, want to be girls so they can fuck straight guys...he just came before many modern discoveries of what causes transexulism based on biological and genetic factors.
also the world as a whole is a hell of alot more accepting than it used to be. There is legislation in place to protect us, and transitioning has become much more streamlined and easier to start with informed consent clinics.
so yea he really diddnt fuck up anything.
>>6297935
Most of them are just regular straight or bi men. But there is so much negativity towards being male these days that they want to be women so they can feel okay about themselves. It's a pretty shitty situation.
>>6297992
That's just not true according to Blanchard himself m8. Plus the whole shtick was researched decades upon decades ago.
"Blanchard says only half of transwomen are actually trans" is an /lgbt/ meme
But his idea that some people can be mistaken about being trans proved irresistible to our trans community, which is obsessed with passing, respectability, and casting out anyone that comes close to confirming negative stereotypes about transgender people.
>>6297926
Check out his twitter. It's full of TERF and alt-right shit.
I think some self ID'd trans women are AGPs but it's somewhat exaggerated how common it is. From what I've seen a lot of AGPs don't even identify as trans.
>>6297998
The funny thing is that he himself used the term nonhomosexual TRANSSEXUAL i.e. they're still trans. Idiots just can't look beyond the whole "btw transwomen have girl souls :^)".
>>6298011
He called us fetishists. Fetishist is a loaded term that detracts from our acceptability in society. Society will never accept anything described as a fetish.
>>6297935
>Implying a lesbian born in a mans body couldn't learn to accept or even love having a penis
>Implying AGPs are strictly tops
>Implying fear of SRS is strictly due to attachment to their penis
>>6297938
What's unique about AGP, is that Blanchard thought AGP was caused by a straight mans heterosexuality malfunctioning and targeting himself. TERF cunts get this wrong every fucking time, and portray AGPs as misogynistic mastubatory fetishists.
Now there really is no concrete proof of this, although its a damn good theory. It explains how one AGP could wear his wife's panties and have a fap attack, while another AGP could get all dressed to the nines and feel so beautiful and feminine with out feeling the need to masturbate.
Another possibility that the AGPkru refuses to consider is a malformed gender identity "circuit" interacting with a testosterone fueled heterosexual brain. We don't truly know yet.
>>6298000
I've read his twitter for the lolz, he has a hardon for 4thwavenow.com which is a terf-lite website. 4thwavenow is anti-early transistion(particularly for ftms), not anti transgender. So far I haven't seen him retweet actual hardcore terfs but I could be wrong.
Whoa, Blanchard's twitter reads like that of a gator. How weird.
>>6298000
Oh, didn't know that.
Fuck 'im then.
>>6297935
What does AGP stand for?
>>6297938
>If more transwomen were open about this I'd know whether I should transition to help my dysphoria or accept myself as a mere fetishist.
well you said it yourself that you experience arousal by crossdressing so i'd say fetishist
>>6298823
AutoGynePhilia
>>6298837
This is a massive can of worms. Some ppl say you can be trans and have a fetish, others say the fetish is part of a repressed trans identity. Don't forget that just because one is trans, doesn't mean they MUST transistion. AGPs can experience heavy dysphoria, but some may be happy with crossdressing and more femininity in their lives.
>>6297916
lol no
He considered both groups fetishists but both valid in transition.
APG was just a catch-all for whoever didn't fit into his category of homosexual transsexuals, which was his real focus, even if they were exclusively attracted to men.
His diagnostic measures for homosexual transsexuals included things like counting sex-work as a positive and many believe his work was actually an attempt at a backdoor to getting homosexuality classified as mental illness again which he and others involved in his work advocate for.
>>6297938
More like his research was fundamentally flawed since it was designed to support an agenda of previously held beliefs leading to bias in the data selection and methodology.
>>6298000
When you're short on support and an audience for your views you take what you can get.
>>6298393
>4thwavenow is anti-early transistion(particularly for ftms)
Gotta protect those poor confused young women who have been manipulated by the patriarchy and don't know what they really want, I mean why would you want to ruin your beautiful sexy female body :^)
>>6297916
You're just dumb for hating fetishists. Nothing wrong with being a fetishist and rubbing one out to your hormones titties
>>6297968
>how do you figure the trans community was doing well?
It wasn't. Blanchard was not a producer of, but the product of gatekeeper ideology in trans healthcare. He doubled the lengths of time the SoC advised for patients to wait for a referral for SRS within his jurisdictions, and rejected patients with more zeal than the Harry Benjamin institute did following the first public outcry against medical transition, especially if they failed to properly confirm his theories. He was not a friend.
>so yea he really diddnt fuck up anything.
His unfalsifiable and unreproducible studies to test his given-as-true theories have been cited continuously since he started making them as a means of denying insurance, medical care, legal protections, and social respectability to trans women. He has never reprimanded any person or group for "using his research outside its intended scope", as a responsible scientist might. As responsible scientists regularly do. He was part of the support and backing for his colleague Zucker's reperative therapy clinic which first tried to cure the gays, and then the trans when the former became politically incorrect through abusive, isolating, and often traumatic treatment methods that were justified using heavily doctored statistics with no bearing on the reality of the patients, their treatment, or the outcome.
Here in Ontario, most doctors and therapists still adhere to his more regressive and hostile methods than to anything remotely respectful of a trans person's autonomy.
The shit doesn't deserve apologists.
>>6297916
>trannies
>doing well ever
Lmao
You were only 'doing well' because you were stuck in brothels
The moment you tried to become accepted everything went to shit
Blanchards theories are pretty basic, anyone would have made them
>>6300422
false, false, false, false, irrelevant, irrelevant, the fault of other idiots, false/irrelevant, false
stay mad hun
>>6300536
> too wrong to admit it. Hurts when your incompetent heroes fail at everything and they lose all credibility, doesn't it?
Don't worry. There are plenty of people out there you can bootlick for based on their ability to make unsupportable assumptions.
>>6300569
It's pretty hard for someone to talk about credibility when they're a fucking tranny
But you can stay in your little world where you won the argument and you pass and people actually care about you
>>6300577
Not that person but this is an actual, proper ad hominem. First one I've seen in quite some time.
>>6300422
>therapists are brainwashed by Blanchard
Should I hide any remotely AGP feelings when i have my appointment?
>>6300650
>wanting to transition while having agp feelings
>>6300655
>muh trutrans
>>/tumblr/
>>6300666
>I-im a real girl, I-I'll be pretty just like in my anime uwu >_<
>devil trips too
>>6300569
nah I just don't like to project hate toward fetishists like you do
Guy here
How would I make sure any future trans GFs aren't AGP scum? Give telltale signs. Only thing I can think of is that if she wanted to have sex with me in front of a mirror.
>>6300650
Nah. I've seen over five therapists and while they were all shitty in their own ways not one of them insisted I couldn't be trans and was "just" a dirty fetishist.
It's silly to lie to your therapist except for suicide or pedo
>>6300765
>Only thing I can think of is that if she wanted to have sex with me in front of a mirror.
>mfw I think I started an Inquisition against AGP MtFs last night
>>6297916
>"mutilating my body is a treatment that has improved my life"
Except you can treat gender dysphoria with antispychotics, soooo.
Who am I to judge on anybody's decisions about their genitalia?
Some food for thought:
-Before 20th century science, all MtF were full-time transvestites, maybe some of them castrated/eunuchs.
-What's so wrong about a fetish?
>>6300942
antipsychotics destroy your brains
in fact any prolonged use of psychiatric drugs rekks ur brainz in some way or another (some mild, some really heavy)
>>6301275
>-What's so wrong about a fetish?
Trannies don't stay within their inner circle and try to involve people that literally don't want to touch them.
>>6301275
>antipsychotics destroy your brains
that seems like a very uninformed blanket assessment.
>>6301275
>-What's so wrong about a fetish?
if we can't have the fetishist boogeyman how will I find somebody to be worse than me that I can blame?
>>6301307
https://youtu.be/W79BLVp5p0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJjtZ0IJIEA
Is it a fetish or a lifestyle you moron?
>>6300942
>hormones and surgery are mutilation!
>but mind altering drugs that slowly fuck up your brain and turn you into a drug addled zombie are okay because reasons
>muh pimozide
>muh literal anecdote case study with one person that had questionable gender dysphoria that was never reproduced
Shit tier bait desu senpai
>>6301284
The same could be said about labeling HRT and SRS as mutilation.
>>6301283
>Trannies don't stay within their inner circle and try to involve people that literally don't want to touch them.
Any person seeking sexual contact with others will eventually try to "involve" someone that doesn't want to touch them.
>>6301284
>that seems like a very uninformed blanket assessment.
I'll concede you the "blanket" part, but sadly it's NOT uninformed :(
The people I know who have been on indefinite treatment with psychiatric pills are neurologically screwed up in one way or another.
Selective inhibitors of serotonine reuptake can lead to late-onset tourette's
Antipsychotics screw your cognitive functions :\
I'm not saying it happens to everybody, I'm not saying some people aren't still better off like that, but the assumption that you can pop psychiatric pills indefinitely with no permanent side-effects is actually wrong.
Dose reduction medication plans that aim at eventually getting the patient off the pills lead to less frequent relapse and fewer long-term sequels. Of course, this has to be aided with non-chemical therapy and a nice environment. If the patient lives in the same shithole and hasn't learnt anything, s/he'll get all crazy again.
>>6301317
it's retardation
Reasons why people transition, according to Blanchard:
>to please their own dick
>to please other dicks
>>6297916
>I have a difficult life cause im a victim and this man is evil
>No one can think but me, you are all idiots
>I will kill myself if you don't think like me
>>6301842
He is 100% right
>>6300655
m8 are you aware that your precious Blanchard was the one who said that AGPs should transition if it makes them happier, just like the homosexual transsexuals?
>>6297916
Have you seen Chris-chan or Stephonkee lately?
Pretending that transvestism/apg doesn't exist is a meme.
>>6302755
what? lol no
he is literally the worst, most transphobic gatekeeper around
>>6303274
He repeatedly made that statement. He is oldschool and still views homosexuality and sexual deviancy in general as pathological but he also supported the rights of AGP individuals of both kinds to transition as a way to manage the disorder if no other option works.
The world is not black and white Anon. There are some aspects about him I find unsavory but you can't deny his actual actions.
Ya'll faggots posting in a Blanchard thread.
I just get the feeling that more or less anyone ITT making anti-trans statements has not actually read Blanchard or any academic paper related to Blanchard's work. Or... like anything at all related to the man apart from oft-repeated memes. I mean like take the people who keep denying that he was pro-transition: even the wiki page on his work confirms that he was indeed pro-transition. It literally takes you 2 minutes MAXIMUM with google to confirm this as a fact, but people still go "nope, trannies are crazy, look at this scientician who says so!" Why? Why does being ignorant feel SOOO good? Why do people feel like knowing NOTHING about a topic in no way prevents them from having opinions on it and engaging in debate?
>>6303860
because their also-ignorant opponents perpetuate the meme
>>6303860
Why are you crying so hard though. Lol you're literally crying because you were proven to be a straight male fetishist. I mean go ahead and transition and live youre life 24/7 as a fetishist, do whatever you want, but don't try to deny that's what you really are. Another thing, stop telling real cis lesbians how we should think and feel about our sexualities and accusing us of transphobia just because we don't want to sleep with straight men playing dress up.
>>6309473
Where did this even come from?
>>6303860
Because contrary to popularly belief, there are those who believe that lying is right, and that being wrong is the right thing to do, just on principal. Even if they're just talking about the weather or something, in day-to-day life. Not everyone feels proud when they're intelligent or correct or tell the truth. Lots and lots of people find those activities very painful.
>>6309473
Note that according to Blanchard's theory the fetish is the cause of developing a female gender identity i.e. the end result is still a different gender identity of the kind androphiles exhibit.
>>6309473
Lmfao here we find the small female brain being visibly dysfunctional again
No wonder they're so easy to trick
>>6309591
>thinking 4chan is still the insular outcast-pandering kyrghiztani knitting forum it was in 2010
>thinking a board specifically related to sexuality will be populated by the likes of /r9k/, especially considering it's not about adam-and-eve missionary sex in the dark
>thinking a place where everything about self-medding, including dosages, isn't censored won't be populated and distributed to transgender people all over the globe regardless of social condition
fampai please
>>6303239
The problem is, under AGP theory, Zinnia Jones is the same as Chris-chan, Caitlyn Jenner and Stefonknee. Try explaining that to a normie.
>>6300765
Wow thats a really good question. The obvious sexual charge and fetishistic novelty will probably have worn off after years of hormones and living full time as a woman. What you'd be dealing with is autogynephilic bisexuality, so shes attracted to the idea of being attracted to you, but not physically attracted to you or other men. Porn is a big give away, she should be hugely attracted to tranny porn, lesbian porn, women in general, but doesn't show much interest in men in general or gay porn. Problem is, HRT might give her some degree of real attraction to men.
Also she should be trans from childhood, so most of her friends were girls, boys hated her and thought she was a fag, she liked barbie and other girly shit and she had crushes on boys in highschool. If shes huge into cars, guns, anime, gaming or other nerd shit shes almost certainly AGP.
>>6311759
I find it disturbing how comfortable you and others like you feel with the armchair psychoanalyzation of a trans woman based on a single sentence... to the point that you define any attraction or love she might feel for someone else as completely fake or artificial. This is some pretty contrived shit.
No wonder no one of substance listens to Blanchard anymore.
>>6300443
>anyone with an agenda to pathologize gay people would have made them
ftfy
>>6303274
He considered transition a last resort treatment that ideally should be used on as few people as possible but he considered both agp and homosexual transsexuals equally legitimate in their need to transition.
>>6297916
id say most of us are fetishists honestly
except maybe from trannies who have a mental disorder
ciswomen are fetishists too. they want to have sex as a woman, thus fetishisizing women.
>>6311759
Caitlyn Jenner is like Stephonkee having admitted to pleasuring themselves in the their wives undergarments. Normies don't even know Zinnia and Chris Chan is a cluster of mental illness with a side of transvestism/apg.
Pretending that transvestites/apgtrans don't seek hormone treatment is ignorant and is hilariously suspicious on the part of activists.
If you can't distinguish yourself from the crowd of freaks it's not societies problem. Distinguish yourself and don't associate or take part in the honfest.
ez
>>6313653
just hon thoughts~
>>6313490
No they're pretty obvious
Unless you mean to convince me all these 50+ fathers are really qt little lesbian girls at heart
>>6313793
That would be difficult considering most cis lesbians aren't even qt.
>People keep posting in this thread without reading it
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>>6297916
wait trannys hate Wolf Blitzer now?
>>6314525
Daily reminder that some are so butthurt they cast him as a villain in their new TV show. No wonder he can't stand us.
Ray I .. ;_;
>>6313842
mainly because they make horrid fashion choices
>>6311759
>of the same type
ftfy
there are people who get an interest in japanese culture because of anime and jpop but aren't like davido-kun
>>6314562
wachowskis confirmed for agp
as if it needed confirmation
>>6297992
That's not what people who aren't trans do to cope with their lack of masculinity.
>>6314698
tbqh I don't like what they did but I hate how the term is used as a slur when it was just presented as another way to reach the same point. Ray thought all forms of homosexuality are a mental illness, including transsexuality. He didn't believe that said people are *bad people* or anything, or that one couldn't be a happy productive faggot who doesn't hurt anyone.
>>6312052
Exactly, thats why WPATH got tired of Blanchard over a decade ago. The idea of AGP bisexuality ties in with the "male bisexuality is fake" meme. This was Michael Bailey's belief until he did a study that found real male bisexuals who were aroused by both gay and straight porn.
AGP bisexuality is definitly real however, but whos to say it can't morph into real androphilia if allowed to blossom, especially with HRT.
>>6314704
So what do they do then according to you?
>>6320725
Go out, hit the gym, get a work, socialize, eat red meat. There are a lot of ways to bring your T to a healthy level.
>>6315982
wishful thinking that estrogen is a paraphilia treatment? not at all my dude, that's why transbian gen is filled to the absolute brim
>tfw this thread has already gone through 3 cycles where people who don't know what they're talking about try to wield agp as a weapon without understanding ray's work, people who don't know what they're talking about try to deny all of ray's research and the rest endlessly repeat the facts to shut them both up
>>6298062
lmao u ever heard of bdsm and ddlg....
imagine if scat fetishists were this offended. imagine being such a devoted crossdresser that you were actually offended when someone reminded you it's a fetish and no one wants to accept you as the other gender
>>6321572
>sup m800 i identify as a sadomasochist please excuse me while i go around in bondage
Is not accepted. With that said I don't think convenience is a good reason to accept or reject a theory.
>>6321575
Imagine not posting opinions about a paper you haven't read nor understood. You do manage to get me to respond every time so props on that though. Guess making people sad over the internet is your thing.
>>6298000
>TERF and alt-right
Those two are mutually exclusive I'm pretty sure
>>6321601
Yeah, he's an anti-feminist. He doesn't post TERF shit. Recently he linked an article about how there are men at the top of every academic/scientific organization due to biological reasons and that the call for diversity is questionable. Oddly enough his theory is paraded by TERFs though. Kind of ironic.
>>6321601
The more butthurt anti-trans parts of the alt-right have a schizo relationship with TERFs. Whatever TERFs say about trannies is gospel and hilarious, but when TERFs start hating on men or patriarchy, they become grumpy frumpy retarded feminists again.
>>6321617
He retweets 4thwavenow, which is TERFish. The website is against early transistion. 4thwavenow is strongly anti-FTM transition, and pays occasional lipservice to MTFs. 4thwavenow promotes alot of TERF memes, like FTMs are self hating tomboys/butches, FTMs are jumping on a bandwagon, FTMs are autistic so suck at "performing" femininity, being a teenager/young woman in 2016 sucks so FTMs are trying to escape etc. 4thwavenow stops short of going full retarded radfem however, which is probably why Blanchard likes it.
I find it hilarious that a concerned liberal non-SJW mom who disapproved of her daughter's FTM transition has made more waves against transition, than the entire TERF blogosphere. Let this be a lesson to ANY radical feminist, your ideology is retarded and it will get you nowhere.
>>6321575
>strawman
>>6321575
I actually have seen a huge amount of pedophiles and diaper fetishists who are anti-trans and butt-furious at increasing trans rights and acceptance because they think that their personal groups deserve it more.
