Why are there no/few examples positive, non-stereotype representation of gay males in popular media? There are plenty for lesbians... I mean, I understand why str8 guys would want to see two girls go at it, and why lesbianism is "cute" for the mainstream...
But at the same time, if there was more shows like Blue is the Warmest Color and games like Life is Strange that featured two cute guys, with one taking the submissive role, and the other the dominant, homosexuality would be more approved of.
Historically, prior to Christianity, homosex was common, so long as traditional gender roles were upheld...
>>6284173
because normal people don't care about you
>>6284197
Gee, that's nice of you to say so...
>>6284173
Lesbians have straight man privilege
It's nearly as normal for them to creep on girls as it is for men to.
>>6284300
Funny that you say this. As a straight man I consider lesbians to basically be perfectly normal. Why wouldn't someone want a qt gf? But if a guy is gay then that's, you know, pretty gay. Obviously this is from my own biased perspective but I'm wondering if anyone else knows what I'm talking about.
>>6284311
Women don't lose any femininity by sexing up a woman.
They only lose it by being a bull dyke.
Few women walk in on a guy taking it in the ass and find themselves wanting to fucking the guy getting his ass plowed.
Non-masculine men are only enjoyable in short bursts. They can pop in a be like "Biiiiitch", then you get tired of them. This is why on Modern Family you only see so much of the gay couple.
I think that's the genius of Modern Family. There's a slow burning tension that is subtle but there. Essentially everyone on the show is such a huge goddamn faggot except for the old guy and his wife. The entire show you are watching these effeminate Dumphy's, Gays and Kids flail their gay little arms around until finally the two alphas show up and say "stop being such goddamned faggots, this is how you be a fucking adult, now we are going to fuck and you kids be quiet."
There are two types of men. Or there should be...
1. Strong, confident and masculine men who marry women and have kids with their wives but fuck femboys and eunuchs on the side
2. Femboys.
>>6284173
2 lesbians is seen as cute and pure, like two virgin women who will never whore around with men; only other women, and will eventually settle down with a man.
And besides lesbian sex being hot to men, lesbians don't make straight men uncomfortable (even if they aren't 'porn' lesbians), as to whether they make straight women uncomfortable? no one really cares.
Gay men are seen as dirty and degenerate. No normies are really interested in seeing two men together, as to straight men, its gross, and to straight women, it makes the man look feminine and friendzoned therefore unattractive. (there are exceptions ie; fat fujoshi girls who are rejected by straight men)
>>6284173
It's kind of a bait and switch. They'll give you lesbians cause it's cute and gay points all that but don't often let them live happy. Someone dies. Drama breaks them up. One goes for the dick instead.
But ultimately lesbians are just safer. Some hardcore anti-gays might roll their eyes a go "ugh all this homosexuality in my pure straight media" but poltards aren't gonna bitch up a storm about think of the children if there's lesbians as much as they are if there's gays.
There are some media examples of gay men though. Broke Back Mountain came out way before Blue Is the Warmest Color as the ultimate gay romance movie.
>>6284425
This
We just need good representations of femboys in the media so that we have good role models to look up to. Maybe it can make more guys into fucking us as well
>>6284879
Exactly. If you're going to be gay, be a femboy. Otherwise, just be a normal masculine guy who fucks femboys and marries/imgregnates women. The Greeks, Japanese, etc. knew what was the proper order.
And if you're going to be a femboy, don't talk with a fucking lisp or become a tranny... Just embrace your feminity without going overboard.
>>6285820
The idea of two masculine men is so f'ing wrong...... Homo would be more accepted if we stick to the traditional gender roles.......
>>6285820
Femboys are nasty tho
But all the power to ya faggot
>>6285834
femboys are natural and the most historically accepted form of homosex.........
>>6285832
There's nothing more upsetting for society then two guys doing it. Because it shows how the world really doesn't need femininity and to many that is a very scary thought so they hold on to very frail ideals. But it'll come crashing down soon. Soon.
>>6285837
Keep telling yourself that
Fuck all the feminine men you like fagalam
>>6285838
We do need feminity. The natural order is for masculine men to fuck femboys and marry women to carry on their name.
>>6284173
>I understand why str8 guys would want to see two girls go at it, and why lesbianism is "cute" for the mainstream...
That's literally your answer.
It's not about progression, it's not about tolerance or acceptance, it's marketing to the audience.
An audience that would rather we did not exist, and thus does not want to be confronted with our existence.
Thus we're never in a movie unless we die unhappy unloved in a gruesome way.
Which ironically is a pretty accurate depiction of reality.
>>6285869
If femboys would become the norm, homo would become more accepted..... it's all about fitting into proper seme/uke roles.....
You are looking for a turret-bisexual?
How about Axton From Borderlands?
>>6285874
>homo would become more accepted
They're not gonna accept it.
They don't want to accept it.
Even the most feminine of femboys still has a penis and that is immensely triggering to straight people who are utterly horrified and disgusted by the idea of 2 penises touching.
>>6285879
Prior to Christianity it was accepted. It can be again. But not if two fat hairy dudes start licking each other's taints.
>>6285887
>Prior to Christianity it was accepted.
That "acceptance" was bare tolerance at best and usually ignored/frowned upon.
>It can be again.
Bullshit. Christianity isn't gonna leave anytime soon, islam isn't gonna leave either, and their intolerance will echo through the world for generations to come.
Your little acceptance has more chance to succeed in the year 3016, that is if they didn't manage to eradicate homosexuality by then, which is something they obviously will.
because there isn't really a point to including a gay character unless you're including them just to say "oh look how inclusive we are we have a gay character"
>>6285887
>Prior to Christianity it was accepted.
He fell for the ancient Greece homosex meme.
>>6285909
>that is if they didn't manage to eradicate homosexuality by then
I hope once we get past our current PC bullshit culture, scientists can start working on a cure for LGBT. People can be gay if they want to, but they should also have the choice to not be gay if that's what they want.
>>6285869
you sound quite self-loathing tbqh f am
>>6286483
>"he fell for the [insert factual information] meme"
nice meme f a m
>>6284173
Approximately 2% of the human male population are gay. Why would you try to appeal to such a small demographic when you're trying to sell shit. Stereotypical male homosexuals are amusing to most people, which is why the stereotype is used.
tldr version: It don't sell.
>>6286500
>People can be gay if they want to, but they should also have the choice to not be gay if that's what they want.
That'll never happen.
If there's a cure it'll be forced down everyone's throat.
People won't be nice to us when they realise they don't have to tolerate our existence anymire
>>6286645
I'm not self-loathing, in fact I'm completely ok with me being gay. In fact I've always been.
I'm just not gonna pretend we're not one of the most hated demographics in the world who everyone wants to get rid of if they had the chance.
>>6285838
this gif is unsettling to me, not actually sure why
>>6286766
You sound like you feel you're being oppressed by the man, literally tumblr tier and this sounds pretty damn pathetic.
You have a false perception of straights, the majority of them in modern society are now fine with us, especially if we don't make sucking cock a massive part of our identity and keep our degeneracy to ourselves.
>>6286841
>literally tumblr tier
It would be if I hold hypocritical views, blame only one group in particular for the general state of human misery, hated western society (which is the only one where we have a decent life) and weren't completely oblivious to my own paranoid delusions.
>You have a false perception of straights, the majority of them in modern society are now fine with us
>modern society
Which is a minority. And of that minority there's a minority that sincerely likes us, compared to the neutral or hostile rest.
>especially if we don't make sucking cock a massive part of our identity and keep our degeneracy to ourselves.
aka being invisible and pretending you don't exist, never speaking about your private life and introducing your same sex husband/wife as your "partner" or "a friend".
The whole "I'm alright with it as long as you keep it in your bedroom" ends with them standing in your bedroom telling you to just not do gay things at all.
>>6286923
Straights who are neutral and/or OK and not hostile with us gays is a minority in modern society?
Please, give me a fucking break. You truly are deluded.
>>6287006
>Straights who are neutral and/or OK and not hostile with us gays is a minority in modern society?
Inverse anon. Learn to read.
"there's a minority that sincerely likes us, compared to the neutral or hostile rest."
>You truly are deluded.
I never said I wasn't, you retard.
>>6287015
I think I read it just fine...
The majority of straights either sincerely are OK with us or don't mind, you are whining about a none-issue in modern society.
Please, quite whining Tumblrina. You are NOT being oppressed by the straight man.
>>6287046
>I'll call him a tumblrina, that'll learn him
Oh gee I haven't seen this one before.
>>6287077
I'll say it again.
You are
NOT. BEING. OPPRESSED. BY. THE. STRAIGHT. MAN.
>>6287083
>aside from getting beat up for being gay, fired for being gay, kicked out of your house for being gay, threatened for being gay, and barely anyone sticking out a helping hand, you're not oppressed
Severe case of Stockholm's Syndrome there buddy.
>>6287144
that's a minority of straights who do that boo, calm down
>>6284173
>Historically, prior to CHRISTIANITY, homosex was common, so long as traditional gender roles were upheld
Hey what gives?
>>6287154
>minority of straights
and the rest just stands there pretending the struggle for acceptance is over because "muh gay marriage".
Really, all we have are a bunch of facebook slacktivists.
And let's not forget that your "minority of straight" is thankfully only the case in civilised Europe. A civilised Europe that already excludes half of continental Europe because they're uneducated uncivilised slav trash.
And that's not even getting into the hellholes called Africa, the Middle East and South America, where straight friends don't actually exist without you living in a 10 mm steel bullet proof armored closet.
>>6287154
I could give a shit about people on facebook changing their profile background colours to show how "supportive" and "accepting" they are
People are still getting harassed, thrown out of their home, threatened by their own families
Oppression is more than just "oh the government lets you get married now so stop whining"
you're retarded
>>6287207
Jibberish trying to convince me how you feel like a special snowflake who is being oppressed when the hostile straights are only a minority.
Literally Tumblr level of cringe.
Do you still feel black people are being oppressed too? Do you have white guilt? I wouldn't be fucking surprised, as for as long as some kind of bigoted cunt exists you will feel constant oppression in your daily life.
>>6287277
o-ok, sorry for triggering you anon, please calm down you seem a bit angry
>>6287229
Its a bit funny that you are complaining about someone wanting to force a stereotype of maleness when you want to instate a new stereotype of maleness.
>>6287277
"Cuck" is also a filtered word yet it perfectly describes you
Shut the fuck up you vapid fucking fag
>>6287301
You seem very eager to frame me as a tumblrina in order to discredit everything I say
Where have I seen this kind of debating before?
And why do I have this strange feeling that you're being a massive hypocrite right now?
>>6287327
I'm sorry Tumblrina you're trying a little too hard to deny the fact you feel like a special little snowflake who's being """""oppressed""""" due to a minority of straights who are bigoted.
Fucking pathetic.
>>6287341
>argues like a tumblrina
>calls others tumblrina
topkek
>>6284173
Well if you want it so bad, why don't you make a game/book/show with a positive, non-stereotype gay male couple?
... That's what I'm doing, anyway...
>>6287343
How am I a tumblrina, tumblrina?
You're the one who is trying to rationalise how you constantly feel oppressed by the man.
Sad.
>>6287284
Because you're just looking at oppression in a general sense in society. Of course it's fucking 2016 and everyone outside has a 'live and let live' attitude which actually translates to I don't really give a shit about what others do.
>being oppressed when the hostile straights are only a minority.
What if that minority is an LGBT child's family and they abuse and disown them, do you not consider that oppression because 'most people aren't hostile'?
I live in a fairly liberal area and even I get weird stares and people calling me fag once in a while, I don't consider to be oppression by any means but it definitely has a negative psychological effect. Ignoring this by appealing to 'but the majority aren't like that' is just irresponsible
>>6287343
>FUCKigng CissSSs sTRaigHTSs OPReeSSSingg MEE!!!1!
>muuHh OPReesSSION!!1!!
>n-nNo YOU DOn'T SEe YOU'rE THE TUMBriNA!!1!
>>6287346
>How am I a tumblrina, tumblrina?
You lack self reflection.
You get triggered whenever someone disagrees with you.
All you can do is frame people in order to discredit them.
You don't actually have any arguments.
You're so tumblr that the patriarchy is trembling with fear.
And because of your footsteps.
>>6287350
I'm not talking about a child being neglected by bigoted parents, of course that child is being "oppressed", but seeing (presumably) grown independent adults trying to scream how they're being oppressed for being gay in a modern society is pretty fucking pathetic.
>>6287345
What is a non-sterotype male couple?
To me its always where one gay is masculine and the other almost a drag queen or at least very flamboyant.
http://www.imdb.com/poll/ASlMy4GOWGY/
>>6287391
Ok, but then you go on to post a picture that says LGBT will never be accepted by the majority? Doesn't this reinforce the view that LGBT are oppressed?
Also I don't get why she makes the distinction between male and female homosexuality, as if the latter isn't significantly more damaging to procreation.
>>6287377
>>You lack self reflection
>He/she/it says, while attempting to rationalise how they feel oppressed by le cis white het
>>You get triggered whenever someone disagrees with you.
>He/she/it says, while going on hissy fitts when someone thinks it's ridiculous how they still feel they're being oppressed when the majority of straights are tolerant of their lifestyle
>You don't actually have any arguments.
And I don't feel you have any valid arguments to still be being a (presumably) grown independent adult who feels oppressed by the straight man.
>>6287414
I uploaded it for the wrong post, but it's still part of my point, people are never going to be fully accepting of homosexuality for good reasons, so grow some thicker skin for once in your life.
>>6287430
Sounds like you recognize that oppression (or at least a certain amount of intolerance and dissaporval) DOES infact exist, and will always exist
Why are you arguing with people that oppression is bullshit? Why don't you just start with it does exist but don't be a bitch about it?
>>6287417
RAAAAA I AM THE TUMBLR BOOGEYMAN HERE TO KILL YOU EVIL CIS SCUM FEAR MY CURVES FEAR MY BIG BEAUTIFUL BODY.
MISOGYNY!
MISOGYNY!!!!!!!!!!
Also I never said I had valid arguments.
If you actually read my posts, which you would if you didn't get utterly triggered like some fat feminist being told that their doctor is right and being fat is in fact unhealthy,
you'd have read about my paranoid delusions, something I literally said I have.
But of course you don't actually read my posts.
>>6287440
Fine, "oppression" exists, but it always will be for as long as there is some bigoted cunt in this world who doesn't accept you for who you are.
You can say that the oppression for whites, blacks and asians exists but they're really none-issues in a modern society.
I'm just saying that anyone who legitimately feels significant amounts of oppression for being gay should just grow thicker skin.
>>6287458
I'm going to keep bitching until I casually see cute femboys represented in the media without being ridiculous stereotypes or comic relief
>>6287451
So you're saying that you accept the fact that your posts are complete bullshit because they're actually just delusions? Lol ok, I completely agree with you then mate
>>6287477
But that's what they are in real life as well. Why do you want the media to lie?
>>6287490
To clarify, femboys are to gays what bulldykes are to lesbians.
>>6287488
>So you're saying that you accept the fact that your posts are complete bullshit because they're actually just delusions?
Duh. I wouldn't have called them "paranoid delusions" is I didn't consider them delusions.
Still I'm gonna act like they're not.
>>6287490
I don't think that's true, I have a job, I go to school, I have friends and hobbies, I have plenty of my own life outside of trying to unsuccessfully seduce straight men.
Why can't femboys be shown as detailed characters with the full range of human emotions while also being cute and fuckable?
If they're only represented as ridiculous comic relief characters then young aspiring femboys won't use them as role models because they're so unrelatable
>>6287417
The anon has a point though. You're just as whiny and irrational as the SJWs you love to be oppressed by.
>>6287551
LOL
I hardly feel oppressed by SJWs, I'm just dumbfounded by their dumbfuckery
>>6287412
>where one gay is masculine and the other almost a drag queen or at least very flamboyant.
That's pretty stereotype desu. All this gay "culture" crap, with flamboyancy should be avoided; despite being unfortunately accurate, it's unimaginative, mildly offensive, and an overplayed trope that shows the writer lacks any ability or willpower to flesh out a character as a unique individual.
Also, all of these films seem sappy, where the focus of the characters' personalities and the story is "homosexual male BAWWWW".
I'm tired of it, you're tired of it, we're all tired of it. Don't we want to see a same-sex male family getting terrorised and murdered one by one in a horror game, or a slasher/thriller movie where a guy has to save his boyfriend from an evil organisation that want XYZ? Romance is dead as a genre.
>>6287568
I want to see the next James Bond save his femboy lovers from the clutches of Spectre!
>>6285820
>femboy, don't talk with a fucking lisp or become a tranny...
But HRT is totally cool so long as you like talking like a guy and dressing like one, right?
Nips already do lots of femboy lewd tho
>>6285879
make the femboy grow boyboobs and then they won't care.
>>6285874
>If femboys become the norm, homo would become more accepted
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBo9L82LXf4
