>My therapist thought I wasn't ready for MtF transition.
>Did a suicide attempt 6 month later because life was meaningless at the time.
>Took another therapist.
>Want to start hormons soonest possible. But France sucks.
>I'm 23 and scared of waiting too long before starting transition.
What should I do ?
Will I look ok as a girl ? Even if I start at 24 ?
(picture related)
Also, am I the only pre MtF who likes girls ?
I want to be a lesbian.
>Also, am I the only pre MtF who likes girls ?
>I want to be a lesbian.
AGP transbian. Not real trans
>>6251142
self med, its not that hard.
>>6251174
I would have a lot of trouble when my familly and friends would find out.
just self-med my man
Your therapist is right.
You can't transition if ur bells don't go off! Taking hormones is extremely dangerous!!
- Luv, Lilith
>>6251297
Thanks, didn't know there was that many trolls on /lgbt/
>>6251142
if u rn't on hrt now i could see them making a diff, yes. i would go on hrt since the effects of mtf hrt are so reversible anyway
identifying actively as a lesbian kindof sux and is really alienating but that's just how i feel, idk
>>6251257
you'd also be in a lot of trouble when you fall down on purpose to kill yourself leon kenedy. take the fucking meds.
>>6251378
this, you likely will have a hard time finding a lesbian who accepts you for what you are let alone wants to date you, but transitioning isn't a sexual thing. its a physical unsexual need so none of that shit matters.
>Will I look ok as a girl ?
I don't see it. First you have a receding hairline, wide forehead, big nose, no cheekbones and a male-typical chin.
You're going to need FFS for sure at least for your nose if nothing else.
>>6251464
>FFS
i'd recommend it yeah but the lower face isn't that bad
>>6251378
I say lesbian as a kinda stupid joke. I'm just basically more attracted to women or very feminin guys.
>>6251429
But, what I'm saying is that if I start self medication. My parents and friends will see the effect at a certain point and I'll have a lot of trouble. Maybe they'll make me stop HRT and going back to my man self...
>>6251464
This makes me depressed.
>>6251142
You're going to pass by age 27 so flawlessly you won't remember being male. You'll need to work on attitude and presentation.
>>6251488
Just get rhinoplasty nigga.
Your other features are fine.
This might be bait but you can't be a lesbian, you're not female.
>life was meaningless at the time
Did your theripist tell you why you weren't ready for "MtF transition"?
Gender transitioning won't take away the underlying issues of depression. In fact it may make it worse. Mood swings are not easy to deal with, and you will have more then usual if you are on HRT because even then you can't produce a natural balance of hormones (see female reproductive system) and if you try to live as a woman and you can't fit in as one physically and socially it won't be easy deal with either.
However, there are other ways to express who you are. You can still be seen as feminine without going to extreme lengths to do so, how masc or fem you truly are can't really change and others can notice it. Separate yourself from all these assumptions about gender, like a man is or should be this or that, rather you are man, an adult male, and all men arent the same.
>>6251542
Shouldn't have said lesbian.
I know I'm not a female, but I hate my damn penis and body as a whole. I just hate the male features of my body.
My therapist said I wasn't ready beacause I said I wasn't sure what was better for me.
I've tried to be more feminin over the time, but this is not what I want. I want to be female.
>>6251604
>I hate my damn penis and body as a whole. I just hate the male features of my body.
You hate yourself, poor self esteem. You aren't an unattractive person judging by the picture.
>>6251604
>My therapist said I wasn't ready beacause I said I wasn't sure what was better for me
Exactly, you are so unsure of yourself that you don't know yourself. You said you tried to be more feminine, but there is no trying to be feminine or masculine, you just are.
If you want to build your entire life and your identity, you can't be scared of losing friends and family, but to expect it. You then have to say: is it worth it? Having all you what you have now is it better to live fully as a woman?
Also there is compromise, everyone makes them. What compromises will you have to make to live the life you want to live?
>>6251709
But now I'm sure I hate myself.
It's either that or I'll certainly attempt suicide again.
My friends and familly already know about that.
They still love me.
So do people from non-english-speaking countries just never hear about self-medding or something? Why does this keep happening? Why do people keep wasting years on retarded gatekeeping when they could just start instantly?
>>6251257
lmfao, you're fucking 24. You clearly do not want it that bad. Stop making excuses as to why your life is pure shit. If you want to become a girl take the meds and stfu already. God damn cry babies.
>>6252052
Now I want to die...
>>6251142
Self med, this honestly shows just how anti autonomy all these failing euro and nhs healthcare systems are.
Maybe you'll get something closer to first world care once those systems finish going under.
>>6251367
How come, especially given every second thread is basically "kill yourself lol".
>>6252037
Yea, let's give out hormones and blockers to anyone to asks for it, great idea.
In fact, make all medications available over the counter. Want some Vicodin? Go ahead, buy some. Who cares if people overdose or use it recreationally it's their life, why should a doctor and pharmacist have to decide what you take.
This thread is a mess.
Now I don't know anymore what to do...
>>6252185
>This thread is a mess.
this thread is a waste
this thread is a big fat mistake
tbqh
>>6251142
If that's you, you're so irresistibly beautiful! I would take you as a man or as a woman. And you'll pass fantastically.
>>6252185
the consensus is self med and stop whinning. The other possibility is to ask your therapist how much it's gone take, maybe if she says something like 2 months you don't even have to self med. it's up to you
>>6252170
That's called contraception.
They're otc and loaded with ethinyl estradiol and androcour.
They're given to women as otc whenever they want despite it being more hazardous than straight up estradiol.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about, hon.
>>6252185
It's up to you. Weigh your decisions.
But whatever you do don't let mental illness control your life, but instead rational thought and reality.
>>6252288
>You obviously don't know what you're talking about
You don't either.
And another beta white male joins the ranks!
Its ok the arabs and africans who are taking over France will have plenty of cock for French women once they all pussy out.
>>6252356
>implying they won't go after French sissies as well
the day of apocalyptic interracial anal wreckage is nigh
>>6251142
You'll pass fine. The only reason why people say your nose is big of because your camera has a wide field of view. Everything about your face will pass especially your cheeks and chin
>>6251150
This.
am with op but
6.3.2016;
told me mom about https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/p-1313-procur-50mg-cyproterone.aspx but she is more irl face-to-face than just taking advice from someone online without knowing them but not in a stranger danger way - more of; see what the person says and suggest ye take before you just buy something like this willy-nilly.
>'you could /die/ if you take the wrong thing.'
says 'die' like it is a bad thing for me
>keeps asking me if i am sure i wanna go through with it
since age 19 [am 26] of talking about it off and on/having ddcup silicone tits since october of 2015/growing out my hair and buying female clothes - i would think i am sure of /this/. after all your talk about how i should not trust people that are trans, you end the talk by saying that you do not mean stranger danger and i should not be a MTF because am a male and should not take trans pills to be a female? lol!
sorry for this picture. i have a better one but deicide 'eh. fuck it.'.
>>6252356
It is beyond disgusting. Instead of going down in a glorious fiery blaze, one that would be equal in admirability and strength of message to the self immolating monks, this faglord takes 5 pills and calls his boyfriend. ggwp girl. You gave up on your country, the country that even enables this behaviour and in return expects nothing. Your weakness is a direct insult to all previous generations that worked so hard to build the houses, infrastructure, farms, factories and laws all around you. Worry about your passability later, save Europe with us first.
>>6251142
I normally don't humor such obvious compliment fishing, but CUUTE! You will make a hot tranny dyke. Unf unf.
>>6251142
24 isn't too late, that's when I started and I seem to pass just fine.
>>6252482
>implying OP looks like the type of guy who could fight, ever
>implying he doesn't have written all over his face that he is a beta sissy nu-male with the balding millennial syndrome who would let his wife cuck him with a black bull
You are hands down delusional.
Go deus vult-ing somewhere else, bro.
Sorry about your situation OP. I'm 20, ftm and will at least have to wait 1 year until testo, if I even get accepted.
>>6252452
>says 'die' like it is a bad thing for me
Because she's worried about losing her fucking son, get your head out of your ass man. You know they sell fake and ineffective drugs on the internet?
If your gonna take meds at least do it through legally safe means.
>>6251142
France sucks a lot for LGBT rights, one of my friend got so much shit thrown at her
You look fine, don't worry :3
Where do you live ?
>>6252518
i hear all these people dying from cancer or getting killed by something on the news and am like 'where the fuck is my cancer?'. not that i am in a rush to die, just my life since 2010 [grad hs and got on ssi with 500usd a month] as been like a slice-of-life anime and i have no regreats think i can think of. no debts to owe. no rent/bills to pay since i live with my parents. no chores to do but taking care of me wash once the bin fills up. i used to get the trash can and bring it in while getting the mail but since step-dad is back living with me - he seems the house maid because that ocd. i get high off audio. wear my ddcup silicone tits around the house but the shoestring digs into me neck so i have to take me tits off when that happens. if they kick me out, i will go to the police station about report them for kicking me out because i have MILD autism/cerebal palsy and muh LGBT RIGHTS..if all else fails then go to the ward for like 3days then report them again adding muh ward trip but i do help around the house when asked/needed.
also
>cares for me
read; http://pastebin.com/ZRND3ici
>>6252530
Thanks, I'm from the south of France.
It sucks even more there.
>>6252170
>Yea, let's give out hormones and blockers to anyone to asks for it, great idea.
Yeah actually it is a great idea.
If anyone knows all the risks, all the side-effects, all the permanent effects, all the intended effects, why not? If someone knows full-well what these meds do, yet still wants to take them despite that, nothing should be stopping them.
Also, jealous and bitter hon detected.
>>6252563
If you're in Montpellier ; go to ANGEL, I know a lot of people here and they're the best !
I hope you are safe now.
>>6252589
Thanks, I'm not from Montpellier, but I'm not far from it. I'll go check this association out, thanks.
>>6252312
Hey, if women can kill themselves with xenoestrogen and androcour as otc pills, then why can't we do the same, just with safer moans?
>>6251142
you just look like a gay dude
>>6252614
>exogenous hormones
>safe
Go ahead, win the Darwin award. Medications (and supplements) are only safe if your are taking them the right way and you where it comes from.
Doctors and pharmacists study and prescribe hundreds of medications out there so their patients can take them with as little side effects as possible and without dying.
>>6251488
you are talking about killing yourself. who cares what your family thinks. if they don't want you dead, you should do it. if they do want you dead, then you shouldn't care what they think.
>>6252645
You sound like someone in the wrong 4chan catefory
I am a closeted mtf at the moment bit I to dream of being a female in a relationship with another female. You are not alone there.
>>6252772
some people say the effectiveness vary by batch but the ones ive ordered and used seems to work fine
>>6252428
If you want, go ahead, but I really don't think your nose is that big. Even if it was, big noses aren't a huge problem, I'd think. Some ciswomen have big noses. And it doesn't necessarily make them ugly either; I actually like it. It gives me something to recognize them by, so that they don't look like the bland normal model faces on magazines. I know it sounds like I'm hugboxing and making things up, but believe what you will; this is what I believe.
>>6252842
fuck that. big noses are uggu. I know, i have one.
>>6252669
This shouldn't surprise anyone, but very few doctors have more than read a pamphlet about trans HRT among those prescribing.
My endo (one of two "specialists" in this city) is operating from a beginner's primer for patients written in 2006, and her next most recent is from the nineties. Both of these contain factual errors that were known to be so in their time.
It's considered acceptable for doctors to know nothing about our treatment. Consequently, mostly that's exactly what they know.
>>6252751
Because you have been brainwashed to hate masculinity by our jew media
>>6251142
You're good
you'll make a fine looking woman
>>6251604
>I want to be female.
Key is here. I'm the same. My mind is like 33%/67% masculine/feminine in presentation, but 100% female in what my brain expects my body to be.
>My therapist said I wasn't ready beacause I said I wasn't sure what was better for me.
I'm not sure any of us really know 100%. This is the other key, you need to be sure for your therapist. The nice thing about HRT is it has some mental effects. Getting rid of your testosterone, and going on estrogen, will tell you if you find it better or not. It's a better than 99% corelative test for being transgender.
>>6251142
I thought you were Bran Stark
>>6252669
>Darwin award
by taking the exact same thing as otc contraception?
Sorry, but nothing terrible has come from that, why don't you go take your Susan's crap elsewhere, old man.
You're pretty OP, you remind me of this bi girl from college I had a crush on
