I've always been on the fence of having sex casually being an okay thing or not, I'd do it very very rarely but enough to question my own morality because of it
Last night one of the few people I ever did casually fuck (not in a relationship or anything like that, just friends) invites me to his apartment for an orgy with 12-13 guys all our age (18-25) and seeing as it was a bug fantasy and I have no idea if I'd ever get the opportunity, I showed up with the condition that if I felt uncomfortable I'd leave immediately
> Arrive to said apartment, pretty awkward at first as people show up and kinda make small talk in their boxers
> host and friend pulls me into him and starts making out
> triggers chain reaction of stripping and touching with everyone else
> quickly devolves into multiple groups pleasuring eachother in different ways, never going all the way to fucking though
> 19 year old guy like myself shows up, also a thin white guy
> we pair up and kinda admittedly we're the most attractive ones there
> at this point my self consciousness is thrown out the window with the strength of boners
> ergo we start making out and stroking eachother while a literal audience of other dudes watch
> never been so aroused in my life
> brave soul comes up to me and starts rimming me, another does the same to make out partner
> now have 5~ guys on either side of us just pleasuring us
> night goes further with a lot of (protected sex)
> ends up with me, the friend/host, the other guy my age, and the host and that guy's mutual friend
> just lazily talking and fucking
> the laxness of the whole hing blew my mind
I now understand why guys are slutty, I don't think I could even imagine a better night
Save me from my future degeneracy please, because it made me realize as long as I play it safe and never skimp on protection I could get used to casual sex on a pretty often basis
>>6241985
Yep. Orgies are pretty boss. Life becomes a lot nicer once you realise degeneracy is actually really fun.
>>6241985
Thanks OP you gave me a boner.
If I feel like I'd really enjoy it now, do you think I'd have good chances of having a good time trying it for real? Do you have any idea how to find such orgies and groups and such?
>>6242023
Like I said, this was kind of a lucky find for me because a friend wanted to try hosting it and happened to find a lot of young guys like us on grindr or just friends of friends
I guess the best ways to find them would be to just make more gay friends who hook up and eventually you'll find a connection
As for the having a good time, yeah. I'd say one of the benefits that became very clear within a few minutes of being there that if you get rejected by someone (unlikely in an orgy as it is) there's 12 other people who are game
It did wonders for my sexual confidence
Just be careful not to catch anything and you're good. The stigma around casual sex is a social construct entirely. It's not my thing, but I don't see why people should feel guilty about what they enjoy. GL in the future OP.
>>6242104
Yeah, I'm not into risking disease without knowing I'm taking the neccesary precautions
And thanks! Really enjoying the positivity this thread is having
Now I want to try this, god damnit OP
>>6241985
Sounds like you had clean, safe fun dogg.
Degeneracy is just a buzzword used by /pol/ virgins to shame people who have more fun than them.
Enjoy inevitable aids
>>6241989
I think you had it right the first time.
>>6243359
You should really expect at least 2 /pol/ virgins anon, this is lgbt we're talking about
Every slut starts out the same, being extra careful and all. Eventually you'll get to the point where your horniness makes you take stupid risks, and eventually those risks will pay off and you'll end up with the herp or aids.
The real 'red-pill' is realizing that with the proper meds, none of that shit is a real problem. The only difficulty with being a slut is finding a person who you can love and who loves you back, while also allowing you to be a massive whore.
It is possible, but it likely won't happen until you get older and other men are more desperate to settle down.
Congrats! *insert FF victory chime*
Calling it degeneracy while everyone played into it voluntarily and you didn't hurt each other is just perpetuating social stigma and insulting yourself and your fuckbuddies.
>>6244739
Well, to be fair this is 4chan and using meme words means absolutely nothing
But sure, be a salty bitch for no reason on a chinese comic image board
>>6241985
This is one of the things that makes me envious that I will never experience.
But I try to shift my mentality and be happy on the people that get to have these things expense. So good for you OP.
no better way to avoid aids than repression
>>6241985
>judges other based as degenerate based on their sexual behavior
>participates in orgy
How about you shut the fuck up?
>>6245269
I thought OP's point was that the orgy changed his mind on it being a bad thing
Leave it to /lgbt/ to actually have someone have a positive opinion change to offend someone (probably a dyke or trans) somehow
>>6242019
The Romans thought that too
>>6241985
>Save me from my future degeneracy please
Now why would I try to do that.
Not my fantasy, but it does sound pretty fun, OP.
i'm a psychic and unfortunately OP becomes a degenerate, std ridden, drug addicted shame on his family and himself within five years.
at first he is shocked and shamed, wondering how he could have been so stupid to pursue pleasures down a sure and slippery slope, but as he gets used to being a walking disease he becomes disillusioned with life and starts actively infecting other people, people like who he once was, newcomers naive to the gay scene, and feels no remorse for ruining lives, since his was ruined. all in all he perpetuates a vicious cycle and brings much suffering to himself and the world.
of course, the future is not set in stone, he could always exercise self-restraint and not get involved in such sordid scenes.
HOMOSEXUALS ARE FUCKED IN THE HEAD
>>6245148
No salt, I just jump irreflexively on anything slightly resembling a serious self-insult.
I've been too close for too long to people that bash themselves because they've been treated badly that it's just become autopilot for me.
Pics or it didn't happen?
>>6245669
>hurr durr the Romans were degenerates and dat's what caused them to fall
Dumbasses like you need to leave. From rise to fall, the Romans were conservative when it came to sex, stories of hedonistic orgies are full of shit. Prostitutes were everywhere, but they were everywhere in Rome before the Empire even began. The same goes for fucking slaves; it was common practice for upper class men long before Rome ever existed.
Sexual degeneracy had nothing to do with the fall of Rome.
>>6248162
To be fair, and keep in mind I agree with you fully, sexual weirdness was super fucking common to the point of just being disgustingly hedonistic, what with the vast majority of Caeser's descendants of the throne participated in some fucking weird stuff that probably harmed them in the long run. (What with VD being like the common cold in terms of how many people had it noble or peasent/slave)
>>6241985
Now I wish I was gay.
>>6248162
>Sexual degeneracy had nothing to do with the fall of Rome.
That's true, but that doesn't mean that orgies and general weird sex shit didn't happen in Rome. There were all sorts of mystery cults doing pretty weird shit.
Obviously the idea that this led to the downfall of Rome is absurd.
>>6241985
i'm bisexual and a top, but at my second orgy i was completely dominated by this really sexy grizzly bear. he completely made me his bitch before nutting all over my face and making me kiss his dick and thank him. that's where i truly became a degenerate and i'm glad i did. i still mostly top, but now i let big daddys and girly boys top me, it's great.
>>6249127
Yeah you made it weird
>>6251738
Don't be a queer, poz the boipucci bb
>>6241985
Only ugly/indoctrinated people dislike orgies. It makes them insecure as they see it as a cucking session instead of something fun.
Been invited to a few kink parties in my life but never a full on orgy. Nice job, OP, sounds like a lot of fun.
>>6248162
Also even if you believe the booty bothered senatorial accounts of Julio-Claudian degeneracy... They happened about 400 years before the empire collapsed. The most prudish imperial dynasties oversaw the empire's slow collapse.
But let's blame everything on the homosexuality of the five goods, Julian wanting to restore the old sacrifices, and Elagabalus wanting to be a girl, I'm sure that 14 months reign is what really doomed the empire.
Orgies? Never. I'm so afraid of AIDS...
AIDS is inevitable, even with condoms. Also, there are other diseases too.
>>6259741
OP here, honestly the more details I hear from my friend on how he planned it the more suprised I am it went so well.
With the exception of me and a mutual friend of the host and I, literally everyone there was from grindr, which pisses me off because alone I couldn't find these hot ass 19-25 year olds
Serious speaking, don't go to orgies. I got HIV in one of these orgies.
>>6260843
Barebacking?
>>6260863
I don't remember. But I actually use condoms.
Please don't go to orgies unless you have two or threee friends. It's not safe.
OP just realized that the reason people can be promiscuous is that promiscuity is enjoyable.
We've got a genius here.
>>6260832
One of my dreams is to go to an orgy or a gangbang.
Then again, I would rather go to a straight or bisexual orgy, with lots of women. I'm sorry but the thoughts of slutty, nasty women getting banged by a lot of hot, qt guys turns me on.
Would go to a gay orgy to if all the guys were nice and qt and if it were my scene.
>>6261064
As a bisexual, I prefer women for orgies.
I'm very afraid of orgies with only men because AIDS. I prefer barebacking with gay friends.
>>6261144
Is the odds of getting AIDS really that high? Seems like it's something that you almost never really need to worry about. Obviously you should be careful, use protection and all, but it seems like the risk really isn't that high.
Right? Am I right here?
>>6261229
Yeah, the risk isn't that high if you protect yourself. (Make sure you always wear protection, never hook up if you have a cut near/on your genitals or near/on your mouth. Don't brush your teeth before having sex/immediatly after having sex, wash your hands etc) really just basic hygene stuff
The thing people don't like to mention about why HIV/AIDS is such a risk is because so, SO many gay guys will still bareback with hookups because they either
> a.) think they won't ever get it
or
> b.) fall for stupid excuses like "oh I can't get hard with a condom on, oh latex irritates me, oh you're top you don't have to worry about protection, only the bottom does"
And despite this being common knowledge as a bad thing it's fucking ridiculous how many guys think they can get away with it, and then the unlucky %5 catch the bug, most of them don't even realize it till they spread it around to several people and finally start noticing symptoms, and/or they don't care about accidentally infecting strangers because they feel depressed they got it in the first place.
t. Sexual Disease Clinic Volunteer Dr on weekends
>>6261229
Depends on location and type of partner I'd think. Not to be racist but blacks would be more prone to it, as would people in the middle of their slut cycle, think late 20s/30s up probably. As for location if you do it with people from africa, south america, or the heavily gay cities like San Francisco you're just asking for trouble.
That said I've seen videos of a bottom taking one guy after the other all bare and it makes me hard as diamonds. Would never do it myself unless everyone was completely clean magically, but I'm still allowed fantasies right.
>>6261280
>then the unlucky %5 catch the bug, most of them don't even realize it till they spread it around to several people and finally start noticing symptoms
I'm curious about this, how long does it take for HIV to properly affect the new host, and then be able to be transfered to the next one, is it instant? Like say someone caught it on a Monday night hookup, would that then infect a different guy they hookup with on Tuesday. Also what kind of symptoms do they get and how soon? I thought most of them could easily be dismissed as something else unless they get tested, and they don't show up until a long time after catching it.
>>6261280
cont.
And it's so fucking sad when we have to drill their confessions of who they slept with so we can contact them so they can get treatment too, and you can just see that soul crushing depression and regret that they sacrificed several decades of their lives, a healthy sexual relationship with a comitted lover in the future, an inability to ever have healthy children without risking the child and mother (even invitro fertilization), they'll never be able to get a transplant if (god forbid) they need organs because HIV positive recipients have to recieve from an HIV positive donor or else they don't get on a wait list, they can't work in a numbe rof industries anymore, their family often has to find out in order to render care for them in an emergency, families get torn apart when they have to not only come out but also explain they have HIV, they'll be treated like lepers by most general practitioners and nurses that take triple precautions to not accidentally get infected, a lot of surgeons will refuse care with the excuse of offering specialists, they will always have to explain to anyone close to them that hey can't share drinks/cigs/vapes/bottles whatever because saliva can transfer HIV in a lot of cases, if they ever blees they run the risk of infecting people days after the blood dries up, if they don't know they have HIV they continue the cycle because HIV doesn't present strong symptoms for YEARS,
Do you understand how many people even a normal amount of hookups for he average gay male?
/upwards of 10/
I'm sorry guys I'm crying very hard right now.
Please, if an anon can do anything for you just be careful, have fun, have origes, whatever, just be fucking smart and don't destroy yourselves like these poor guys. They live husks of lives and always have that "+" hanging over them with every part of their personal life...
>>6261315
I take it you've dealt with this sort of thing in real life before? Jeez man, I'm sorry.
>>6261292
HIV is a weird virus in that it kind of "hides" in your body inside your blood cells, so one virus takes over and it slowly starts turning your body into an HIV factory.
So no infection isn't instant, but once you've been exposed (cum in your ass/vagina/on your cock head, blood in a cut etc) it starts growing within 2 weeks usually and then the host catches what's essentially a bad flu, and after that passes they'll be fine for potentially decades before HIV suddenly turns into AIDS and they die within a year of that transition.
It's homestly scarier than cancer, a literal ticking time bomb inside you, with no cure and not one in sight for atleast the next two decades
I came to this sub to bitch about this http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/05/23/heres-the-punishment-canadians-found-guilty-of-anti-transgender-speech-could-soon-face/
But you gave me a boner first, thanks OP.
>>6261329
I'm the anon who's a Dr at a sexual health clinic, so yeah, been dealing with it for a couple years since I started volunteering there. I generally handle the gay patients out of personal choice seeing as I can relate (Not about HIV but about the difficulties a gay/bi man can face)
And you just see so many young guys (some almost as young as 15-16 in a quite a few cases I've seen) come in with that same nervous laugh like "oh I always use protection haha just checking" and then they get the positive reault and you just see hem fucking break in front of you.
You just see the light leave their eyes because there is just no way to feel okay, and I do my damndest to comfort them and help get them treatment, but so many won't even go get medicine because they don't understand the disease or don't want to risk someone finding out.
It's terrifying what sex + igorance or cockiness can do.
>>6245269
Did you even read the post, fuck off dense motherfucker.
>>6261333
HIV predominantly affects your bone marrow, not your blood cells (yes, it is in your blood, but technically if you're on medication your blood has undetectable levels whereas your bone marrow is where hiv is replicated and where medication cannot enter in large enough amounts). White blood cells, which is what HIV destroy, come from your bone marrow. Bone marrow transplants actually cure HIV, it's been done in the past for leukemia treatment, but it of course has a high chance of death.
That's where the whole thing of hiv "hiding" in your body comes from. It's in a part of your body that is hugely resistant to nearly all molecules, especially drugs. Hence the difficulty in curing it.
>>6261351
Sorry for bring the thread's mood down, I don't know what came over me.
Guess it's just been building up for awhile now.
>>6261364
That's what I meant by hiding in your blood, just a simplified explanation for 4chan.
But it does highly affect red blood cells, which when unmedicated do the same thing as blood marrow in that the virus will jump from infected cells to clean ones and continue multiplying
Also, the bone marrow transplant is a rumor, it hides in numerous places in the body like some fatty tissues, mucuous membraines both internal and external, etc. even if you do survive a full body transplant (you won't, even if you do you'll be doing PT for the forseeable future with a million dollar surggery bill)
>>6261351
Jeez, that's sad, man.
>>6261378
>>6261364
>>6261351
>reading this shit
>bit of a hypochondriac
Is getting tested expensive or like they need samples of various different things, or is it just taking some blood and covered under the NHS you think? I don't take any risks and have only been with a couple of guys, both who I was their first guy, both with condoms and all, but reading this shit makes me so scared regardless and only way to get rid of irrational fear of it is to get tested right.
>>6261445
Getting tested for HIV is free in most places. Just google "free hiv testing *nearby city goes here*" they do a cheek swab and usually draw some blood.
Fun talk about orgies and boners turns into depressing shit fest
This is why our community is unhealthy guys so fucking negative
Jesus anon HIV isn't supposed to be that scary you ass
>>6263543
It's an incurable disease that will kill you unless you go on drugs for the rest of your life.
It's pretty damn scary.
>>6263558
And even when on drugs, will still eventually kill you, just much much slower
>>6261351
Well that's what they get for degenerate af
