Why is it that transgirls seem to hate feminism and (cis) women so much? It's obvious why gay boys do, but why do transwomen always try to maintain and defend their masculinity when it comes to topics such as feminism?
Btw I'm not talking about TERFism. This is feminism in general.
cause its based on lies and bullying
>>6241279
citation needed.
i'm trans, i'm a feminist, and i hate men, not women.
Because when it comes down to it there really isn't much of a difference between terfs and regular feminists.
>>6241279
>always try to maintain and defend their masculinity when it comes to topics such as feminism?
You're probably bait, but you're conflating femboys and actual mtfs. Of course we're going to hang on to our version of masculinity when we think of ourselves as boys.
And given how radfems have been instrumental in passing writing and harassing the opponents of the antigay laws in Mississippi and North Carolina, we've got good reason for thinking they hate everyone gay and trans.
It's their doing that all antidiscirmination laws are now illegal in NC. It's also their doing that I'd I'm fired or cheated out of a contract I'm legally banned from suing I'd they say the reason they stole was cause I'm gay. They're working with antigay fundamentalists.
How could you want me to embrace people who've passed laws making us second class and are out to run us all into the gutters? It's just another version of God hates fags, just with a different religion.
>>6241279
they can't escape their male brains which operate on facts and logic, making them incompatible with feminism
>>6241302
same here
>>6241279
Personally I just hate everyone...
Why do people even give this much of a shit, we're going to be dead soon enough anyways. Why not sit back and just try to enjoy life, right?
Life's to short to worry about bullshit.
>>6241302
you're probably ugly and a hon
hot women/mtfs don't hate men, that's a fact. they looooooove the beneifts of male attention
sorry to wake you up to the root of your butthurt
>>6242043
>>6242043
Not her. Anyways, I get plenty of male attention, and it feels great, but I still kinda hate them. Which is extra unfortunate since I'm primarily attracted to them. Feels bad man.
Getting bullied and abused by one sex for your entire life is bound to make you hate that sex.
They need a boogeyman and feminism is convenient because hating women and feminism is very popular already.
It's the equivalent of joining in when the fat nerd gets bullied, even when you don't hate the fat nerd. But they do it anyway to fit in with the rest of the group.
>>6242065
You only deal with bullying in a relationship if you aren't hot.
Hot girls have options, so if they are bullied, they just move on and find someone to their liking
Hons/ugos girls get mad because once they find someone who is attractive that likes them, but is abusive in any way, they know they can't attract anything better, so they have put up with it, or run the risk of settling for less
Highly desirable women/mtfs do not have this problem. Therefore they do not develop that pent up resentment that unattractive mtfs/women develop.
Again, ugs/hons don't have options. This is why sjw femenists tend to be ugly.
>>I get plenty of male attention, and it feels great, but I still kinda hate them
I'm not trying to be mean, but you're probably not super hot.
You realize that MTFs, even unpassable ones, can get a lot of attention from men, because they're so scarce?
When supply << demand, that tends to happen.
>>6242129
So you started with an assumption, that I'm ugly, and are now moving backward from that assumption to justify the fact I'm ugly despite all evidence.
Hint: not every woman (cis or trans) is so spineless and unprincipled that some male attention will make them give up their beliefs.
>>6241279
> transwomen always try to maintain and defend their masculinity when it comes to topics such as feminism
sounds like your own preconceptions.
People are shit op. you me them, all of us. Accepting that fact and trying not to lord it over other people is part of life that is optional. If transgirls and feminists seem to be at eachothers throats, its mostly going to be TERF related, even if it isn't. after all, humans are nothing if not vindictive, if a terf pissed off a transwoman, all they have to do is decide theyre all bad. and thats the most human thing they could do. It takes effort not to do that. It takes effort to be tolerant.
Feminists and transgirls are lazy, just like any member of humanity. And so they are fated to fight as long as they remain easy targets for one another because of past grievances. The fact that the only lesbian general on /lgbt/ does not want any trans people to post at all in that thread regardless of how little they talk about trans things, shows a severe lack of acceptance or tolerance. This problem may not be a big deal where you are anon. but it is pretty polarized here. there used to be two generals. but vanilla lesgen is dead.
>>6241337
Wow, gayfag here and this post actually opened my eyes a lot to your type of thinking in a good way
Good on you trans, you beat the stereotype of being a whiney shithead
>>6242183
> regardless of how little they talk about trans things
They did have trans women coming in and bring it up over and over, while the other lesbians just wanted to talk about lesbian things. That one is a classic case of a couple of people ruining the fun for everyone else.
>>6242211
there are people who come into the mtfg threads and shout that we're not women too. we don't tell non mtf's to stay out because of it. but it is a thing humans will get worked up over, so It's not like i'm dismissing it's plausibility.
It's all meaningless though. but it gets them what they want i guess. work up all of eachother so even the lesbians who where originally on the fence are upset, and foster a hostile environment to anyone you percieve as the enemy, and suddenly your thread has much less problems, well, much less external problems. Internals are usually mixed when you take the xenophobic approach, but its the tride and true way of human beings.
>>6242144
I've worked as a promoter in a major US city in the gay/trans scene for 7 years, promoted for normie bars for another 2.
So I know a thing or two about mtfs/cis women behavior might not be obvious to someone who is a not around so many MTFs. You might have a handful of mtfs that you interact with. 5? 10? Hardly enough to understand behavior trends in a population. I interact with hundreds every week.
A typical exchange with someone who texts me trying to get into the club or bar without waiting in line or without paying cover is as follows:
They ask if they can get on the guest list. II ask for how many people are in the party, I ask how many "girls" ( mtfs in this case) are in said party. I ask for pictures of the girls ( you don't get to cut in line/get in free unless you are cute, its just business).
The manner in which the girls go about responding to my requests for information for almost a decade has taught me this: the overly feminist/SJW-ish ones that get butthurt about me prompting for pictures always give themselves away as HONS in the text exchange before they even send me their photos
I can spot a HON simply by the way she responds to me regarding the vetting process. Literally 2-3 exchanges of text and I can with 100% certainty tell if a girl is going to be hot or not. A decade of this, and your "hon radar", so to speak, becomes a well oiled machine.
>>6241279
>Why is it that transgirls seem to hate feminism
No, it's everyone with the right mind.
>>6242144
(continued)
This isn't some random bullshit I pull out of my ass, its because I literally work in the business of sifting out hons from cute mtfs.
I'm not saying all this to impress you, the reason I'm even mentioning this is to tell you that: you are without a doubt not cuter than a 6 on a scale of 1-10.
Want to know why? Because the 9's and 10s that were born with perfect mtf/passing genetics will never throw butthurt bullshit at anyone,least of all men, because they've been treated like princesses.
Sure mtfs might be nutcases/suicidal/mental (this is no secret), but they're not BUTTHURT. If anything, they're more entitled in the sense that they know they can get away with being bratty.
The life of a hot MTF is the life of a supermodel. They are showered with male attention: rich, good looking, fit, etc. They are swimming in abundance.
I can understand a hon might be jelous, it sucks: its not fair that some people lose the genetic lottery.
But I encourage to reaize that your bitterness without a doubt comes from insecurity and anger because you are not getting the preferential treatment that very attractive mtfs/women get. You're mad because you don't have their choice.
>>6242183
>what is tlg
>>6242291
what's the odds this guy is some fat hairy ugly piece of shit?
also a 6/10 isn't a hon. an ugly girl isn't even a hon. hons are either people who blatantly don't pass, or obnoxious idiot trannies who act like a 50-year-old caricature of a woman.
>>6242305
>>also a 6/10 isn't a hon
I probably hon or at least not cute
Though I don't need any more proof. Your reaction speaks volumes.
>>what's the odds this guy is some fat hairy ugly piece of shit?
You're not disputing the facts I lay out. You're just attacking me directly, in a halfhearted attempt to discredit something you know deep down in your heart to be true.
Seriously, open your eyes. Stop hating on people that have it better than you and claiming to be part of a movement for "good", when reality its just you being jealous of attractive mtfs.
You don't hate men. You hate the fact that men don't treat you like a highly attractive woman. Therefore you take out your anger on men, but its not them who you really hate.
>>6242296
>what is tlg
a place for discussing trans issues without having mtfs suggest that sucking dick will solve our problems. theres not really much lesbian discussion there on a general basis, but even if there was, it doesn't really provide the same role old Lesgen did.
>>6242296
a dead chatroom for 3 tripfag hons
>>6242065
>Getting bullied and abused by one sex for your entire life is bound to make you hate that sex.
Or if you were actually sensible you'd hate the individuals and not give into some pseudo-religious retardation that teaches you males, females, blacks and whites are all part of a hive-mind.
>>6241279
Because they're ultra jealous. At least trans men can pass most of the time because testosterone is like a second puberty. You can't undo a male puberty and bone structure however.
>>6242235
You realize that's because you deal with trolls, and whenever we used to not have the lesgen cis disclaimer trannies would literally take over every thread talking about exclusively trans issues?
You're the attention seeking whores of the lgbt world to the point where the discussion HAS to be about your issues, and that's compared to bis and gay boys
>>6241279
I'm a feminist though
but the old guard feminism were all TERFs and set back transsexual rights by 30 years
>>6242372
>being this delusional.
and I'm sure "all cis lesbians hate trannies" is true as well.
Can we be done with this? you're like someone who insists Gr15 is sensible and I have the patience for neither kind of bullshit right now.
>>6242338
Isn't that what you guys do to cis lesbians? Telling them that sucking a feminine trans dick will solve all their problems
>>6242347
if someone doesn't know the earth is flat, would you not inform them of the evidence to the contrary?
>>6242383
Well you can't be a cis lesbian and like trannies. You'd have to be at least bisexual to like them.
It's like saying chasers are 100% straight. It's equally ridiculous.
>>6242405
>my opinions are universal.
okay dear. you're right, your opinions are right everywhere. you can leave now, your work here is done.
>>6242412
And what makes YOUR opinion universal and mine not? A lot of people think you have to be bi to like trans. Even chasers admit. This isn't a novel idea.
I don't see why you think lesbians should be all over you when you lack a lot of what they're attracted to. I mean let's talk practicalities. WHAT can you offer a lesbian? Why would she choose you over a normal girl?
>>6242430
Where exactly have I stated a universal opinion?
You don't have to have a strong stance on something to be able to know if someone elses stance is lacking. I honestly don't know what you are smoking. you are swinging at shadows and making a ton of crazy unevidenced assumptions about me and my character. Quit it.
>>6241401
>male brains
>operate on facts and logic
>>6242291
This is so ridiculous. "Hot mtfs" often are not showered with special attention. What you are describing is a specific class the kind that go to tranny bars. Almost exclusively made up of hookers and porn actors.
Hot mtfs live normal lives and getnormal attention Because they don't go around blasting to everyone that they are some hot trap they just live as a normal girl .
>>6242405
You're using the wrong meaning of 'like' here, nobody is complaining about lesbians not wanting to fuck them, it's about completely platonic hate.
>>6241279
>be trans
>try to join feminist group
>literally get bullied and shamed out of said group
>went in there with an open mind and willing to give the ideology a go
Now I know better. Modern feminism is just a sugar coated hate-group. These mentally under-developed adults try to destroy anybody they don't like. As for hating cis women, I personally don't have that issue so I can't comment more than this.
>>6241279
Because trans women experienced whats it like to be a man and know that practicly everything modern feminism preaches is a bunch of bullshit.
Because TERFs.
All this infighting between different sexual minorities is extremely kekful in a very sad and sorry way.
>>6241279
More ftms seem to be feminist
And more mtfs seem to be le redpill
Probably because everyone grows up thinking their life experience is the worst, because it's hard to imagine what someone else's could be like.
People who grow up males experience more loneliness and tougher societal expectations and think that they have it the worst.
And people who grow up female experience sexual harassment and tougher expectations on their physical appearance, and think they have it the worst.
That is regardless of what you identify as, because you still grew up one way or another. Still, Both are babies who are incapable of seeing things from others perspective.
>>6242462
This Senpai
Male brains operate on anger and libido
Autistic brains operate on facts and logic
>>6242918
Tru
If male brains operated on facts and logic, there would be no religion, and definitely no religious males in 2016, no war, no murder or sexual assault which men commit the majority of
>>6242904
Can you find a single ftm redpiller?
>>6242381
And modern feminist try to brush it under the rug.
>>6242961
Sure they exist
So do female redpillers
>>6242187
It's easy for you to talk when Radfem/fundie laws haven't wrecked everything for fags in your state
>>6242291
It's funny becuse even if someone were to post a picture of themselves and be the most passing MtF in existence you would still call them a hon just to prove that you're right.
>>6241279
Because I don't feel the need to bully and marginalize men for being men in order to feel secure in my femininity.
>>6241279
I'm trans, a rad fem and as misandric as any other rad fem. Main reason why trans women and feminists don't get along is that so many trans believe they have to conform to retarded stereotypes of femininity because of asshole gatekeepers and the oppressive narratives they push on their victims.
If it's not clear enough, I'd rather be dead than playing housewife to a dick on legs.
>trans
>woman
Oxymoron.
>>6243039
ha!
he said moron.
>>6243052
Yeah, said trans. :)
>>6243055
trans moron
XDDDDD
>>6243036
Women could be whatever they wanna be... except a housewife or some other "misogynistic" lifestyle choice amirite? You're just another arrogant oppressor masquerading as a liberator.
>>6243073
Could be worse. Imagine being a trans mormon. The horror...
>>6243083
Could be even worse, someone could be you
>>6242211
Most of the "trannies" posting in lesgen are obvious trolls from /pol/ and gaygen because lesgen is the most easily baited thread on the site.
The literal autists amoung lesgen can't help taking the bait and using it as an opportunity to rant about how all trannies are disgusting smelly perverted aggressive men who no one could ever want which the trolls then link to in the tranny threads bringing actual trannies to defend themselves.
>>6243081
you don't actually believe you're fighting for women's "choice" when you're saying that, correct?
>>6242904
why take sides, why not just ignore the oppression olympics stuff and try get on with life
Because feminists are stupid pieces of shit who parrot things in order to sound edgy to all the other art school kids...
Actual thinking is not something feminists like to do, hence why feminists don't understand anything about trans people.
>>6243036
You're kinda an idiot, the reason lgbt doesn't like Radfems is cause they've passed laws that screwed over everyone gay and trans in the American South. Already mentioned here >>6241337
And they're now stalking anyone who's part of the antihb2 coalition. Harassing female journalists, PayPal employees, target even. Sing their praises if you want, fact is you of all people would be seen as a monster by them and they'd sure stir up a lynching for you. Go there and see just how much they'd welcome someone like you.
And yeah, they did screw things up for everyone who's gay too, so way to shut up other people.
And the fact you continuously keep ranting about men vs women just shows how hypocritical you are, splitting whole groups of humans into nothing more than cardboard steryotypes.
I might hate lables or the idea of doctors making me act like some revolting caricature of a woman, and I might drug for the sake of staying fem, but you sure won't find me turning everyone into a steryotype or ever calling myself a woman when I'm not one.
>>6241279
Why would anyone be a feminist? (talking about modern third way feminism). "Issues" like manspreading, mansplaining, catcalling, the pay gap, privilege etc. aren't really issues. It is all misandry. The pay gap doesn't exist, women just make different choices (getting babies, taking more vacation etc.). Mansplaining is not really an issue either. Women do exactly the same to each other and men, as the feminists claim to mostly happen by men to women. I don't hate (cis) women, if I did I wouldn't have any friends. So I love women, but not in a sexual way. Also; gender is not a social construct, if it were transsexuality would not be possible. Because transsexuality is based upon a simple fact, that men and women are different with different brain structures. The older generations in feminism actually fought for important things like voting, being able to hold certain jobs etc. The SJW feminists have all these non-issues mentioned above. Also, just like some black people claim that everything is racism, (modern) feminism claim that everything is sexism.
Don't just lump feminism with women, I'm not trans and happen to dislike femism. The policies of the regressive left are uneeded and seek to divide people more.
>>6241279
>Why is it that transgirls seem to hate feminism and (cis) women so much?
They don't.
We hate feminists, not cis women.
I'm guessing you're a feminst, because you think that you must hate cis women when you hate feminism.
Go and play on the railway please.
>>6243205
>I might drug for the sake of staying fem
>Ever calling myself a woman when I'm not one
Ok, so you readily admit you're a motherfucking cis male. What the fuck makes you think I give a shit about what the likes of you think is right for women, trans or not?
>>6241302
Same.
>>6242043
>>6242282
>>6242291
Fuck off with your projections, bro. You make male gaze seem as positive as if every woman who is not a man-looking dude should always aspire to be the biggest man magnet in the world who derives her value as a person from her looks which only enables a generation of brainless mtfs bending their asses backward to men's will. Look dude, it might surprise you but women are human too and they are not on this world to be your playthings.
It's also easy to name all the men's achievements while cite women's alleged mental "limitations" that only make women good at shitting out dudes' sons when
1. Men literally defined themselves as the default human while relegating women to a status of property. There are many dude stories that "prove" it including most major religions and the Dude God's Bible.
2. Men historically beat obedience and submissiveness into women slowly changing their body chemistry which retroactively reinforced their role as obedient baby makers. Every woman who defied dude laws was labeled an ugly masculine hon/witch and burned at stake.
3. Men are selfish parasites who only abuse women's bodies to produce more copies of themselves just like a virus would. General conscious only confirms that since having son is a "blessing" while daughter as we know it stands for "the end of the empires."
4. Ironically men not only hate the world but also themselves. Dude recognizes that that without a female he will go extinct and that is pretty much expendable so he came up with the "women and children first" dude-preservation tactic.
(1/2)
>>6242043
>>6242282
>>6242291
(2/2)
I am attracted to men but that doesn't mean I cannot be critical of men just like you can crave junk food even though it's not good for your body and actually is slowly killing you. I like men but at the same time I recognize that men are innately driven to destroy all that lives, to subjugate everything, to wage useless wars, to destroy the environment and to fight each other because muh protective husband instinct which men got from their male common chimpanzee ancestor but it's not like I "hate" them or dwell in a femcave and curse men 24/7 because I do recognize the fact the parasite is still needed for our continuation as a species.
>>6243463
>admit you're a motherfucking cis male
Psychotic twink on fem drugs. I see no reason to come up with fancy names for that. And quite frankly, I really don't see why I'm any less legit than you.
Sure I'm not a woman, a fag, but I can see what's going on in the south and I sure know what isn't good for lgbt and who's working with the fundies to pass nuremberg laws.
Why don't you come by to visit, I'm sure you'll get to see first hand just how much your radfems love you (they don't), I'm sure the locals will love you.
>>6241279
I dont know any transgirls that hate feminism or cis women except for the weirdos that no one wants to associate with.
>>6243504
Sorry, I'm French. The ones who keep throwing lesbians and trans people under the bus at every turn here are gay guys, cis transvestite sex workers included, to the point it's pretty much G vs. LBT these days. Feminists are really supportive in comparison.
>>6241279
Every trans person I've met IRL has been fairly heavily into feminism. It's only people on this board who are like that.
>>6243585
I'm betting 90% of them weren't even trans.
>>6243585
Same here, really. Even FtMs are feminists. Which makes sense given what they had to live through before getting to transition. Hard not to be a feminist once you've had a first hand taste of patriarchal oppression. Unless you have really thick blinders coupled with a nasty Pollyanna syndrome.
>>6243596
90% of the people on this board or the ones IRL?
Because I legitimately do believe that there's a large number of people baiting here. Like saying that they're trans and then also taking a big steaming dump on some other group. Or really just claiming to be any particular group and saying nasty shit about any other group.
>>6241279
Simple. Most MTFs are beta male losers. In those circles it is not uncommon at all to hate women. They're bitter.
Feminism is about viewing issues from a female perspective and making a lot of assumptions about male perspective because actual male perspectives are not allowed.
MtF trans had a taste of male perspective when they were indoctrinated into it and after transition get female perspective and realize that the grass is neither perfectly green nor a nuclear wasteland on either side of the fence so they see the flaws in mainstream feminist arguments from the female perspective only painting a picture of womens' oppression and mens' functional sainthood with zero issues in society.
im a trans woman and a feminist and i date a cis woman and i also like men (but am also scared of men because patriarchy)
>>6243612
>Same here, really. Even FtMs are feminists.
This. And, hard to not be a feminist when you have female friends whose thoughts, feelings and experiences you trust and respect.
>>6248364
Feminism is about oppressing everyone else, while pretending to be victims.
>>6242951
you have a point on religion but not on murder or sexual assault
>>6248871
>It's logical to commit a crime with sever punishment for short lived satisfaction
>>6248875
>everyone exists in the society I live in
>>6241279
Gay boys hate cis women?
>>6243181
>because no woman could ever want to be a housewife, ever
>>6243503
Are you referring to one man in particular? Pretty sure you're wrong about everything if you believe all men are the same
>>6243612
FtM just chiming in to say feminism is an absolute cancerous movement.
Just read this thread and tell me it's not poisonous, divisive and misandrist, while telling women they're perpetually oppressed by men despite Western women doing much better than men in pretty much every regard.
Egalitarianism is where it's at.
>>6242904
WOAH BUDDY, that's a whole lot of opinion and not a single citation.
>>6243217
>Why would anyone be a feminist? (talking about modern third way feminism).
for the billionth time there is no third wave feminism. feminism always had radfems, you only think theres more of them now because you're retarded and equate a time period with no internet and stronger social stigma that required publishing books to safely disseminate ideas to today.
>>6241279
Trannies do that because cis girls are the most loathsome creatures on the entire planet. It would be best for humanity if artificial wombs were created and all genetic females were exterminated like the vermin they are.
>>6251480
>Create artificial womb
>Create programable flesh sex robot
>Integrate them
>Women become obsolete
>Society falls
>Hysterical haywire sex robots running around
everything makes a little more sense
>>6241279
Read second-wave/radical feminist literature.
Real Feminism(TM) wants to abolish the concept of gender. People are reproductively female or male, and some intersex, and it's purely about their bodies, period. No personality traits or any shit like that attached.
Trannies tend to be *obsessed* with gendered appearance, behavior, etc. For so many, makeup, heels, dresses, etc. (which are all part of the feminine gender stereotype and have jack shit to do with the biological female sex) are super important.
So in some twisted way, while MtF trannies are on one hand extreme sufferers under patriarchy (they get persecuted out of homophobia and such), they are at the same time kind of deeply sexist against women.
And that's it basically.
Co-opted third-wave librul feminism buys into the whole trans dogma and is "trans positive", but really, radfem is where it's at.
http://terfisaslur.com/
https://transgenderreality.com/
http://genderapostates.com/
http://mirandayardley.com/transgender-ideology-noes-not-support-women/
TL;DR: Trans*gender* and "gender identity" ideology, politics, etc. are anti-feminist, misogynist, gender-stereotype-perpetuating bullshit. Feminists and genderists mutually hate each other.
Not exactly anything new, since transgender "women" are, after all, males. It should never surprise anyone that men hate women, and that feminists oppose them.
>>6251591
You can't abolish gender any more than you can abolish genetics. It will still be there even if you burn all books and destroy all references to it. If people grew up in a world without gender they would invent it again naturally.
>>6251619
I am not going to read Miranda HONdley but thanks for the other sources.
>>6251619
>Not exactly anything new, since transgender "women" are, after all, males. It should never surprise anyone that men hate women
Whoa slow down there bud. Trans women are indeed male but they are women nevertheless, not to mention hormones exert opposite sex gene expression despite the pesky WHY chromosome's presence. Lumping them together with men is an intellectually dishonest way to support your baseless point, bro.
>>6251527
Why the fuck would we need sex robots you stupid walking incubator? Holy fuck every single time, women just dig that idiot hole deeper.
>>6251619
Uh, Radfems are harnessing and attacking poor innocent females
No amount of nonsense justifies your stalking poor women just because they disagree with your laws.
>>6241279
I don't really know.
I don't get why people get so uppity. What rights do men have that women don't?
>>6251591
>>6251619
Right and that's why Radfems are lobbying for and passing bills that banned all antidiscrimination laws for gays lesbians and trans.
You also made it illegal for gays to sue if they're fired or cheated off a rental contract for being gay. They can't sue if the theif says it was cause they are gay.
And you're stalking female journalists and PayPal employees because they dared critizize your law.
You objectively hate gays and lesbians and you harras and stalk women who critizize your anti lgbt activism or work for comanies who spoke out.
>>6251619
http://endsexualviolence.org/files/NTFNationalConsensusStmtTransAccessWithSignatories.pdf
Sex abuse victims called, they're absolutely sick of creepy men like you hikejacking their suffering for baseless attacks against lgbt.
Really, do you know how sick it is that a man like you takes victims and uses them as weapons when they don't want it?
Take your sleazy entitled mentality and your myths out, women don't want it from men like you.
>>6251591
>>6251619
>https://transgenderreality.com/
oh that is really funny.
You're pushing a site that was created by a far right group that calls gays and lesbians pedophiles.
Shows just where your agenda is.
>>6241279
since when is being a sane, rational person who doesnt feel overentitled because of their gender "defensive of your masculinity"
>>6251591
>>6251619
Radfems don't realise that sex/gender is a subconcious biological system that is bigger than them. You cannot abolish gender, no matter how much you protest, whine, or legislate.
People will gravitate towards gender boxes, its human nature. Retarded normies can't help themselves, it's because of Chad and Stacy that we don't have "free to be you and me".
Instead of trying to abolish gender, its better to accept that it will be there for a long time and find ways to hack the system. That hack is transgenderism.
Oh and your magical patriarchy? Doesn't exsist, society is a meme that exploits men and women in different ways to sustain itself.
>>6251591
>Trannies tend to be *obsessed* with gendered appearance, behavior, etc. For so many, makeup, heels, dresses, etc. (which are all part of the feminine gender stereotype and have jack shit to do with the biological female sex) are super important.
Yeah and it couldn't POSSIBLY be a factor that gatekeeping doctors deny treatment unless a tranny lives up to that particular doctor's view of stereotypical femininity and if trannies aren't feminine enough in day-to-day life for your or whoever's personal standards then they're viewed as men and treated as perverts.
Cause testosterone and male socialization made me smarter than cis women?
>>6243036
You are a retard is what you are.
>>6252373
/thread
Every smart person realizes women are irrational and that they have no other purpose in life beside giving birth to children and I am not saying this to be mean but merely stating the obvious biological reality. I only transitioned because this way I can score more cock than I ever imagined.
Also feminism is cancer.
That's all.
>>6252381
Be careful about triggering the tripfags they are liable to trace your IP and murder you
>>6252315
A trans woman can never be politically correct in her gender expression. If she's too feminine, she's treated as a fraudulent man that's appropriating womanhood and upholding gender stereotypes. If she's too masculine, she's treated as an obvious AGP man that's flaunting his male privilege.
You can never satisfy the radfems' shitty, misandrist ideology, so don't bother listening to their bullshit.
>>6252652
I think Radfems are pretty misogynistic too given the way they exploit rape victims against their will just to try and score a few points against lgbt.
It's pretty creepy watching them stalk female journalists who wrote something critical about their laws too.
Ditto for how they're now ha reading the poor women who work for PayPal and Target.
>>6251712
>>6251619
Wouldn't that make them some type of thing between male and female if they've medically transitioned and are in meds then?
Since when have MRAs been more accepting and understanding of trans people than feminists?
>>6252719
forgot my link
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3amzj4/what_does_the_mens_rights_movement_think_of/
Some of these comments are spot on.
Just leaving this here. Don't even want to touch this steaming pile.
http://transadvocate.tfahouston.com/reintroducing-inclusive-radical-feminism_n_15514.htm
>>6252731
>>6252719
>>6241279
I thought reddit MRA would've been extremists who hated the different but comparing them to the Radfems from >>6251619 , they honestly seem like really nice and tolerant people.
I mean granted the Radfems are now stalking poor Cis girls like the lesbian people mistook for a mtf. And they're hounding her just for making them look bad. It looks like it's the Radfems who are acting like strawmen MRA.
Honestly I'm saying this as someone from the left who has been a feminist up till now. Watching the radicals bully and abuse women and rape victims just for disagreeing with them. Watching them screw over every sing gay and lesbian in North Carolina and do it all just for the sake of their war against mtfs...
Honestly, I don't think I can continue to associate with a movement that tramples on everyone for the sake of their crusade.
Maybe you guys weren't the Villans they're you out to be
>>6252719
Ever since most trannies are mras
>>6252929
You mean most Radfems act exactly like strawmen troll MRA.
Right down to stalking and sexual harassing poor women who did something they disliked.
>>6252886
you're wrong, MRA do that too, but theres no special group better than either MRA and feminism. anyone who claims that is baiting you or delusional. the hounding people just for disagreeing with them no matter how fucking ass backwards it is (weather or not they or the person theyre hounding are victims for instance) is just what most people do. period.
>>6253111
The insane trolls in pol, yea.
But I think it's telling the luminaries the radfem man in >>6251619 was holding up went as far as to sexually harass and stalk a poor Butch woman for the crime of having been mistaken as mtf and making them look dumb.
>>6243498
Evolution disagrees with you. Women are nothing more than sexual objects. The facts speak for themselves.
You're just a buttblasted hon ugly tranny who doesn't pass and gets bullied by men and has to take it out on a bunch of autistic 4channers. Congrats faggot
Vast Majority of trans women I know are feminists
You're on 4chan here which is why anti feminists are more prevalent
>>6252039
>believing the SPLC is a reputable source
Shows just where your agenda is.
>>6254675
Sure if you think all the white supremacist groups and gay bashers are the real victims.
Shows just what you stand for.
>>6254675
Whatever do you mean, goy?
>>6254685
They're not victims, but they're also incredibly toothless. You have a few white supremacists playing cards in a basement, and all the sudden it's "RIGHT WING HATE GROUPS ON THE RISE! DONATE NOW!"
>>6241279
I hate all political movements based on identitarian ideals
Hating the political, cultural "feminism" is not equivalent to loving masculinity or even hating femininity
It's just hating a group of people who want to be treated special because they're a certain sex or race
>>6241279
>Btw I'm not talking about TERFism. This is feminism in general.
Are you implying there's a difference?
TERFism is the same political movement of feminism, it's covered under feminism, that means all feminism is partly TERFism.
Otherwise, we should also welcome neonazis, because they aren't literally Hitler.
>>6251520
>citing /mtfg/ as a reliable sample for all transexuals
shut up
>>6254900
It's more like the difference between fascism in general and specifically Nazis, which is quite substantial.
>>6241302
Real talk. Why is it okay for women to hate men, but not the other way around?
>>6252711
I agree with this, transwomen are a different type of woman. They should be viewed as a third sex, but due to a severely transphobic society the differences had to be downplayed. Also, western society is based on two genders hardcoded to sex, medical transgenderism is a workaround for this western trait.
>>6257147
>I agree with this, transwomen are a different type of woman.
I thought a big part of gender politics was trying to get over the idea that there's just one "real" type of man or woman. That people are incredibly varied.
>>6254675
>>6251619
Oh that's really funny, first you go around Bullying rape victims because they say they don't want men like you exploiting them against their will.
Then you go making rape and death threats against some poor woman who made you look dumb by being mistaken for a tranny and getting kicked out of a bathroom.
And then you claim the splc is a lying group and all the neonazis are really swell guys.
And you say that's all okay cause you're a feminist man.
How creepy is that, using feminism to attack women. Radfem men are disgusting.
>get catcalled on the regular
>get advances regularly
>get sexually harassed even dressing down
>morons implying I should enjoy it and not be a feminist
Fuck off back to arcanine
>>6258045
I find you fucking pussy little bitches really hilarious.
>get catcalled on the regular
>get advances regularly
>get sexually harrassed even dressing down
>get physically assaulted or have to run for my life regularly because they realize I'm not a girl and therefore they take it as me trying to make them be gay, and attack me
And I still don't act like as much of a little bitch about it as you do. Get over yourself. I'm not even trans, either, just one very fucking confusing individual.
>>6258064
>implying I'm not trans
I'm mtf, I'm literally lucky the worst I got was an assaulter slapping me after finding out about the dick.
I'm still a feminist because I realize that empowering that kind of entitled bullshit does nothing good for women, trans or not.
>>6258045
Odds say you're probably just one of that creepy Radfem men who stalk women who don't say what you want.
Very brave
Find a way to control your violent impulses against women.
>>6258105
>odds
Odds literally is just a word to say "muh feels"
>>6258115
Right, cause stalking a butch woman and calling her employees and trying to get her fired just cause she made Radfems look bad is objectively right and just.
>>6258103
>im mtf
It doesn't matter, I don't even care about your gender identity, and I wasn't implying you were anything other than someone who appears female. Acting like a little bitch about getting catcalled is retarded. I identify as male and aside from some minor amusement at peoples confusion, I don't like being viewed by others as a girl. Yet it still doesn't make me act like a little bitch.
If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen.
>>6258147
>I don't even care about your gender identity but you're a radfem man because you're a feminist over things that are literally feminism 101
I guess the famous logic and reason men claim to have is only a thing when they're talking to their bros about serious, important things like sports.
>>6258147
Femboys are best boys
>>6258163
I'm a different person from him.
I just think it interesting you're cool with the stalking of women who made Radfems look bad. Even when they didn't mean it.
>>6258189
Why would I be cool with it?
Terfs and radfems are a stark minority as far as feminism goes. I'm not dumb enough to think the whole is defined by a small, mostly rejected minority.
>>6258194
Claiming they're inconsequential and therefore you don't need to address it is a odd form of tacit support.
Most evangelicals who Claim they don't support Westboro and don't hate fags, say they don't need to do anything cause the hate groups are inconsequential.
>>6258163
>woe is me I have to be cute, I AM SO PERSECUTED AND OPPRESSED ;________;
>I need feminism because I'm a whiny attention whore
>I act like I'm something different from men when in reality I'm just a boy who decided to manipulate their body into looking like a girl
If you were a real feminist you'd stop taking hormones or get fat or something because you don't need to look the part to be a real wombyn :^) because real wombyn come in all shapes and sizes, and that'd stop all that evil, evil catcalling. Lmao.
>>6258256
Actually, given how Radfems fearmonger about boys on drugs and want IC banned, it's more like she'd consider all body modification (save for abortion) evil and needing to be banned cause people can't be trusted to manage their bodies.
Trigger them by not giving a fuck about lables but taking moans when you're a boy.
>>6258045
Maybe work a little and move to a first world country. Catcalling only happens in third world hellholes like Turkey, Usa and Italy.
>>6258194
Interestingly you see a lot of feminists talking about how radfems are small minority, but you never hear them condemn them or their ideas.
>>6258748
You do hear them when you're not too self absorbed to see beyond strawmen.
Judith Butler wrote about it relatively recently, Steinem rejected terfs. We've had major feminist figures here tell terfs to get fucked.
>>6242123
>Boogeyman
Maybe some people just genuinely disagree with feminism and don't like how pervasive it is nowadays. Don't you think that's a possibility?
Why is it that everyone is so dismissive about the tiniest notion that maybe there could be issues with feminism in 2016? Do you really think feminism is completely and totally flawless? Do you really think there's no reason for anyone to complain at all? Really?
>>6243503
>all men are built to wage war
>all men subjugate
I come to /lgbt/ just to see a trap thread or something and I see the most asinine post Ive ever read
like your'e that uncomfortable in your own body that you have to project everything on the male sex itself
>>6259373
There is no conceivable reason for all the criticism they get, and most is absolutely inane. For every feminist I find somewhere, there are 10 to 50 people complaining about feminism.
Most of these are complete strawman complaints
> waaaah, feminists hate all men
> they're all TERFs
> fuck feminism
> women have it so easy
> muh female privilege
that are too far removed from reality to take them seriously. People cherry-pick the worst things anyone claiming to be a feminist has ever said or done and paint that as the essence of feminism.
It's like saying that being a republican is all about shouting 'kill all the faggots' while fucking a new guy at the gay bar ever night and cheating on your wife, because some Republican has done that at some point.
they arent covered by feminism
cis women reject them as failed men
>>6259373
>Maybe some people just genuinely disagree with feminism and don't like how pervasive it is nowadays. Don't you think that's a possibility?
> disagree with feminism
I also doubt that most of the people who say they disagree with feminism actually disagree with feminisim. That'd mean that they don't want women to vote, don't want them to be allowed to have bank accounts, don't want them to work, have jobs, or get an education (don't need one when you don't get a job and just cook and raise kids).
I am sure there are some people on this board who fantasize about all that (fuck you if you're one of those), but I am sure that most people who says they 'dislike feminism' would not advocate that.
>>6262072
Cis women are in fact mostly okay with trannies.
>>6256891
men deserve to be hated
>>6256891
It is way more acceptable to hate women than to hate men. Look around, check which one you come across more often. Take a tally for a day or two if you have to.
>>6241279
Trans girl here, honestly the vast majority of cis women I've met aren't feminists and when the topic comes up it's mostly "w/e" like they have no interest.
Feminists are like the 1%er's of cis women and aren't very likeable.
>>6243036
>conform to retarded stereotypes of feminity?
So are you calling the vast majority of women who don't mind being feminine retarded because you don't like being feminine?
Also why do feminists and rad feminists like yourself claim to hate men yet dress and act just like men? lol
>>6254864
This 1000 times this.
Judge people on WHO they are not WHAT they are.
KILL ALL TRANNIES
t. a man from kenya
Trannies ARE retarded on the grouds that they all fall for the fucking OBVIOUS bait.
>>6262242
please, don't feed the hons
>>6262097
To add - they are like people who say they 'dislike christianity' and if you ask why, they say 'the Westboro Baptist church are Christians and they're dicks'.
That's what most people look like to me if they try to explain what exactly they don't like about feminism. If you have valid criticism, go ahead, but don't use some outlandish fringe group as a representative example.
>>6262324
Your request for asylum has been approved !
>>6262059
Supporting anti-gay legislation and stalking and harassing people who disagree with them or who just work at companies that disagree with them is hardly "too far removed from reality to take them seriously."
>It's like saying that being a republican is all about shouting 'kill all the faggots'
Well that's not ALL of what republicans are about but they're hardly free of responsibility and blame when they support or refuse to reject anti-gay attitudes and legislation.
You can be republican and not be anti-gay but if you support candidates and policies that are anti-gay then no one is gonna take you seriously when you say "but that doesn't represent me!"
>>6262102
Only the terfs I approve of count, all others are traitors to women.
>>6263779
The Westboro Baptist church stalks and harasses people, too, but nobody gets the idea that they're representative of Christians in general.
Feminists have supported and fought for gay rights many times, but instead you pick out and focus on the single time when some group didn't, while apparently callng themselves feminist. I actually have no fucking idea what you're even talking about here - feminists were one of the first groups to stand up for LGBT rights. A number of them are lesbians for fucks sake.
>>6249107
You type like someone who'd be featured on reddit.com/r/asablackman. Probably where you got to thinking it's okay to pose as a member of a disenfranchised group to support their oppressors.
>>6243612
>>6249107
In my experience they tend to lean pretty far to one or the other side. My unfounded, anecdotal theory is that it's a way of coping--you hear "girls are like ___," except you aren't like that at all, and either think "well i'm not a girl/not like the other girls so being ___ is horrible and women suck" or "well i'm not like __ so people saying that are awful etc." Either trying to distance yourself from femininity, or desperately clinging to it because you don't know why you feel so bad about it.
Basically radical feminist closeted ftms are the equivalent of hypermasculine military-type mtfs, in a way.
>>6256891
Neither is acceptable but men openly hate women everywhere and all the time so some women say fuck it and stoop to their level
>>6252719
>implying mras and feminists arent equally retarded
>>6249107
you use those words and dont know what they mean.
>Why is it that transgirls seem to hate feminism
For the same reason transguys seem to hate menism and related bullshit.
>>6241279
Feminism is cancer.
>>6266388
I've always found it strange that FtMs don't become MRAs. Being a man doesn't suck, but its not the awesome privilege party that feminists make it out to be. I'd expect passing FtMs to learn this, and at least have nothing more to do with feminism.
>tfw a woman becomes a man and has to check their male privilege
>FtM
>Not a feminist or MRA
>Doesn't fit anywhere on tumblr
>Also doesn't fit in these threads
>Where am I going with this
>>6269685
Life as a women really does suck, and I don't know if it's dysphoria, just me fitting poorly into female gender roles, or if it justs sucks for everyone.
Add some sexism and sexual harassment into the mix and poof, feminist.
Being anti-feminist is defending femininity moreso than it is defending masculinity.
My guess is that mtfs, with a heightened imperative to maintain femininity, have a natural aversion to feminist ideology.
>>6262126
Bigot.
Feminist are sexist bigots.
>>6262142
Being sexually attracted to women isn't hate dumbass. What you see as "hate towards women" is women demanding superiority and special privileges for having a vagina and receiving deserved criticism for their sexist bigotry. Feminazis just say everything is misogyny that doesn't conform to their gynocentric ideology, where women's "issues" come first, second and every fucking time and men's issues are only ridiculed. If you look at things in a non-biased perspective you would see how much more men are hated.
>>6264183
Expecting to be treated as a human being is not hate. Men aren't robots. They don't exist only to worship, serve and compliment your misandrist fat ass, stupid bitch. Men are not obligated to obey your every command. Get off your high horse you obnoxious cunt.
>>6262142
In our society I see open hate against men all the time. Several official and legal policies discriminate against men, it's perfectly valid to make fun of and harass a man or even spew sexist shit on national tv and be hailed as a hero. Feminism is cancer.
>>6251520
Aw, crap. And I just blew up my last spare dog...
>>6270560
>female gender roles
What country or year are you living in? In todays world females are encouraged into joining all careers. You get the double privilege of being preferred over men in fields where you are already dominant because "that's a women's job" and in fields where you are underrepresented due to lack of female interest, you are also preferred in the name of equality.
>>6271249
Yes. Have you?
>>6271410
> in fields where you are underrepresented due to lack of female interest, you are also preferred in the name of equality.
And then in reality you get people who assume that you can't possibly do your job because 'women can't do that' or 'she only got the job because she is a woman'. Nevermind being treated like a very stupid unicorn for the first few days. But none of this is a big deal.
Gender roles don't stop at your choice of profession, they affect every single aspect of life. What is acceptable and professional to wear, where do you go at social events when men and women split into separate groups (people don't notice this much but it happens quite often), how close you can get to which friends before it's perceived as flirting and the partner gets jealous. I can do what I want to, behave however I like and chuck gender roles out of the window there, but I can't change how other people treat me, react to me and apply those gender roles to me.
>>6271104
> Several official and legal policies discriminate against men,
Shitty laws are not hate, and I don't give a fuck about retarded US laws because I'm not in the US. Stop crying already and fix them if signing up for a non-existant draft once in your life bothers you that much.
> it's perfectly valid to make fun of and harass a man or even spew sexist shit on national tv and be hailed as a hero
Which part of that does not apply to women? Have you somehow never managed to watch a trump speech or a sitcom?
>>6264001
They are certainly representative of christian extremists just like those who shoot up abortion clinics, oh wait when a christian does it it's just mental health issues even when they support it in huge numbers but when muslims do it it's evidence of the inherent evil in them all.
It's hardly even out of the mainstream when the running mate one of the major republican candidates chose has advocated for incarcerating and executing gay people or when american christians help shape anti-gay laws in africa.
Maybe when feminists stand up to those amoung them who campaign against lgbt you'll be taken seriously as allies.
>>6282501
>Maybe when feminists stand up to those amoung them who campaign against lgbt you'll be taken seriously as allies.
They do you fucking autist. Did you miss the part where a bunch of prominent feminists are actively campaignin for lgbt rights, including specifically trans rights?
Did you miss Judith Butler's rebuttal of terf bullshit?
Are you just an idiot with a keyboard?
I suspect all three have the same answer.
>>6264001
>Feminists have supported and fought for gay rights many times
>>6282550
>implying they didn't
We got anti-discrimination laws in the 70s here thanks largely to feminists agitating for it.
>>6282563
>I make up things that aren't true to support my position
>>6241302
Kill yourself
>>6282570
>implying I made up things at all
The legislation came with a package of pro gay and pro-feminist stuff that made things significantly nicer overall.
Are you just too autistic to consider a position other than your own?
>>6241279
?? That this happens is news to me.
>>6282590
Lgbt didn't get any antidiscrimination laws till the 90s, and then it was mostly just cause court rules.
The only laws you've passed are things like HB2 and that's sweetened with all sorts of anti gay laws, banning of ad, legal suits meant to placate your fundie allies.
So nah we never got help, if anything you're now trying to exterminate all of us via laws.
>>6282590
>The legislation came with a package of pro gay and pro-feminist stuff that made things significantly nicer overall.
>which proves that feminism fought for us.
HA! We've been on our own since the very beginning and this hasn't changed.
>Are you just too autistic to consider a position other than your own?
We've had threads like these, equally retarded, so I'm familiar with your position, and the knowledge that it is wrong.
>>6282631
>implying everyone is in the US
Other countries had them in the 80s, retard
>>6282649
Yea, so that justifies your legally proscribing every lesbian, gay man and trans in the southern United States how?
Sick really how you're cool with getting everyone who lives somewhere else lynched. You're no ally.
>>6282649
>other countries
That's even less feminism and even more proof that you're just making shit up.
>it's a feminism cares about equal rights for all episode
