>liberal mom is accepting of my transition from the start when I was 17
>pays for my desperate self-medding (then actual prescribed 'mones), psych, doctors
>2 years later and all is well, pass perfectly, will move in with bf soon but still be sustained by mom because he doesn't have a job
>she suddenly talks to me at lunch about how she met a transgender customer in her retail job
>raging 60 year old locally famous hon
>mom told her about me and my situation and how I pretty much fulltime as a girl and take a bunch of measures to pass
>hon is livid and says all of that is unnecessary
>told mom a bunch of things about how hormones are unnecessary (hon couldn't take it because of heart problems), how you need to accept yourself as you are, how you owe nothing to society and passing is stupid
>mom says i'm not truly happy because i worried about passing and don't 'open myself' to my friends and ditched all the friends I had before transitioning
>i explain the concept of stealth to mom and she says it's 'homophobia'
>mom freaks out about how she can't tell my aunts or her friends about what I'm going through and how I dont go to family meetings anymore or post pictures on facebook anymore
>says she shouldn't have to spend so much money on my hormones
>hon has befriended mom and will continue to try to fuck my perfect situation up from afar
Half of me thinks it's on purpose and petty revenge.
>>6184825
Get yourself fully independent, or this hon is going to remotely detonate your chances. Either that or seriously redpill your mom on what is going on. Tell her the hon is just a jealous fuck trying to sabotage your transition. So on and so forth.
>>6184835
Said hon is worshipped province-wide by left-wingers here about how she survived her suicide attempt and 'accepted herself'. Mom couldn't possibly buy that a near-celebrity and low budget inspirational speaker is somehow wrong.
Also, I can't really be fully independent. I'm european second world trash and jobs for young people are rare here, especially for
>women
It's commonplace here to be sustained by parents until you have kids, and to never cut the cord if you don't, even if you get married.
>>6184825
My mom has similar views to yours. I don't know where she got the, but I think they probably also came from a hon.
You need to go on the offensive. Take the hon out. You need to make sure you ruin her life.
They are dangerous since they have nothing to lose, but they are usually unstable enough to be able to be steered into complete mental breakdowns.
>>6184825
Sit your mom down and do everything it takes to explain to her that a 60 year old hon is not a good representation of how one should go through life as a transwoman.
>>6184855
I-I'm pretty benign anon. I'd never.
I was in an abusive physically violent relationship for half a year because my boyfriend threatened to kill himself if I left him.
I can't really take that responsibility, especially with someone who has a similar ailment to mine (but does nothing to treat it aside from deluding herself).
Tell your mom to lose the hon.
>>6184825
>get mom to pay for an apartment for you and a deadbeat bf
what a shitty child
>>6184867
Then enjoy your life ruined by some shitty hon. I'm sure you'll do great once you learn to accept yourself. Maybe you'll even become a minor celebrity and acclaimed speaker like her.
>>6184886
That's what I was thinking. What the fuck? It's one thing for your parents to support you, but to support your boyfriend too?
>>6184847
Lower your standards far enough and I'm sure you can get a job. Is it worth guaranteed access to hormones for you and shit? If not then I guess just deal with it or try your hardest to convince her. Maybe tell her that you'll kill yourself if you don't have hormones, as a last resort.
>>6184920
it's called having rich fucking parents
>parents support their NEET child at home
absolutely fine, it's their responsibility
>parents support their NEET child and bf at home
ok weird, but i guess i could consider this a "cultural difference"
>parents support their NEET child and bf in another apartment
what the fuck
no
>>6184987
My parents give me $1000 a month plus extra whenever anything comes up.
>>6184825
There's only one option left. Time to contribute to the trans murder statistic. Kill the hon.
Really though, sit your mum down and talk to her about dysphoria works, and how the hon's arguments are pretty much the same as a TERF's.
Then kill the hon.
>>6184825
Also what the fuck, how is this hon even trans? If they don't want/need hormones, think you can love yourself the way you are, and have no interest in passing, they clearly don't experience any gender dysphoria. They sound like a fucking cross-dresser.
If I had a serious heart problem, I'd get my testicles removed. If there was a risk of taking estrogen, I'd try and find a form of it that has minimal risks (no, not fucking herbs, but injection vs oral). Honestly, I'd have done goddamn anything to get rid of T, and produce E.
Don't tell me they call themselves a "transgenderist"...
>>6184996
...how
wtf
>>6185059
They love me very much.
>>6184996
my parents don't give shit
>>6185041
There's lots of those hons actually
Who think they are "fully women" even without hormones or any surgery
>>6185087
I'm sorry
You haven't met your relatives in two years and have abandoned all your old friends? Maybe your mom is right.
>>6184825
if your mom pays for everything, you have to live with her rules, opinions, and expectations. it's her money. it's her choice if she want to continue or to stop spending it on you.
the hon you spoke of only influenced and affirmed some of the feelings your mom felt before they met. your mom will eventually break and lash back at you anyway since you are not in-line with her expectations now.
either suck it up or get yourself financially independent from your mom. even if the hon you spoke of is out of the picture, your relatives can still trigger the same response with your mom anyway since you don't go to family meetings anymore.
>>6184996
Must be nice never having existed in the real world or had any actual factual true worries.
Your mission objective is to take the hon out and shoot him in the back of the head.
Briefing's over.
Good luck soldier.
>>6184825
>mom freaks out about how she can't tell my aunts or her friends about what I'm going through and how I dont go to family meetings anymore or post pictures on facebook anymore
I mean that part is kinda reasonable, they're gonna find out eventually and you trying to hide it could make your mom think you're not entirely comfortable with yourself. Trying to reach out to any older friends that may be accepting could help instill confidence in her too and if they're not too accepting you could even use it as an example for her about the significance of passing and stealth.
As for the necessity of hrt you should take her to actual specialists, doctors and psychs, for informed medical opinions and facts instead of just listening to the opinion of a random stranger who couldn't take hrt because of other health issues.
>>6186866
I have real worries. A check of $1000 a month doesn't make all problems go away. If you really think that you have a very strange world view.
>>6184825
>told mom a bunch of things about how hormones are unnecessary (hon couldn't take it because of heart problems)
fox and grapes
>>6186917
>If you really think that you have a very strange world view.
No I'm just living in the real world and having to take care of myself. Any real worries you have by default have to be self-generated in some way shape or form, because you don't have external environmental pressures on your survival.
>>6186813
>no, cam whoring isn't a real job
It is if it pays well.
>>6186937
I really don't agree with that, but you can believe whatever you want.
I know my life. I know i'm very fortunate, but that doesn't invalidate my life experiences.
>>6186968
I think it invalidates them in that because you are not independent and do not have to provide for yourself or anyone else, you are not really an adult. You do not have any true responsibilities in life because you have no actions necessary to your survival. With no true responsibilities, there can be no true worries. I'm sure you have worries. Everyone has worries. I just think that if you were to stop getting this money and had to actually support yourself, you'd probably view your current worries as nothing. Particularly if you were having a hard time with it.
>>6185041
>how is this hon even trans?
the hon is probably a drag queen, lots of old hons didnt learn about hormones when they were transgender back in the friggin eighties. and this one cant take HRT so anger about passing is just a coping mechanism for their hysteria about not being born later when all the current knowledge is widespread because of the internet.
>>6184825
OP the thing is, where you live stealth is not neccesary for survival. If you pass like crazy people might subconciously view you as a girl, even if they know your trans. How would people view ciswomen that claim to be trans? Remember as stealth you'll have to lie about your childhood and teens years, and talk about fake girl shit you never experienced. Also, you have to keep claming your barren whenever cis women talk about pregnancies or periods. Should you get outed down the road, some people will view you as a liar. Oh and the more partners you have, the more chance of being outed by an ex.
You have an accepting family and old friends, previous generations of trans people could lose all of this if outed.
Be sure to explain to your mom about hormonal dysphoria and physical dysphora. Explain that 60 year old hon didn't experience that. Also point out Caitlyn Jenner had ffs surgery and takes hormones, 60yo hon does not speak for all trans people.
>>6184825
Sounds like you're mentally ill and need to get proper help and stop leeching from mommy
Get rid of your deadbeat BF too
>>6187066
>Remember as stealth you'll have to lie about your childhood and teens years
Not necessarily. A lot of childhood experiences are fairly gender neutral. You just have to omit the fact you happened to be a boy during those times.
>>6184825
Get a job you piece of shit
>>6184825
Get a fucking job, expecting somebody who works retail to support another adult.
You make me sick.
>>6184825
Ya. You're kind of a piece of shit for making her pay for everything. The best word I know for the situation you're getting in is Karma. If you don't believe in that, then bad choices works as well.
>>6187598
As long as it's a cunt and not a dick, I'm happy.
>>6187598
I'm not a trainy im just irritated that you have everything given to you yet you complain
>>6184825
>>mom freaks out about how she can't tell my aunts or her friends about what I'm going through and how I dont go to family meetings anymore or post pictures on facebook anymore
this sounds like she was having her own stress during this situation, have you considered spending more time with your mom?
I don't know your life, so grain of salt and all that, but if some random woman can convince her more than you I'd say that you have a pretty weak relationship at the moment (even if she did support you).
Just showing your mom you're happy as you are now should be enough, most parents usually prefer having happy children than rightfuly passing ones.
>>6187598
I'd blame those who can't respond with negativity but without pointless anger. If three anons insult someone it's normal that another will defend them, be it living off your parents or voting Hillary. The problem is that the not hugbox comments are
>durr you got lucky
>hurr you gotta feel ashamed of this thing you don't care about
that's not the contrary to a hugbox, that's having the discussion skills of a teenager.
>>6187783
And if you live in the states you should be thankful for your vaccinations, full bowls of water to take a shit in, and not having to go to war if you don't want to. Do you remember to be thankful about all that before complaining that someone was rude on-line?
>>6187880
>this sounds like she was having her own stress during this situation, have you considered spending more time with your mom?
We're pretty separated, I admit. I mostly don't express myself to her because when I depend on someone I get paranoid and calculating and distrustful.
I can try to reach out to her, I guess. Show I'm actually happy.
>you gotta feel ashamed of this thing you don't care about
t h a n k y o u
I've been ignoring those posts for hours lol
>>6187887
I can still call someone out for being a total bitch
>>6184825
tell your mom you are happy, you knew what you wanted, did the right thing and that you are grateful for everything she has done for you. Tell her not to trust completely a strangers opinion because all in all its an opinion (or call it point of view). Just make her think she did the right thing because you are happy now, and make her see there is nothing wrong with you, but with traditional ways of thinking. Hug her and show her some affection so she just breaks in to that and to a discussion.
>>6188043
yes, but you are being a total bitch in the process. you literally take a shit in a bowl of water when people die in the dessert.
>>6188073
not to*
>>6187486
I am also from Europe OP. Your situation sound pretty normal to me. Americans have really skewed values like leaving you parents at 18, disowning, running away and general disconnection between parent-child-grandparent.
Now about the hon. Be friend him. Seriously your sheer existence will break him. Be sure to be happy and bubbly around him. Bring some cis friends if you have some. He will not sleep at night.
>>6188192
Good advice.
>>6188192
>Now about the hon. Be friend him. Seriously your sheer existence will break him. Be sure to be happy and bubbly around him. Bring some cis friends if you have some.
sort of secondind this but try not to be a bitch about it.
>>6187486
Because 'merica, that's why.
>>6188192
>Now about the hon. Be friend him. Seriously your sheer existence will break him. Be sure to be happy and bubbly around him. Bring some cis friends if you have some. He will not sleep at night.
Damn... Do this OP, just don't make it obvious what you're doing.
>>6186794
.t mom
>>6188192
>Now about the hon. Be friend him. Seriously your sheer existence will break him. Be sure to be happy and bubbly around him. Bring some cis friends if you have some. He will not sleep at night.
Devilish. Also, invite him to girls night out with your cis friends
>>6188076
>yes, but you are being a total bitch in the process. you literally take a shit in a bowl of water when people die in the dessert.
>you literally take a shit in a bowl of water when people die in the dessert.
> people die in the dessert.
>dessert
>>6188433
It's still a bitch move.
>>6188043
>>6188433
Haha, you poop in da toilet. Fucking shitlord lmao.
>>6186917
t. spoiled brat
>>6184825
Hunny let me tel u something. It's clear to see that ur an inexperienced transkid that's too immature to understand what she's really doing!
What ur telling me is pretty much an evidence that ur bell didn't go off so either grow up or shut up BEFORE U HURT YOURSELF!!! My poor misguided child, ur mum knows best so you should listen to her and get off these dangerous blood-clotting hormones.
Hugs and kisses,
Jennifer xoxo
>>6184825
I was literally in that same situation, I had a talk with my mom just about how the hon is from a different time where there was a lot of misinformation going on then. After a week or two and spending time with the hon she understood what I meant.
>>6189921
>tfw young hon with a broken bell that won't go off
>>6188192
>Now about the hon. Be friend him. Seriously your sheer existence will break him. Be sure to be happy and bubbly around him. Bring some cis friends if you have some. He will not sleep at night.
Really now? Why are so many trannies fucking horrible people? You either have the hons like OP mentioned, or disgusting people like this.
>>6184825
There is only one solution OP
>kill the hon
holy shit, talk about first world problems...
>>6184825
>Live as a parasite off your fucking RETAIL mother
>Act like a bitch when she finally snaps
You're a terrible human being.
