..Then is pedophilia not a choice either?
Should we be more tolerant to them?
Homosexuality = 2 consenting adults
Pedophilia = an adult and a child incapable of informed consent
Yeah, I know the age of consent is an iffy and often arbitrary thing, but at the end of the day a 12 year old simply isn't mature enough to make a decision about sex with an adult, even if they want it.
I do feel for pedophiles, they are stuck in the ultimate shitty situation. They have urges that they can't really change, but they can't act on it without doing harm. That being said non offended pedophiles shouldn't get stigmatized as much as they do; that just drives them underground and makes them more likely to offend. They need help, not persecution.
>Should we be more tolerant of them.
Sure... until they act on the urges then gas them.
That being said maybe we shouldn't outlaw loli porn and non sexual pictures of nude children so they have an outlet to relive there urges
>>6171656
>t. pedophile
Children cannot properly consent to sex, and having sex with them will do sever damage to their mentality.
Adults can properly consent to sex and doing so will (usually) have no effect on their mentality.
tl;dr
We should be as "tolerant" as putting them in an institution rather than killing them.
If pedophilia weren't harmful yes, I would say we should be tolerant of them. It's actually really sad and depressing that some people are that way and conversion therapies don't seem to be any more effective for them then they are for us. Pretty sure most pedos would prefer not to be pedos.
>>6171656
>Should we be more tolerant to pedophiles?
no.
/thread
>>6171764
>therapy for the non-offenders
And bullets for the offenders?
>>6171656
No, because our intolerance towards them isn't a choice either.
>>6171656
Homosexuality is a fetish, pedophilia is a fetish, zoophilia is a fetish. The age of consent is lowering all around the world. People are letting their teenagers fuck other teenagers now, the next thing it will be how fucking an adult is safer than a teenager. It is a slippery slope and we are on it.
>>6171779
I was thinking 1 more chance in the case of simple touching, a bullet for rapists.
You try to buy ammo these days? Shit has gone up in price.
Nope
>>6171795
>homosexuality is a fetish
>>6171656
If being /pol/ is not a choice, should we tolerate their idiocy?
I think you know the answer to that.
>>6171838
>the gay gene
Retard.
>>6171656
It's not a choice to what you're attracted to, it's a choice whether you act on it or not. We don't persecute people on how they think but what they do (in freedomland at least). And the problem with pedophilia is that the child is lacking the capacity to make her/his own decisions. So no, we should not be more open to pedophiles. Like, you wouldn't look at a guy who had sex with a girl while she was asleep (lacking capacity) and say since he didn't have a choice to be attracted to that woman, he had the right to do that? No, of course not.
>>6171871
>t. Armchair scientist
>>6171876
>We don't persecute people on how they think but what they do (in freedomland at least).
There isn't a LAW against having pedophile thoughts, but admitting to having such thoughts is pretty much guaranteed to get you a one way ticket to pariahdom for the rest of your life.
>>6171894
Yeah I know, I'm just saying all of that in the eye of the law.
>>6171656
I am technically a pedophile, but I also have fucking self control and the foresight to remove myself from situations where I would be in extended unsupervised contact with children.
Some people just need to learn self control.
>>6172339
Right there with you. My brother-in-law molested his daughter and I hate him with a passion for abusing her, but I also am aroused by sexy children. I empathize, but cannot tolerate.
roughly this >>6171740
it's incredibly retarded to throw someone in jail for downloading cartoon children. it only incentivizes pedos to molest real children because at least the government doesn't have cameras in everybody's home (yet)
>>6171742
>We should be as "tolerant" as putting them in an institution
Fucking pedo enabler. We should just put them out of their misery to not waste taxpayers' money.
>>6171656
Yeah, as long as they don't fuck any kids. Let them jack off or whatever though, there's no reason their porn should be illegal to view if there's terabytes of it already produced and circulated anyway.
The second they start molesting actual kids though they need to be put away.
I feel a little lucku that I am an ephebophile with some pedo tendencies and young looking legal men are enough to get me off, I've been trying to atave off all that anime shot.so I don't keep feeding that fixation, but god bless you twinks and femboys you keep me away from jail
Yeah it isn't choice. I don't think anyone chooses to be a pedo, and most of them feel self-hate.
>>6174484
As long as they don't molest kids and don't help the CP industry grow, I see nothing wrong with it.
People have their own deep desires. Hell, I fantasized a few times with younger chicks as well (in their 13's or so), but ofc I didn't do anything about it, seeing how a sexual relationship can be traumatic and hinder the proper development of younger people, though I did lose my virginity at a young age and turned out normal. But oh well, I suppose every case has its own unique properties.
But yeah, bottom line is, don't hurt others and don't feed harmful industries (though people won't exactly stop smoking, drinking, doing hard drugs, hurting animals for fun, etc., but I guess it's the Humanity we're stuck with) or you get put away so you can't harm society even further. And hopefully get reeducated and reformed over the years so you can become a proper contributing member of society again.
Yeah. If someone comes to a therapist and says "I'm a pedophile and I can't control it" we should help them, not go apeshit on them.
I honestly don't know why cuckservatives think this is a "gotcha" question.
There are people who have admitted being attracted to children, but the majority know it is wrong and do not act on it. You can have these urges and recognize that children are incapable of consent. These people should be supported and cared for, to ensure that they are not alienated or damaged in such a way that might push them into a position where they might lose their moral sense.
The ones who do act on those urges, those lack the empathy and capacity to understand why society as a whole does not permit such behaviour, such abuse, who lack the impulse control, should be taken out of society and kept out.
>>6174706
I'd add
>and reformed
What's the point of just keeping people away forever as punishment? The ideal would be for people to be properly reintroduced when reformed, not merely punished. Punishment alone does nothing to better society.
fuck off
>>6174804
top contribution, anon
>>6171656
It's not a choice and they don't deserve to be demonized or abused but their desires are unequivocally harmful, what they deserve is therapy.
>>6171740
>That being said maybe we shouldn't outlaw loli porn and non sexual pictures of nude children so they have an outlet to relive there urges
I don't think that's backed up by any actual research, humans are creatures of habit and it could reinforce harmful desires, they need therapy.
>>6171795
>The age of consent is lowering all around the world. People are letting their teenagers fuck other teenagers now
>muh slippery slope
You do realize that age of consent laws in general are a modern thing and before there were much younger marriages, right?
Yeah you probably do since you're just a shitty feels-driven troll.
>>6173832
Therapy is more reasonable.
>>6174135
>We should just put them out of their misery to not waste taxpayers' money.
People that say shit like this are always such morons that have no idea where tax money actually goes and what wastes it and just use the idea as an excuse to legitimize their feels.
>>6174785
Not as a punishment, as a consequence. Follow the very reasonable rules or fuck off into the woods or something, there will be no kiddie diddling in our society. Forcing them to "reform" isn't really any better than when they used to throw gays into mental hospitals.
>>6175196
>they need therapy.
Using electric shock as punishment and drugging people out of their minds isn't okay, let alone something you deserve for how you were born.
>>6175466
>Using electric shock as punishment and drugging people out of their minds
>implying that's what I called for
>>6171656
Not on people who have acted on it.
Homosexuality is just as much of a mental illness as pedophilia, society has stopped using that term on the former because it just happens to be mostly harmless.
I think pedos should be allowed to talk about their urges with friends or a psychologist without worrying about having the party van called on them.
Simply being attracted to children is not ideal but shouldn't be illegal and demonized, I'm sure a good bunch of child molesters wouldn't have done what they did if they had the chance to talk it over with someone close to them.
I doubt paedophilia is a choice.
You can't choose to not be a paedo.
Raping kids is the choice.
You can choose to not rape kids.
I don't mind paedos if they keep their shit in their pants.
>>6171656
Well man, I think you're on to something there right. But here is the general idea we're all having here:
We make LGBT and not be tolerant to pedophiles like rest of society, then pedo-guy is like ooooh that unfair dude! And we just be like Oh yeah, well, you're a pedophile! And everyone is like OOoooH! And we're like OooH! And nobody cares what you say and we don't have to be in boat with a bunch of people who we don't tolerate because society is totally down with that.
Yeah, so what do you say to that bruh?
Kinda dropped the mic on you there!
>>6175466
>Follow the very reasonable rules or fuck off into the woods or something
It's not like that's a new idea, banishment used to be the punishment for a lot of crimes but our justice system has evolved and we realize there are better solutions.
>there will be no kiddie diddling in our society
A bunch of child molesters off someplace in the woods is just putting a problem out of sight more than solving it.
>Forcing them to "reform" isn't really any better than when they used to throw gays into mental hospitals
What? "Reform" is them not trying to fuck kids anymore, not being institutionalized permanently or whatever you imagine.
>>6175495
That's literally the therapy they use on pedos and fetishists.
>>6175497
>society has stopped using that term on the former because it just happens to be mostly harmless.
That means it's not a mental illness anymore, mental illness is just a designation made by society.
>>6175552
Banishment is the fairest solution, the reason it's not used anymore has nothing to do with progress and everything to do with every bit of land being claimed already. imo.
Child molesters aren't the problem, child molestation is. Just keep them in the woods desu, maybe they end up making kids of their own to diddle but once they're out of our society it's not our problem.
The reform is making them not commit crimes anymore, but since when does psychiatry have any great track record with marginalized persons? The drugs they can freely administer there can CAUSE mental illness, and I don't find it hard to imagine some pedo ending up with a psychosis that requires lifelong treatment.
If you're right though, it's still not right to force people to reform, they should have the choice to not reform and just fuck off out of society or die instead.
>>6171886
>t. Armchair Scientist
>>6175196
Were our children allowed to fuck willy nilly? marriage and sex are two completely different things. Marriage is not about what it once was, it is about having someone who will sodomize you and let you sodomize them. Age of consent laws are new because free sexuality is now acceptable you tard.
>>6174647
This. They should be able to get as much help as they can if they're non-offenders. However I do support brutalizing the fuck out of child rapists
>>6175596
>That's literally the therapy they use on pedos and fetishists.
That's not literally the only therapy.
>homos are allowed to cut their balls off and pee in a bathroom full of 6 year old girls
>normal men aren't allowed to marry and impregnate consenting 14 year olds
I love society
>>6174638
>fantasize about 13 year olds
>turned out normal
>>6175596
>Banishment is the fairest solution
>imo
And a lot of people disagree with your opinion.
>Just keep them in the woods desu, maybe they end up making kids of their own to diddle but once they're out of our society it's not our problem.
It's our problem in that they could prey on our kids as much as their own and good luck trying to sell that to the average person anyway.
>but since when does psychiatry have any great track record with marginalized persons
Great appeal to the big bag psychiatry conspiracy but we still have to deal with people with mental issues and all of medicine has some sketchy stuff in its past.
>The drugs they can freely administer there can CAUSE mental illness
You could use this logic to argue against ALL medicine, drugs used improperly can cause issues.
>I don't find it hard to imagine some pedo ending up with a psychosis that requires lifelong treatment
They already have one, you say we should rule out any attempt at treatment for fear of creating more issues, again that logic could be used to argue against all medicine.
>it's still not right to force people to reform, they should have the choice to not reform and just fuck off out of society
Besides the trouble that they can just come back to society or make trouble elsewhere that comes back to society.
Idk why I'm even arguing with this dumb bullshit.
It's your opinion things should be that way, great, most people would think you're crazy.
I have no problem with pedophiles, but I do take issue with child molestors and sex offenders. It's shitty and it sucks for you, but you have to resist your urges. Failing that you become lower than trash.
>>6171656
paedophilia isn't a choice commiting STATUTORY RAPE however, is
>>6174484
Do you think being in child porn isn't traumatic?
>>6175742
>>6175196
>I don't think that's backed up by any actual research, humans are creatures of habit and it could reinforce harmful desires, they need therapy.
Because therapy works with homosexuality or transsexualism right? Furthermore, if violent guns don't cause people to become violent, then WHY would that be with this case? Your theory isn't backed by any studies either.
>>6175799
>having a different opinion is bait
How young are you?
>>6175611
>Were our children allowed to fuck willy nilly?
Well they could besides general attitudes and rules against sex outside of marriage and they were often forced to fuck against their will at younger ages than we currently consider able to give consent. Again age of consent is mostly a modern concept despite you seeming to think it's some established conservative tradition being eroded by the degenerate boogeyman.
>marriage and sex are two completely different things
And it was common in many periods and cultures for marriage to be finalized by sex, or sex to be an integral part of it, retard.
>Age of consent laws are new because free sexuality is now acceptable you tard.
You seem to think that people being able to choose to have sex is so much worse than even younger children being forced to have sex, you're of course free to have your opinion but most people would consider you a delusional retard.
>>6175742
On behalf of society; we would love for you pedo retards to fuck off.
>>6175803
Therapy actually does help gay and trans people deal with discrimination and being different and could do the same for pedos, the difference being that pedos acting on their desires is inherently harmful unlike with gay people.
I've never said anything about conversion therapy to make pedos not-pedos, you've just assumed that in your delusions about what I must think to disagree with you.
>Furthermore, if violent guns don't cause people to become violent, then WHY would that be with this case?
wut
u
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Alright everyone in this thread.
How old were you when you engaged in your first sexual activity? Preferably what you perceive as consenting. Not just penetration but heavy or maybe even light petting as well? Do you feel you turned out normal?
For me it was 7, and I have no trauma. (Wasn't an adult though)
>>6171656
>Then is pedophilia not a choice either?
>Should we be more tolerant to them?
Yeah, same goes for rapists mass shooters. They are poor psychopaths who can't change themselves. We have to be more tolerant to them.
But seriously, if we accept the LGB part of a population, that means almost 3%, that's a lot. And there is little to no downside. Now will the same apply to pedos?
>>6171704
>Homosexuality = 2 consenting adults
>Pedophilia = an adult and a child incapable of informed consent
This.
>>6175764
Everybody fantasized about 13 year olds when they were 13 or whatever.
>>6175767
Banishment is fair in the way that contracts are fair. You can't play soccer if you don't follow the rules, you can't get goods without paying for them, and you can't stay in society unless you follow the law. If you don't like the laws, you should be able to fuck off and live somewhere else, not be shoved into a cage or a hospital and forced to follow them.
Banishment doesn't work if you just have open borders, the driving force behind banishment has always been "get out, if we see you here again we'll kill you." You're not likely to try and diddle somebody else's kid if you'll get killed for even entering civilized lands.
Admittedly this logic could be used against other forms of medicine, but how often are non-psychiatric medical professionals working against their patient's will? Doctors and surgeons have far, far less arbitrary power than psychiatrists do, and if a psychiatrist intentionally harmed you you'd have no recourse in a mental hospital, unlike if a doctor intentionally harmed you in an ordinary hospital.
Saying that "we still have to deal with people with mental issues" means nothing, if a system has flaws they need to be fixed or the system needs to be replaced, you can't just say "it's the best system we have lol." There was a time when torture and slavery were the norm, was that fine? After all, the aristocracy had to do something about political dissidents and ethnic minorities!
Arguing that they might come back is just silly, if you had the chance to leave North Korea would you go back there just to violate their laws? Of fucking course not, you'd make a life for yourself in some other country or even on your own. Society exists for the sake of mutual-self interest, if you force people to remain a part of it that's no different from slavery.
>>6175786
Producing child porn is bad, obviously, I think I mentioned that.
I want to fuck little kids to anon
>>6171656
Sage this fucking thread before you give SJW's ideas...
They're out there trying to make legit lgbt people look bad.
>>6175819
Annon is too old for you, hes about 12.
Homesexuals need to therapy to cure those urges :^)
>>6175196
Studies involving actual jailed rapists have shown that giving them pornography of any nature helps them cope with their dangerous urges. Surveys within these studies show that nearly all of the offenders they worked with had little to no experience with porn. the implication is that they had no out for their urges and assult someone as a result. Corrolation doesn't equal causation of course, but when given porn the offenders often stated that they prefer it to hurting other people and wanted to use it to satiate their more violent desires.
Does this work in the long run to prevent sexual assult? We don't really know, but it should be said that in states that outlawed pornography of any, kind higher rates of sexual assault could be observed. When pornography became legalized in the areas later, the rate of sexual crimes took a downward spike and plateaued at a much lower level than prior to legal porn.
I don't see why any of this wouldn't also apply to pedos. I don't see why they couldn't use loli/shota pornography instead of real children to satiate themselves. There is precident set for rapists attempting to do this, why not pedos?
>>6175196
people have tried to therapy away sexual orientations for many many years and it doesn't work
>>6176312
>Banishment is fair in the way that contracts are fair. You can't play soccer if you don't follow the rules, you can't get goods without paying for them, and you can't stay in society unless you follow the law.
Except that there is also punishments and even counseling for sports infractions before just kicking them out. Why can't people agree to playing by societies rules or face incarceration just like your agreement of following rules or being dumped in the wilderness?
Anyway you can compare similarities all you want but in reality there are real differences, like when you kick someone out of society they're still around and can continue to do harm unless you invent some desert island scenario.
>If you don't like the laws, you should be able to fuck off and live somewhere else
You can already choose to do that, but if you choose to break the laws of society first then you choose the punishment of society.
>the driving force behind banishment has always been "get out, if we see you here again we'll kill you
But in the modern world we can put in a little more thought in about the interconnected nature of the world and how sending people away doesn't necessarily neutralize their threat to society.
I mean do you think terrorists and insurgents should just be dumped at the border with some finger wagging and telling them to bother someone else?
>You're not likely to try and diddle somebody else's kid if you'll get killed for even entering civilized lands
They already risk getting killed by people protecting children, and anyway how do we mark them? A big P tattoo on their face?
>how often are non-psychiatric medical professionals working against their patient's will? And how often are the patients a threat to themselves and others compared to other medicine? What about someone who wants treatment but has bouts of delusion?
>"it's the best system we have lol."
I said no such thing, I just don't believe you've shown that your system would be in any way better
>>6176312
>Arguing that they might come back is just silly
Really? No one ever sneaks back into a place they're not wanted?
>if you had the chance to leave North Korea would you go back there just to violate their laws?
People literally do go back to places they've been imprisoned like middle eastern couyntries
You seem to base your opinions on a lot of assumptions that are not fully in-step with factual reality.
>if you force people to remain a part of it that's no different from slavery
Again, no one here is suggesting pedophiles be forced to live in society, you can fuck off into the wilderness right now, but when you start infringing on the rights of other people by harming children "muh freedoms" stops being an argument and regardless of your personal opinions people in generally on not gonna go for "just let them rape kids and do whatever they want nextdoor".
>>6176893
Good thing I didn't call for that.
>>6177018
>Therapy is more reasonable.
>>6177188
And conversion therapy is the only type of therapy, right?
>>6177252
what else are you proposing
>>6171740
Wait, loli hentai is illegal in the US?
>>6177304
some states, although pretty sure you could push it up to the supreme court if convicted.
>>6173832
But they do, senpai.
>>6171656
Attraction to either the masculine or feminine is hardwired into us. Kids have little to no such features. So it's a fetish. Prob due to being molested themselves in early childhood.
"Pedophilia" it's in the name. You don't say "heterophilia" or "homophilia". You say "heteroSEXUALITY". No such thing as "pedosexuality".
It's what they call a paraphilia. Like being turned on by red leather boots because your mommy used to wear something simmilar and your little kid brain went all freudian on you without you even realising it.
>>6177264
Counseling to deal with discrimination and their desires and the stress of controlling them.
Trans people go through therapy not just to be diagnosed as trans to get approval for treatment but to help deal with the stresses of the shitty situation they have.
>>6171704
>HomoSEXUALITY = 2 consenting adults
>PedoPHILIA = an adult and a child incapable of informed consent
Big difference there. Most people don't notice what those word endings mean. "philia" = "affection for". Anything with "sexuality" at the end is on a deeper biological/psychological level.
>>6171886
>t. Armchair scientist
Atleast he is making more sense than the guy typing down dumb shit whilst half drunk.
"I hate faggots!" before tabbing over to gaytube to fap, then tabbing right back like that gay shit never happened.
I would know. I was in the closet and did dumb shit like that myself. Repression is a helluva drug.
Now I just smile to myself and think "fucking closet fag" whenever I hear someone hating on gay people.
>>6177459
I think you don't know what a paraphilia is. It doesn't imply a disorder. Teleiophilia for example is sexual attraction to adults.
>>6171795
Homosexuality is a sexual attraction to a GENDER therefore it's a sexual orientation and not a fetish...
>>6171704
>Homosexuality = 2 consenting adults
That is not correct. Homosexuality can be used to refer to two children or teenagers of the same sex engaging in sexual activity or people of differing ages engaging in sexual activity. Homosexuality does not just mean adults.
>>6177548
Socially acceptable homosexual sexual behaviour is typically two consenting adults, just like heterosexual sexual behaviour, whereas pedophilic sexual behaviour means taking advantage of children which cannot consent.
It pains me that I have to fucking explain this to people, but hardly surpassing seeing as though this is literally mental illness: the fucking board.
>>6177548
Same can be said about heterosexuality, you sick fuck pedo-enabler.
>>6171656
>>6176589
>Studies involving actual jailed rapists have shown that giving them pornography of any nature helps them cope with their dangerous urges.
Great!
But you would need to produce pedoporn with actual kids to satisfy them. Which would still be harming kids.
>>6171656
You;re not welcome to /lgbt/ with your attitude.
To have sex with children is disgusting and wrong.
>>6171656
Maiseiophilia is a sexual attraction to pregnant women, which doesn't seem too bad, as long she's into the same thing as you are.
>>6178022
>you would need to produce pedoporn with actual kids to satisfy them
Would you?
I don't know what specific studies anon is referencing but in their post they refered to porn "of any nature."
Pornographic content that doesn't actually involve/harm real kids would certainly be acceptable in my opinion if it can actually help them control their harmful desires.
>>6175803
>violent guns
Fuck it, I wanted to say violent games
>>6171656
Pedophilia us not a choice, but that doesn't mean they should be accomadated outside of therapy
>>6178022
>what is roricon
>this
>>6176086
Not sure if this would qualify or not, but my first encounter of a sexual nature happened when I was ~13-14. A boy(same age as me) fondled my breasts. We were both kids exploring our sexuality, and he and I both wanted to do it. It wasn't at all traumatic. First time I had sex I was 16. Oral sex with a girl, also my age. It was consensual and non-traumatic.
I feel I turned out pretty normal. I have a couple of weird fetishes but I keep it between myself and my partner. No pedophilic inclinations whatsoever.
I think action is much more important than thoughts. Someone who is sexually aroused by children but is committed to not harming children deserves basic respect, therapy, support, etc. They shouldn't become pariahs so long as their actions aren't hurting anyone. I'm okay with cartoon kiddie porn, since no kids are being harmed in the production of it. Plus it can provide people who struggle with an attraction to children with a safe outlet/release. Actual CP should be destroyed, along with the people who produce it. When it comes to child molesters, there should be zero tolerance and no second chances. If not the death penalty, then institutionalized for life and neutered.
>>6171846
You could call /pol/ a mental illness the same way as paedophilia is one, but being /pol/ is a choice, whereas paedophilia is not.
>>6177459
>Kids have little to no such features. So it's a fetish.
>my fetish for X more legitimate than your fetish for Y
>race X is inherently superior to race Y
I'm not seeing much difference between these :/
>>6171656
yes, we should be more tolerant.
the things that are said about boylovers now are the same things they were saying about gays 30 years ago.
>>6178022
Terabytes of kiddie porn is already being wanked to by the FBI and NSA, there's no harm in letting pedos in on it.
>>6179614
>but being /pol/ is a choice
citation
I think the stigma of being a sexually abused kid is a more lasting harm than the actual abuse, if the kid wanted it at the time and wasn't just raped.
>>6171656
You're right. One should not speak ill of the dead.
>>6171656
Difference between homosexuality and pedophilia, actively perusing a gay relationship isn't inherently abuse. It's not a choice but that doesn't mean it should be tolerated. As a society we don't tolerate violent tenancies voluntarily done or not.
>>6179689
>the stigma of being a sexually abused kid is a more lasting harm than the actual abuse, if the kid wanted it at the time
>the kids totally want it!
pedo pls
>>6171656
>Then is pedophilia not a choice either?
Right
>Should we be more tolerant to them?
Tolerant as in giving them acces to help, mental care etc. and not demonize them to a point where a lot of them dont seak help...(goes in general for mental health policy)
we shouldnt allow people to fuck kids...because that harms kids...
>>6171795
>People are letting their teenagers fuck other teenagers now
its mostly wierdly prude societes that dont (USA and its freudian issues, ultra catholic countries, Muslim countries...)
>>6177477
You're just arguing semantics. You're an idiot. I'm on the same side of the argument that you are, and you're a bloody idiot.
>>6181903
I'm pretty certain that in the states it's not only legal, but it's encouraged for teenagers to have sex.....
>>6171764
>>6171779
implying that i'm going to come out to my therapist as a pedo.
something i've always wondered. if the production of child pornography was stopped completely, there would still be enough out there to satisfy even the most lascivious degenerate.
basically, why is child pornography illegal? I think it should be something like the way drugs are handled in the US, "being high" on illegal drugs isn't a crime, but the production and distribution of those drugs is a crime.
Once the CP reaches the end user, the damage has already been done. What's the use in persecuting people who have never touched a child, but only viewed certain collections of pixels?
It becomes even more ridiculous when you consider that lolicon is illegal in many places. How dumb.
>>6171846
>thinking anybody has a choice
>thinking free will exists
>not understanding everyone is a hapless product of their environment
yes. But not because it isn't a choice. (choices don't even exist, an illusion)
Sex is way too taboo. If people enjoy something just let them be.
There are plenty of cultures where kids have sex and it isn't damaging.
>>6183000
>There are plenty of cultures where kids have sex and it isn't damaging.
I really can't see how being tricked (at best) into having sex at an non consenting age isn't damaging.
>>6184264
Different cultures have different values and beliefs. Frankly, when you look at it historically this preoccupation with age seems ridiculous. If you really wanted to raise the age of consent to one in which people are qualified to make such major life decisions... well this quote comes to mind: "You're 18, you don't know what you want. And you won't know what you want 'til you're 45, and even if you get it, you'll be too old to use it. "
I mean realistically, none of us are really qualified to make any major life decisions until we're on our death beds looking back at what we wished we had done.
Pedophilia is impulses a person has just like any other. It's acting on them that's the problem. Realizing it's wrong and acting to stop yourself from hurting children is good, and the fact that people who have never harmed a kid and want to do their utmost to make sure that never happens get ostracized and cast out is sad.
There's this article about teenagers who realized they're pedophiles and when they tried to go get help for it from traditional sources they got nothing but shunned. There's a total of like, 2 professionals in the country who focus on it. I wish I could find the article again.
>>6171704
Oh and actually think why aren't they? This is a spook you've dogmatically accepted like 99% of the population. There is nothing sacred about having sex, and it can be done responsibly with anyone. Hell, it could be enabled if the parent allowed it like with teen marriage laws.
>>6171656
>pedophilia
It automatically means a lack of consent from the child. So a pedophile who acts according to his instincts is a criminal. Also someone who wouldn't have liked it if he had been on the receiving part as a child, and since "your rights stop where mine begin", you can get why it's logically wrong.
homosexuality and heterosexuality can be combined with pedophilia, but taken alone they're not automatically rape.
>>6189298
link to the article?
>>6171795
Zoophilia is not a fetish it's a lifestyle, are you still fucking girls? LOL, noob
http://pornscum.com/video/5299/guy-fucking-dog-anal-gay-zoo-porn-petlust
>>6171656
i'm sure that hitler's mental condition wasn't a choice either
that being said, I wouldn't hesitate to shove hot coals up his anus until it's up to the rim
and I don't care how you try to justify it. pedos are fucking sick as the dogfuckers that people love comparing fags to. probably sicker
and if it were up to me, the instant you lay your hands on a child and it's proven, you don't get jail time or psychiatric help. you get the judge doom treatment and are rolled over with a steamroller, feet first
Pedophilia is classified as a mental disorder. It's not a choice. WHAT is a choice though is to act o that actraction and wind up ruining a child's life. Pedophilia isn't a choice but going to a therapist and getting help is. Pedo's who act on their sexual attraction should not be tolerated PERIOD
>>6194872
so it's closer to transexuality than homosexuality
both are highly harmful (to oneself or others), both have involved activists groups vying to grasp the coattails of homosexuality, and both are mental disorders
>>6194872
>Pedophilia isn't a choice but going to a therapist and getting help is
>Pedophilia isn't a choice but sending yourself to jail is
>>6171740
I don't get how anything being drawn could be illegal. It is, literally, a victimless crime. Arresting someone for drawing loli porn because people think they might have underaged sex in the future is arresting someone for fucking thought crime
>>6178075
>you're not allowed to discuss anything that makes me uncomfortable
fuck off faggot
>>6178075
Grow the fuck up or just leave the threat, retard.
>>6194946
There's nothing wrong with Lolis etc. It's an outlet. Just like many other things. I don't see people playing DOOM and chainsawing people so wtf
>>6175742
What's funny is that I'm pretty sure I could kick most of these moralfags' asses when I was 14.
t. HS boxing champ
>>6194830
>>6171740
>non sexual pictures of nude children
Yeah fuck the rights of those kids, they should have their pictures posted for men to jack off to.
Are you Allison Rapp? What kind of retard would be okay with nude pictures of real kids being available to pedos?
>>6171795
teens were always fucking
its just that being okay with it or not has become a repeating cycle
