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What will hormones do?
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Previous thread: >>6099667
FIRST.
But for real, I was lurking not too long ago and someone mentioned United Pharmacies as an alternative to ADC or IHP for us Americans. Has anyone bought from them? How was that experience?
>20mg Estradiol Valerate IM once a month
>50mg Bicalutamide once a day
>5mg Finasteride once a day
This should be fine, right? My doctor didn't really seem to know what he was doing and I'm not so sure myself.
>>6168906
maybe never, maybe sometime
the whole "omg hormones made me feel AMAZING after 2 weeks they are magic!!" is really a meme. if anything it's the idea of being on them that relieves anxieties of becoming more masculine that people feel.
>>6170562
>Valerate
>once a month
Try once a week at the very least.
Or enjoy your incredibly inconsistent hormone levels I guess.
>>6170562
IM estrogen is usually weekly or bi-weekly. 10mg weekly or 20mg bi-weekly sounds right.
still trying to gather info on bicalutamide vs spiro or cypro, can't help you out there
5mg finasteride yeah, unless you go for dutasteride, stronger but a smaller dose
>>6167289
bubble mailer with cyrillic text all over
customs declaration labeled as food supplements
>>6170606
I hear that Bicalutamide is commonly used with other anti-androgens, such as Lupron or another GnRH. Anybody know why that is?
>>6170625
Valerate has a half life of 7.5 days.
>>6170636
i've never heard this
>>6170750
There's information about it on wikipedia and pubmed journals.
Why is my voice anus dicks? Like I can get the tone and resonance moderately close. But the mannerism involved is lost on me. Like the way I talk is very obviously male. Not like a 50 year old female coal miner voice, like a girl my age talking like she got beaten half to death as a child and then had to have her jaw wired shut. Halp.
>>6166441
can we please add "No, herbal supplements don't do shit you retard" to the OP?
>>6172551
>that Pokemon dialogue in the OP's picture
FYI they removed that question (are you a boy or a girl?) and now they make you pick your appareanace
Are there any private (as in, non-members can't view) trans forums? I want to see if I pass but don't want to be spotted by people I know.
So... I just told my best friend about me being a a gender decisive stage. I told him I dressed up and shit. He's been my best friend since middle school... im 21 now. I showed him a pic today and so far he seems supportive but I get this weird feeling that he's not cool with it.
>>6172754
It may just be that he always kind of figured you were either trans or a massive fag. And just doesn't want to tell you that he always knew because they think it might be hurtful. That's my positive take though. Or he's just confused by the whole idea.
>>6172784
>It definately was NOT obvious before now. and im not just saying that. I just don't know if I should leave it be or if I should like do something to make him understand that it really doesn't change much in our lives.
>>6172802
Well it kinda does change a lot. Explain to them that you're going through a biological change. Like second puberty. You're going to be the same person. Just different. And still their friend. With whatever qualities you had before. And that this is the real you. The before time was an act. Or he's just creeped out because you showed him pics of man body in dress. Tends to make people who don't get it think you're a bizarre fetishist.
>Man Body in a dress
I found this funny for some reason.
Idk i'm like the weirdest person anyone knows... but like the good kinda weird not a cringey weird. Maybe I should just drop the topic with him entirely unless he brings it up.
oh and while im here
Do I seem passable as of right now? I really don't wanna do the whole hormone thing. I'm also absolutely cool wearing a wig...
One thing im trying to shake is my razer bumps
>>6172838
What is that on your head?
>>6172845
a REALLY cheap wig.... im waiting for a better one to come in the mail.
>>6172838
I can kind of see it if I squint. That won't last as you get older, though. If you want to be a girl you'll need 'the whole hormone thing.' Try and improve your posture, figure out a way to conceal your beard shadow with makeup, and consider dieting to reduce the musculature of your arms. Without hormones, though, it's a losing battle.
>>6172834
You could do my tactic. I drew a crude picture in ms paint about wanting to cut my dick off and shit. I wish the computer I had it saved on still worked. But yeah, it was informative AND offensive! Because if you're serious, but not supercerealguise, and talk about it how you would everything else it seems to turn out better.
>>6172882
Thanks, I'm still indifferent about everything so all the advice you just gave helps but the reason I'm not going through with hormones is because I want to figure it all before I start. I completely get the time thing though, so i dunno. Thanks for the advice though it was REALLY helpful. I have work in like 8 hours so I gotta bounce. peace.
>>6172887
wut
>>6172908
You know when you were in high school and there were those weird kids? With like trenchcoats and stuff. Yeah, my friends and I were too weird for them. We still try to be as offensive as possible to each other. Me saying I want to cut off my dick is like... The most normal thing to happen really.
>>6172838
>do I pass without hormones
no, you don't and you will pass less and less each year that you wait.
How do I know if informed consent is a thing in my country?
>>6173132
What's your country ?
Shit guys. I recently started accepting Im trans but Im terrified to go through with it because of things such as
>Voice is manly and I dont know if estrogen will change that
>Afraid I wont be pretty or look girly
>Have a decent bit of body hair and not sure if estrogen will change that either
Basically it all boils down to possibly not appearing to be a girl and I dont want to be a manly trans.
Help and advice please.
>>6173165
Latvia
>>6173207
Ps if it helps to know Im also 19
>>6173207
>>6173215
>>6173252
Estrogen will not do that, you need to practice your voice. Try singing, practice your voice with a microphone at home, etc.
Won't know unless you try.
Yes, though it may take a while for it to reduce. You can shave in the mean time, can't you?
Good age to start. Get to informed consent clinic ASAP.
Trachea shave.
>>6173275
And use a smartphone and a pitch meter app so you get it right. Lot's of tutorials on Youtube. Some better than others.
You can start right now and it's probably the one thing that will give you the most passability.
>>6173165
I'm not telling. How do I know if its a thing in my country? I tried google translating it and searching but didn't get any relevant results
>>6173346
>I'm not telling.
I just took 50mg cypro, and plan on continuing daily.
With uni exams coming up, should I be worried about low t making me feel fatigued? I'm not taking any oestrogens.
Can anyone with experience weigh in?
What happens if I self med on spiro
Do I shoot Rainbows when I jizz
>>6173937
The thumbnail looked like a dude in a chicken suit you disappointed me
>>6173937
>>6173982
It looks like we are essentially asking the same question.
> loss of body hair
> muscle loss
> abnormal breast growth
> reduced growth of penis and testicles
> erectile dysfunction
> osteoporosis
> low or absent sex drive
> infertility
> fatigue
> hot flashes
> difficulty concentrating
This is assuming that you are not going to take any oestrogens. Having no sex hormones isn't ideal. I'm most worried about depression desu.
From what I've read online, it looks like a lot of these symptoms are much less probable as the fearmongers (including my physician), make it out to be.
Still interested to hear from anyone who has actually taken AAs on their own.
What is "feeling female" to you? This question goes to anyone.
i wanted to start using injectable estradiol valerate and now my question is how much do i need to take ?
How long does one 10mg injection last ?
>>6174385
UCSF recommends 10 to 20 mg every 1 to 2 weeks.
http://transhealth.ucsf.edu/trans?page=protocol-hormones
>>6174417
Oh, ok so that's pretty cheap actually :)
I'm taking 4mg oral estradiol daily and my E level is 61.2 pg/ml. Should I increase my dose to 6mg?
>>6174488
most endos aim for 150 - 200 pg/ml sometimes higher so yes
>>6174588
My levels were taken while I was on a different prescription of medications. What I'm taking now should be more effective at lowering my testosterone. Would a decrease in T result in naturally higher E levels? Anybody know?
>>6175140
My endo hasn't prescribed oral estradiol above 2mg...
>>6174674
>Would a decrease in T result in naturally higher E levels? Anybody know?
nope
you need to take those pills too.
the male body does produce estrogen, but it's too little to matter.
>>6175265
well
then stick to it or ask your endo if you should up it
>>6175324
>being this against self-medding
there is nothing wrong with self-medding
>>6175391
How does their post imply that at all? And why would you try to self-med to adjust your dosage before simply asking your endocrinologist their opinion and possibly to adjust it?
as a cis girl, if i took female hormones would i become even more feminine and cuter? would i get bigger boobs?
>>6175460
unless your E is below female range
no
>>6175460
Only if your levels are not within normal range which is unlikely.
>>6175467
is it really that unlikely? I'd assume the majority of people have levels above or bellow the standard. Both men and women. She should talk to an endo.
>>6175460
Some girls report getting bigger boobs or more of a butt from taking birth control, so it's a reasonable idea.
IIRC tho taking same-sex hormones is more dangerous than taking cross-sex hormones.
>>6175494
>is it really that unlikely?
seeing how most men have voice drops and most women have periods I'd go with yes
>>6175578
Girls still have different hormone levels tho.
I've known girls whose periods last a week and girls whose periods last a day. Everyone's different.
Nothing wrong with her trying birth control and seeing what happens.
>>6175578
I was talking about slight deviations, not the wrong hormones.
>>6175494
>I'd assume the majority of people have levels above or bellow the standard.
No, because the standards are specifically based on "We expect X percent of cis women to have levels that fall in this range", where X is like 98 or something.
I live in the US, Massachusetts to be specific. I've been self medding for a little bit but I want to do this right. So I have some questions.
What is the FASTEST and most discrete way for me to get hrt? And how do I go about it? Please go into as many details as possible. Can I just go to a psychiatrist and tell them that I've been self medding? Will they prescribe me hrt?
>>6175734
As I said, I'm assuming things. I don't know if it's like IQ that corrects itself with the current norm or if it's an average taken from a wide variety. I do know that most girls don't have regular cycles until they start taking pills, that's why I'm assuming most don't have a balanced hormone production.
Is there any specific reason to get SRS with Suporn as opposed to someone in the US like Marci Bowers?
I want my insurance to cover it.
I've heard Suporn's vaginas look the best but I care way more about how it works and feels than how it looks.
>>6177576
it comes down to what you have
suporn seems to care more about using the right tissue for certain parts than others imo (e.g. moist foreskin for labia minora and so on)
also his post-op care is very good (daily nurse check up during your stay, 2 weekly exams by him, 24/7 emergency numbers if you need meds/help etc.)
>copy pasting my 2 cents about my results
20 cm depth
clitoral and vaginal orgasms possible with ease
enough lubrication for a whole fist
passes without problems (my gyn literally looked for my uterus till he remembered / nobody who saw it anonymously thus far clocked it / blindfolded girl couldn't distinguish between mine and cis gfs during threesome)
>>6177739
fair enough.
I have no foreskin tho.
Will this be a problem
>>6177794
>Will this be a problem
well it reduces the amount of wet tissue available and since no foreskin dmges the nerves on your tip and dries it up the clit won't be as sensitive as it could've been
that's with every surgeon tho afaik
if you aren't in a rush I'd look into restretching your foreskin
>>6174334
a meme
>>6172499
Seriously, it's weird, but I asked a hindu god for help, as sanskrit chanting is very nasally oriented when done right, so like try doing it.
I bestow you this mantra on behalf of ganesha.
Om gam, ganapataye namah-a
(don't move your tongue, just say it and eventually you'll get it. Just say syllable by syllable.)
Aum is how Om is said or o'm
Gam is like gum
Ga Na Pa Ta Yay
Na Ma Hahh(like a sigh)
Ideally say it 108 times in the morning, before gargling twelve times with seawater( warms up the voice and purifies)
When you do this, you wanna ask the god of obstacles to help you out. He's an elephant guy, who is the lord of parties. Like all parties that can be will be, or won't be involved, as well as fun stuff.
>>6174334
Dunno. I just feel like me, but being me as a guy sucks. I can't really explain it, but I don't "feel" female. I just wish I was female because I think I'd be more comfortable with myself, and especially my body, if I was.
>>6178241
10/10
>>6177843
I'm not the anon you replied to, but
>if you aren't in a rush I'd look into restretching your foreskin
I've heard of cis men doing that, but would it really help with srs at all?
I mean, actual foreskin tissue is different from normal skin, and stretching can only give you the latter, so it's not like you'd be giving the surgeon any new foreskin to work with.
And I've read that men who "restore" their foreskin usually have their glans get more sensitive due to it not being exposed all the time, but if I'm gonna have my glans rearranged into an srs-clit, then wouldn't I end up getting that effect anyway?
I dunno, it doesn't seem like a bad idea per se, but I'm just not sure how worthwhile it would be to do.
>>6178241
wat
>>6170383
how long can you stelthly be onhormones if i start at 17?
Also, if i have a psych whos pretty accepting and knows me for te past few years, and ive camr out to him once but then repressed and told him my rationalization, and a mom whos accepting af, do you think its a good idea to come out with him and mom in the room? Im afraid to do it alone and think he might help. I dont want to come out fully yet, but like tell her i have such issues vaguely and go to a gender therapist. Is this a good idea?
>>6181780
1 year I guess. depends on how well you response on hrt.
You can hide your boobs with a sports bra pretty well (without damaging them like binders)
So I need to do something about rectal bleeding that's been caused by Spiro. Does anyone here have any experience with this? I've been thinking I either need:
>fiber supplements
>stool softener
Or both.
Any suggestions or help is welcome, I'm starting to get scared.
>>6181809
Are you bleeding because it makes you constipated or gives you hard stools? If so either of those things may help. If the bleeding started "on its own," (I.e., it's not related to shitting) call a fucking doctor immediately.
>>6181839
As far as I'm aware it's directly related to my hard stool literally ripping my asshole apart. I'll keep an eye on it throughout the day. The amount of blood was worse today so I don't know.
No constipation, just really big, hard stools destroying my ass.
>>6181809
DRINK MORE WATER
>>6181846
Well, I'm not trans and I don't have any experience taking hormones. I assume that you are trying to self medicate, because if you were Rxed by a doctor you probably would have called them by now. I know people here have good reasons for doing what they do (sometimes anyway), but this sort of thing is really why you need to go through a doctor. You can try that OTC stuff, but I would also be concerned about getting an infection- which is the last fucking thing you want. I had a perineal abscess a couple years ago and it was a truly awful experience.
If you can't or really really don't want to go to the doctor try the OTC stuff for a couple days and see if anything improves. You may also want to eat certain types of food or whatever if you aren't already. If you're still having problems on Monday go to urgent care or a charitable clinic if no insurance/poor.
>>6181900
You need to drink a fuckton of water on spiro. Maybe try gatorade.
>>6181907
Okay, I'll start drinking more. How much do you suggest per hour so I can kinda make sure I'm on track?
>>6181900
Not that poster, but... Had the same problems myself, and it got better when I started drinking more water. 3-4 glasses of water a day wasn't enough. Still not fixed completely though, but it got a lot better. Yoghurt with added fiber helped a lot for me too.
>>6181918
I drink around a water bottles worth an hour at work. And a little less throughout the day.
>>6181809
>>6181918
literally have a bottle of water on you at all times. gatorade powder or that mio stuff are helpful if you start getting bored of regular water. there is no such thing as too much water on spiro. if you really need a number, you should drink 6-8 cups of water per day. your skin also improves with hydration
how did you all come out to your siblings? i'm thinking of coming out to my sister next week, but it would have to be by phone..
![IMG_0583[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fIIaDKV.jpg "IMG_0583[1].jpg")
>>6181924
Oh thank god someone else going through this. That relaxed me just to hear that. I'll have to ask my boss if I can take waterbreaks more frequently, right now they're content to keep me working and working for hours straight.
Yogurt, fiber, stool softener, I guess I'm going shopping tonight.
>>6181927
>>6181930
Okay, thank you <3
I guess I thought I was okay not drinking much because I haven't felt thirstier or even that dehydrated and I'm kinda good at toughing it out so I usually just ignore it..
Ugh I'm really stupid. Thank you all for your help, hopefully things will get better and if things aren't improving by Monday I'll consult a doctor.
>how did you all come out to your siblings? i'm thinking of coming out to my sister next week, but it would have to be by phone..
My parents told them for me, basically. Depending on how old they are it might be best to do that.
>>6181809
3+ liters a day of water is ideal.
>>6181943
Just a warning on the fiber supplements. You will need to drink even more water if you take them or it will constipate you even worse. I would recommend just eating more fruits and veggies desu.
>>6181582More tissue is always nice
Especially since foreskin is a bit lubricating
IMO the sensitivity can't hurt, sure it gets cut up anyway but the nerves still connect with the tissue so more nerves won't hurt
How do I transition when I have no money and my parents are extremely religious and hate LGBT with a passion? I have no where to go , no insurance, and not much money.
>>6182285
Do porn.
>>6182375
epic
>>6182436
I'm being serious. Plenty of people do it. We need to destigmatize the sex industry. It is the only option a lot of people have. If you really are that up against the wall there is no shame in taking that road.
>>6182205
>More tissue is always nice
fair enough
>Especially since foreskin is a bit lubricating
But I thought that a "restored foreskin" wouldn't lubricate because it's not actual foreskin tissue, but just normal skin that's been stretched out?
I'm not sure though. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
>IMO the sensitivity can't hurt, sure it gets cut up anyway but the nerves still connect with the tissue so more nerves won't hurt
Hm, good point
I suppose it would be worth looking into at the very least, especially since it'll be at least a year or two before I can get srs.
are 5/8" needles too small for IM injections in your thighs and butt? i dont have much body fat but im still skeptical. should i get 1" needles?
Alright peoples. I need some help sorting some stuff out. I've recently been browsing lgbt because my sexuality has been in question and after browsing for a while and reading out what exactly trans is and whatnot, i began to question myself. At first i thought it was a fetish like agp or something, but then i had a total breakdown yesterday about whether or not i feel like a gal or not. I woke up this morning depressed and kinda wanting to kill myself becouse i would never be as pretty as the other girls, but now i feel totally. I don't know what happened, but after having a few laughs as work with a few people, and watching how other women act, i feel like it was all just a phase. This isn't exactly the first time this has happened, but its never felt this bad before. Has this kinda stuff ever happened to ya'll?
>>6182526
>are 5/8" needles too small ?
Probably.
I'm not sure about thighs, but what I usually see recommended for butt is 1" or 1.5".
I use 1.5", personally
>>6182551
I feel like that all the time. As far as "I wanna be a girl" goes, I pretty much just care about the looks. Women usually annoy me otherwise.
>>6182727
wow. Im glad im not alone on this. I didn't realize i hated masculine features until recently. I had bad acne ever since like 12 and always avoided people and stuff until recently after accutane and diet changes. But then i realized that it wasnt just the skin problems that made me feel bad, but looking like a guy. I can't stand having body hair or facial hair because it's disgusting. I've also always hated having short hair. I even went through an 'emo' phase in high school where i would dress up in tight cloths and died my hair black and straightened it. But your totally right, the women i talk to at work are pretty mean to each-other and have alot of personality quarks that are pretty annoying.
>>6182551
A lot of people with heavy depressing think they don't need meds because they have days in which they don't feel like killing themselves, so they must not have depression. It's normal for mental issues, like disphoria, to have peaks and valleys.
Normal 100% sane people shouldn't have any day of the week filled with desire to be female to the point of wanting to die. It's not something everyone has once in a while.
Just talk with a specialized shrink.
>>6181582More tissue is always nice
Especially since foreskin is a bit lubricating
IMO the sensitivity can't hurt, sure it gets cut up anyway but the nerves still connect with the tissue so more nerves won't hurt
>>6182851
>Just talk with a specialized shrink.
as in, specialized in gender stuff? Couldn't i just talk to a normal shrink and get the same results? Im also worried that i would influence the conclusion of the shrink if they knew what i came in for. Plus im short on cash atm, and i figured i'de wait to see if it happens again. Im going to try my hand at getting another girl friend and see if it's because of the lack of sex or something. Plus there is the possiblity that you people have been influencing my thoughts.
100mg spiro + 1mg finasteride + 4 mg progynova sounds good as a regimen? Should i go 6mg progynova?
>>6182964
My doctors prescribe 100mg Spironolactone and 1mg Finastride as initial low doses. I don't know so much about Progynova but with my experience, 4mg oral Estradiol doesn't yield high enough E levels, although it does for some others. 1mg to 2mg would be an initial low dose which you might consider starting with to be safe. Once you feel able to tolerate the medication fine and get blood work done to test your levels, increase the dose.
Question, I'm thinking of switching to estradiol valerate, how many vials am I supposed to get and how long do they last? This is assuming 10mg/week
>>6182964
i take 200mg spiro 1mg fin and 4mg progy and it's workin pretty well for me so far. only been HRT for 5mo and have B cups (no, really!)
>>6183080
I have a box in front of me, and it says
>mfg date 12/15
>exp date 10/18
so it looks like they last 34 months.
But I did once get a batch that was manufactured just over a year before I ordered it, so don't go and try to order 2.5 years worth at once.
Assuming that you're ordering from ADC, I would say just go with either the 30 or 60 pack.
Valerate is cheap enough and shipping takes long enough that it's not really worth it to only order 10 at a time, imo
>>6183380
I was gonna just ask my doc to change my prescription from oral to IM next time I head over. So, do you use one 5ml vial 1ml at a time, or how does it work?
>>6183482
>I was gonna just ask my doc to change my prescription from oral to IM next time I head over.
Oh, well in that case I don't think you have to worry about how much to get at once, since the time and cost of shipping won't be an issue.
>So, do you use one 5ml vial 1ml at a time, or how does it work?
Technically it comes in ampoules, not vials. With ampoules, the glass is completely sealed up, so you have to open it by breaking the glass.
But yeah, the ampoules are 1mL, and I just use one per week.
Is 22 too late? It would be the earliest that would be independent.
Also should I just kill myself if I'm tall?
>>6184472
how tall? 22 here also and 5'10"
>>6184472
Height alone shouldn't be a factor. And how old are you now, what are the roadblocks specifically?
if I am trans then why do I feel worse having been on hormones?
if I am not trans then why do I wanna be a girl even more than I used to?
>>6181582
You can restore inner foreskin, which is sensitive. You just can't get back the best parts. It also can't hurt to give the doctor more to work with in any case - they take a fuckload of skin when they cut
how do i gain enough weight to hide my musculature? ive just recently decided to stop repressing because 22 is essentially the now-or-never age, and ive known for a decade that im definitely not a man. theres a doctor really close who almost gives out hormones, so i plan on being on those asap, but before/during mones i have to find a way to mask my distinctly male body so as to prevent anxiety attacks about getting clocked every time i go out in girlmode. being tall and thin with a "toned" build and broad shoulders doesnt help but im positive there has to be things i can do to assist in the modification of my body alongside pumping girljuice into my brain, right?
>>6185516
>pre-hrt
>girlmode
>>6185220
Did your dysphoria get worse? Mine got worse on HRT, but I feel better overall and much more sure I am a girl.
>>6176038
US, Arkansas.
Went to psychiatrist. Told me to go to my normal doctor. Went to him. Told me to see a psychiatrist. I fucking hate it here.
>>6176038
Find an informed consent clinic and ask for someone who knows about hormone replacement therapy.
>>6184540
6'3
>>6184827
I'm 19 now, 20 in six months
Family, my father specifically, really hates all of this and doesn't believe its real. He is pretty firm in his Catholic morals even though I've tried to subtly point out to him that the Church isn't exactly as extreme as him on all things but he just blames outside political pressure on the Vatican corrupting them.
He'll also pay for my college degree in full so if I keep my head down I'll have a degree from a very good university debt free at that age but I also have a strong desire to run into the woods and detach myself completely or kill myself outright
>>6185226
>You can restore inner foreskin
Huh, I was not aware of that.
And you're right that having more skin in general wouldn't hurt, so I guess it really would be worth my while to try and restore then.
Ok so my nipples are really sensitive all of a sudden and they kind of hurt they're pointy af it's really werid wtf
How do I abate this? I have work in an hour wtf pls halp
>>6186131
Are you in college already? Can you work part time nearby? Is there an on-campus clinic or informed consent nearby? Do you think he would want you to not follow his wishes AND not get undergraduate degree?
Hope this is the right thread for this. I didn't really wanna make my own. Anyway, was having a drunk discussion with friends last night and when we were talking about sex I guess I said something pretty strange. I said that I'd rather have sex with a woman as a woman and that being "the man" or whatever in sex didn't really do anything for me. One of my friends then asked if I'd just rather be a woman, and I was like, "Well I guess, yeah." So now my friends think I might be trans. It's not something I've thought about before, but I guess it could explain why I've never liked my appearance all that much despite being pretty decent looking to other people. Could there be something to this, or is it just some weird degenerate sex thing?
>Go to store to buy some lipstick in mostly guymode.
>Pretty nervous - done stuff like this before, but I always panic that someone's going to interrogate me or something stupid like that.
>Trying to look at the different shades as stealthily as possible.
>Decide that one looks reasonable enough, grab it, and get the hell out of the cosmetics aisle.
Turns out I somehow managed to get pretty much exactly the same shade as my lips. As in, I put it on, and you can't even tell I'm wearing it. MFW
>>6188749
That's great, actually - natural makeup. Take pics and do a side-by-side comparison, you'll probably notice the difference then.
>>6188779
>Squint and frown
>Obviously the face looks different
>Not keeping the same expression
Pssh, artists.
>>6188749
This is why I buy 100% of my makeup online. It's no hassle and I can buy like five different colors then return the ones I don't like.
>>6188494
>Are you in college already?
I was but then I transfered back home due to some emotional difficulties so I live with my parents for now
I'll be away from them again in a year
>Can you work part time nearby?
I suppose so. I worked over the summer and saved up a few thousand
>Is there an on-campus clinic or informed consent nearby?
Here, no. Where I'll there is a clinic but I see nothing specific about this.
>Do you think he would want you to not follow his wishes AND not get undergraduate degree?
I'm honestly afraid to find out. I have his name and I know it was very important to him that I was named this since it was his father's name. He also does seem to take pride in the fact that he will pay for all his children to get an undergraduate degree like his father did for his kids, so there is that.
I also have a younger brother who is effectively the better one of us all around so maybe his existence would soften it.
I remember how upset he got the times he found me in my mother's clothes when I was younger, and he says that this and homosexuals are just pretend, and its wrong because its destroying the Judeo-Christian values he says this country was founded on.
I really don't know but its terrifying to contemplate. I think I'd like him to know one day, obviously I'd like him to accept it but I'm rational enough to know there is a good chance that may never happen. But I also don't want to end up out in the cold.
>>6189679
>Going back to college
good
>have savings
good
>IC clinic not nearby but college has health clinic
Well, do some research to see if they or something close by offer it.
>name, college, values
obviously you will be changing your name at some point.
Tell him you want to get your degree, it's true isn't it?
America was founded on Enlightenment values, not Judeo-Christian. How can he deny this if he went to college himself?
I say don't wait on starting hormones, just order off the internet if you can't get hooked up with informed consent until you get back to college. Just don't announce it, and try to get another job going between now and school.
>>6189679
maybe you can convince your little brother to take your father's name lol
Will AAs stop me from growing taller?
>>6190488
It could. But some women are tall because genetics.
>>6189909
>Well, do some research to see if they or something close by offer it.
I did some research and there is one close to me now but as far as I can tell none where I'll be going to school
>Tell him you want to get your degree, it's true isn't it?
I do, very much so, I just worry he won't take it well at all.
>America was founded on Enlightenment values, not Judeo-Christian. How can he deny this if he went to college himself?
The argument is that since the US was shaped by Christianity culturally, if not officially, then its a nation with Christian values that need to be preserved. They also like George Washington's Farewell Address since he says that a nation needs morality and this is only accomplishable through religion. When you add this to Catholic social teaching that says you're obligated to always advocate for morality in the laws, it basically becomes a moral and patriotic duty to want these sorts of Christian values in the government.
Its a poor argument but thats what he, and a lot of people around here, claim.
I'll get another job and I'll like to start sooner rather than later with the hormones. I do agree its likely best not to announce it, I'd like them to know but its probably not best to do that right now.
>>6190466
that would be nice
>>6190869
Get started with the local clinic ASAP, and inquire with them about sister clinics near your college. Remember you only really need a prescription from them so as long as you have a pharmacy at the school clinic, you can maintain your dose. As far as blood tests and physicals, I'm sure they at least do that.
Is it safe to cut estrofem pills in half?
I hate how it takes half an hour just for the outer film to soften up.
>>6191644
These are not formulated for sublingual use (though you *can* use them this way), which is why it they take super long to dissolve.
You can cut them, or even crush them for greater absorption speed, if you can manage keep them in your mouth in that form (and also not lose powder in the mortar).
what's agp?
>>6188999
You don't have the rule of "used cosmetics can't be traded in" in your country?
>>6191863
Amazon Prime. Even if they don't accept returns, they refund the money anyway.
>tfw $300 electric razor for free
>>6191879
....what
that seems highly suspect
>>6191887
Needless to say, it made my day.
You'll hear these stories all the time on /g/ of people abusing Amazon's customer support. I don't have the balls to do it myself, but I did get lucky.
>>6191849
Accelerated Graphics Port.
>>6191110
Alright, I'm going to set up an appointment to go their this week. I did some more research and found they have a maximum financial requirement, but I found another place a hour and a half away that I could get to if this doesn't work.
Thanks so much for all the advice
Hey, I was wondering if the whole Saw Palmetto and Pueraria mirifica thing is just a meme?
From what I've read about Saw Palmetto, it seems it would negate the effects of the Pueraria mirifica since saw palmetto reduces the effects of estrogen? I wasn't sure if the reason it worked was maybe because the estrogens in PM are natural or something but Im not gonna bother with saw if its the case...
>>6192470
it's not even a meme, it's well known that it does not work
don't bother, get the real thing or nothing
Hello, anon that had some issues with their buttox here, your advice helped /thg/, I haven't had issues since I started chugging more water and took stool softener. I might not even need the latter that much, I need to experiment with that. But yeah, thank y'all, you saved my butt.
>>6186874
Never got a response last time.
This is the second day in a row that my nipples have felt like unpopped pimples. Is there something wrong?
>>6186874
wear a sports bra if you want to hide them, a binder can fuck up development
>>6194418
That's normal, enjoy your growing tits while it lasts.
>>6194729
Okay thanks, good to know
>>6188534
There definitely could be something to it, sometimes people misunderstand their trans feelings as just a fetish. You're the only one who knows yourself and your life though so you should research and think about what you want out of life and what person you truly want to be.
So I live in the USA
Is alldaychemist a good site to order hormones from? Got a PO box im gonna pick them up from. Are they simple and easy to use? No prescription required right?
>>6197788
Wondering this myself too.
>>6192228
kek
>>6197788
yes to all.
Can I take like Advil or Ibuprofin while on Spiro, Estradiol, and Finasteride? I can't remember if that was bad or not since I haven't really had a use for it in forever.
>>6200847
I've been taking it to deal with muscle pain from spiro. I've had no problems.
I'm not taking finasteride tho so you'd have to check that one out for yourself.
>>6200847
as long as you don't already have high blood pressure you should be fine
>>6192470
the effects are so minimal that it's not worth it. estrogen and spiro are really not that expensive. if you live in the u.s., they are quite easy to get a hold of
>>6185516
gaining weight is just eating to the point where you always feel full - like can't eat any more full.
>>6201223
>estrogen and spiro are really not that expensive. if you live in the u.s., they are quite easy to get a hold of
How do I get them in canada? neither inhouse or allday ship to canada apparently...
>>6170383
Who is paying you?
What is this "phantom vagina" thing I hear about, specifically? Like, what does it feel like?
>>6202424
Not sure. I do know that for me, I can't masturbate normally. I have to stimulate my perinium somehow. Maybe that's it?
>>6202424
People born without limbs experience "phantom limbs" too. Same deal with males who have a very strong belief that they should have been born female.
Is there any way to get hormones legally without my parents knowing if I'm not old enough to consent?
Has anyone else felt like they're missing out by not having, like, this super-close friends-for-life type friendship with someone? It always makes me kinda sad that even though I have a good amount of friends, I'm not especially close with anyone.
>>6203397
Yes I feel like that often. Not really a trans specific feel though.
So my therapist is suggesting I'm not actually a girl but instead a repressed gay boy who could use a really good dicking from a hot gay man to resolve my depression. She believes this to be true despite understanding that sexual orientation and gender identity is different. Is there some truth to what she is saying? I don't know how finding a boyfriend would alleviate the crippling body dysphoria, jealousy from seeing other women, etc. but I might find happiness in knowing there is someone who loves me for who I am already. I've never been in a relationship before and my sex experience is nil.
>>6170606
isnt 5mg overkill? im pretty sure the research shows practically the same effect at 1mg.
>>6204786
While taking 1mg Fin I had a DHT level of 22.50 (range 106-719) so it wasn't entirely effective. Of course, going from 1mg to 5mg in my case is overkill, but my endo was comfortable prescribing it anyway. Why he prescribed 5mg instead of something like 2.5mg instead I'm not sure.
Do I have potential?
>>6205130
Your brow, nose, and matured hairline pose a potential problem as far as passing goes, but there's more to passing than just your physical appearance, and believe me when I say I've seen people a lot worse off than yourself (including myself tbhon). Other than that, your face has nice symmetry, your skin is perfect, and I personally like your lips a lot. It also looks like you know how to take decent care of your hair although you could do better with a flatiron.
>>6204740
My therapist said the same thing. Its not a bad idea to explore the option, anyway. If she's right, she's saving you from regretting transition later. Otherwise, its another proof you have dysphoria.
>>6205291
How do I explore the option when my social life is nonexistent? Besides, I already started HRT several months ago and it has proven effective so far.
>>6205404
that's something your therapist can explain better. Personally I've been advised to hook up with guys more. The idea is to be sure that I'm not feeling I need to transition as a way to be socially accepted by men (but that's my case, not necessarely yours)
>>6204740
my therapist said the same thing
explored just being a fem gay guy, comfortable for a few years
still never hooked up though, and the trans/agp/whatever feelings are still there too, hmm
>>6201169
>I've been taking it to deal with muscle pain from spiro.
DRINK MORE WATER
>>6204740
It definitely could be the case for some people, but it's really overstated how often it actually is. In a situation like yours I don't think it's likely. What you said here:
>I don't know how finding a boyfriend would alleviate the crippling body dysphoria, jealousy from seeing other women, etc.
pretty much explains it all.
I've been told similar things, despite the fact that the few attempts I've made at relationships collapsed precisely because I'm trans (jealousy of partner, not comfortable being physically intimate with my body, not comfortable being thought of as a guy, etc.).
Have you told your therapist the things you've said here, and also emphasised the presence of body dysphoria? Have you asked her why she feels you would experience symptoms of gender dysphoria because of your sexuality, specifically in your case rather than just generally?
Where can I find information for my doctor with recommended hormone levels in MtF individuals? My levels are below normal due to a low dosage of medication but my endo isn't comfortable prescribing anything higher.
Hey,
I live in quebec, canada and I'm 17. I don't want to come out to my parents and I'm looking for way to get ahold of atleast some anti-androgens to stop my terrible genetics from taking over.
I've read that I need to go full time for at least 2 years before i can get some of that here so I'm looking for different options.
I've thought about DIY and I think it would be a good option but I need more info. If somebody could help me out that would be great.
Is having gynecomastia an advantage? I have tiny man boobs and I wonder if it will have any influence on breast growth with hrt.
>>6205404
>I already started HRT several months ago and it has proven effective so far.
Assuming that you mean that it's helped you to feel better and more comfortable with yourself, that's a pretty good sign you're trans afaik. If you were just gay, you likely would not be enjoying the physical and psychological changes that come with HRT anywhere near as much.
Also this: >>6206024
Should I come out to my step brother and sister?
They live in the same house as me but we don't talk to each other and rarely see each other because they work a lot. I don't know their views but probably like my dads... They are like in there 20's and came from a conservative country so.
I'm kinda scared my parents didn't accept it so well but they suggested I tell them too.
>>6207209
1) Do you need their support?
2) Are you holding back from being your ~true self~ because of them?
3) Would the situation you are in become bad or worse if they don't take it well?
4) What would you gain from telling them? What would they gain?
I haven't told my brother yet and these are some questions that I've wondered myself.
>>6207388
no
not really
worse
maybe we would be closer? I don't know even if I come out to them then there is my extended family.
My parents basically want me to be more included in the family but I'm pretty sure they would be able to tell that I am trans since i look so much different from the last time I saw them. And I'm really scared they won't take it well.
I guess I probably won't. Thanks!
How much money is needed to really go through a full mtf transition
Hi so since forever I have been nervous about actually talking about my desire to become a women and the new law in my country gave me a bit of courage and I was able to tell to my gf and my best friend that I wanted to become transgender. They were both supportive and I started doing steps to see a doctor.
The thing that scare me is if the doc just dismiss what I want or does not take me seriously. I am also unsure if the result of my change would be good since I am 26 years old and I already feel old.
Does anyone got experience to share about their first time seeing their doctor and stuff?
I have been hiding the fact that i feel like a girl for my entire life, and now that im 20, i fear it may be too late to transition. I havent even come out to my parents, my face can grow a beard in a couple days, and my voice is deep. The only thing i have going for me is my body shape, and my body hair which isnt too bad....
>>6210103
I am also Canadian and also am depressive but I think it may be because of this. I am happy to know that I am not alone.Thanks.
>>6172608
I like that. It always bothered me. I always answered girl. Fuck I can't beleive I repressed until 24. My whole life is fraudulent vidya. How do I rebuild while I'm not done tearing down?
>>6210024
You will train your voice, entirely shed your old ego, cry more than you thought possible. Meet people who aren't your parents and friends and all of a sudden your life will feel like magic again. So I keep telling myself. Waiting for that magic, but I'm better every day. Poor humans of the 3rd world. Our suffering must be so hilariously trivial to them yet here we are. Privileged checked. We are degenerates but at least we are capable of choice. Free choice. For the trans kids in Africa who will never hear the word, or argue about a stupid bathroom like it matters...for all my dead trans ancestors and the kids who didn't figure it out in time. I'm doing it for them as much as myself because I need it. And attaching the other reasons makes me feel like less or privileged polished shit like /pol/ sees :3
New here, I've been dwelling on the thoughts of being transgender for a few weeks now. I've always acted sort of feminine my whole life, but over these last few years I've started to hate the way my voice sounds, my body hair, etc. I started thinking if I could just shave it all off and become some sort of smooth dolphin man I'd be set (but I can't shave worth a shit). I really felt like I'd be totally happy as an obviously male androgynous person, but recently I've been thinking it could be something else. I just don't know if I'd be doing it for the right reasons. I really just want to be able to wear cute clothes and cosplay as my favorite female characters and shit like that.
Now the real catch is, my sister is transgendered, and she's been going through the transition process for a few years now. She's practically done. I'd hate to throw another log onto that fire. Everyone around my family (friends, extended family, etc.) seems to be totally cool with it, but not because that's what they feel, more that they feel that's the progressive thing to do if that makes sense.
So tl;dr my sister is trans, I feel like I may be I have no idea what these thoughts mean, wat do
Any advice? I'm kinda lost and confused and too afraid to confront anyone about all this.
Can anyone speak as an exclusively "hetero sexual male" (implying) turned "randomly" "female"? I am not running around claiming lesbian because I'm not a woman, but inside like my soul is unequivocally a female. So on a neurological disorder level, yeah I'm broken. So like I only like females. I am not really at war with my penis. It's just not the right part but it works okay it's small and smooth and I get it. It's fun and because I'm only into chicks....
That's my hang up. I know I've decided HRT is legit I'm doing the gender evaluation thing which is fucking kike shit anyway but whatever need insurance coverage.
So like I'm not a sex deviant. I hate sex honestly cuz it's all wrong for me. I wanna be a house wife. I used to cross dress but like secretly as just pajamas under clothes, mom's panty hose and stockings nail polish girls sneakers age 4 and 6....
All signs point trans. But I only like girls. :l
Anyone have strong opinions?
>>6210299
You're an agp fetishist not transgender.
>>6210372
even if they are agp agp is still trans you nigger
>>>6210372
Wrong. Why would you tell her that
>>6210299
Your fascination in women can be a big component to what causes the gender dysphoria. You could be projecting your interest with women onto yourself, yet you don't see in yourself what you see in women, thus creating the dysphoria. However, it is the dysphoria which is causing you problems, not a harmless fetish (i.e. AGP). If you can't alleviate the dysphoria through crossdressing or whatever other means, well then... It's now a complicated matter.
Why do you crossdress? And in what ways do you experience gender dysphoria? With all the information left out of your post, it sounds like you could just be a transvestite, not a transsexual.
>>6210493
I don't want to look male or dress male to impress females. I don't truthfully much care who I attract sexually, I just know I'm not a man inside and I want my outside to match if I can't fix my brain without a bullet.
I don't know the difference between transvestite or any of that. It's not sexual to me. I do like women, but why would I project that onto myself? You sound like a college tumblr kid when you say that.
I cross my dress secretly. Pink socks to remind my soul I'm not dead. Long sleeves to hide scars and hair in the summer growing up. Pajamas under pants to keep distance between world and myself and feel comfortable in my own skin.
>>6210445
Haha just stop :)
>>6210518
You dislike hair, but what else? You still sound more like a transvestite than a transsexual.
>I do like women, but why would I project that onto myself? You sound like a college tumblr kid when you say that.
That's the textbook definition of autogynephilia. Don't look at me. I'm only passing along a message.
How wouldn't you be projecting your interest onto yourself?
>>6210281
t.Hon
>>6210291
Ask yourself if all the shit you'd have to do (training your voice, learning at least a little make-up, taking pills for you whole life, going trough the official channels in your country) is worth the whole cute clothes, cosplay and all that.
If these specific trains of thought continue to exist for a while you should definitely seek help.
If your family are part of the progressive left hivemind don't worry about acceptance or anything but they are probably going to compare you to your sister a lot. Additionally cis people and especially cis normies are never going to understand trans people anyway so don't even bother with that.
Hi, thread. I've been out for a while to my bf as FtM (I realized I was while on the relationship, in case you're wondering "why I didn't tell him sooner"). He's very supportive, but I'm not sure if he quite gets what it's all about. Are there any good resources I can show him for him to understand better? I've tried explaining myselfin the past but I just suck at it
How do you deal with the shame of wishing you were a girl?
>>6210759
Off yourself or go for it.
>>6210770
time to kill myself then
poll time
http://www.strawpoll.me/10236571/
http://www.strawpoll.me/10236571/
http://www.strawpoll.me/10236571/
>>6211599
"Becoming okay" would be "passing flawlessly as my preferred gender" which I can't do yet. However, HRT has been very effective in only one month and I look forward to where it takes me in 1 to 2 years. It has helped me a lot in coping. Although I still have bad days and the dysphoria is still there, I'm not extremely depressed or suicidal anymore.
>18 mtf
>be a shallow as fuck person
>no hobbies or interests
>anything that once interested me, i abandoned due to lack of skill and incompetence
>severe depression, with previous suicide attempts
>shithole second world country
>being openly trans = death
>family, close and extended, hates 'trannies'
>school a shit
>will probably fail this year
>crippling social anxiety
>afraid to ask for directions at a store
>all friends leave me eventually
>have bf
>long distance
>will probably end soon since i'm a shit
>trans thing makes me want to drink bleach
>start hormones recently
>half dose of spiro since i have at least a year left in this shithole
>estrogen would probably result in noticeable changes
>also no money
>barely pass in appearance, thanks to good hair
>spend nearly three weeks on voice
>literally make negative progress
>feel like i understand what i have to do less and less by the minute
>do falsetto
>reach highest pitch
>still feel chest vibration
>incapable of stopping it
>can't raise adam's apple either
>get mad
>yell
>scream is in guyvoice
>want to an hero even more
Honestly, asking for advice would be stupid, and i'm not even sure of the real purpose of this post.
Just killing time, i suppose.
Gonna go back to Honey and Pepper Vodka now.
>>6213727
I know you said you don't want to yet, but maybe reconsider taking estrogen. It really helps with the depressive moods. And consequently some of your other problems.
>>6213838
>reconsider taking estrogen.
Well, not only would it create noticeable changes, which, where i live, are dangerous as hell, but between the now double dose of spiro and estrogen i'd be taking, i'd have no money for anything else, whether it be lunch, cute clothes or booze.
>And consequently some of your other problems.
Elaborate. I've heard about some things estrogen helps with, but i'm not certain of what you meant.
>>6213926
As I see it, failing in school, not being motivated enough to keep hobbies, having anxiety, most self-esteem, are obviously because of your depression. "Self-medicating" with booze too.
I think you would feel better on full HRT. It's not only the physical changes (though not feeling too disgusted with one's body does help); most people report better mental status at 1-2 months, even before anything tangible happens. Maybe there's an independant mental effect. Also, less depression means you could work on your other problems effectively. Could be worth the risk and money.
As for hiding changes. Are you worried about the random people finding you have a "tranny face" or something ? Or family/friends you're seeing often ? If it's the latter, you can get away with a lot of changes, because they will be slow and people don't notice changes if they happen slpw enough. Though I don't know your situation so maybe too risky. Where are you ? Poland or some other full-catholic east european country ?
>>6214092
>As I see it, failing in school, not being motivated enough to keep hobbies, having anxiety, most self-esteem, are obviously because of your depression.
Other way around. Constant failures to produce good/adequate results in whatever project I take up and my complete lack of any social abilities are what are causing me to feel like this.
>"Self-medicating" with booze too.
I don't drink THAT often.
Just whenever I feel particularly shitty.
>most people report better mental status at 1-2 months, even before anything tangible happens. Maybe there's an independant mental effect.
I'll take your word for it, I suppose. Though I don't really see how estrogen will magically make me more competent at social interactions and whatnot - you know, the root causes of my depression.
>Also, less depression means you could work on your other problems effectively.
Doubtful about this one. All depression does is make me feel sad. Doesn't make me a vegetable, incapable of doing anything with one's life.
Nah, it's just the fact that I have tried what seems like everything to fix my life and it only brings on more strife and pain.
>you can get away with a lot of changes, because they will be slow and people don't notice changes if they happen slpw enough.
A year and a half or so is a long time. Enough for very noticeable changes to happen. And while most people wouldn't notice, my mom would.
>Though I don't know your situation so maybe too risky. Where are you ? Poland or some other full-catholic east european country ?
Not exactly, but pretty close.
We have political parties that make being anti-gay (just the word they use to describe anyone in LGBT) part of their policies, and they're fairly significant players. If outed, I'd be disowned, kicked out from home, and from that point on, it's free reign for anything.
So is drinking as bad as they say it is on hrt? Will i get liver disease? I care mostly about anything that will stop me from. Being able to take hormones.
I love drinking tho
Buuuump
>>6170383
Question one.
How to cure dysphoria without transition.
Question two.
Fuck you
Fuck, how do I tell my girlfriend that I want to be a pretty girl? We've been together for a year and I know she's understanding and accepting of trans people, but I have absolutely no idea how to come out to her.
To those who have done the real-life experience test: how was it? What was going to work or school like? How did people who know you react?
It seems terrifying to me.
>>6215650
lobotomy might work
>>6185516
Well, that girljuice will help detone you if you stop exercising. T makes maintaining muscles easy. On E you have to work at it to have muscles.
As for external things you can do, look at what crossdressers do. Just don't do them to camp proportions. There are crossdressers that go for absolute realism.
>>6202424
It feels like I have a vagina. It's especially strong when I'm half awake. More than a few times when my partner played with me, It felt like she was playing with my vagina, but I haven't had SRS yet.
>>6170383
are estradoil and spiro obsolete? i hear a lot of talk of other drugs.
>>6218254
considering those are taken by nearly all people on hrt, i don't think so.
>>6172728
Honestly, if anyone you know is going to a trans forum, they've got some explaining to do.
>>6216116
the RLE is just going fulltime
at least here in sweden, you can get hormones before it and then do the real life experience when you feel comfortable with it
personally i just went fulltime when i felt my voice was decent enough (i did have a failing boymode even prt-hrt though)
also i came out to everyone before actually going fulltime so it was no problems with that for me
if youre in one of those countries where you need 1 year RLE before you can even get on hormones, i recommend self medding
talk to people beforehand and i dont think it will be a problem unless everyone around you are religious nutjobs or whatever
good luck!
>>6218254
spiro has a less dangerous alternative in most of the world, but overall the difference is tiny.
>>6218370
what alternative are you talking about ?
Finasteride ?
>>6218370
What alternative is that?
>>6218358
I've been thinking about self-medding for a bit first. Does anyone know if anti-depressants will cause issues with that shit? I'm currently on Zoloft.
>>6214217
>All depression does is make me feel sad.
Then it's not really depression, is it ?
I am really confused but at the same time I'm not.
I'm 21. I am not trans, but I have gender disphoria and looking at myself in the mirror just to find everytime that I'm failing at being cute hurts really really bad.
I want to look exactly like a girl. I had peope telling me I'm cute, maybe once every million years someone on the streets think I'm a girl, and I don't look ridiculous at all, if anything I'm just a stylish guy with long womanly hair and sort of a feminine face. My friends always joke about me being a girl I guess, which admitely it makes me really happy inside that I look girly enough to make them joke about it.
I thought I was fine with this but I just keep wishing every single time that people confuse me as a girl more often, even though I really don't wish to be one, I LOVE being a guy and having a penis.
I don't know anymore. It's not a fetish even, it has nothing to do with it.
I was going to start on fin today because of my hairline is probably going to die on me soon, but while I was researching about it I had all these serious thoughts of also buying spiro and estrogens and a lot of things and shit. It realized I really want to look like a girl more than I thought but I still don't want to become one.
Even if I start, I don't know how to deal with growing boobs out of nowhere, considering I live with my family and they just think I'm FABULOUS but not gay or trans or anything, and if they find out that I have boobs I'm dead.
I have to add also that my life right now is totally fine. My family loves me, I have amazing friends that I know since we are kids and they obviously know I'm gay and I love traps and shit since day 1 and nobody gives a shit.
Thanks for reading I guess if you actually did.
>>6218485
I am YOU
I am YOU
Everything you said applies to me, except my life right now isn't that fine and I haven't told my friends about my fetishes
I plan on getting FFS at 25 and using HRT on/off until the end of my life to avoid becoming more masculine.
>>6215445
Bump 4 answer.
My friend is coming back on leave from the marines and he's begging me to get drunk with him again
>>6218485
>I have gender disphoria
>I want to look exactly like a girl
>My friends always joke about me being a girl I guess, which admitely it makes me really happy inside
>serious thoughts of also buying spiro and estrogens
>It realized I really want to look like a girl more than I thought
> I am not trans
I dunno anon, something here doesn't add up
>>6218600
You wouldn't be the first one I encounter here that is like me. It makes me feel a lot better knowing that I'm not alone. Everyday I find more and more people like this. How is it possible that there are so many people with a problem this complicated just because there isn't a specific definition for it?
>>6218683
I am just as confused as you, anon. I FEEL that I'm not trans but I can't assure it from a clinical standpoint.
The thing I'm really sure about is that I love looking like a girl, I am dysphoric and it makes me happy when people think of me as a girl.
BUT I don't, AT ALL, want to be one. At all. I am 100% sure about it.
>>6218708
The thing I'm really sure about is that I love looking like a girl, I am dysphoric and it makes me happy when people think of me as a girl.
BUT I don't, AT ALL, want to be one. At all. I am 100% sure about it.
I'm >>6218600
I have no problems with being a boy, it's just that I love when people treat me as a girl, and not only as a sexual way, it feels very good. When I get misgendered because someone is a bit away I feel all tingly (gaaayyy I know) and I have always felt like it.
I think I'd like being a girl but keeping my male parts, it's just that I'm too afraid of losing my family and friends over that
My mom has massive jugs so I'll probably develop breasts real soon, too
ThoughI feel that if I don't get on HRT I'll regret it later.
I'll do it and if it turns sour I'll stop, better than beating me over it for the rest of my life
>>6218750
forgot to greentext the first part
hopefully you got what I meant
>>6218763
Yeah don't worry.
And yep, I know that feel
But here's another enigma to see if we are also on the same boat on this one.
I feel exactly like that when people think I'm a girl, but I wouldn't like to keep being treated as a girl by people that already knows, for example my friends. I really don't want to become one and I'm very proudly a man. This just adds more shit to the soup of confusion.
