>AGP questions and answers
>Thoughts and feelings / emotions
>Help, advice, guidance
>Be cozy and chill out
>What is AGP?
Autogynephilia, from Greek αὐτό- ("self"), γυνή ("woman") and φιλία ("love")
Broadly, sexual or nonsexual arousal to the thought of oneself as a woman
>AGP is discredited and doesn't real!
No, you might be thinking of Blanchard's typology, which includes the idea of AGP. Regardless of whether or not you agree with Blanchard's ideas, AGP is very real to the people who experience it.
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>>6163245
noice..
didn't notice this from the last thread. i'll link it
agp fantasy
>>6164084
>guy
gross
>>6163351
honestly I don't get this whole "identity" thing
>>6164498
Tbh I think there is a tranny problem in the brain to a varying degree.
It makes male brains(str8 guys) get AGP and possibly end up transitioning, and female brains(gay guys) very likely to transition and at a quite young age too if possible
>>6164584
oh yeah, I have no doubt I'm fucked in the head
Didn't buy into AGP until I ran into one in my trans group. He was the oldest one there and everything had a very pervy feel to what he said. I bailed after a couple of sessions.
Last I heard he got SRS and was bragging on his blog about how it (new vag) will be prettier than his wife's.
Full fucking cringe.
>>6164795
Did they say they were agp or are you just assuming that agp=hon?
If you had the body you want who would you try to attract with it? Who is that husbando or waifu you're after and how would you use your new body to get them?
>>6164975
just some qt smart guy who i like, preferably pretty masc to live my fantasy
>>6164084
ahhh I recall this from femgen
>>6164940
Well, yes, Hon city.
But I don't consider non-passing trans women "hons."
>>6165653
I mean that if you don't pass, it doesn't automatically make you a hon.
>>6164975
A guy who is:
>kind of nerdy but a daredevil
>determined to achieve his dreams and works towards them
>not interested in getting topped, uninterested in men, and comfortable as a man while having no desire to be a woman or wear women's clothing
>faithful
>kind
>dependable
>fit
>intelligent
>skilled
>not necessarily the most social, but not a total sperg
How we meet:
>Out riding motorcycle one day
>Stop for some fuel and a snack at a gas station
>Meanwhile, he's approaching the gas station on his own motorcycle
>He looks over to see me snacking and thinks he would like to get to know me better
>He looks at his fuel gauge and decides to stop for gas even though he's at 3/4
>After fueling up, he comes over and starts a conversation
>He's cool and we decide to hang out for a while
>We ride together for a while, maybe each playfully racing or testing the other
>Later, we stop somewhere scenic and share stories, smiling and laughing the whole time
>We decide to swap phone numbers and head home for the night even though we both would have been up for a bit more
So really I don't "use" my body to get him.
>>6165254
Beta even as a girl, famalam.
>>6165659
so instead of "hon" you just use "agp"?
so where do i stick the dik
>>6166006
in da but hole
>>6166013
close-ranged penetration ahead
but hole
>>6166006
Right in here, Miss!
>>6165850
I don't exactly know what you're getting at.
I consider hons typically just late transitioners who don't pass. That's the general slang, right?
I don't assume that they are pervs. Possibly just repressed hard or found out their "ah-ha" moment much later.
So when I see a guy show up to a group of pre HRT trans people, and the whole group gets taken over by the new person who is in their mid 30's, and said they were SURE they were female since they were three. And everything else was pretty much talking about dressing up and purposely stopping by the mall to piss. So many mentions of pure vagina envy.
How do you fucking KNOW that you are trans and then wait 30 years and two kids before you decide to go full on "traaans"?
Probably because you let your fetish win.
>>6166102
you pretty much described a textbook hon
I feel completely disgusting
>>6166167
Fair enough, could they still be trans and AGP? Are AGP just hons in waiting?
>>6166225
they could. you could really be any combination of the three (+hon)
my pet theory is that if mtfg were forced to repress until age 40 they would mostly become hons, they have the same mindset
>>6166225
he was
>>6166247
or just kill themselves
Hello, this is the same guy from a few threads ago. I have looked into it a bit, and found some information on HRT that would not pass through the blood-brain barrier (BBB). ODM-201 is in stage III clinical trials, and the data indicates that it does not pass though the BBB in rats, and it does not effect the blood concentration of the hormones themselves in humans, implying that it also does not pass through the BBB in humans. DES, the estrogen, not the outdated crypto algorithm, would not appear to pass through the BBB in humans, but I cannot find good data due to most results focusing on the BBB during pre-natal development. There are SARMs, such as enobosarm, which affect only the muscle tissues, allowing for big muscles and feminizing effects from estrogens at the same time. Enobosarm is currently in stage II clinical trials. Also, combining all of this will probably cause liver issues, but IDK. Of course, you would still need surgery to remove the breasts, adding in SERMs will further complicate things and likely pass through the BBB.
>>6166548
>not wanting estrogen effects on your brain
why
Bica didnt pass blood-brain barrier in animal trials either
SARMs are useless with AAs that shutdown your receptors, you'd need to use gnrh blockers like Lupron if you want to be a roid-girl (again why)
>>6166602
Wouldn't a high enough dosage of a SARM be sufficient to overcome the effect of the AA on the muscle tissue, though?
>>6166610
they would have no receptors to bind to, especially with these new AAs that are used for advanced cancer-treatment and have maximum inhibitory efficacy
>>6166652
Would there be any way to allowing for feminizing effects, not have any neurological effects (i.e., not pass through BBB, must not directly effect blood concentrations of hormones), and allow for muscle growth?
>>6166679
>feminizing effects
>just pls no feminizing effects
wat
>>6166723
I still want things like body hair and fat distribution to be effected.
>>6164975
I dunno. I feel like I'd just want to keep living my life the way it is now, except I'd probably care a bit more about how I look since girls can make any fashion look cute.
I almost feel like my ideal situation would just be a case of a sex change being forced upon me. I had this dream the other day where I woke up a girl one morning, and since I interact with so few people little to nothing really changed, except for one girl who asked me my name, which I had to correct to the masculine spelling and tell her "I am - or was - a boy," and her reaction to that was a case of "oh, well I guess that's a thing, ok" rather than the awkwardness I see everyone get when they do it for real. It was just a thing that happened to happen to me, and that made me feel eerily at ease.
>>6166679
hgh/igf-1/insulin lol
you want too many contradictory things
>>6166652
According to here enobosarm has a ki of 3.8 nM: http://www.caymaneurope.com/pdfs/11603.pdf
While here it says that ODM-201 has a ki value of 9 mM: http://www.caymaneurope.com/pdfs/11603.pdf
Would't that mean that that specific SARM has greater binding affinity to the androgen receptor than that specific AA?
>>6166902
It's relative to substance concentration in blood plasma and you could find a dosage for either to work, but they will be conflictingso Im not sure its worth. And there are other nuances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligand_%28biochemistry%29
>>6166955
I will take this into account. Thank you.
>"Anon you were so desperate that you never found a gf, so you became your own gf?"
>giggles in background
How do I practice towards a girl voice
I want to be a girl on VoIPs, but my rediculously low man voice prevents even those shitty voice changer softwares from working
>>6167856
I'm pretty sure Trans Help General has that in the op, it takes months of training though
>>6164795
Why would he brag about this? Why would he assume it's gonna be prettier than his wife's? Why would he tell the whole world?
If i was an old hon who had a wife, I would be happy that I can finally experience some degree of real lesbian sex with my wife, or experience being vaginally penetrated by a man in a threesome if shes into that. That my clothes would fit me more like a real woman. I don't hate my penis at all, but I honestly would feel closer to a woman with a neovag. Oh and I'd also feel very guilty about destroying the organ my wife fell in love with, and may instead keep it if she was too attached to it.
>>6166102
Holy shit now I get it. There's "agp" and then there's AGP. Knowing your a girl since age 3 and no mention of dysphoria, or trying to man up? Dressing up and going to the mall JUST to use the womens? Fuck those hons.
>>6166247
I agree with your pet theory. I really feel sorry for the hons, I want to believe their not just fetishists.
>>6166548
>>6166602
I have to agree. I'm probably too masculine to pass without FFS and am gonna have to be stealth in public or be openly trans. At best if I do pass I'd be a very masculine amazon woman.
The main reason I'm considering HRT is the neurological effects. I've had psychological problems since early puberty and some never left me as I aged. I could very well have had dysphoria forever and not really realized it, I just assumed that was the way I was.
Also, if I'm already a tranny to begin with, I never have to worry about becoming a tranny down the road. I never have to fake being cishet for my partner and betray them eventually. I never have to wonder what HRT would be like.
agp is so frustrating
>>6167819
Is this at a high school reunion or something?
>tfw if you go to your high school reunion in 7 years, you'll probably be among the less achieving half
>>6170330
i'm just not gonna go...
>>6170512
Did your teachers have high expectations for you, senpai? They did in my case, well maybe up until they realized I was a bird with clipped wings by the latter half of 12th grade. Depression fucked with me so much.
>>6172259
oh i'm sure they did.
i graduated near the top of my class and went to a good school and never saw them again. now i'm going to be a neet again, for who knows how many years this time
>>6163245
Why is Roberta Close's picture being used to represent an AGP thread?
She's more of the gay male who transitioned half then the agp fetishist half so this makes no sense to me...
>>6172351
not exactly my style either
but...most of the time they're just cisgirls anyway so.....
>>6172376
>AGPs would have loved to do the same and look as good is the reason why
Oh well that makes sense.
Julia Serano would be a better example of an agp though, pic related.
>>6172381
>most of the time they're just cisgirls anyway so.....
What who? =/
>>6172438
>who?
The OP pic of these threads are usually of a cis woman
>>6172376
heh, I even managed to get through uni fairly alright. that's when depression started but it came and went. i didn't even know what agp was and at worst i was fapping to shemale porn more than i wanted to. i thought things were looking up but it all came crashing down
I'm definitely AGP and I do get aroused by the thought of being a woman but I never look at porn as opposed to a lot of the people itt. What does that mean?
>>6172503
and the last one cis i'm sure. if you can show me she's trans then i'll shit in my pants and eat them on live stream
i was in CS. never got hired at all. after a couple years i went to grad school but got kicked out due to my grades
>>6172536
Sounds like me before HRT (the thought of being a girl doesn't arouse me anymore to the best of my knowledge). I don't know what it means. At the very least, I know porn didn't make me any particular way.
>>6172536
It means you're tru-AGP unlike these AGPtrenders who had their minds scrambled by the erotic jew
AGP sure is some retarded shit but god I love having tiddies.
>>6172643
Howd you get them?
>>6163245
I've had a strong fantasy towards the imitation of the female/form role my entire life, it's not just for myself but for others as well.
I've tried to resist it my whole life but it's an uphill battle that can't be won. I'm considering just taking HRT and living as a women. I'm fucking depressed and have no self esteem as a guy because I just can't be a closet crossdresser one week out of the year and expect to find any sexual fulfillment.
pic is me
>>6172701
Then do it.
>>6172763
Need a lot more time to think it over and probably will take to a therapist. but it's something I have been really considering
>>6172777
You really have to go for it. If it really feels good to look in the mirror and see a female form, there is no way hrt will be bad for you.
Got any other pics?
>>6172829
Don't think it's quite that simple haha. I posted a few here
>>6168511→
>>6172855
I don't see why not. You can take it as far as you want, but hormones are only one step, and most of their effects are reversible if you regret it down the line. How tall are you btw?
>>6172869
naturally very skinny but I do a lot of squats and deadlifts so my lower body actually looks decent
>>6172871
and i'm 6'1
i know it's one step at a time but i'm not going to dabble, it's 100% or no go
guys whats agpg, i read the oP post and i still dont get this shit
>>6172938
You have good leg to torso ratio. You look really well proportioned for someone your height.
Are you close to family and do you think that could be a significant barrier? I know a lot of people try to shield their family, but that often ends up hurting them in the long run.
>>6172943
basically imagining we are girls makes our wee wees tingle
>>6172943
Accelerated Graphics Port. Look it up on wikipedia.
>>6172960
i don't understand what you're saying
your first three are pretty common
>>6172946
Not close with them and I'd never be comfortable talking to them while transitioning or while living fully as a girl
>>6172960
some get desperate and get on hormones, others just manage to live with an unfulfillable fantasy for the rest of their lifes. varies from individjal to individjal.
>>6172970
then what is the difference between this and MTF or cross dressing?
>>6172975
the trans community thinks the difference is that transexuals feel like they're real women on the inside and so that makes them true women.
there is no real difference in the end except that MTF transexuals life their lives as women and take hormones, have surgeries, etc
>>6172975
we generally aren't so deluded as to think we are women ;^)
>>6172975
>denial
>anger
>bargaining
>depression
>acceptance
most people here are somewhere between bargaining and depression
>>6172998
Yeah I would love to find a trap, I'm actually working on getting a date with very passable transgender guy sometime, I still cant believe its a dude
i hate how transexuals think tranny chasers are a bad thing, they should be happy there is a high demand for them in the sexual market
>>6173002
I'm at the acceptance stage after having a number of experiences with psychedelics. Now I'm just torn on what's next. I've been depressed over this most of my life
>>6172986
desu i do think there's tru trans people in the world. Why else would someone be repulsed by his dick by age 5, have primarily female interests and friends, be naturally effeminate, etc... I really do think that there's a physical mistake in their brains that makes it female-like.
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>>6173006
I think it's like how fat SJW's pretend there getting fetishized so they feel lusted after.
I don't even know the definition of a chaser
>>6173006
I wish I could date someone like you. I'm currently in a long term relationship with another trans girl, but I feel like I cant talk about my AGP with her so my sex life is pretty much dead since I can't really do the things that really get me going without feeling guilty.
>>6173009
Check out the trans help general thread
>>6172998
men are gross sorry
>>6172998
i think most agpers are lesbianic so you might be fucked
>>6172998
Are you good looking?
>>6173055
Unless he gets on hormones
>>6173055
It sort of depends really I think. Some like girls until they start HRT then slowly get attracted to dicks. Personally, I'd consider myself somewhere between gay and straight, and not necessarily hard bi, and that's without taking a single dose of hormones. If I do transition I'd definitely go out more with guys.
Honest opinion guys I've been posting photos in the last several images of myself and I'll include one more that shows part of my face
Would I ever be passable if I slimed down and took HRT?
Note this picture is completely unedited and I wasn't wearing makeup of any kind nor was I using any weird angles/poses to hide anything
>>6173095
>used to wear sisters panties
>fat ass
>greek god/10
Sounds like my type. Are you tall?
>>6173111
I'm coming to the realization I might be a manlet bitch.
I'm 5'10, only 19 I guess I could grow more?
I starved myself in the 8th grade so maybe it fucked me but everyone in my fmaily is pretty tall
I've begun to accept the fact that I'm a chubby, AGP, non passing hon. I mean, there are still guys out there willing to have sexual relations with me, and it usually shuts down my dysphoria for a while, so it's okay.
>>6173109
Your shoulders are on the wide side and your face is kind of long, but you have nice legs and ass. If you slim down your upper body while maintaining lower body mass and get a nice framing hair cut, good make-up, and hrt could get your face a fighting chance, but more up close face shots are needed for better assessment. You might need FFS.
>>6172701
What are you doing for boobs in this picture?
>>6173126
Yeah, I do wonder how HRT would help that. But honestly I do think having a good body would make up for having a semi-passable face as long as its not overtly manly.
Your outline was my basic plan, however. I was ~155 in that photo, ~175 in this one, if I got down to 120 while maintaining my lower body I think I would look a lot better. My face would still be long and my chin/jawline would be strong, as you will see in this pic I just uploaded
This is not a direct photo of my face but it has a very high resolution so just zoom in on that region
>>6173138
Nothing lol
>>6173148
I would recommend you bulk up the legs and ass further. Keep in mind hrt will also relocate fat.
I think your face has a shot. You might not have the prettiest face, but with the right work it could be passable
>>6173183
I think a suitable haircut + HRT + weight loss could do wonders, especially if I wore proper makeup and all that (only eyeshadow in that photo).
Thanks for the advice it means a lot
>>6173109
you look kinda hot in a gender bender kind of way.
>>6173189
No problem. Keep up the good work.
>>6173148
120@6'1 is really underweight and you need fat to hide male skelly
>>6173211
Better she gains fat after hrt so it goes to the right places.
>>6173224
yeh, and it's also easier after hrt.
>>6173230
So it is agreed then that it is better for her to cut down now rather than later. Maybe not to 120. I am around her height and even at my anorexic peak I never got that low.
>>6173257
I'll worry about that part later, but I definitely would need to slim down regardless because I've put on a lot of mass in my arms/chest/back. this photo demonstrates it more clearly, it was taken 4 months ago though...
>>6173257
what if she doesn't cut down at all. Since excercize might reduce her body fat and that includes her facial fat then maybe itll worsen her long face problem. Imo she looks fine as she is rn.
>>6173262
Hormones will help you lose upper body muscle fast.
>>6173266
Fat distrubution changes are more prominent if you gain the fat while on estrogen rather than having to move it while its on you already.
>>6173280
because before estrogen 100% of the body's fat is male-distributed while after estrogen only old fat is female-distributed?
>>6173109
tough luck with that chin but HRT will reshape your face hugely
cant do much with shoulders though
>>6173579
got any pictures with same lighting and angle?
>>6173579
ye look like angle trickery
>>6173589
no, its a trip from mtfg, they might have more pics
You guys keep talking about anti androgens and HRT. Do you take lower dosages or something so you don't go full mtf mode or what?
And how would you get them in Canada? I've always considered myself femmy but a little help couldn't hurt.
>>6173262
>120lbs
>need to lose mass
lol, Im 6' thin bones,130lbs and Im a literal skele, people think I'm dying, like cab drivers asking why dont I eat more. Also when you starve hardcore your lose facial fat which is really hard to get back.
Your arms already look like sticks, I doubt you could lose more muscle w/o HRT or literally starving yourself.
HRT will give you nice butt/hips fat for more fem proportions overall.
>>6173621
It takes like 2 years of 'standard' doses to make a girl out of a guy, low dosage wouldn't suppress T enough.
You should ask in transhelp and your local forums, afaik Canada has good state trans support.
>>6173641
I'm not sure they'd be receptive to somebody wanting to play around with pills for vanity the way we degenerate fucks do here, but it might be worth a shot
Canada Post will confiscate pills unless you show a prescription, and I'm thinking that would require being considered transgender.
>>6173664
you are not degenerate, you are repressed trans in denial ^)
>>6173716
Tomato tomato.
>>6173621
just upped mine to 4mg ;^)
>>6173824
Reading and taking mail is a huge leap from customs confiscating pills.
>>6173834
i guess customs is a different beast. still, even we don't do that in the states and we're completely bought out by cartels and pharma
>>6173856
rip
Don't you need prescriptions for that shit anyways? or do they just let you import generics from India and fuck up your dick and grow boytitties.
>>6172536
Nothing. Why would it matter if you already know you're AGP?
>>6173867
idk exactly. it's probably a grey area. a lot of prescription drugs are low on the schedule list so they don't really bother i think. it's not legal to have them without prescription but it's just not enforced i guess
>>6173095
See this is what I hate about AGP. You get the sexual part during early puberty when you can't even consent to sex and have poor impulse control and then well you know the rest. ;)
Ok whoops thats creepy, ok time to get your own panties so go ask mom to buy you some? Ehhh better not. Have money and transporation so go to mall? Butbutbut so embarassing and what if someone who knows me sees me buying them?
Nowadays teens can use genderqueer as an excuse to get their AGP on in public. I mean if your gonna rock panties you might as well have a skirt/dress/girl jeans.
>>6175576
I'm pretty sure nobody can do thqt nowadays
You're just delusional
I want to say. All of you girls in this thread are wonderful. My dick thanks you for sharing your experiences.
>>6175650
Probably depends on how LGBT friendly the community is. A redneck/fundie christian community no way, San Francisco? Why not.
>>6173579
I've read people on here who say that HRT did barely anything to their face too though.
>>6176709
HRT did a lot for my face. I know milage varies, but I've met a few other people in person and their faces have changed pretty drastically on HRT.
>AGP
>Take trans hormones
How and why? Doesn't that make you a mtf?
>>6175576
also now you can buy EVERYTHING online
and all info is available and all the good new meds
why was I born too early
>>6176722
AGP is just a different reason for transition for a lot of the more extreme cases.
>>6176722
No, it makes us dirty fetishists. Ask anyone
>>6176722
You can be both, in varying ratios. Only the most delusional of AGP people would transition only because they find it hot; there'd normally be some degree of dysphoria there, even in the cases where the arousal/sexual aspects are the main motivating factor.
>>6176762
spot on assessment
>>6176719
I feel that my facial structure is feminine enough (except for my damn eye brows) that it wouldn't be hard for me to pass as a girl, or at least androgynous, but I remember the people saying that, that they were in pretty much the same situation which worries me a little.
>>6176832
AGP is a kind of trans.
That is the whole origin of the term. It is one of the two types of transsexual.
The truth is most of us here will either end up transitioning or die. It really is no different than trutrans when it comes to that. There is a great amount of stress involved with being unable to reach the fulfillment of finally looking in the mirror and seeing a woman there. Our reasons for it might be different than theirs, but we are no less trans really.
Who else fantasizes about being turned into a girl and feeling your sexual orientation gradually shift from women to men? And then you girl talk with your new female friends about your developing taste in guys, what your type is and what you find attractive, etc...
>>6176832
I don't buy that line. I think it's just projection on the part of people who are really, really attached to a gender so they fail to understand people might not be
>>6176862
often i fap now based kind of on that fantasy. like a meta attraction to men. it'd be easier i guess if i had any interest in actually dating them though
>>6177260
>Meta-attraction to attraction to men
>Not attracted to men
I know that feel 100%, bro.
>caitlyn jenner is now bruce again
it's not like I was really planning to transition but this just makes me even more nervous about hormones. like what is my end game? I don't have one. so I guess I'll just be another circus freak?
>>6176876
then prove it. start hrt
>>6178679
if it makes you feel better, this article is 99% definitely bullshit.
>>6178722
I already have
I don't really feel any different several months in
>>6178679
I'm pretty sure it's mostly older transitioners that detransition anyway. They would have more reason to, after all. They sacrificed everything for transition, and at the end, they don't even reach shore.
>>6178749
....i am an older """""transitioner"""""
>>6179364
How old are you?
>>6179438
that was the migration i had from hrt
>>6172943
AGP: when you're not that upset for not being born a girl
>>6179426
>25
get out, it's not too late for you yet, it's your life so stop carting about others and think of who you are and who do you want to be
>>6179695
wouldn't it be nice to have dreams and goals?
>>6164096
>>guy
>gross
women are gross anon. what seems more inviting, slimy roast beef flaps or a nice, warm sausage?
>>6182222
Warm inviting folds over a stick attached to a scratchy pudge of hair
>>6182222
>slimy roast beef flap
attractive fit girls with good genes have pussies that look cute little pink rose petals
>>6182222
i want slimy roast beef flaps to put a warm sausage in
>>6166247
That's what I think too. I haven't met any in person, so I can't say for sure. But maybe that describes the more normal late transitioners, while the weird ones we cringe at are something entirely different.
>>6182324
Who do you mean by normies in this case? Just non-AGP, or non-trans?
>>6182247
>attractive fit girls with good genes have pussies that look cute little pink rose petals
While that sounds less gross, it still sounds unappealing.
W-wait, am I still AGP if I find pussy and the thought of possessing on kind of gross?
>>6182374
No. You are probably autogynemimetophilic (AGMP)
>>6182324
I am bisexual, probably like 75-25 girl/guy...if I was a transwomen I would want to find a girl who is into this sort of shit and then occasionally have a threesome with another guy. I don't think I'd ever want to fuck a guy 1 on 1.
>>6182389
Would you date another transwoman?
>>6182374
Uh that sounds pretty not AGP.
>>6182459
as a dude, yes. as a transwomen? fuck no. if I was a transwomen I would never date or have any sexual encounters with one
>>6182487
That makes me sad, but I understand.
>>6182492
i've never liked shemale on shemale porn either. the lack of any contrast between masculinity/dominence and femininity/submissiveness makes it really dumb imo.
lesbians are cool though just because they're far more aesthetically pleasing, and the way they have sex is way different
>>6182506
you already posted this...
>>6182385
>No. You are probably autogynemimetophilic (AGMP)
>>6182477
>Uh that sounds pretty not AGP.
To be clear, I'm exculsively attracted to men and transwomen. However, I could probably be in a relationship with a woman if she was a bit butch and we didn't have to have sex. I thought I was straight for most of my life, then later discovered that my kinks mostly involved men and trannies. I fapped to a lot of trans porn and futa. Eventually I started fapping while crossdressed. Basically I just want to be a really effeminate male who looks a like a reverse trap. But with the dick rather than without. I can leave or take the boobs, but I think id rather not look entirely female. If thats not AGP it still seems to be something related.
>>6182567
not only do transfolk strongly identify with their label of being called a "transsexual" and that fetishists or AGP-folk aren't the same, but AGP people from what I can tell in this topic, also seem very attached to their label of having AGP and would probably tell you you're not
who the fuck cares? you like what you like. words are too limited to describe reality
>>6182487
you are transphobic, hotass
>>6183056
It's natural to not want to be a transbian.
>>6182511
So you are basing your ideas of what sex with actual people is like on what you've seen in porn?
This topic reminds me one transgirl who couldnt shut up how guys are gross and only another transgirl could understand her and make her happy and all that stuff - she was living with one at the time.
Then after they violently broke up the tune has changed completely - only dating guys now.
>>6183138
>only another transgirl
There's your problem
>>6183138
Lesbians -
Not real in cis or trans women.
I know most of these girls saying men are gross are still in their elementary school girl, "Boys have cooties, eww!" stage. It's because guys give them these strange feelings inside so they think they got sick.
>>6183217
Hon-tier post
I cringed
>>6183233
Don't pretend kouhai, be honest with yourself.
>>6182613
Yeah but people want a sense of belonging. Its pretty miserable being the only one who does something while not being part of a group (online or otherwise.)
>>6183217
Please tell me more about how someday soon I'll get curious about boys' bodies, senpai.
>>6183363
Perhaps this post I made a while ago is relevant to you. http://deploy.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/5592604/#5601077
>>6183385
>"Hey, beautiful" he says with a handsome, dopey smirk using his low, groggy voice
The idea of a man getting sexual pleasure from me, like really thinking how it would go down, is pretty icky. It's like... fundamentally, they're my sexual competition, because I'm a straight guy despite all my AGP fantasies. So fucking a guy is sort of like aiding the enemy team?
But the idea of being *forced* to like it... that's fucking hot.
>>6183318
Yeah, but you still hold the double standard for normie lesbians even if there is no contrast between masculinity and femininity.
>>6183426
Do you think these two posts that I made might be up your alley? I remember the first going something like this:
>A male classmate approaches you after class, looking for help with homework or something I can't remember
>You think he's done talking to you, but then he gets you up against the wall, leaning on one arm against the wall to keep you pinned there
>He says he knows you've been taking HRT and have started looking cute
>You're staring at the ground and your face is hot from blushing
>He puts his other hand up on the wall to force you to look at him and he pushes his leg between yours, causing you to spread them
>He says "I want you to be the girl hanging off my arm"
>He forcefully kisses you
The second was about a Chad best friend who would notice you were actually trans and then started feeding you HRT in secret. Then he would treat you more like a girl as time went on. You start growing breasts without knowing why, but you don't mention anything about them to anyone because you like them. One night he would ask to stay over at your house, and after some hesitance, you agree. When you're alone, he sneaks up behind you in just a towel after his shower and grabs you in his buff arms. At first, you try to resist, but from his touch, even the desire to pretend to resist melts away.
Unfortunately, search isn't up on the archive, so I can't actually link either. I meant to also link the first one in the first place too.
>>6183485
Yeah I should. Ultimately I can't explain what I like.
Though I can attempt to explain that - lesbians are a little different since they don't have dicks - so it forces them to basically just get each other off sexually without penetration.
That said there is also dominant lesbians with strap ons and I find that hot as fuck too.
>>6183630
Whatever I guess.
is this a sfw board?
>>6183673
oh and the fact that i'd want a women to fuck me while i was in girl-mode makes it less logical
>>6183717
It is sfw. You shouldn't post anything too lewd here.
>>6183717
It is supposed to be SFW.
>>6173109
this is kind of hot. you into boys or girls?
>>6184837
yep
>>6184861
So fucking hot.
AGP isn't real
>>6176832
>The trans party line is that hrt makes cis people extremely dysphoric.
Yeah that's bullshit.
Girl pills just feel really great and anyone who's not attached to a "masculinity = value" narrative would be happier taking them.
>>6189459
I think it's just that trannies are incapable of understanding that not all people are adamantly attached to a single gender
>>6189459
>>6189518
I never knew there was such a divide between trans and AGP
Look at this thread in reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/4j8k5e/what_is_the_deal_with_chasers/
I tried to argue all the points but many of them seem convinced that being super attracted to transwomen means you're either a fetishist and/or objectifying them
>>6189636
they just don't understand true loneliness and how great it is to have someone find you attractive for whatever reason. guess what? people like people for different and often specific things
>>6189675
aren't most trans people pretty damn lonely too though?
>>6189681
not if they're complaining about being chased
>>6189737
i meant before they transitioned. as well as the nonpass ones
>>6189748
i guess so. maybe i don't understand what point you were originally going for. (also reddit is susan's-lite)
i'm sure many are lonely, but i don't think those who denigrate chasers are truly lonely, because they're rejecting the very people who would love them. some dudes like girls with ___ hair or of ____ race, but guess what? nobody is going to date you and then years later go "hahaha man I trolled you so fucking hard, i never liked you at all! what a loser!"
>>6189846
>susan's-lite
...?
My point was that trans and AGP aren't all that different but there is a bitter sort of contempt between the two groups, based on what I've seen
>>6190032
https://www.susans.org/
i think trannies hate agp more than the reverse, but when people hate you you tend to be less sympathetic to them. not sure how it relates to chasers though
>>6189636
Well part of AGP for some is being viewed and treated as a woman. So once again some strong overlap with trans.
>>6189846
As a would be hon I'd be cool with a cute, fun respectful chaser that loved my girldick. Some chasers are like that, but others can be repulsive, or so i've heard. I've always been attracted to qt transwomen, so I don't see the problem with others liking them too.
>>6190264
a lot of trannies hate it because it reminds them of their maleness really
>see myself in the mirror looking girly
>sproing
agps are just trannies my ass hole
>>6191418
trans:
>see self in mirror looking girly
>happy
agp:
>see self in mirror looking girly
>sexual arousal
isn't it basically just a desire to look a certain way for happiness/hedonism/ego?
>>6189636
I guess you are the account with the numbers? you probably shouldn't bother going to reddit for any helpful agp/trans advice. reddit's good for a lot of advice topics but not that one
I need to stop this. Every single day for the past 15 years I've fapped to AGP shit, dominating my life and sexual identity. Going back and forth and back and forth thinking about transitioning or not over and over again, breakdowns and revelations and pullbacks and purges every which way. Getting really comfortable as femgen but still not feeling like it's 'enough'. No relationships still even at my age, don't know where I stand.
Am I trans, am I just gay? Am I just a pervert, or just deluded?
Is it dysphoria I feel, or is it all just the deep-seated rush of vindicating an embedded feminization fetish?
Will this fetish ruin my life forever or what, or has it already? What will become of me in ten years time?
How can I find my way out of this maze?
>>6191899
ok, 15 years and it's been with you. seems like it won't be going away soon.
>Going back and forth and back and forth thinking about transitioning or not over and over again
things that make you go hmm..
how old are you?
>Is it dysphoria I feel, or is it all just the deep-seated rush of vindicating an embedded feminization fetish?
well the first would feel bad and the second would feel good no?
>or has it already?
>I need to stop this. Every single day for the past 15 years I've fapped to AGP shit, dominating my life and sexual identity. Going back and forth and back and forth thinking about transitioning or not over and over again, breakdowns and revelations and pullbacks and purges every which way. Getting really comfortable as femgen but still not feeling like it's 'enough'.
>What will become of me in ten years time?
agp dude
gril
skeleton
pick one i guess
>How can I find my way out of this maze?
if you have good luck at finding nonshitty therapists, that? wouldn't bet on that though
try hormones? well you might be just as confused
fuck
>>6191472
>tfw get both
>AGP feelings went away again
feels great lads
>>6191472
>>6192585
The funny thing is Blanchard would say the trans who is happy at their feminine reflection in the mirror without arousal, is still AGP. This is because a potential for arousal exsists. It's like when a man sees his gf in the morning, and is happy at her presence without getting a boner.
Once again huge overlap between AGP, ciswomen and tru trans.
>tfw agp cucks you from getting gf
>>6192764
same
>so cuckable i can even cuck myself
feels bad man
Whats the end game here since transition is not an option?
>>6193606
die alone as a fetishist virgin who will never ever ever be a girl or be feminine or even a cute femboi or even a successful normal guy because we're so insecure and unsure of ourselves
>>6193810
Being out as someone like that terrifies me, would be such a change, might as well just go all the way if I could lol. Also not into girls at all myself...
But maybe I only think I like guys cause my AGP is telling me it's more feminine??
I really don't get why we have an agp thread in here.
I'm not gonna insist you guys should transition and that you're just pushing evident denial and repression, it doesn't matter what I think. You insist it's a fetish and this isn't /d/ or /gif/, you don't see posts about diapers or dragon dildos or amputations. If you sincerely think it's your fetish then go away from the board about gender and sexuality.
>>6193862
it depends on how out
you can get involved in your local bdsm community and be out as a degenerate fetishist crossdresser there and keep it private in other areas of life
seeking an opinion on this topic
AGP is a complicated topic for me, I do get aroused (sometimes) at the thought of my femininity, but it's not really BECAUSE of the femininity. The truth is I despise being forced into being male so much that any sexual thoughts as a male just fail to turn me on or excite me. If however I think about my sexuality as female (my default position) I get turned on like I should.
I guess what Im saying is, when I think of myself as female I have pleasant natural sexual impulses, when I force it and try to think of myself as male in a sexual situation, I get turned off and freaked out.
Is this AGP?
>>6193870
>fetish
>not sexuality
>>6182567
I think you're just gay desu.
>>6194172
You just sound plain old trans t b h
>>6193862
Go try it, you never know until you do.
>>6192764
Accelerated Graphics Port?
>>6194323
>Who says transition is not an option?
my potential future ugliness, ostracism and poverty?
>>6199503
This is a huge problem for MtF transgenders, depending on how transphobic your locale is.
Hopefully hondom will become hugely acceptable in the 2020s. Lily Wachowski is a total hon, so maybe a trend will start soon.
>>6199601
nah they'll just forbid hormones from anyone under 40
>>6199601
Is lily the fat one or the pink haired crazy?
>>6199680
They're both kikes. It doesn't matter.
>>6199680
Lily is the fat one lol
>>6199601
not every part of the world shares the same enthusiasm about trans-trend as the west
Also transitioning just to be a hon is not acceptable.
