When is it too late to transition?
If you can handle people laughing at you, never.
>>6043579
When growing your hair out and/or wearing a skirt/dress is no longer all you need to pass for female.
>>6043579
depends on genetics if you start past puberty, if your like 20 something you definitely have a shot and if you can afford ffs down the road you will make it
>>6043611
People over the age of 20 can pass? I thought you automatically become a hon after 18. Do you have to be a twink to pass?
>>6043623
like I said genetics matter alot more then age past puberty, if you style your hair properly, learn makeup if you need it, take care of your skin, fix eyebrows, train voice etc you will likely
make it unless you got 100% fucked
>>6043623
>tfw 20 and pre hrt
>tfw pass and regularly go out as a grill in public
feels good to not be a 6'4 caveman with massive feet and a Hercules jaw
>>6043579
Do you want to play dark souls with me?
>>6043623
started 10 days before 21 and i pass easily after 9 months hrt. its mostly genetics
>>6043623
You become a hon after mid 20s because you stop being an early onset tranny.
>>6043579
plenty of girls started in their late teens-early 30s and can pass easily. It depends on your facial traits mostly.
If your body is short or small framed, lose muscle and become thin, you can pass in that department easily if you know how to dress.
If your face isn't feminine enough, get some surgeries. Jaw surgery does wonders nowadays.
Look at Lana Wacowsky. Nobody though she could pass, but, if you aknowledge that she is an old woman, and not really pretty, but in terms of passability, she is totally passable. You couldn't tell she was a man unless you knew who she is beforehand.
Just think: passable doesn't mean "pretty", it means you pass as a woman.
So, passable after your 30's? it's just a matter knowing what to do and, a bit of money and a bit of genetics.
Pretty as a cute trap from the porn industry? that's a different question.
>>6044787
This is I think where most people get confused.
Passing != being attractive
Lana is perfect. I always thought she passed well, she looks just like my cis step mum. But she ain't good looking.
>>6044787
>Pretty as a cute trap from the porn industry? that's a different question.
You either have to start at 13, or have been a girly faggot at 18.
There is no too late.
>>6043579
lgbt told me 18 is when things get past the point you will never be a cis looking cutie.
24 is the limit for looking like an average cis girl if you put a shitload of effort and money on it.
>tfw 27.
I won't say more.
hi there OP, im going to give it to ya straight up. no memez.
You can transition whenever, BUT, if your goal is to pass, then time and money and effort come into play. see chart below.
>hrt @ 14 and below.............
>typical things all girls put effort into not just trans people, hair, makeup, clothes, skin care
>sit back and let hrt do its magic
>you probs dont even need to work on voice
>hrt @ 15 to 17..................
>typical things all girls put effort into not just trans people, hair, makeup, clothes, skin care
>voice training
>brow bone surgery if you're feeling fancy
>facial hair removal..... if you have any. (laser, electrolysis)
>hrt @ 18 to 21
>typical things all girls put effort into not just trans people, hair, makeup, clothes, skin care
>voice training is a must
>brow done surgery and maybe adam's apple shave, you can pass without it but it'll get you clocked sometimes
>facial hair removal is a must (laser, electrolysis)
>hrt @ 22+
>typical things all girls put effort into not just trans people, hair, makeup, clothes, skin care
>voice training is a must
>facial hair removal is a must
>brow bone and adam's apple surgery will be needed 90% of the people who transition later then this
>hrt @ 27+
>everything in the 22+
>you'll 99.99% need full FFS also
>hrt @ 45+
>shouldn't you have a wife and kids by now? get off of 4chan you old man
>>6043579
Tomorrow.
>>6043579
More importantly, when is it too late to transition if you actually intend on looking pretty? Anyone can pass as an ugly mannish girl but thats not the point.
can people over 18 post timelines?
>>6045079
That's nice, but I'm assuming OP wants to pass.
It's all about genetics.
If you look cute now, you're going to cute as a grill.
If you have a strong jaw, heavy brow, sailor hands, and you're 6'0+, your chances are sadly on the slim side.
Early twenties is the cutoff generally speaking.
Post age and post face, this is the best way to determine if it's too late for you. And I'm sorry if it is too late, but being infertile and hon-tier is a death sentence.
>>6045222
look cute as a grill*
It's late ;.;
>>6045210
ive been posting my shitty timeline a lot lately. i guess im an attention whore. roast my shit up senpai
i started at 21 and it definately isnt too late but i think its close for most people. genetics are way more important as ive seen girls who started at 14 and still dont look quite right. face also isnt everything and body proportions are important as well.
>>6045156
>adam's apple surgery will be needed 90% of the people who transition later then this
I don't have an adams apple
>>6043579
birth
>>6043661
>tfw one year on hormones
>tfw will never pass
>>6045265
>mullet at 5 years old
You should burn your parents' house(s) down to be honest, senpai.
>>6045424
how else was i supposed to be the blonde kid version of kurt russell?
>>6045265
>before
Looks like Jonathan lipnicki
>after
Looks like one of the boys from Hanson
>>6045402
Aw, I'm sure you look fine.
Post face.
>>6045453
nice! gonna get ffs in a couple years tho so its ok
>>6045470
You don't need it all. After you hit 3 years you're going to be perfect. Just bad banter desu
>>6045468
No I won't, sorry
But my face looks pretty much like pic related except I have a shittier hairline.
This is when it's too late to transition OP.
Don't worry about that "Oh if you're starting after 13 you'll be a hon" bullshit.
I started hormones when I was 29, I'm 30 now, I've been on estrogen, progesterone, and spiro for exactly one year and one day as of right now. Do I pass? No. Plain and simple. If I put a lot of effort into my hair and makeup, I've got about a 50/50 chance of people seeing me as a woman, until I talk.
>>6045156
this post right here, is probably the most accurate you're going to get. As you get older, you need to be prepared to sink a lot of time and money into this. You're going to need hair removal, at $300cdn a shot, you're going to need to buy hormones at $120cdn monthly if you don't have insurance prior to coming out, you're going to need to do hundreds of hours of voice training, you're going to need reconstructive facial surger at about $15-30,000cdn. Basically nothing is covered under health care, and as you get older you're going to have to ballance your transition and your life, and it's going to be dicey as fuck at times, but it won't be too late.
Some of these people start femme, get on mones, and in a few months they're a qt grill.
Don't worry about them, just worry about your journey. It get's longer and more difficult as you get older, but until you're in that hole in the ground, it's not too late.
Never too late, just do you. Now if you don't want to look like a man in a dress I've seen 30 year olds start hrt and pass so basically what it comes down to is 25 is absolute max without perfect genetics and 30 max with perfect genetics. Even then if you have shit genetics puberty will fuck you up forever.
But again, just do whatever if you can handle it. I don't care
>>6045275
neither do I kayla, I may be tall and have big feet, but at least I dont have an adam's apple.
Never too late! Just look at the poster child of pretendbian movement.
Female pattern baldness is real.
Idk, but why did you start your thread with a spoiler for Dark Souls III?
>>6044787
She doesn't pass.
>>6045222
I was cute, but I am not so sure about this haircut. Just omg I might jump off a building.
>>6043579
13
I might be able to pass but I wanted to stay cute and small.
Im just like an Amazonian now
I'll never be able to climb trees again.
Forever a fucking beautiful behemoth.
Why even bother?
Who cares if you're pretty if a guy will never spin you around or carry you on his shoulders.
I want to die.
>>6046559
Perhaps to every neoteny obsessed tranny on this board she's an obvious hon, along with every other 50 year old average-looking lady they pass on the street.
>>6045736
You can pass, I've seen girls that look like this irl. Passing and being traditionally beautiful are different. Everyone wants to be pretty, and I'm sure you will be for someone. Personality is very important also.
How much has this new haircut ruined my life? Just omg I only wanted to not be hot and sweaty in the summer.
>>6046522
It's not a spoiler, you dimwit. You literally see this guy on the promos everywhere.
I'm already 26, is that too old to transition? Or would I look too girly to pass?
>>6043579
if you have to ask, it's too late
>>6045265
put your hair back to 3rd pre hrt picture
>>6045265
>tfw I'll never pass and look this cute
But yeah, OP I usually see people here saying ~25 is encroaching on hon territory. Sooner is always better though, obviously.
>>6045470
Be careful. You have a pretty face. Don't make a mistake and get too much work
>>6045470
Don't pls, you're so pretty, I look up to you
>>6047192
If you got stuck with wide hips, you're still stuck with them. But, if you hit the gym hard and grow some facial hair, you will inevitably be at worst a soft-featured (statistically short) man.
Testosterone doesn't pull any punches.
how do you fags feel about brianna wu
>>6047450
fugly hon as fuck
>>6043579
Depends on genetics, but I would say 21. I'm 19 and on next appointment my therapist will give me HRT, but still I'm going to do an ffs and voice surgery before srs because I think that I will look like a freak without it anyway.
Tbh, I think that most MtFs need FFS, no offence.
>>6045156
>hrt @ 18 to 21
>>facial hair removal is a must (laser, electrolysis)
this is not true, it's all genetics, i started at 21 and i have no facial hair except those hair that cis women have
these charts are dumb as fuck anyway because its just genetics all of it anyway
>>6047450
>none can describe the horror i felt
>>6047450
so fucking creepy looking
>>6043611
>>6043623
>taking HRT after age 10 and expecting to pass
not gonna happen
>>tfw /lgbt/ trolls are pushing the idea that transitioning past your early 20's will turn you in to an ugly monster.
>>tfw newcomers actually start thinking this because how toxic and pervasive those trolls are
>>tfw plenty of passable and cute trans transitioned in their late 20s/early 30s
>>tfw FFS works wonders nowadays
>>tfw even if your body isn't the best looking in the owrld, you can pass with by slimming down enough and a bit of skill dressing and a cute surgery face
>>tfw slim girls without tits can have plenty of sexual appeal if they have a cute face (which most people can attain through a few FFSs), and you can see this everyday in real life outside 4chan
>>tfw you all should wake the fuck up and stop believing whatever an anonymous person in an imageboard famous for its trolls says about your possibilities in life
>>tfw you should make some money, be brave, smart and commit to achieve happiness
Pic related, she transitioned well past her 30s, she was a professional soccer player, had to spend years burning muscle away and underwent many surgeries, but in the end she became a MILF, just in time to enjoy her late 30s and her 40s as a pretty woman.
You may have lost your 20s, but there's no reason to enjoy the rest of your fucking life. Hell if you do the right thing you can even be hot and get good sex in your 50s
>get transgender urges
>go on reddit and look at transpassing subreddit
>urges go away for a little bit
i think i can make it
>>6050348
I do that too then I go outside see a cis woman and it all comes back.
After those years I became a bitter jealous bitch.
>>6050406
that's why i do my best to not be around women
>>6050331
There's hope if you hurry and smart the fuck up, you 25+ fags
>>6050331
>Soccer player
I'm going to need a name, senpai (male name, obviously).
>>6050406
You set yourself unrealistic expectations about femininity maybe? don't hang out near the bithces baked in make up, push up bras (and any of the thousands of tricks they use daily and you ignore). that hang out around unis, discos and trendy places. Go to a more "commoner" place, like a supermarket, a factory, a hospital... places where they work and they cannot use those tricks, you'll be amazed at how normalcy looks like, and the real chances you have.
>>6050438
>don't hang around girls that actually have a social life and arent 24/7 wagecucks
>unrealistic expectations
>unrealistic
I don't think that word means what you think it means anon
>>6050414
That's quite hard to do when 50% of the world population is female.
>>6050438
I guess I should have said I haven't transitioned just like I told that anon.
Even what /soc/ considers a 5/10 female makes me jelly as fuck btw so hanging on average places won't fix it since yesterday I did go to an average place, aka grocery store and I was feeling not only shit since people looked at me (a guy) and also the fact I was literally checking every single girl and comparing them in some weird ranking way of "I like her hand I wish I had her fingers" etc.
Anyways, I'm really not sure if I should just jump the gun and do it or keep trying to fight. Been doing this shit since I was 16, another year and it will be a fucking decade.
>>6050457
when girls go out is when they are the cutest.
They do use a million tricks that us, trans, don't know because we haven't grown in their ambients and haven't received this shared knwledge they hide from boys.
There are, for example, padded panties that give you more ass and different as shapes. There are thousands of books about face shapes and how to hide or strengthen their features. There are tricks to give the 3/4 of women that DON'T have a hourglass figure a shape that resembles an hourglass.
Fuck, they even put on fake eyelashes to make their eyes look bigger. have you thought on putting FAKE HAIR IN YOUR EYES just to make people's attention go there instead to your overdeveloped chin???
A lot of things about female beauty are based on deception, attention control and many other concepts that belong more to stage magicians than to "innocent human beings who just want to have a funny night with their friends"
>>6050494
>>comparing them in some weird ranking way of "I like her hand I wish I had her fingers"
If you're even comparing your fingers, I might say that you're obsessed.
>>Been doing this shit since I was 16, another year and it will be a fucking decade.
>>a fucking decade
Yup, you're obsessed.
Look, no human being is perfect. Even the hollywood stars have flaws that are hidden under make up and photoshop. Stop punishing youserlf for what you are not, and start developing what you could become.
Hide weak spots, show strong ones.
Anyways, heterosexual men don't care much about details as long as you have big tits, are slim and your face is slightly kissable.
And for women... natal women are almost impossible to seduce by anybody's standardes (except for the top 5% alpha men, who, by definition, wouldn't be able to transition EVER due to being so masculine).
Indeed, most translesbians tend to have sex with other trnaslesbians, and trust me, as long as you have tits and a kissable face they know pretty damn well that you are on their same level, so there's no problem for them either.
So, sexually your problems aren't THAT big. And socially... who cares? for every person that looks down to you, there's another person that feels empathy and will be nice to you. You just need to find the good people and surround your life with them. Think of your looks as an "asshole filter", and let your flaws work in your favor.
You are your worst enemy, I think, sis.
>>6050517
top jej
>>6050434
She hasn't become truly passable until her last surgeries, last years of hrt (she had a lot of muslce to lose because of being a professional soccer player (and until she fucking learnt how to use make up properly).
So because I want you to see what you can do and not lose hope, I won't say a word.
But even there, I tried to find her male name, but only got her surname and the teams where she played. She has done a good job hiding her male past.
>>Would you believe me if I told you that this cute translesbian MILF in her 40s has a son who loves her?
Ingore trolls, smart the fuck up, work hard. Kisses ;)
>>6050558
I know I'm fucked up in the head. Sorry.
I just don't know what to do anymore. If give up on all this trans stuff I go crazy if I don't I'm not satisfied since I'm not good enough.
>>6043579
When you are dead
>>6050618
I just said that you'll have to spend more money on FFS.
Of course, very vert very masculine people ("Arnold Schwarzenegger in Terminator" tier) won't have much chances
But aside of that, most "guys" still have a chance if they play their cards well and spend the money.
Just don't expect to look like Sarina Valentina, you'll have to accept some flaws (but this goes to almost anybody transitioning past their teens)
Sigh... the trolls have taken the best of you...
Pîc related. Natalie Mars Started taking HRT when she was 30. Before that, she probably had some surgeries, but nothing more.
You can still see some of her "manly" facial features if you make an effort. But know what? she learnt to hide them with ther hair and make up. She brings your attention towards her eyes instead to towards her chin. Smart girl. Also, look at the camera angle in relation to the face angle: she is posing.
Sure she might have "bad angles", and with a short hair she would look like a "feminine guy", but still, ain't she cute? Well, you just learnt a trick or two.
SMART THE FUCK UP
>>6049673
Well I'm talking about the general population not specifically you.....
>>6050591
Senpai, I don't care for her transition. I want to see what team she played for, articles written about her, player stats, etc. I normally don't care about that stuff, but seeing a trans woman repress with soccer is quite unique to me so I would like to know more about her during the repression phase.
So give me the surname, team, whatever it is you have.
>>6050665
uhh, her bottom-top angle isn't her luckiest angle tbqh funpai
>>6050890
Nickname: "Pinpón", or "pin pon" in several mexican teams. One of them being "nezas" . She features in a documentary and there are a bit of her exoeriences as a male playing soccer and hiw hard it was for her.
Nowadays she plays at an strange lgbt soccer team called "trigay" or something like that.
>>6043579
outside the womb
>>6045155
I started at 27 and did ok
>>6050665
natalie is literally a wig wearing man who started taking hormones for the money
>>6046813
it looks fine & you know it
>>6050059
no shit sitting on your ass just taking hrt and watching anime all day isn't going to work you actually have to put some effort
>>6051254
You're doing pretty good, nt sure if it's just angles and makeup but to me you do pass, I saw a girl that looked like you this morning to be more precise, she was a mexican girl at the taco shop.
Are you latina?
>>6051319
Thank you. I honestly think it is nice, however I am getting some negative feedback that I don't pass as well, and my face looks way more masculine.
I knew I was cute before, but I am honestly feeling self conscious.
Thanks a ton
>>6051254
Unbelievable, you look great starting at that age! What did you look like before?
>>6050331
>He actually considers that to be an example of a "good" transition.
Fucking hons.
>>6047038
Nigga, he's the final boss.
>>6051261
She's really kinky but having spoken to her quite a few times myself I think you're full of shit. Not about the fact that she wears a wig, but that she's somehow less of a woman because of it.
>>6043579
when you're in hospice care
Who gives a shit? Even if you're ugly, would you rather be an ugly man or an ugly woman?
>>6053179
A troll trolling, dismissing a more than acceptable pic of a 45 year old woman.
Not everybody is Sarina Valentina, and not being a supermodel-tier girl doesn't turn you into a hon.
Shit, you may even consider Andreja Pejic a hon.
People like you is a serious problem of this board. So, please, go back to your fap folder so you can keep alive your prejudices.
>>6043579
When you have already become a dudebro that spends free time gaming instead of socializing.
>>6054277
but everyone you just named are hons they look nothing like my anime
>>6050665
>all that sun damage
>30
Damn, no longer jealous of her
>>6047450
holy shit. Just awful. I love our tranny ambassadors
>>6050331
Bretty good. I feel her hairline is still a bit of an issue. I mean she definitely passes now. Just as a masculine leaning woman. Not bad considering he started with a manchin and manly nose and heavy looking forehead
>>6050418
Ok desu looks much worse in this pic. I guess she passes but she definitely has a tranny face
>>6043579
Never too late. Don't let douchebags get you down.
>>6050591
>translesbian
>old transitioner with kids probably ruined his wifes life
not surprising
>>6051261
Is she bald lol?
>>6046206
Always makes me cringe.
>>6043623
I passed and I started right as I turned 19, but I was a twink. I guess I was able to skim right under the bar.
>>6055780
No you don't pass Moap. You just look like a nerdy boy with long hair
Why does LITERALLY FUCKING EVERYONE wear Artorias' armor in the Kiln? I think the only person I've seen that wasn't wearing it had Smough's armor who made a sumo ring out of prism stones and was doing fistfights.
>>6060170
They all just happen to use the darksword too huh
>>6060170
I don't anon. I've never liked Artorias' set. I always use Elite Knight Set. In the entire trilogy. In Bloodborne, I actually semi-remade the Elite Knight set
>>6047425
That's good, I hope even with these hips if I have some facial hair I would pass. I don't want to be a girl or have people think of me as one, so passing is important to me.
>>6060170
Undead Legion armor or GTFO
>>6062764
I know how important passing is - who wants the fucking exhaustion of his or her every action being seen in the lens of transgender issues? Passing makes it possible to be trans without trans being the prefix to everything you are. A politically active, openly trans, passing trans person's life is not necessarily a political conflict. Every last unpassing trans person's is. It's sad and hurtful, but there it is.
Best of luck, bro.
>>6056218
Damn that's harsh. She looks pretty cute from her pics.
>>6043661
tfw you fucking swear and that's not possible. Pics or gtfo
